Sometimes I wonder if what I think is improvement is just me not being too lazy to fix errors or put in the effort to render. Does that make sense? How can I tell if I’m actually improving versus just not being so lazy? Is there a difference?

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And here’s a sketch.

>>82013419
Just try man idk. Alternatively, time yourself drawing for 2-3 hours and then try it again in a month's time maybe.

>>82013747
So you’re saying I should KMS?

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Draw this lady.

>>82013419
If you're being less lazy more often that's improovement

>>82015375
korean maple story? no sorry! I dont have a korean phone number! i also do not like nexon so i will continue to play ragnarok online instead!

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Dont know how to do lineart I think sometimes I just clean the sketch layer and do whatever

>>82017104
Perfectly valid way to do lineart, that. Even leaving it haphazardly sketchy can work when done right.

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Repostan. Didn't want to resave it but I fixed her legs. They were a little too long.

I like bunnies.

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posting the alien lady here, I should name her species soon. and color her....anyways I'm proud of the anatomy here

>>82017104
seconding this >>82017226, an artist that comes to mind is Yoji Shinkawa. a sketchy look can be very pleasing if done right

>>82017718
do not the bnuy
amazing lineart as usual

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>>82016439
>i also do not like nexon
>i will continue to play ragnarok online instead

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Does the lioness look right? Specifically her arms and head and how they're drawn with the top-down angle.

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Progress
>>82013705
cute
>>82017104
I've seen plenty of artists do that and it makes for a cool look. It definitely works with your style.
>>82017718
bnnuy
>>82018051
I need to doodle even more

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>>82018755
Head looks to be largely correct, check against pic related and make changes if you see fit. The forearm she's leaning on looks a bit bent to the left towards the wrist though, straighten that out. Not quite sure how you're planning on doing the other arm, is it going over Matilda's hand and under her own boob? That'd make the most sense with this posing if the idea is she's stroking Leo's hair. Also, Leo's feet look like they've got no heels, you'll want to add one to the one that'll be visible, at least.

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I'm trying to get into digital art, I've worked with pencils and markers mostly, but I can't seem to "get" it. I think that I'm trying to do things the same way I would do on paper, but obviously on digital that's not possible. Picrel a penguin that I tried to draw, using a drawing book (will post the reference in a reply).

Anyone has a guide, video or book about starting with digital art, or any other pointers, really. I'm mostly having problem with the brushes, having steady and consistant lines (thickness wise) and other basic stuff. If it's helpful, I'm using Krita and a wacom cth-460 (it's an old model, I want to get a new one, but if I can't do the basic stuff I can't really justify that purchase).

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>>82020836
This is the reference from the book, it's the final step on a how-to-draw process, that book helped me a lot to start with art and I thought it was a good idea to do it on digital.

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Open ended question for the thread:

Keeping in mind that drawing involves a multitude of potential topics, what do you personally believe "having good taste" to be? Is there some portion of good taste that goes beyond the subjective and can apply across interests, subjects, mediums and styles? And what can a beginner do to either cultivate good taste or avoid cultivating bad taste?

>>82020836
>>82020844
There's plenty of videos on YouTube on the subject, here's one I got by searching for "switching from traditional to digital art" that looks to be fairly thorough:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbLazDkudQo

If you want to switch to a newer tablet, I'll recommend you go with a screened one. They're fairly affordable at the lower end these days, especially the Chinese brands (just be sure to get one on Amazon to take advantage of their returns policy, one place where they cut corners to get the price down is QA so a lot more duds get through their screening process and onto store shelves than with western manufacturers), and still get the basic job done well enough. Personally, I've been using a Gaomon PD156 Pro for a few years and it's been a good piece of hardware, barring the occasional fuckiness with driver updates and conflicts with Windows's monitor resolution scaling.
You can keep the old tablet around for use when travelling too, since once you get used to the disconnect between canvas and drawing surface, it'll be much like riding a bike and you'll readjust quick, unlike with many other things in art. However, there's some limitations that can't be gotten around quite so easily, such as lining up a new stroke with an old one, so the screened ones are always the better choice when available.

>>82022318
Thank, you, that video seems helpful. I want to get a screened tablet, having a direct connection between pencil and drawing seems marvelous, but they are quite expensive, and I need to get better to justify it.
I'll save that gaomon one, doesn't seem bad, but I'll check some reviews first. Could you share any artwork you did with it?
I'll try to do more of the how to draw book on digital, probably on this thread.

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>>82021104
Taste is subjective, as the old adage goes. Still, there is a consensus of sorts as to what general ballpark "good taste" encompasses, but a quote from United States Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart in regards to obscenity comes to mind:
>I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that.

Trying to boil it down into a hard and fast set of rules would be a bit of a fool's errand, so your best bet for becoming an erudite judge of artistic quality is to become well-versed in works that are widely considered to be in good taste. Museums with the works of old masters are a good place to start, then delving deeper into the artists behind the works you've found particularly evocative. From there, seeing the works of artists who cite the artists you've researched as inspirations. Same applies to literary works, if you're aiming to do some comics; that medium itself has its own masters and their great works of course (Jean Giraud (better known as Moebius) comes to mind; that guy influenced basically all of modern popular culture), but you might also want to dip a toe into the pulp fiction they drew their inspirations from, and then the literary classics that pulp fiction drew upon.

Furry art, too, has its own history, one that predates the fandom as we know it today when it was formed in the 80s as a spin-off of the general fantasy/sci-fi fandom. Unfortunately, very few of the fandom's modern denizens are even aware of that history, much less interested in researching it. To be expected, I suppose, from people who are primarily interested in porn. However, it behooves those of us who create that porn to know a little something about it, if for no other reason than finding potential sources of inspiration.

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>>82021104
Furry porn as we understand it today, arguably, starts with one Robert Crumb (a fairly influential figure in general, the provocative nature of his works even inspired Jean Giraud to adopt his famous Moebius moniker in order to do something similarly unrestrained and led to his own widely influential stardom) and his underground comix series Fritz the Cat. However, the sexual content in it is more incidentally than deliberately pornographic; more along the lines of just another tool of shock value among many others. Omaha the Cat Dancer would probably be the first widely recognized example of a pornographic work where the intent is to titillate rather than simply shock, and is a good early example of how to interweave sex scenes into a soap-operaesque narrative in a naturalistic way in general, and is noted among non-furry comic historians for that reason. Then, once the furry fandom is considered to have officially been formed, we saw an explosion of fanzines that collated the efforts of many amateur creatives, a prototype of sorts for the art gallery sites that would start popping up on the early internet, which we are all familiar with.

Personally, I was quite inspired by Vicky Wyman's Xanadu series of comics. They might not feature much in the way of open pornography, and my own style is decidedly less stylized, but something about reading them made me want to take up art more seriously again after years of dormancy. Not quite sure what about them left such an impression, it's been well over ten years since I first read through them so memory is a bit hazy and they're honestly not that impressive in terms of narrative or art by modern standards, but an impression they did leave and are largely the reason I'm here today. My best guess is that, since I had to hunt down second-hand copies and ship them over from America for lack of a digitally archived version, holding such storied artifacts in my hands served as an amplifier of their effectiveness.

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>>82021104
Wyman's other works in digital circulation, mostly commissions, are more openly pornographic in nature, of course. Don’t quite remember how much of them I saw before reading the comic, though; probably not all that many, since I think I only found her FA account afterwards. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the other older artists whose work I like and have been influenced by have her among their own inspirations, however, considering her anthropomorphic equines probably constituted a good chunk of the available examples of such beings in the early fandom.

So, to circle back around to the question, to have any hope of cultivating good taste is to be well-versed in culture on a multitude of fronts, both the ones that are of direct interest to you personally as well as dabbling a little in the ones that are tangentially related, seeing as they often feed into the ones you're interested in. Do not mistake knowledge alone for valid credentials, however; that way lies the path of the insufferable snob whose arrogance is largely unearned. Always remain humble and remember that the only thing you truly know is that you know nothing, a fact that should become ever clearer the more you learn and realize how much you've yet to learn. Good taste is mostly a communally defined quality, after all, so you cannot arrive at an accurate conclusion regarding whether you have it or not by sitting in an academic ivory tower, solipsistically turning the question over and over in your head. But you shouldn't always let the crowd be the judge either, seeing as it is not always infallibly wise, prone as they are to being swayed by skilled rhetoricians. It is a matter of dialogue and compromise between artist and audience, an often searingly heated crucible from which, perhaps, something of worth may emerge with enough hammering.

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>>82023832
>they are quite expensive
Relatively, it's not so bad, considering the price of entry for them was in the 1000s back when Wacom was the only game in town worth mentioning. Still, especially in this economy, a couple hundred bucks can make one's wallet sweat bullets. That said, it's definitely not a requirement to having an enjoyable time with digital art, so best save it for later when you've saved up the dough.

>Could you share any artwork you did with it?
Ah hell, I kinda have trouble remembering which of my projects I've primarily done with it, seeing as I'm often moving from place to place and using an old screenless tablet (or even just a mouse and vector lines) when I'm away from home. And, of course, all of them are incomplete. Pic related is one I'm pretty sure was done almost entirely with the PD156, and the latest project I've slowly been scribbling and posting WIPs of lately is one I'm absolutely certain is done with it:
https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/81857676/#81970273

Draw

>>82024988
Those are good results, it seems to work properly. I can afford it, but it's quite the buck, and I also wanted to buy a resin 3d printer this year, I'll have manage it somehow...

>revive

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I feel like the yawn looks off, especially her bottom jaw. I think I'll move her right arm closer to her body.

>>82026227
Like, are we dueling?

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this little faggot has broken my heart for the last week or so. I haven't really drawn anything in years but I felt a strong urge to try.

>>82030260
Thanks for moving here. You will learn more here but try to chat and ask questions, just the stuff you want to learn, no need to become a grand master. Just good enough to draw what you want.

>>82030312
well I'm mostly confused about equipment, I guess? I don't really know anything about pencils, I only have a black pen and a notepad.

>>82030363
That's a good question. But remember that most people start with you. A good (not extremely cheap) or expensive pencil can do wonders. I myself don't draw but a Brazilian friend of mine started with a pencil #2 and after learning the basics brought a cheap secondhand tablet to learn how to do digital art.

>>82030420
>But remember that most people start with you.
????

>>82030507
He probably meant "starts with that"
The kind of pencil or doesn't matter, the paper doesn't really matter either though thin and lined paper is less desirable. As you keep drawing you'll find your preference or have complaints with your current materials and you can get advice on what to change.

you ever feel like something is holding you back but you can't pinpoint it?

okay, the other big thing
how to hands?

>>82030694
Put them in pockets and pray no one notices
Alternatively, attempt to draw your own and then get weirded out at how gangly and weird they are as a concept

>>82030694
Triangles

>>82030751
squares*

>>82030818
Whiskey flasks and noodles*

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I think I'm losing my mind recently. Nothing feels right not even drawing my OC. I need to do something about this idk

>>82021104
The answer is that it doesn't matter. I know artists who draw nothing but Sonic OC characters and they have better lighting and rendering skills than 90% of the artists I follow. It's what they like to draw and so they draw it a lot.

If something looks good to you, then that is your taste. You don't need to think about it any more than that. The only other reason to talk about "good" or "bad" taste is to jack off in internet arguments about how you like Kim Jung Gi more than the next guy.

>>82020836
>I'm mostly having problem with the brushes, having steady and consistant lines (thickness wise) and other basic stuff
Consider using a stabilizer within your program and cranking it up until it feels nice to you. It can't replace the experience of drawing thousands of lines, but it can help if things are looking too scratchy. I think this is a pretty common complaint from people moving from traditional to digital. If you've ever watched some industry professionals like Steve Huston use digital, his fundamentals are there but his linework looks sloppier. Black-ink-on-white-background digital art tends to look way less forgiving because you don't have a paper and pencil texture to help break up the lightest of your lines, if that makes sense. It's why I like using a lot of texture-y stuff, but that's more just personal preference.

The best advice I could give for brushes is just find one or two you like and stick with it. A lot of modern programs have a habit of giving you 2-3 workhorse brushes and 90 gimmicky brushes that you'll be hard pressed to find any use for. When in doubt, a hard round brush will get you there (also learning how to draw texture with a round hard brush is really important for fundamentals imo).

Also I drew some sicknasty stuff on my shitty Bamboo tablet back in the day. You get good with what you use.

>>82032706
Just have another ciggy

Say I want to start drawing cub and posting on Inkbunny. How effective would it be if I used an alias to do it so it's not connected to my non-cub art?

>>82033700
Depends on how established your style is. If you're actively trying to change your style to make cub stuff, you can get away with it. Otherwise, if there's anything I've learned over the years it's that some autist will recognize your style and connect the dots.

>>82033700
Don't draw cub if you're a pussy little bitch. You won't survive.

>>82033895
What do you mean by this?

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>>82018844
its fun and a good way to get ideas down, but in all honesty I should draw more finished pieces. we're on opposite ends of the spectrum here, really good art though holy shit

>>82034220
If you're scared of people knowing you draw cub you will kill yourself when your alt account is called out and connected to your main

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Lets try not crashing out for a change

>>82033291
But I don't smoke, she does

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I simply have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to hatching, but maybe if I don't stop it will eventually look somewhat good.

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>>82028881
Lions yawn pretty wide, wide enough that it's often difficult to tell it from a roar in still image format. Always grab some references when possible, they're often only a search away until you get into particularly esoteric posing.

>>82032706
Could be you're in one of those infamous "art lows" where your ability to evaluate your work has outpaced your ability to draw it. This is temporary but painful, so you're just gonna have to suffer through it until work quality improves.

>>82020836
>>82033141
>Consider using a stabilizer within your program and cranking it up until it feels nice to you.
I'll second that. I've yet to draw on a tablet that'll get me lines as clean and smooth as what I can do on paper. Not quite sure why that is, my working hypothesis is that it's a combination of minute muscle movements being picked up by the sensors and the drawing surface lacking the coarse texture of paper to keep it more stable. I still keep the stabilizer off for sketching to maximize responsiveness, but if I want clean, smooth lines for final linework, I'll crank it up.
There's screen protectors for tablets that introduce a texture similar to paper, but caveat emptor; this also means increased friction, which means the pen nib of your stylus will wear out much faster, and they deliberately mark the price up for replacement nibs to milk you for cash. For screenless tablets, a ghetto solution is to just tape a piece of paper over it for a similar effect, though the thing with the nibs applies there as well. Still, most of the time they're courteous enough to supply you with some replacement nibs as part of the tablet's original package. Check your pen holder, that's where they usually hide 'em.

>>82033700
>>82034557
This Anon is right, don't get into cub (or at least don't post it online) if you're deathly afraid of what'll happen when it's discovered. It'll make you persona non grata in a lot of circles, sure, but it's less likely to land you in jail than lolisho (depending on local law of course, make sure you're up-to-date on the statutes regarding obscenity in your country/state and if they make a distinction between pure fiction and photographic content before you do something you'll actually regret) and you've got other circles who'll not just take you under their wing, they'll actively help you survive the ostracization, since most of them have suffered that themselves already. But do keep in mind you'll be stuck with them, since "polite" society isn't keen on letting anyone who fails a purity test of this kind back into the fold, and if they do, there will always be strings attached.

>>82036236
I've always found hatching digitally to be a lot more difficult than traditionally. Something about the texture of paper helping keep the strokes consistent and evenly spaced, I think. Still, it's not impossible digitally, you just have to take it more slow and deliberate. Of course, that defeats the point a little, since hatching is supposed to be a quick and dirty solution to shading as you go.
Here's a video demonstrating some techniques for digital hatching:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP1h3wckkm8

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>>82024406
Thanks for the recs, history and thoughts, horseanon. That all makes sense and explains why (IIRC) Art History is the opener course for most art degrees. And different generations gravitating to different styles.
>I know it when I see it
No shortcuts then, just slow accumulation, as with most things.

>>82033141
>If something looks good to you, then that is your taste. You don't need to think about it any more than that. The only other reason to talk about "good" or "bad" taste is to jack off in internet arguments about how you like Kim Jung Gi more than the next guy.
Fair. My intent is not to try to distill The Right Answer nor to accidentally kick off internet arguments, but to survey the landscape and see what the opinions and options are, currently having very few opinions and little awareness of options myself.
To put it another way, what sorts of things do you like to see and draw, anon? And if possible, what draws you to them? Because I might like them too.

does anybody have a guide/reference on drawing female muscle
i seem to have lost mine
full body would be much appreciated

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>>82037590
>That all makes sense and explains why (IIRC) Art History is the opener course for most art degrees.
Aye; gotta be familiar with the playing field first before you can properly start the game, after all.

>To put it another way, what sorts of things do you like to see and draw, anon? And if possible, what draws you to them? Because I might like them too.
NTA, obviously, but I've always been fascinated by horses, for as long as I can remember. Always tricky to understand exactly why these sorts of inborn tendencies exists, but given that many artists throughout history have favoured horses as a subject matter, there's something to be said for the combination of grace and power of their physical form, not to mention the complex psychological symbolism of the paradoxical juxtaposition of wild freedom and diligent servitude they represent and the deep well of history in both military and civilian matters and, of course, the many mythical variants from a variety of cultures.

As for what drove me to draw them myself, besides the obvious general admiration, is the fact that people are always falling short of how I personally would like to see anthro equines depicted. I know all too well how difficult the head is to get right, but many artists consistently make mistakes with it; too short a muzzle, too long a muzzle, too wide, too narrow, too much forehead, too realistic, too stylized, the list goes on. As the old adage goes, if you want something done right, you gotta do it yourself. The upside is that if you're good enough to draw a good horse, you're good enough to draw pretty much anything else, except maybe human faces, but that's arguably the ultimate challenge for an artist in any event.

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>>82037868
I've got this. Should be easy enough to find more realistic medical diagrams with a quick search, and always keep in mind that male and female muscles are pretty much the same, only the proportions change, so you can use a male reference in a pinch, and might even want to if you're aiming to do particularly muscular women.

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>>82037590
>To put it another way, what sorts of things do you like to see and draw, anon? And if possible, what draws you to them? Because I might like them too.
I mean, I'm a furry smut artist who's into big assholes and gay stuff. If you want the more artsy answer, I really like rendering and color and I think I'm pretty good at them. I'm very inspired by people like Krenz Kushart and Angela Sung (both very worth checking out) who have really interesting color choices wherever you look. Everything's harmonious and just works(tm).

Anyways here's a cropped version of one of my ocs with a big horsecock. Sorry about that.

>>82037868
I don't really have anything that's like, "muscle women", but for whatever reason when I think of women and muscle in the same sentence I think of TB Choi. She has a lot of good anatomy breakdowns and her art makes for great reference.

>>82038025
>cropped
gay

>>82038115
The true reason is that I'm too lazy to trial-and-error resizing it to fit within the file size. it's a lazy kind of night

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>>82038170
Full image seems to fit within the limits just fine.

>>82038215
Must just be the web compression, the only versions I have saved to my pc are original size and wouldn't fit

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>>82018844
I'll sit on this and let people roast me for now.
>>82034527
Doodling builds up milage which is always good. It all leads to better results.
>really good art though holy shit
Thanks man, I was starting to lose confidence in this
>>82036236
I wanted to try hatching too, but I need to figure it out too. What you have right now looks good though.

>>82038025
Definitely a sensuous horsecock, no homo. And thanks for the recs

>revive

>>82040203
Let it die, what is even the point

>>82041362
im tired of seeing this "let it die" copypasta reply everytime

>>82041562
it's fine, it's an extra reply.

>>82041562
Would be disappointed to learn that you replied to the op?

Guys I need to learn how to learn and how to learn correctly to make anything that looks better.
So maybe I need to get off my high horse and ask for help

>>82043298
can't offer much advice myself, but drawabox seems like a solid resource for the very basics

>>82043298
> learn how to learn and how to learn correctly
Just draw. No books, no courses, no studies. Just draw.
Then you will go "my heads look like shit" so you learn to draw a head. Then a hand. Then a tree, whatever. You will teach yourself instead of following some retards 'advice' made for no one except to make money off of you.

>>82043438
I will it draw your shitty shit boxes no matter how many times you mean this exercise
>>82043488
But ive been doing this all this time. I just feel at my winds end here

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Any advice on drawing vaginas?

>>82043637
it's a free website that goes over the basics of how to draw lines, basic shapes, construct more complex objects out of those basic shapes, it seems really solid.

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Started back at the end of Feb, decided to move on from it. Line quality is all over the place but I'm happy with how the figure turned out.

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>>82043925

I tried drawing last night but everything came out shit I think I need to take a break I’m burning out. How am I supposed to know what I want to draw?

>>82046771
Try doing something else. I don't get to draw too much, so sometimes I spend most of my day thinking about the thing I want to draw.

I might've made a mistake. The fabric I'm rendering looks too thick. How do I make it thin now?

>>82045425
Thanks anon
That's very in depth

>>82013213
Live bitch

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WIP on this thing from
https://petragut.com/a/blog/tony-kelly-paradiso-st-moritz

>>82048822
Post it

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>>82013213

I’ve have given up drawing fuck you all yours jerkass

>>82055295
Take a break and continue tomorrow. Evil is timeless, after all.

>>82055509
I’m no evil your evil fag

>>82056099
I meant the desire to not draw.

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Was at a convention all last week now its back to the ol grind