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These two have made disney almost 4 billion dollars

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celebrate good times cum on

>>81512822
Officially licensed Zootopia butt plugs!

>>81513286
the peanutbutter elemental wouldnt eat so well if z2 is anything to go by

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>>81513469

>You really need to find something else to be your personality man.

I mean, I have other things to do to, i program, I draw, I write etc, its just that this is a Zootopia thread, and this is the topic that currenlty about Zootopia/Zootopia2 bothers me.

many hoped Zootopia2 to confirm the ship. Even if not making them an official couple, make the feelings official, without either of them confessing it to the other. Yeah there are a lot of looks and hints, but the problem with being "subtle" is that it basically saying "we are afraid of committing to this route."

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gerardson draw judeon and my life is yours!

>>81513773
only active porn artist is drawing cuck porn of Judy cheating on Nick for the past 3 years, you got nothing to complain about

>>81513632
I feel like the people hoping would confirm something that hadn't even really started was silly. In 1 they went from hunting for a husband to fighting drug dealing pseudo-assassins. Nick and Judy became friends but that's all. In 2 there's a lot more going on in regards to their actual relationship meaning 3 would be the likely candidate to pair them as a couple. If they don't in 3 after how 2 played out then I'd say it's unlikely we'll get anything concrete about their relationship ever.

I think a lot of people took the years of fan works and porn as some kind of soft canon where they expected more from 2 than was possible. The viewers need to see them falling in love if that's where they want to take it, and we potentially didin 2. Why didn't they kiss you ask? If Judy just felt feelings for Nick on the weather wall she may not want to act on them. Nick even telling Judy all that he did is a big deal for him as is. Pushing a kiss may be too much. Not wanting to rush things, etc.

All this to say I think 3 will be the definitive answer. If they become a couple, explain they're just friends, or left ambiguous. Though ambiguous is basically a we'll never answer so you can take that as a no/friends.

It's a wait until 3 deal now. Unless they make a D+ series all about Nick and Judy where they answer it, but that's likely being left for the films.

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What a 10 years of all time its been, I hope you guys have a nice anniversary.

>>81513632
you've been talking about it for like two months man
what's your goal here

garardson I would love daddy Gideon to shear Sharla the sheeparino

>>81514274
nta but im also not really enjoying that shit
maybe going agaisnt the grain here but id also rather not hear about zootopia at all.

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>>81514274
idk man

someone telling me that I missed some detail in the movie, that shows its more than just "soulmatism"

pull my attention to some hidden interview where Byron reveals they aimed to portray them starting to fall in love, but neither of them know it yet, or something instead of this "oh it landed more on friendship/soulmates" territory.

I want some reason to love Z2 and have hope for Z3.
I want some reason to start drawing wildehopps fanart again.
I want some reason to start reading fanfics again.

I loved Zootopia for 10 years and I don't want Z2's inability to give a clear answer be the reason I drop out of it.

>>81514053
>I feel like the people hoping would confirm something that hadn't even really started was silly.
it was silly for the directors, Byron and Rich to say it started in Z1 then, because they already said its ambiguous even from the "you know you love me" line.
They said that "if we ever make a sequel its something we have to address".

I mean you can say they only became "friends" at the end of Z1, but that's not how it felt and not what people working on the movie said. They all already said they are soulmates, that they both would put the other first.

been thinking about al's buttcheeks

>>81514274
>>81514583
you attributing all of the wildehopps doomerings to me alone, but I have seen plently of posts talking about it that I'm pretty sure didn't post, unless I have multiple personality disorder or alzheimers.

Also what else you wanna talk about?

worldbuilding? They decided to go full cartoon-world, with a mammal and reptile continent despite that it makes no biological and historical sense.
A tribal crocodile and a tribal otter would quicker become allies and form a joined River tribe than an otter and a lion would make a mammal nation.

>>81514274
venting is natural part of a healing progress.

bottling up the negative emotions is not good. At least hearing from other fellow fans what they didn't like about the movie can help make us feel less like we are just hating without a reason, and actually confront it instead.

I can accept the Z2 has more flaws than Z1, and still love it.

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While you were arguing I had gay sex with everyone here

>>81515410
classic pawbert

>>81514745
i don't stop thinkin about them buttcheeks

>>81515410
It was the hardest that I ever came. 10/10 would recommend that butt.

>>81514779
if im an otter and im racist im sticking with warmbloods

>>81514965
venting for two months isn't healthy

>>81514583
>maybe going agaisnt the grain here but id also rather not hear about zootopia at all.
That is probably going to be an irresolvable problem for you in this, the Zootopia General thread.

>>81516180
boy you are not ready of me advocating for it that they are canon and they just pre-heated WildeHopps for Z3 for the next... 5-6 years however long it takes for Z3 to come out.

I have been at the wildehopps train for 10 years, im not about to stop.

>>81516180
its mostly due to interviews constantly reopening and healing the wound.

i would've settled down on "I am okay to wait for Z3 for wildehopps, it makes no sense not to do it after this extensive hinting at it with the imagery" a month ago, but there is a constant back and forth of interviews underplaying the chemistry with "it landed on friendship", then one giving too much hope, like Jared replying to a reported telling him that Judy and Nick needs to kiss with "you gonna have to wait for number 3 for that", then againt despairing because that female producer seems to be against the ship and just praising Judy and Nick as friends.

I can't calm down when the directors and voice actors intentionally rollercoaster with my emotions.

>>81516653
calling your ship not being confirmed in a movie "a wound" is a really bad sign too

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>>81516782
if they didn't want to inflict a wound, they shouldn't have gotten peoples hopes up by promoting the movie with a bunch of rom-com type tropes and imagery, and then not have the movie an actual romantic payoff to the romantic tension it presented.

fuck, even Jason Bateman and Ginnifer Goodwin called the movie a romantic comedy its so palpable. Only the directors are not willing to be open about it

>>81516996
it's a movie from a giant corporation
i'm not even going to say "it's a children's cartoon", because while it is, you shouldn't be personally upset about any media like this. you're not a 16 year old girl arguing with your friends about shipping online. if you got this mad about The Wire or Breaking Bad it'd still be a bad sign.

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These two really need to make kits together

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>>81516996

>>81517086
listen, everyone needs some sort of escapism.
I don't see shipping, fanfic writing, engaging in a fandom and less of an unhealthy ADHD shit than when boomers are hyperfixated on knowing 4000 car models by the sound of the engine, or build giant lego diaromas the size of a football field.

what do you want me to be obsessed that you wouldn't label as a bad-sign?
Warhammer 40k? World Of Warcraft? Model trains? American Football?

I should be one of those people that beats up strangers that rooted for the other team when the other team wins?

>>81517224
They literally can't and any interspecies reproduction would be world breaking so they better fucking not

If they're gonna make them be together I feel like adoption would be more their style, maybe a fox and rabbit one each who are orphaned

>>81516996
>>81516653
Dude 2 is more pro WildeHopps than 1 was. I want them to be a couple and am hopeful for 3. That's more than enough to make me happy. We're trying to tell you that what you want could literally be coming and that they're going for a slow burn. Just relax and enjoy that 2 had them tell each other how insanely important the other is, and that Judy kept listening to the pen like a teenager listening to voicemail from her crush.

It honestly comes off more as shitposty, trying to either start arguments from platonic fans, or to annoy those that took Z2 as a huge plus for their chances. If you're generally being honest then just take what I'm saying to heart. Their chances of becoming a couple are higher than they were after 1, and that nothing says they'll never be a couple. Chill out, take a deep breath, and just enjoy what 2 gave us.

>>81517457
Adoption would be best I think. I can't tell if I'd want them to adopt a cute fox or rabbit, or something out of left field like a lion. Nick and Judy don't really stick to norms. Though I could see Nick seeing an unwanted fox kit and feeling a deep need to give them a good home.

>>81517424
>what do you want me to be obsessed that you wouldn't label as a bad-sign?
>Warhammer 40k? World Of Warcraft? Model trains? American Football?
if any of those things made you vent for two months straight because the big company behind them wasn't making the romance you wanted canon then yeah i'd say those are bad too

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>>81517457
Even if they could it would probbly be "offspring is the species of the mother" type stuff

>>81517691
>wasn't making the romance you wanted canon
Which is funny because they may be doing just that, but not instantly. I'm trying to tell him what he wants could be coming. Unless he has a terminal illness and knows he won't get to see them potentially become a couple, there's nothing to be upset about.

>>81517505
>If you're generally being honest then just take what I'm saying to heart.
I do, thanks. I have been trying to keep those things in mind, i think I'm just traumatized to expect the worst outcome from franchises I loved, that I don't even want to name, but from Star Wars to Game of Thrones just imagine all the franchises that most of the fandom agreed that just shitted the bed at the end, leaving majority of the fanbase unsatisfied.

I want to trust Byron and Jared to finally give me 1 franchise I can love from the beginning to the end, its just hard to remain hopeful. But I try. Thanks for taking my anxiety seriously

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>>81517424
>>what do you want me to be obsessed that you wouldn't label as a bad-sign?
>Warhammer 40k? World Of Warcraft? Model trains? American Football?
model trains is better because at least it's not about paying some shit children's company anything.
american handegg is embarrassing but im not going to knock on people who are enjoying other sports.
>>81517595
if we're going with the Brave And Daring approach it would be a kangaroo joey definitely like weaver au

>>81517886
A lot of franchises I loved either died or went to shit too, but they're much older than Zootopia. Since Zoot is still being handled by the same people I'm not concerned. If they never do make them a couple I'm honestly glad they got me to care enough about them to want it that badly. So either way I'm content, though I do hope for my preferred outcome. I deal with anxiety too so I get it, but mine is more focused on more tangible things. No use being worked about something that could be happening.

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>>81517889
That's fucking adorable. Weaver is a gem and enigma. He doesn't want them to be a couple, but he also loves drawing them as a couple. It makes me happy sure, but it's odd. I hope Weavers doing well.

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>>81517457
>world breaking
But I have previously met with people who are kids of asian and latino parents?

>>81518178
We haven't seen hybrids in the movies so it's unlikely that's possible. The idea that the babies could be just based on the mother or father could work. However I think the point people make, or mean to make, is that Zootopia tends to lean into the biology/psychology of the animals in world building. And different species can't mate, generally. It's a fantasy world so you can argue it shouldn't matter, but I think it does with Zootopia for how important the animal differences are to the setting. It would also give the grandmas plea to Judy for kits meaning to exist outside of just haha grandma who has hundreds of grandkids still wants some from Judy. If she falls in love with Nick and can't give grandma grandkits, is she letting them down? Does it matter if she's happy? That sorta thing makes the interspecies relationship interesting and on point with Zootopia's message. Be happy together and follow your dreams. If Judys dream is Nick it doesn't matter what her grandma wants, and that's ok.

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>>81518385
Hmm... good points. I still do think that people who are kids of asians and latinos do legit exist, but I will try to keep an open mind if they are scheming something.

>>81512822
Nick's shopping list

>>81513579
She's so damn naive and cute. Has this artist ever drawn them being intimate?

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>>81518778
yes, but most of it is zootopia 1 judy and nick
https://e621.net/posts?tags=ahiru621

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>>81518385
One Anon said it best:

The best way to deal with this topic is to give them a fox kit or an orange bunny and never address if they're adopted or birthed, just leave it to the viewers interpretation.

>>81518856
That's fine by me. Thanks!

>>81518884
That's fine too. I know there are naturally grey foxes, but are there orange rabbits?

>>81518856
The one where it's just their feet while showering is really good. Nothing dirty shown, very romantic.

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>>81516996
>taking the status of two fictional characters too serious

>>81518921
A quick google search seems to suggest that ginger wild rabbits do exist but are quite rare.

>>81520873
Bro got his shit kicked in

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I love Al's dad's yee yee ass haircut. And his huge build. He must feel so good to cuddle in the middle of the night

>>81521010
>i love al dad haircut
i dont
maybe its because it reminds me of maxine's and all i can think is how he must be a dweeb too

>>81521010
It looks girly. I bet he likes getting fucked like a girl too.

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>>81521179
I bet he's not like his son and he'd just beat the shit outta anyone who openly disrespected him. Remmy's lucky Al is a domesticated pupperino cuz shit woulda gotten ugly

>>81521445
It's not disrespect if he's kinda into it.

Marty rape correction

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What should Nibbles role be in Z3?

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>>81519227
you haven't even seen my final form yet

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>>81523751
maybe unpopular opinion: nothing.

It really just felt like her and Gary took the roles Clawhauser and Finnick originally suppose to have as the "gang"

I do like the police uniform though, if Judy and Nick do get a 3rd partner to patrol with, I hope we at least see them in uniforms again.

>>81524431
damn you're so cool bro

I think Z2 got Judy and Nick mostly right... I still think there are some small details that I wish would've been kept.

Like During Nick's first day as a cop in Z1, Judy giggled on his "greetings card" joke.
It was cute little thing to show that she LIKES his personality, and got attached to his jokes.

I don't think I've seen Judy positevly react to any of Nick's jokes. It was a bit irksome how stiff and one-tone they made her character. In Z1 she cared about being a cop, but she also had other aspects of her personality, the way she cared about people, like, how their distress made her worry and emphasize with them. Given her feeling bad for Gary is part of that too.

>>81526130
Maybe Judy doesn't like Nick's joke or his personality and she cares about being a cop, unlike him who is just coasting off her diligence.

remember when people were losing their shit at judy punching nick in the stomach

>>81522097
Ah, I see. He's a bigger Al, but he's spiritually like Betty

>>81523121
Marty would probably be more himself (and therefore less corrected) if you did anything pervy to him. Marty is for being blue balled more than even Remmy

>>81527094
His tits are bigger than hers too.

>>81527109
now lets not get carried away

>>81527166
Let me feel his and hers just to be sure.

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>>81527043
Good times.

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>>81527625
im not even sure this is real of parody anymore

>>81512783
What is it about this tiny, middling franchise that it inspired such rabid devotion?

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>>81529616
>rabid
>most of the posts are meaningless statements/questions to just keep the general from sliding from page 10 to 11.

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>>81524431
You missed the best part (Pic)

>>81514965
Hey another nice anon, I approve this message.

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What is YOUR (yes, you) favorite Zootopia fan comic?

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>>81530870
JiD obviously. Not much that really comes close.

Theres a lot more competition in the fanfic domain.

>>81530870
I Will Survive

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>>81530870
Hm...There are many, but I think Eric Schwarz made some of the best short comics of the fandom, beside Weavers stuff, his newest "Judy punches Nick" comic is pure 10/10 too.

I do wonder if someone has any of my comics as their favorite.

>>81531105
only cause judy looked hot

>>81531253
Honestly, I think some other CCs including spin makes her sexier. I always figured IWS Judy was just wearing tight clothes and that's it.

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Bogo my muscular beloved

>>81531989
why's he scaly though

>>81532190
i think its a reference to the movie "the shape of water" where a woman falls in love with a water-monster

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>>81531229
>I do wonder if someone has any of my comics as their favorite.
That depends on who you are, and which comics you've drawn...

>>81533269
Hope Eric does some more of these two now that a sequel came out.

So genuine question:

Would you all take it as a win if in the third movie both Nick and Judy are still on the force, but separated as partners, but WildeHopps was full on confirmed? Like, they get separated because it's workplace fraternization or something but they get to go home to each other every day.

Would that be acceptable enough of an ending for some of you, or would it be too disappointing to be counted as a victory?

>>81535162
I mean...I don't even know why that would be a thing.

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>>81530870
Probably that short one by Rick Griffin. It's really sweet and I like the references
Also, fuck me, his art style really worked for zootopia content. I wish he had done more than those 7 instances of Nick and Judy

>>81535251
the reason would be because a romantic partnership is forbidden between partners in this precinct

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>>81535162
im considering a victory no multiverse or timetravel, given that we can have chimeras and dragons and whatnot sooner than later

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>>81535334
Yeah but, what's the point narratively? What does it add?

>>81535360
I figured less people were mad about the whole reptiles thing after seeing theb sequel and thinking it was good. Didn't think there were still people with misgivings about it

>>81535764
The "the snake was a bad idea" poster sure was quiet after release

>>81535758
Mostly for Nick to still feel like he has a pack, both with Judy and with a new partner on the force. As it is he may be emotionally codependent on her, and I think Judy may be as well but more subtly. Giving them different partners while confirming their love for one another would be good for them. You shouldn't be around your spouse all the time, no matter how much you love them. I think Nibbles was a good step towards that narrative direction. He had a friend who he played off of while also admitting to vulnerability to someone who wasn't Judy

>>81535758
Two things: the first being that it's a continuation of the main personal issues the two have in the second movie. They spend the entire time wanting to show they're effective partners, having the next part showing them dealing with not being able to work together directly could be, at the very least, very interesting. Though in my idea of the sequence, them being split up would actually happen at the end because...
Point the second: Both characters, again, with their personal issues depend on each other socially too much. Having a best friend/soulmate/heterosexual life partner is great, but only seeing and speaking and interacting with one person is not healthy. Both characters should have friendships outside of each other. Especially Nick, who exhibits a lot of negative traits that people who go prolonged periods without any personal relationships have.

Basically, my idea for it is that Nick and Judy end up doing the whole hiding a relationship to not be split up at work thing, and over the course of the movie, realize that they can work with other people, and do different things (perhaps leading to each of them having a different career path in the police. Nick becomes a detective, while Judy sticks to be a patrol officer, sort of thing.) In the end they realize that it's okay to not be partners at work, because now they're partners in life in general.

>>81516996
America, some of it, still has a thing about so-called 'miscegenation'. As pathetic as that sounds that more than likely influenced decisions.

>>81535764
being honest, having misgivings probably is the wrong word since im mostly japing since i doubt disney will actually add a long to the setting for cny. im here mostly to keep this from hitting the ugly 404.
that being said, i definitely think less people care to post it since the thread is struggling hard without them voicing it already, pretty pointless to say "i dont like this" when there is barely anyone here despite this movie being the most loved disney movie ever made
i personally hoped you guys would pick the slack but you guys are the ones who seem to not like this at all, art about the literal who badger and goat man and no reptile OC, no frilled dragon girl and armored reptile girl? legit 0 (zero) (nada) mommy rainbow boa? CAIMON? HELLO?

>>81535990
I mean, none of this has any definitive psychological backing, not to mention it doesn't necessarily need to. They can have friends and tag along with each other. Actual healthy relationships can have side friendships, but it's very important that the two people in question stay together the majority of the time. This is why most military and law enforcement relationships fail, people spend too much time away from one another. I always got the impression that they had friends, but each other were the most important ones in their lives, which makes people want to spend the majority of their time together, even if they go out with other people.

>>81535813
Nibbles is literally polygamy coded, the antithesis of a stable relationship lol.

I'm gonna be honest, for once in a long fucking time, I just want a story about two people that already like each other figure out how to truly profess their feelings and get together. It doesn't need to be hyper complicated, themes were already there in Z2. I'm gonna go full fuckin conservative and just say Nick's arc should be learning how to be a man lol, becomes more competent, stops being a neurotic jokeman who hides behind his trauma, starts getting aggressive, stops shying away from danger, that sorta thing. Fully admit I'm oversaturated with kickass girl / tagalong guy tropes at this point, Bad Guys does it, Zootopia does it, everything does it. Judy had her success story in the first one, it was half and half in Z2, Z3 should be Nick's success story, along with fully solidifying a romantic relationship.

>>81535162
They would be partners on duty and off regardless of the "rules." They've broken so many rules already, do you really think they'll stay apart on duty because Chief Beef says so? Rules are for others, not the ZPD's two-time city savers.

>>81536327
I think Nick manned up a lot in 2 while still having his issues. He put himself in danger a lot to save Judy. So I don't feel he has to do more of that. Also I don't feel Nick is exactly codependent on Judy. To me it comes off like he's in love with her and it scares him in several ways. So he's protective and relies on her more than normal because he wants to be close. When they fully commit to one another I think Nick would loosen up and feel free of his concerns.

I agree though that I do want these to together romantically because it'd be nice that two characters find their love for each other over time. Friends can become the best romantic relationships and Disney usually goes with meet once and be smitten and together by one movies end.

>>81536474
I feel like it would be more definitive than that considering one of Judy's biggest fears was being separated from Nick

>>81535990
>Especially Nick
He's often depicted in fan works as still being friends with Finnick. He and Flash were in high school together. He can get to know Gary better. I think he'd also get along with Joel the deer, who acknowledged Nick outside the therapy session because they had the same drink.

>>81536075
Disney really shouldn't care about those who think different races mixing is bad when deciding what to do with Nick and Judy. They likely boycott Disney anyway.

>>81536618
I want a Karen and Joel Z+ episode.

>>81536524
>I think Nick manned up a lot in 2 while still having his issues
The only thing he did of any real note was saving Judy in the tunnel. Everything heroic he did was this frantic desperation in the heat of the moment, not an actual heroic act. He's always doing everything he can to specific steer away from danger.

>>81536075
Literally a made up issue because you don't have reality in your brain.

>>81536676
He put up his fists against animals 10 times his size, climbed a cliff he seemed terrified of, went into the reptiles den despite his aversions. It wasn't all just spur of the moment stuff. He sacrificed himself to ensure Gary got the pen for Judy. He did plenty of heroic stuff. Taking action in the heat of the moment doesn't make it less meaningful or less manly.

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>>81536075
>miscegenation
Yes, Disney would never mix different races or species

>>81536778
>He put up his fists against animals 10 times his size
He stood there with a resigned expression knowing how it was going to go down.

>climbed a cliff he seemed terrified of
Again, girl stronk, guy barely hanging on as his knees shake

>went into the reptiles den despite his aversions
Same thing.

He's always just barely hanging on, going along with whatever Judy wants, never leading, always following. This is not manly behavior.

>>81536803
Lol, right? That guy's a bonified retard. God damn Pocahontas did that shit back in the 90s, granted based on another story but still, they even tried to dress it up like a good thing when it was kinda dubious whether or not it was chill in real life.

>>81536984
I just don't see Judys actions as grrrlpowa like you say. She's always been a character who acts first. Has nothing to do with her vagina. I don't know what kind of manly behavior you want from Nick that wouldn't just turn him into not-Nick.

>>81536327
>Slaps Judy's ass
>Bitch get me a sandwich and stop caring about these “reptilays“. They're dirty, evil, and rape babies!
>... Nick, are you feeling ok?
>Did you FUCKING talk back to me?! You'll be my baby oven and shut your mouth! Gobbless Zootopia!
>I'm gonna call the medic over...
>Tell her she shoulda stayed in the damned kitchen too! Fucking women. Time to go shoot at some Skunks hehehe.

>>81537072
I mean, that could be her arc, they did show her impulsivity as a negative, but there was never a true learning moment. There was a moment that COULDA been construed as a learning moment, just wasn't really shown on screen. I'm not saying Judy is perfect, I'm just saying I'm fucking sick of the strong girl / weak tagalong guy trope in everything.

>I don't know what kind of manly behavior you want from Nick that wouldn't just turn him into not-Nick.
Precisely, this is called a character arc. They change and grow, they aren't the same character.

>>81537142
Hell yeah, 10/10

>>81536984
I mean he is literally just existing for Judy so you can't expect the same motivation as when he is escaping the prison to be close to her. He can just phone it in otherwise, because he doesn't really care to make the world a better place or being a cop.

>>81537183
I just don't see Nick as weak in 2. He had very strong convictions and was right in several ways.

>>81537276
He has a strong follower mentality, to Judy. Simp mentality if you will. You might not see it...but then...

>>81537212
Yeah, this guy gets it. Undesirable male traits.

>>81537359
We'll agree to disagree. She pulled him away from a shitty life so yeah he's attached to her. I'd say in love even. But he's trying to stop all her boneheaded antics, not just tag along.

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>>81533323
I hope Eric is still alive...

>>81537467
Interesting filename, but yes he still alive.

>>81537421
>But he's trying to stop all her boneheaded antics, not just tag along
>followers her while she does stupid things
>tags along with her if you will
>has no self respect despite being disregarded repeatedly
I mean, YOU can choose to disagree with what's accurate if ya want.

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>>81537276
If anything he was strong, while Judy was desperately trying to keep them together and get a big breakthrough case to justify it and obsessing over partner stuff, he just didn't care about what was going in the (extremely corrupt and incompetent, mind you) police precinct, the case or even himself.
Even him saving her is things with her not things with the case or the city. He knows what he wants and he knows what he wants to do to get it.
>>81537359
>Undesirable
Mostly because he is a loser that plays video games and eats pizza at home alone and lets laundry pile up, not him not doing anything but save Judy. If anything, it shows a specific egoism and focus required to pursue what he wants in life rather than be bogged down by noise and details.
But that hardly matters because it's a railroaded movie where Judy and Nick never interact with advances from different people in any relevant manner.

>>81537467
He shoulda punched her for saying it smelled nice.

>>81537530
You're right man I concede. I hope Nick slaps her around in 3. Thanks for helping me see the light.

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>Fox show up at work with carrot shampoo smell
>Sheep show up smelling like vanilla
>Rabbit with blueberry cologne
>Mongoose smelling like acorns

>>81537578
I mean, good point to bring up his loser lifestyle as well, but again, he's a loser and a simp, everything he does a tagalong mode.

>>81537599
Whatever hyperbole you need to use to cope with being wrong is fine by me!

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>>81537599
It don't matter. Being a loser, simp, tagalong, etc. What you fail to get is that allat is stuff you get pressed about and he just lets wash over him, he's been a scum fox his whole life, called worse, treated worse, beaten and extensively prolapsed by life. And he still kept going regardless.
Now he has something he cares in the endless sea of shit he doesn't and that he refuses to let the world take from him.

It doesn't matter if he doesn't have a segment where he performs a Patrick Bateman routine, be stacked with a police job, fuck bitches and then proceeds to diplomatically settle his issues with office politics in a mature manner that shows his firmness as a male figure but also prioritizes kindness, humanity and propriety as was dictated by the Bible. But all that shit doesn't matter, because he just want to pork the rabbit.

>>81537817
>>81538005
And yet Nick is happy, and you're arguing he's not manly enough. He doesn't care because he has what he wants in life.

>>81538111
Yes, thank you, glad you read my post.

What if Disney decide to make series or movie about Nick and Judy but without zootopia and they call it Wilde&Hopps

>>81538126
Sorry was meant for the other anon. No idea why I tagged you.

>>81538111
Brother, it's a movie character, Nick is whatever the leads say he is. I was stating what I wanted to see, not what contrived thing they pushed as propaganda. If you want Nick to be nothing more than the tagalong simp who makes jokes, complains, cowers and does everything just because his crush is doing it, have at it.

I'm not a 13 year old girl / 30 year old tranny though, I prefer characters that learn and grown, become a little more depthful, change and improve, etc.

>>81538138
That could be a PLATINUM opportunity for worldbuilding

>>81538138
Sounds like it would be really bad honestly.

>>81538181
I mean that's not what happened but believe what you want. I saw a guy who cared about something for the first time in forever and did everything to help them in their goal and protect them. I consider that the epitome of manhood.

>>81530870
Uuuuuuuhhhhhh zistopia

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>>81538181
>I'm not a 13 year old girl / 30 year old tranny though, I prefer characters that learn and grown, become a little more depthful, change and improve, etc.
That's literally what Zootopia is about for him, though. Moving away from childish stunted cynicism, now opening himself to someone else to be able to be honest, hurt and vulnerable, because once again, stunted child view of the world from trauma.
It's not going to be done like zero to hero because this is actively trying to be slow.

>>81538181
>contrived thing they pushed as propaganda
What evil propaganda was that? Don't treat people like shit?

>>81538315
>I consider that the epitome of manhood
HAHAHA, okay, well, like I said, I'm not a 13 year old girl or a 30 year old tranny so my perspective is very different. By the way, it's psychologically proven that males who do that are undesirable to females.

>>81538373
Yeah, but over the course of three movies you can show considerable improvement. I mean look what fuckin Frodo did over 3 movies lol, granted, totally different context, but realistically speaking you have plenty of time to show true growth and end with Nick in a position where he is no longer bogged down by his trauma that requires him to drag his feet while following his love interest.

>>81538375
I mean I directly alluded to it in the post, you're not going to actually be happy by desperately following your love interest around while having almost no redeeming qualities yourself.

>>81538496
>13 year old girl
You sure? Cause you kinda sound like a bitch.

>>81538496
>second time undesirable is brought up
Uh oh.

Frodo gets a ton complaints of being a worthless mongrel as well, it is a great example but I'm not sure you meant that way, considering it is not romanticizing it as it is a very real side effect of sending people to war and how it fucks them over rather than a "he manned up for his adventure". No san shi er li here, Frodo go to the undying lands of Valinor, do not pass do not collect $200.
>love interest
Judy is the protagonist, not a love interest. Nick is the love interest with a big maybe.

>>81538598
Dango you got me man, way to beat the argument!

>>81538646
>second time undesirable is brought up
Oh, were you programmed to respond to certain words with certainty? Uh oh!

>make a point about showing character change and growth by citing a character that changes and grows
>HURR ITS A BAD ANALOGY BECAUSE HE DOESN'T CHANGE AND GROW THE WAY YOOOU THINK NICK SHOULD
What even lol? How did you think this was a good rebuttal in any way?

>Judy is the protagonist, not a love interest. Nick is the love interest with a big maybe.
Legitimately nothing to do with any of the points either of us were making, interesting tangent, I won't follow you down it, actually I'll just bring you back to where we left off so you can have a do-over.

>you're not going to actually be happy by desperately following your love interest around while having almost no redeeming qualities yourself.
That was the answer to the question you asked, I think it was you anyway, let's start over from there.

>>81538496
Nick is suave, witty, loyal, determined, what qualities do you want to see in him? Shoot people in the face for disagreeing?

>>81538696
He has plenty of redeeming qualities. All because you think he doesn't means nothing.

>>81538719
>here's what I think he is
>HERE'S A BUNCH OF OVER THE TOP HYPERBOLE THAT I THINK YOU WANT HIM TO BE DESPITE NEVER MAKING MENTION OF IT EVER
Why do people do this lol?

I mean, to your first point, I'll agree with a couple things, sorta agree and sorta disagree with others. Nick is suave, he's witty, that's established in Z1, nothing wrong there, and him using that to distance himself from people and grift em, great, I love it, it's a good STARTING point for an interesting character to be developed from.

Nick is loyal? Sorta, he's really only loyal to Judy, so much so that he follows along with plans he seriously disagrees with, hence my whole argument he's simpin. His principles seem to literally just be "I don't want you to get hurt, but fuck the city, fuck our reputation, who cares who's in charge, who cares what's right or wrong, I just want you to be safe because I'm selfish and have no sense of honor and you're only person I've been close to in forever, so I'm honestly kinda a bad fucking person." And again, that's FINE, if you actually, through a character arc, turn him into a good person.

>determined
Lol, did you watch Z2? You know, ironically I'd agree with you more if he kept some of his mentality in the first movie, actually standing up for Judy when she was getting the Bogo treatment.

>Shoot people in the face for disagreeing?
And here we are, the caricature. Not advocating for that, what I am advocating is for Nick to take the lead once or twice, lead a hustle again, sting someone, get motivated to right some wrongs and not just because Judy wants to do it, because he actually becomes honorable. I honestly thought that it would have been perfect if Nick fought Pawbert and won, no draw, just a vicky for Nicky, showed he didn't need to be saved, maybe add in some more anger over possibly losing Judy, some more emotion than just panic again for the 15th fuckin time. Like god damn let the guy have some range lol.

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>>81538696
>Oh, were you programmed to respond to certain words with certainty? Uh oh!
An interesting obsession.

>hurr its
Intractable. The point is that Frodo was concussed into a spurt of maturity, he's more broken than Nick is. Why do you think Frodo cannot return to the Shire. Did you think that bringing a character based on a man being sent to war young a good example of maturity? Send them to Vietnam and they will come a fixed man.
>Main Character
It has everything to do, this is not Nick's story, Nick is being evolved, but asking for his own plot is fruitless. As you put so well, "Nick is whatever the lead say he is". And he is a side character for Judy. Sam, Sancho Panza, Watson.

He decides his own happiness. Fortunately, for all other shortcomings he has, he has gone from aimless scoundrel to someone with enough will to decide his own direction now rather than have it directed by others for him. No redeeming qualities but directly involved in solving two of the biggest Zootopia cases and in the only place in the city he wants to be.

I thought it was honestly silly to have the scene with Nick and Olaf Beaver having such a close heart to heart when she's a gag character, but I can see why the writers deemed it required enough for us to have a moment where the character is loudly stating his thoughts both then and during the honeymoon lodge and confession scene.

>>81539025
He took the lead and stole the bears necklace getting them further into the gala. He took the lead and hit Gary with a frying pan. He smashed Judy's phone without a second thought. When he got out of prison he called Clawhauser to find where they had to go and got Flash to take them there. He took on Pawbert alone. What more take charge stuff are you demanding exactly? And yeah he was determined. He loves Judy and doesn't want her to die. You may not like it, but it's determination. Also he was determined enough to pass police training.

>you people
What people, exactly?

>>81539117
I feel the heart to heart with Nick was more to show he is opening up a bit more. He's worried about Judy and scared for her life, so he's opening up to someone that helped them recently. That's why he says I'm glad you're here before Flash takes off. He was grateful she listened and is glad to have someone there for help. Which is more growth for him because he's been solitary his whole life.

>>81539117
>anything to do with Frodo
You're still literally missing the point, I'm saying in 3 movies you can absolutely show significant change in a character.

>this is not Nick's story
Oh, guess that means we can make him shallow and one dimensional despite having almost exactly the amount of screentime as Judy, being on the promotional material along with Judy, being hugged by Judy, same size and center frame with Judy, but uh, not the main character, doesn't need an arc?

Lazy, that's what that's called. If you were a writer, you'd be called a lazy writer.

>Nick is whatever the lead say he is
>He decides his own happiness
Uhh...do you even think before you write or...oh, RIIIGHT, I forgot, laaazy writer.

>he has gone from aimless scoundrel to someone with enough will to decide his own direction now rather than have it directed by others for him
Wow, just like Hitler! What a fun likeable character who has no more room for character development!

>I thought it was honestly silly to have the scene with Nick and Olaf Beaver having such a close heart to heart when she's a gag character
I legit got weird vibes from her, some kinda straight up forced third wheel who has all the solutions like a magical wooden key and quippy dialogue and good advice. Like, not awful, but definitely coulda been done better.

>He took the lead and stole the bears necklace getting them further into the gala
That was good, I liked that!

>He took the lead and hit Gary with a frying pan
Specifically out of fear for Judy.

>When he got out of prison he called Clawhauser to find where they had to go
Damn, jumping way ahead lol. Watch the scene again, "THEY'RE GOING TO PUT -HER- TO SLEEEP" Judycentric again

>He took on Pawbert alone
Literally no other choice, spent the fight on his back, panicking and struggling helplessly RIGHT UP until the point he realizes he might be able to save Judy.

Sure, he's determined alright, determined to be a simp.

>What people, exactly?
Lol, read it again.

>>81539280
Half of this was obviously meant for >>81539198

>He took the lead and stole the bears necklace getting them further into the gala
That was good, I liked that!

Starts at that part.

>>81539385
So if you try to help your wife or kid, you're not taking the lead, you're a simp? You're making no sense, man. His motivation in the first movie was money. Be it making it or not owing the government a shit ton. His motivation being someone he loves is a much better bit of growth in my eyes.

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>>81527625
Bucky and Pronk "tossing poo"

>>81539385
I think you got enough engagement for now. Fwiw, I did get a laugh at a character being decisive and having no redeeming qualities being unlikable and marks of bad writing. Thank God we're not 13 year old girls here.

>>81539461
I like to think they're gentle and not mean during sex.

>>81539452
>So if you try to help your wife or kid, you're not taking the lead, you're a simp?
If someone claimed to have killed my wife or kid after having been alone with them, and I was a fox person, I'd probably try to bite them to death. Now, that's not Disney friendly, but Jesus Christ lol, something more substantial than a fearful, panicked expression through the entire fight. Again, some range would be appreciated.

>His motivation being someone he loves is a much better bit of growth in my eyes
It's growth, but this entire conversation was predicated on how they might grow in future installments. One person said they needed to learn to not be codependent? Which is a weird lesson in hindsight with that person likely now advocating he's cool with Nick being so dependent on Judy she's literally his ONLY motivation kek. Don't forget the context of this entire argument, I know it can be difficult for you to focus at times, but try.

>>81539462
Hey, I'd leave to if I didn't have a strong argument! Better luck next time darling.

>>81539516
>"Shove it in!"
>"No, you shove it in!"

>>81539564
So we're arguing about hypotheticals? Because by the end both Nick and Judy fully opened up about what they've been doing wrong and that the other is important to them. I see no reason to think it will go downhill. I also always saw relationships as depending on the other. Nick isn't some perfect manly man. He's flawed, same as Judy. I agree the writing could have been better in places but I don't think 2 is character killing like you're saying it is for Nick.

>to
Anon if you're going to be intellectually superior, don't make silly mistakes like that. You dork.

>>81539658
>So we're arguing about hypotheticals?
We WERE and then it turned into this "Nick is just fine and he's happy and he loves being a simp" shit lol.

>I see no reason to think it will go downhill
I mean, I don't either, but there's always room for Disney to fuck up.

>Nick isn't some perfect manly man. He's flawed, same as Judy.
That's the point of growing and improving though.

>I agree the writing could have been better in places but I don't think 2 is character killing like you're saying it is for Nick.
I never said it was character killing though, just that he's a simp who has room to grow in later installments. You seem to think it's fine, I don't, I think Nick could be more courageous, more honorable, take the lead more, like at the Gala, get serious, etc etc. And no, I'm not saying he needs to turn into Andrew Tate before you misrepresent me for the billionth time lol, just more engaged with things that have important meanings than just his own personal want, especially when those wants are based on his own personal fears.

>Anon if you're going to be intellectually superior, don't make silly mistakes like that.
Ad hominem, disregarded!

>>81539770
I just don't personally see him as a simp. He's doing things for her because he loves her. Much like a husband and wife, or parents for their kids, etc. He disagrees a lot with her in the movie. He's trying to get her to handle things differently. Sure I want him to care about more things around him, but to be fair Judy was making it pretty hard with how reckless she was being. Hell he had a pretty good idea trying to catch the ant eater and it did work. Just Judy messed it up by chasing after him recklessly.

>>81539904
I know this is gonna blow your mind, but to be fair I did mention it earlier, I don't have as much of a problem with it, RIGHT NOW. It IS progression, Z1 his progression is just opening up at all, Z2 his progression is admitting his feelings in a clear way, Z3 I'd like that progression to continue, fully fleshing him out, understanding there are bigger things in the world than just him and his wants, and learning how to be more confident and capable in achieving those things. If anything I'd like to see him sync up and share Judy's enthusiasm for justice, and I'd like to see Judy slow down and be a little more thoughtful and clever. A way to both illustrate change of their characters, AND them syncing up as lovers, two birds one stone. A power couple that confidently works as a team, not a lopsided one where a headstrong individual drives them through the plot, while loverboy drags along and does what he can to mitigate the damage.

>>81539999
Yeah that seems fair. I'd like that for 3 as well. I guess I'm too caught up on the simp thing since I don't think that's exactly what it is. Like wanting someone you love to not do stupid shit and trying to keep them alive seems understandable to me. Though I guess for lack of better term or just 4chan terminology, it works.

I do think that for 3 not making them a couple will make a lot of what happened and was shown in 2 kind of pointless to an extent. I don't think it will be as everything in an animated film is deliberate. I don't need to see a wedding. I'd just like to know they wake up beside each other in the morning.

>>81512783
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiFvNi_gzso

>>81540084
The concept of wanting to protect someone isn't bad, actually quite the opposite, for me it's how he goes about protecting her. Everything is in the negative sense, it's very reactionary, I want Nick to move away from, "Oh god carrots what are you doing, this is so stupid, you're gonna get us killed, just listen to me, fuck what's going on in the city we need to bounce! I can't lose you!" And move more towards actively agreeing that (insert bad guy here) doing (insert plot here) needs to be stopped for the good of the city, and he's willing to do what needs to be done to take the guy down, even if it puts him at risk, but she needs to slow the fuck down and see some reason, and make a better plan or something.

That's what I mean by manly, not interested in Judy making sandwiches all day lol, I'm interested in Nick being more of an overall willing participant, a force for good, someone who's willing to get his hands dirty because he realizes (insert plot here) is bigger than the both of him, while still definitely wanting to protect Judy. A little more complex, a little more nuanced, more opportunities for him to really show off his stuff.

And yeah, I want him to get in a fight and win, I don't want Judy to be the only one who knocks out someone bigger than her.

Obviously the changes don't have to be ridiculous mind you, dude doesn't need to turn into fucking Gaston or some shit, but, especially if Z3 is the last movie, by the climax, I want Nick to be straight up heroic. And Judy should be more calculating, willing to listen, she can continue being heroic, they should be heroic together.

>I do think that for 3 not making them a couple will make a lot of what happened and was shown in 2 kind of pointless to an extent
Big fear of mine was that the confession in 2 was Disney's way of trying to appease everyone at once. I don't know for sure, I hope not, but if they're not together in the third film, it would be retarded.

>>81540248
I feel like after Nick gets the pen to Gary and knows Judy has a chance, he should have disarmed Pawbert before the ice broke. This would have given Judy time to get up there and help him.

>>81536618
I guess Judy is more so the problem here, since she has no friends other than Nick in the city.

>>81537530
So you'd rather him just up and abandon her to 'teach her a lesson'?

>>81538496
I wanna see you overcome trauma in just a year

>>81540293
Honestly, and this is 100% just my desire to see Nick kick ass, I think Nick shoulda won on his own. I legitimately think it woulda been a nice scene for Judy to rush out there only to see Nick standing there, maybe a little worse for wear, but still standing. Again, showing Nick being competent and at the same time showing Judy didn't get the opportunity to help this time, he coulda died, her diving in head first mentality coulda got em both killed actually.

But I'd be okay with them teaming up too, just wouldn't be my first preference. The fight wasn't terrible, but it definitely was very flawed imo.

>>81540696
You're WAY behind this thread lol.

>>81540748
You're allowed to move a narrative along in movies, otherwise all movies would be like 5-10 years long.

>>81540770
>You're allowed to move a narrative along in movies, otherwise all movies would be like 5-10 years long.
True, but they were clearly going with the 'end of the honeymoon phase' angle here, what with the movie taking place exactly one week after Nick became a cop. If the next movie skips ahead 2 years, then we can talk about more significant maturing on both ends actually.

>Nick and Judy got to see Bellweather
>What are you doing here at my quaint little ce... OH MY LAMBCHOPS!
>They flash their rings and kiss each other.
>It's called a hustle, sweetheart.
>They walk away holding arms.
>You're perverse! Vile! You should be locked up, not me!

>>81541092
>>It's called a hustle, sweetheart.
shut the fuck up i beg of you

>>81540850
I mean that's still only 3 years, but again, you can move it forward for narrative purposes. Luke got over his aunt and uncle dying in like one day lol, but no one cares because the overall growth was what was important. I think a year after the events of the first movie gives some room to grow.

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>>81541092
Now i REALLY want to see this happen

>>81541270
boom

>>81541405
Yeah, and most disney romance plots were kissing in minutes from people meeting. wtf is wrong with disney they should be fucking, dont they know they can write that? No one cares just get to the fucking.

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>>81535779
>The "the snake was a bad idea" poster sure was quiet after release
Oh I'm still here, and I still think the snake was a bad idea (which I think it proved to be), but the contrived bait and switch faggot Pawbert was even worse.
I'm not even sure if I care about living long enough to see Z3 if all they care about is the cash grab sequel mentality.
I'm just sitting back watching the funeral pyre that was /ztg/, about the only worthwhile thing to come out of here (the movie had nothing), was a new Pack Street chapter.
I hope writing and then reading that was the catharsis you need Weaver, god speed son.

>>81541853
As far as cashgrab goes, it was good enough anons here defend it religiously and overseas made it profitable as fuck. There is no reason to change course unless Big Bobby say so.

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>>81541803
Same. I also wonder how did Nick meet Judy's parents. Like did Nick and Judy go to bunnyborrow on their day off or did the Hopps visit Judy like in that deleted scene.

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>>81537530
>has no self respect despite being disregarded repeatedly
because bun puss
its also not something knew given her going back on her promises constantly, only agreeing to put her foot in the door

zootopia 2 sucks

>>81542621
I liked it despite some gripes I had. I liked Gary too. Some tighter writing in key spots would have helped a lot.

>>81541853
I kinda think Pawbert was a better twist villain than Bellwether. If only because his issues are clearly wanting to be accepted by his family above all. Bellwether is just a psycho.

>>81542394
I actually nearly forgot that Judy was constantly going back on their agreement in the first movie.

God, this thread is filled with a bunch of negative nancy's on Zoot's tenth anniversary nonetheless!
Let's fix that: https://youtu.be/b1d466M_K70?si=1-wbp3M8qZa9LCa5
-Lurker Anon

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>>81535162
I mean yeah its a victory for the shipper for sure. Although whats more important is how its done rather than if they get split up at work, it could work but I think I see that being a bigger problem for the writers than not.

The headcanon Ive mentioned a few times is that they are confronted with the dilemma of being split up, due to promotion or something, and Judy at the end deciding she would rather stay with Nick, either as a beat cop or quitting entirely and starting a PI firm with him.

The latter option also helps Disney move away from the Police as a theme since they seem to be doing that with Z2. Unfortunate but understandable.

>>81535764
>>81535779
Aint that the truth, I mean the idea of Gary itself isnt smart for the worldbuilding but Im just thankful the movie was good.

>>81537467
NOT HIM TOO!

>>81537524
I was gonna say...

>>81541853
Im pretty sure there are a lot more new fics coming out because of Z2. Not saying they are all masterpieces, I havnt read any yet, but Im guessing you havnt either.

Why did they make gideon so hot

>>81547135
He is the one swallowing pies 24/7/12

>>81542394
I feel her reasoning for going back on her word in Z1 is understandable. She wants to prove herself, but she genuinely wants to help Mrs. Otterton find her husband. She needs Nick but I don't think at that point in the movie he'd help her on his own yet. He doesn't really start trusting her I think until the Manches incident.

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>>81548387
The character name is Mancha.
And that basically mean "do what i want else i will hold this over you forever" that gets you Surprise Hugged by British Youths in the wee hours of the night. Yes, savior and part time cop Judy hopps had the best intentions, and Nick is really hoping for some crumbs of pussy, but him being interested or not doesnt change that Judy never really ever cared about whar those around her want, useable or otherwise.

>>81549687
She didn't hold it over him forever though. She gave him the pen after they found the predators. She fucked up by hurting Nick sure, but if she didn't care she wouldn't have made the effort to apologize and set things right for the predators.

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>>81538496

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Betty would see this guy and think, "Would."

>>81550727
i feel she wants to avoid being put on a list

>>81550727
She'd be in that chair with him
on top of him

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What kind of medals did Nick and Judy receive

Are those Zootopia's equivalent of the medal of honor?

>>81551455
Ah yes, me, my partner, and our fellow cops who tried to murder me because a private citizen told them to

>>81550096
all of this hinged on judy being pushed down by bogo and triggering him, something that just happens so that they shift from coerced person to friend for the "backstab" built over less than 24 hrs

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>>81551455
Biggest ZPD funds cutter.
Two mayor removals
One billionaire investiment divestment
Full time rejects for everything

Yooo is that a new shakira single.

>>81551794
Sure, it's a movie so it's not going to play out 100% like reality. She's still not an awful person. Just flawed despite trying to be perfect and prove herself. If we're gonna nitpick that much you could just say
>Bad thing happen in animal city so entire movie can happen.

>>81551961
You can like someone and admit they are not good people. This is literally the point of having Nick not turn 180 despite Judy ready to instantly ditching him in the honeymoon lodge. He voiced it, she said she would grow from it later, all good now. The past still there.

>>81552074
That's the thing, I think Judy is a good person who did inconsiderate things. Nick knows she's better than that. That's why it hurt Nick so much. He was open to her apology because he knows that's not who she is. He just wanted her to realize what she did and say she's sorry. He even kept the pen.

>>81552283
I'm not saying she can't grow and learn, just that good people make mistakes. You take those mistakes and try to be better than you were. So I'm not disagreeing on that part.

>>81551939
what is that a reference to?

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>>81553199
He should have went for his brother and sisters attention. They sometimes give looks like they wanted to protect Pawbert.

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>>81549687
>The character name is Mancha.
Actually, his name (in the script) is Manchas, but we all know who you both meant.

>>81553399
Hope 3 has a chunk of the movie set in the rainforest district. We've seen tundra twice, had the Sahara in 2, but only a small bit in the rainforest.

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>>81550727
>Betty would see this guy and think, "Would."
Goat would be like; "Yo, hey there Momma..."
Betty would reply; "In your dreams sunshine."
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Haven't seen Goat yet, but this could be some good crossover in Pack Street?

I kinda wish Nick and Judy becoming official didn't matter to me as much as it does. I know some think it's silly, especially for fictional characters. I don't really get attached like this to characters so it's weird even compared to other things I've liked. I could list reasons why but I don't know if it's personal bias or genuine possible indicators. Being so invested is great cause I don't normally get that invested in stories, but since they take 5+ years to make it's really annoying waiting to see how things pan out.

>>81554439
just accept that you care and you got snagged by disney and became a disney adult and accept being laughed at

>>81551455
more than likely just normal commendation medals.