>>82874860
Snug your bun, everyone!

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>>82875452

Six months(sic) after release date of Z2, and already it's starting to feel like 'end days', where the thread falls over, and doesn't reappear for half a day or so...

>>82877172
Quite frankly, I'm surprised it outlived the deletion of the original Zoot Discord after Sasha caused Civil War 2 to get back at Weaver

>>82877295
Same, the threads should have died when the Discordgods dictated to be so.

>>82877172
It doesn't feel like Z2 lit a spark under people like Z1 did.
I don't know if it's just me but it feels like most generals and fandoms on this site are a lot deader than they used to be. It feels like there's a lot less content creation powerhouses across the whole thing. Sucks

>>82879838
Countrywide depression will do that

>>82881540
Also, the site as a whole was at the peak of a massive surge in users in 2016, and in 2026 it's been hemorrhaging users for years on pretty much every board except the most popular three. It's not that surprising why the vibes were there then and aren't here now

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>>82879838
Hm.

I can't share the feeling, other generals fandom are just as active on other boards. Even fandoms that were about to die off, like roommates, had a resurgence. Yeah, maomao, holy, nitw, all dead, yes. But a lot of other generals rose and changed and still live, even with all the raceplay/cheating general variants.

When you bring the "4chan is dying" argument in, it's even worse, because of how insane a, v, vg, tv are. Not even considering co, that to this day /trash/ still receives the threads because how the mods there work.

Zootopia still has a lot of work being done, >>82881008 artist aside we have new content every thread. Le French Unicorn work is reposted here as soon as they make it.

Not sure about >>82881540, since gachaslop generals are just as active.

I honestly just think that /ztg/ is struggling and dying. I didn't feel or care about zootopia 2 so I really can't help on the content making or drumming interest here, I hoped the people who shit on you for not liking it would step up and at least make Z2 content while I try to summon some motivation to make Pack Street/OCs. But we haven't had even an anon making a reptile/bird OC, and only weaver drawn Gary. Shrug.

>>82883188
its just that content making habits have shifted.
Most CCs moved to discord, tumblr died and artists moved to twitter, where its harder to engage and follow your fav creators.

But Z2 definetly hit the mark on many levels and didn't meet fan-expectations, exactly because it tried to subvert them. But subverting expectations only works well when you subvert the things people actually fearfully expect.

Zootopia obtained an unique following exactly because of the original world-building that set it apart from other furry worlds. I enjoyed asig drawing his mongoose having snake-based cuisine as mongoose culture, there would've been so many interesting things to do with lizards and frogs as pets and wild-life.

Another subverted expectation was taking away Judy's and Nick's respect in the police, alongside with their uniforms and police cruiser. When the fandom for 10 years sees their favorite characters depicted as regular beat cops, that are out on the street patrolling and solving normal crime, the misunderstood super detectives that are chased by their own police trope felt forced and out of nowhere.

And then there is wildehopps that was left without even an implicit confirmation.

Because of that most fanfic writers i am in contact with on ZNN and other discords straight up say they are not interested in revising their world-building that they established in 10 years. In fact many feel burned out. There is a lingering fear of not wanting to invest into worldbuilding anymore. People were so careful, trying to analyze every frame and dialogue of the first movie to develop their world as canon-conforming. And then Z2 comes out and it feels like the writers themselves intentionally ignored their own established rules of Z1.

I feel that way too, I don't know if its worth writing zoot anymore. And yeah the complete lack of lizard/snake OCs is palpable. Z2 alienated the og fans and didn't attract the scalies.

>>82883188
I think it's more that Zootopia 1 was great and original so it got a lot of attention and content. Even though I really enjoyed 2, 1 also had the better story. Zootopia itself is beloved going by how well it did at the box office.

>>82884111
z2 really messed up by trying to up the stakes of z1. The predator-prey conflict should've been the highlight of the world, finding out there are even bigger conspiracies and dark secrets in the history of mammals and the city just make the world unlikable.

I can deal with Nick having troubles getting other mammals to trust him because he is a fox and "haha foxes are shifty". But "snakes never hurt anyone" is def not a message that should be said in a childrens movie that is popular in an area where deadly venomous snakes can pop up in your back garden.

>>82879838
The original established the setting and gave the community a lot to speculate on and play with. Z2 didn't add much more in that department.

>>82884647
I'd hope that kids or even just the parents would be smart enough to know the difference and make sure their kids don't mess with real snakes.

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>>82885518
SOON

>>82885696
I said hope, not that they would be.

>>82883765
I can see the part on CCs, I usually just randomly stumble on samur/tbbc/ibkt/zhan/fuel stuff offsite but I'm not really following them on twitter anymore.
Not sure on respect, Nick did see a bunch of cops, and her boss, actively sabotaging her, and Judy herself would have been screwed over had Bellwether not intervened (and later, he intervened on her behalf).
It is of course an unsalvageable situation that is beyond parody, now. I don't understand how Disney reached the end of the movie and made Judy and Nick high five and pose with the rest of the force, but maybe I'm reading too many procedurals where the goal is to remove corruption and incompetence by its roots rather than just solve crime.

>>82886692
Also Nick does actively says he doesn't really care about the force, solving cases or helping people, so having respect for the police force is uniquely of a Judy thing. And a marketing team it seems, given we get random cops in marketting + lorcana when they barely have voice lines.

>>82886854
He never said he doesn't care about helping others. He just wanted to be with Judy above everything else. I mean he helped Gary because he trusted Judy, brought a big Popsicle for the ending party.

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Pandora has the skills to make a ram cum without even touching him.

>>82887515
Need to see Dora being jealous seeing just how close Jazz is to her marshmallow

>>82887543
Maybe this is her way of reclaiming him.

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>>82883188
I miss Mead, and I think it's time for a 'Reverse Pack Street';
>The lanky malnourished vegetarian wolf, slinked down the sidewalk, his head looking in all directions.
>He knew some of 'The Herd' hung around this end of Grassland, but the DairyQueen on Flock Street made the best milkshakes this side of Savanah Central.
>An odd click noise emanated from and ally as he passed, not a metallic sound, but just the tiniest bit softer, a keratinous kind of 'soft hardness', like a hoof...
>Loupa pulled up his hoody to cover his ears, and looped his tail around up and inside his jacket, grasping it with the paw in that side pocket.
>He walked on...
C'mon Weaver, you should be able to do something with this setup...
(I tried once)

>>82885696
>>82885518
I wonder if being an Australian had me liking Z2 less than Z1?
We be having some pretty deadly snakes here...

>>82885783
>"Nick, why does this peanut butter taste funny?"

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>>82887515
Just reminds me...

>>82883124
I mean again it could just be me, but it feels like a lot of fandom spaces aren't as engaged as they used to be. I don't think it's Zootopia specific, but just lack of content creators or engagement with their content from other fans and other creators. I dunno it just feels like something I've noticed the past few years.

>>82887034
Because of Judy, yes. It's a Judy helps people and I help Judy kind of thing.

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>ztg is dead

>its the discord fault!
>its the fans fault!
>its the website fault!
>its the fan zeitgeist fault!
>its society fault!
mom come pick me up im scared

it was me i killed the hype

>>82887543
>Jazz and Dora willing to share him for a night

What happened to the booru? I can't find it on Google. Stupid fuckin search engine is borderline useless now

>>82879838
I feel like I still see a lot of newer stuff on AO3 and twitter. Not sure how to stack it up against Z1 hype in general but I doubt anyone who's super into the fandom after Z2 is thinking "damn I wonder if there's a /trash/ thread I can go join." I've enjoyed being back in here and have done some write fagging but most artists from back in the day probably have bigger audiences now or just don't draw at all anymore (and green texts don't add to a thread vibe in the same way artists popping in do in my opinion). Just hope this sticks around long enough that the writeanon who was waiting a few chapters to post to AO3 actually does that so I can follow them there, lol.

>>82877295
What's the lore?

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>>82893869
>"damn I wonder if there's a /trash/ thread I can go join."
Yeah, this was mostly a Z1 thing with SloshedFox+Stakeout/JiD/SavageSkye/etc content that offsite content aggregators would redirect people to the thread.

>>82893338
The booru of the OP or some other one?

>>82893869
>What's the lore?

TL;DR

>Most creators go on to Discord server, back in the Canidae days
>Sasha, a shit stirrer, post politics (or NSFW) in the general chat, against the rules, Weaver calls her out on it
>Sasha gets fucking psycho pissed/obsessed over Weaver, starts to silently shit talk him to others over the course of a year

>Weaver has been getting attention from a mainstream artist about Pack Street, with talks of making it as a non-Zoot related project
>Sasha and her friends (including zhan) then try to force Weaver out of the server due to Weaver's past drawings
>Saying they break the rules even though they weren't posted IN the server
>Half the server realizes this is bullshit, refuse to let it happen
>Sasha, Zhan and a few others publicly assassinate Weaver on Xitter, ABT (the big artist) backs off
>Zhan says that he "barely" knows Weaver, despite talking with him and drawing drawing Pack Street art over the course of at least 3 years
>Realizing that optics are bad, Sasha's friends who are Mods get control of the Server, delete it out of spite

>>82894362
>This is after years of drama in and out of the /ztg/ server as well, so when the Discord is deleted, basically all the Sasha supporters left the fandom.

>It also turns out that despite Sasha trying to shame Weaver for some of his old underage art, Sasha has a whole character she made for her little fetish, and Zhan was totally aware of it. They both said it was "different".

There have been creators still around since, but the general just hasn't had the same number of them since the Civil War. That's basically it.

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>>82894415
>hyper (and hyper insertion) enthusiast size diff aficionado who constantly drew ps
oh thats news to me, funny

>>82894734
Yeah
Went from never drawing porn or nudity and then came out doing near exclusively hyper art

>>82894362
It was nobby who did that not zhan
At least from what I remember

>>82894362
>>82894415
That's too bad, wish drama + fallout like this didn't feel like an inevitably for every fandom. Plus, the smaller the space is, the bigger impact stuff like that has when it shows up, even if it takes a bit longer to hit.

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>>82896167
i liked his zhan's nsfw hyper art. It was the sexy kind of tasteful hyper, not the "80% of the screen is just a dick with stickman attached to it" ridicilousness.

And idk about this whole thing painint zhan as an accomplice for sasha, last I recall, he wes neither being super against weaver or being pro-sasha.

>>82896212
this.
nobby. and moped were the biggest "ztg must burn" turncoats, zhan was a cool guy even after the fallout, even if the choose to not come back to the ztg dicord

>>82896212
>>82897014

My bad, it was nobby. I mixed up the two, apologies to zhan.

Nobby was the guy who did the most fucking Pack Street art other than Weaver himself. And when he said that he "barely knew him" it was just so fucking shameless.

IIRC, nobby was basically e-dating Sasha at the time too.

>>82897148
>moped

Man, he was so under my radar, I barely even remember him. Like, I remember Chumpy being so embittered for washing out for being Coast Guard/Navy that he essentially became one of /ztg/ server's big Secret Club enthusiasts before he fucked off. And same with Canidae who (admittedly did get a bunch of shit, but also a lot of support), who left when her wife/whatever got sick, then left a nasty fuck you message to all her previous friends.


Was Moped part of the Sasha crew as well?

>>82897320
>e-dating Sasha
sasha constantly did that with everyone if I heard, like reapeatedly sext-ed with everyone she hoped to manipulate into being her pawn.

eventually she even got itty and enginetrap, though they did have a fallout and I heard enginetrap did regret following her advice, but well she still didn't come to apologize to kicking me out from her discord just because I was drawing pack street fanart, so I guess good for her, but i will only care if I actually see some development.

>>82897320
>Was Moped part of the Sasha crew as well?
he did appear in the threads to "dance on the grave of the ztg discord" after it was deleted. Not sure where he went after that, think he just dipped entirely.

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>>82883765
I really don't want to abandon zoot writing, I am trying to make the setting work with the sapient reptiles, I just don't know how yet. (Still going to go with the idea that at least birds and frogs are wild animals, because the world would be extreemly booring without wild-life and the challenges of protecting nature.)

Problems, I need to solve with my worldbuilding:
>1: Zootopia 1 used relative realism with biodiversity with the 1:9 predator:prey ratio. In number reptiles are just as numberous as mammals, so half the planet is reptile. Mammals represent multiple possible nationalities and so should reptiles. How does Zootopia as a nation not have any diplomatic relations with half of the planet?
>2: Its a MODERN animal society with internet and smartphones, yet mammals are so detached from reptiles, that they don't even know a reptile zootober or something, they ran at the sight of a snake like its a zombie?
>3: They used the word "mammals" interchangeably with "people" a lot in the first movie, "we mammals evolved", "ladies and gentle-mammals" so how is that justified without it making mammals as a group extremely disrespectful towards other forms of life
>4: The location of Reptile Ravine makes no sense, why would Agnes design it to be on the cold side of the wall in the first place. And it looks like its somewhere in the middle but when Judy looks for the Lighthouse, its away to the left in the mountains. So which is it?
>5: I want the focus of my stories to stay mammal vs mammal conflicts because they work better for human vs human prejudices. mammal vs reptile is like human vs martian to me. How do I keep the mammal worldbuilding narrative of the rest of the city and keep the reptiles off the "screen", without making it feel like that mammals still are oppressing reptiles?

I don't want to just create an AU, I want to find canon-conforming ways to solve these issues and I cant.

>>82894178
Yeah the Zootopia booru. There's fanart I wanted to see

>>82893338
The link is in the OP bro

>>82883765
>>82900282
I've been ccing here since like a week after the switch to trash

I definitely had less drive for world building the second time around, probably because there wasn't as much that was new.

As for what WAS new, I just don't care much for the snakes and reptiles, and I'm in no rush to figure out how to square them with the existing world building. I have a lot of unfinished or nearly finished content that will more or less ignore them. After that, maybe I'll start bringing them in in ways that make them fit MY world building, because I can keep that consistent.

But between Z2 being relatively meh and my truly hideous IRL schedule it's slow going.

>>82897513
Last I saw was him actually saying he was sorry for weavers loss
Also iirc Sasha cheated on him and kicked him out

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>>82897320
nobby even to this day has public shota art so idk why

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>>82901503

>>82901503
>>82897320
https://x.com/nobby___/status/1362135198113042433

Sasha's tweets got deleted when she basically nuked her Xitter, but Nobby's is still up.

>>82894362
>Sasha, Zhan and a few others publicly assassinate Weaver on Xitter, ABT (the big artist) backs off
https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/73867144/#73980282

Weaver confirmed that Sasha, Nobby and the rest stabbed him in the back seeing ABT drawing Pack Street. Any talks about a collaboration were in their infancy when the callouts happened.

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>>82901151
If CC's only write Z1 inspired work, I'd still read it, in fact, anything following Z2 would probably read as contrived as the movie was to watch.

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>>82901434
>sasha cheated on him and kicked him out
holy based. sasha btfo everyone and even got cub artists to embarass themselves by self reporting

>>82902172
and then got outed themselves lmao
many such cases

>>82901151
>>82900282

I can understand the idea of saying fuck it to Zoot2 but much like Classic+/Vanilla+ (Zoot1+ as you were), I feel it becomes harder to evolve the ideas when the movie is already out, esp for something as central to the setting as the Climate Wall or other countries.

>>82902620
Yeah i just know i would need to deal with someone asking it on a daily basis "where are the reptiles". So its hard for me to get excited about the idea of just... pretending the reptiles not existing.

I also planned to write pet reptiles, a cute K9 gecko Judy and Nick could've trained or something. Now i either deal with everyone mocking the idea for not following canon or abondoning it entirely. Neither feels enticing.

So i cant just ignore Z2 but i have no interest in writing using the wordldbuilding of Z2

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Get a load of this buttdick on Reddit

>>82904135
You should stay on Reddit while you're there

>>82902620
I guess I'm easy to please. I don't hate Z2 at all, and even liked Gary when I thought he may come off annoying. The writing could have been tweaked in places sure, but I feel that with a lot of things these days. I just figure reptiles weren't brought up in Z1 cause it wasn't important for that plot. Sure they didn't think up this story during Z1 but I don't think that makes it bad. I do wish we had more slow moments like going to the gala, getting dressed for it, investigating. It's like ALIEN vs ALIENS. Very different feels, but both great.

>>82901754
may alps rest in peace :v

Man why did we see Gary's mom before we saw Nick's

>>82907725
This

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>>82904549
It was poorly cobbled together, and the snake was still a bad idea.
Walking through the shops today, and spotted the hard cover Z2 story book.
Back in 2019, when I spotted a Z1 storybook, I bought two, sliced one up and scanned the whole thing (the mouse makes enough money), and put it up here for all to enjoy.
>https://www.ztarchive.com/trash/thread/21512800/21512800.html#p21537827
Today, I stared at it for about a minute, didn't even pick it up and flip through it, but just looked and went; 'Nah, can't be bothered'.

>>82904549
>Sure they didn't think up this story during Z1
It was already stated that Zootopia 2 was in the plans since the start.
Either way, this was mostly a feeling regarding the content creation so if you're the guy making a lot of reptile OCs and making a ton of Z2 content then I can see otherwise I'm not sure where this is coming from.