So, /sus/ what are we going to do on forward? It's very clear that the Susie we knew has been completely destroyed in the favour of a skinwalker who doesn't give a single shit about Kris besides as an easily disposable third wheel that she can use and shoo away at her pleasure.

>>83653984
>>83654044
Why the fuck is Susie hitting us with the "We'll always have Paris" bullshit and then CLOSING THE DOOR ON YOU AAAH

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>>83654068
Susie is, has, and always will be a heartless bully.
She’s the bad guy.

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Hopefully Kris kills this bitch

>>83654126
Can you please explain what this means? Like she's saying her and Kris will always close and then she just turns around and disproves it?

Also is she still hiding things from Noelle? Did that get brought up?

>>83654108
Appoint Jelly as the new lord and master of Deltarune seeing as he can write both adventure and romance.

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>>83654108
I will not give in to despair and continue to scour the update and post my favorite lizard until I can no longer

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You deltatroons are 5 chapters into your game and don't even know the main characters gender??

>>83654152
I hate how we're gonna have to side with them if Kris actually turns a coat

I would burn that entire shitty, stupid world to the ground if I could. None of them deserve Kris.

>>83654169
>five million scribbles on the same bg that never commit to the point of the general with ten thousand random OCs

Fun.

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>>83654068
Because Kris has by all intents and purposes been avoiding involving ANYONE but Susie. Kris never reinvited Berdly or Noelle or even suggest calling either despite both technically showing the compacity to help by choice. Susie is actively overstepping the original silent sorta agreement of it just being the two of them in these adventures mainly as their little secret alone and doing like with Noelle originally and letting her think it was a dream.
>>83654108
Same as always, its weird to think that a long time ago I said that reguardless of how it happened or was written Suselle wouldn't fly and that this chapter was gonna really be this incident because Suselle cancels out Krusie from a general perspective since nobody actually expects Toby to pull a thruple ending or that he's gonna hit the just friends ending. Same with /doe/ pretty much having it be that since Kris isn't directly a focus they'd turn on it all the same.

So /sus/ remains as is: The Fan works that mostly ignore it all or pretend it doesn't matter and never would. Nothing has really changed from before given how the last chapter ended things and /sus/ kept on and said it didn't matter then either since there were still some moments or the older moments before

>>83654159
You and Susie go on a long fucking walk talking about all the good times with just the both of you and how they were special and YOURS, but then they pretty much say "They can't just be just OURS anymore" And I read Kris as very..possessive, because like if you were going to add a friend that both of you know into a group why does it have to be some grand dramatic reveal that it's not just gonna be the two of you anymore. What's special about that if there isn't something seen as lost about it not just being the two of them. Like it's a sacrifice Susie knows they're making to include Noelle

>>83654228
Greenis!

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I'm gonna cope harder

>>83654152
I think the reason the Knight tries to kidnap Toriel, and successfully gets Asgore and Undyne is because they are the people most likely to try and stop Kris's sacrifice

Despite everything, it’s still you

>>83654314
That's the thing anon, it's why Kris is upset. It isn't stopping the sacrifice, it's who has to be done. Susie inviting Noelle back fully means Noelle now has to die because Susie originally took her place. Susie acted as a subverter to remove the direct need for the death of someone extremely close but as things have progressed that became far more complicated meaning now things are even worse

>>83654276
>>83654295
completely fake expression of friendship
a work week spent with kris amounts to nothing when its a half day of sporadic dark world shenanigans and a festival with noelle (and kris but she didn't care eanyway)

the fact that she didn't get kris ice cream makes me genuinely fucking depressed. susie's whole thing was making sure nobody gets left behind and that everybody goes as a group and she just FUCKING FORGOT KRIS

>>83654276
>>83654295
STOP ANON YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PLAY THE CHAPTER JUST KEEP DOOMPOSTING WITH YOU OR YOU'RE A COPING NIGGER

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>Kris was abandoned by Noelle who never really liked him
>Kris' brother isn't close with him anymore
>Kris spent chapter four trying to save the people from the church including his mother only for her to ditch him to get drunk with a skeleton and party so loud that he can't even sleep that night
>Apparently chapter five has Susie prioritize Noelle over him
This is getting depressing.

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>>83654152
>Kris goes full postal and you are given the option of being a little bitch and opposing him or feeding his demons and actually helping him
TOBY FOX, YOU FILTHY JEW, YOU CAN STILL SALVAGE THIS GAME!

so how did asgore react when he found out about ralsei/asriel?

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Hope you’re ready for the True Ending.

I said after the last chapter release i feel like the pacing as a whole is harmed, some characters are acting like there’s been months of time of development between them when in game it’s been a couple of days. I think Toby might have lost sight of that somewhat when writing them. A lot of issues could be solved if that was kept in mind

>>83654407
Man, Kris really needs a win. And a friend.

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>>83654469
See, now, this would actually be better than what we're getting, because it at least admits what Kris is going through. The reality is that we'll never even get the catharsis of the writing admitting that Kris is being treated like shit.

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>>83654400
Well I hate to break it to you, but that's not quite how she feels about it. Her and Lancer built a room for Noelle in Castle Town right next to hers btw.

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>>83654525
If Kris did kill himself, everyone would move on within a week. Nobody likes him.

>>83654276
We can make it if we try?

>>83654407
He's being built up as an incel school shooter
I'm not even joking, the signs are all there

>>83654569
Cmon that's being ridiculous. They'd take that long to even notice he's missing in the first place.

>>83654515
He still has us. It may not be ideal, but we’re all we have left.

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>>83654569
*I* wouldn't
I like Kris
I would burn that entire shitty world of his to give kris a happy ending

All I wanted was for my lil applenigga to get the happiness he deserves

>>83654592
Honestly with the whole them opening up the portals themselves, isn't it kinda already like that? He's just the one weird human kid who's kind of an after thought.

>>83654592
I guess we were right back in Chapter 1 days to think that Kris was Chara. This shit is ending with Hometown covered in dust.

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>>83654407
Susie kept secrets from Kris, is still keeping secrets about the Dark World from Noelle and now she's leaving out details to spend time with Noelle at the chagrin of Catti, just like Carol before. And all while somehow neglecting Kris's presence and her recurrent theme of keeping her friends equally close.

Susie's outcast tendencies are starting to turn into a bad case of aggressive contrarianism and insisting upon her own interests within the context of the story at Kris' personal and social expense. I'm not interested in it at all.

>>83654569
Finger on the Eject Button
>Who doesn't toy with the thought of suicide sometimes? Or, like, most of the time? Okay, maybe some people don't – like the happy scientist girl named Marie, or Jean-Marc, the superstar whom everyone loves. But you -- when the going gets rough, it's nice to think about your little trap door out of here. Do it. Put your finger on the eject button, see how alive it makes you feel -- the freedom of finality. Think of how much they'll *miss* you.

Just got the bad news, damn am I glad I decided to hold off on buying the game until the chapter was out.

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So I know this is a dumb fucking question at this point with an obvious answer but does the new chapter at least make Noelle any more interesting or give their relationship more depth?

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>>83653984
>>83654159
I thought for sure this ship was going to end with someone going "ha ha, is Susie like your girlfriend or something?" and Kris going "Ew what, no."
This is so much fucking worse.

>>83654667
Only in weird "route" (three minute cutscene). Otherwise both Susie and Noelle are doubling down on dykeshit and dismissing Kris as a person.

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What if Toby made Chapters 1 and 2 good for the demo, magnetizing people to buy the game, so later he could safely add whatever he wanted later?

>>83654616
>>83654621
>Despite everything
>He still has (you).

>>83654725
>Only in weird "route"
Not even that, weird route noelle only cares about the "new kris" (you)

>>83654736
Why would he need to do any of that? Have you the state of his fanbase, they'd gobble up everything he surely doesn't need us on his side.

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>>83654667
Everything Noelle does in this chapter feels like the built-up result of five chapters of trying to get serious with Susie, except Susie has always been braindead ignorant or perfectly complicit with you making decisions to upset the fact right in front of her, like the broom closet scene at the start of Chapter 2 or Chapter 4's ditch-and-dine. Which is to say, none of how she behaves is surprising and her lack of restraint comes back to bite her in the ass near the end of the Suselle lake scene as she blows off Carol's phone call by telling her "I REALLY like Susie!" and then hanging up, unaware that her mother was calling because her father just had a potentially critical accident elsewhere. Furthermore, concession stand dialogue implies that Noelle is hesitantly open to the idea of "watching." So... yeah.

It isn't Noelle who is at fault, because she's always been this way. It's Susie performance that flies against everything built up and expected of her.

>>83654616
Speak for yourself i fucking hated him the second i realised he was working with the knight

>>83654799
>as she blows off Carol's phone call by telling her "I REALLY like Susie!"
Don't tell me it actually is in the game, holy fuck.

>>83654799
A simple "No, her only character trait is still just yuri" would have saved you some typing time.

>>83654616
>>83654741
Not for much longer. Two more chapters and credits roll, even the thing Kris cages slipping away from him.

>>83654799
>unaware that her mother was calling because her father just had a potentially critical accident elsewhere.
Did Rudy bite it offscreen?

i can't believe we got a human flowey this chapter

>>83654883
He "fell down." He was tinseling town hall on a very tall ladder earlier on, but I can't imagine he was still doing that late enough into the day for the scene to change.

>>83654883
He was on a ladder ealier and he "fell down"

>>83654883
im guessing so

>>83654819
Is it really a bad thing to work with the Knight at this point?

Honestly I have no more romantic cope, I just have Schrodinger writer cope. if chapter 6 (seeing as Chapter 6 will have no B side) is just You, Noelle, Ralsei and Susie. Then like come on, you can all see it too right? It would be such an obvious writing thing to do in fact I don't think there is any way to avoid it!

Boom, new dark world. Oh time for a whole new fun adventure, but I guess Noelle will be with us and thats fine! Yep ha ha super great! Okay Susie I think me and you should go handle this puzzle over here! "Yeah no Kris I tihnk me and Noelle will do that, you should do it with Ralsei" O-oh yeah that's fine no yeah that makes sense ha ha yep!

I mean come on I can see Ralsei and Kris having some type of rift moment because Kris gets so tilled that he's alone again and the only coping mechanism he has is the obvious schizo manifestation of his brother and the personification of a missing person.

>>83654799
If Rudy died or had his condition worsen off screen, Noelle can’t be forgiven. I’d feel incredibly bad for Carol too.

>>83654927
Had he started doing it after this chapter i could've sympathized with him

>>83654960
That was after Rudy personally vouched for Susie to Carol, which is the reason the three of you are even able to interact at the Festival without her interference, or at least it's implied that way. The #1 Suselle guy getting taken down right after a Suselle crescendo isn't really the path I wanted laid out for the guy, but man.

>>83654799
>the lesbian who you're supposed to believe is super uwu cute and wholesome is by far the most vile person in the entire game
Strangely realistic

>>83654944
if she learns that rudy died offscreen than she might get depression solid and be too busy with that than go in adventure with you

hey, that might be the crash out in chapter 6 in fact
susie and noelle having a fallout due to the rudy subject

guh that sounds like a setup for a makeout scenario toward the end
hopefully it doesn't
probably the conclusion to that fallout will be chapter 7

>>83655023
See I think it would be extremely possible for them to go on the adventure in the Dark World FIRST and Noelle having the time of her life hanging out with Susie, only for them to get out and realize Rudy is either in hyper crtical condition or is dead. Leading into Chapter 7 where Noelle needs to be consoled, Kris is doing freak portal shit and Gaster comes out with his big cock and promises a new world. New timelines where Dess never disappeared, Rudy never died, Papyrus actually didn't hang himself in his room and Asriel came back from college early and that was what Kris was working for this whole time. A way to spin back the clock to make everything perfect, to make everything right, they don't want to move for they want to go back to the past. But to do that he needs to get everyone they care about trapped in the dark world, it's the only way for their essence to be transfered over to the new alternate reality, One where monsters are all underground and humans rule on the surface.

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>>83655019
Copium:
She still cares somewhat. That sigh in the piano scene might just be her reminiscing about old days and/or getting confused about her feelings. Haven't seen any other egregious screenshots aside from when Kris isn't present.

I just actually hate this entire franchise now. I can’t even fap to the porn anymore, it just all sucks. Everything sucks. Everything jewy and sucks and we’re running out of oil because we can’t tell jews no. All Toby ever knew how to do is subvert, he can’t make anything himself, just proxies for his disconnect with other people’s ideas and now he’s the ideas and they suck. Fuck Toby, fuck Deltatroon, fuck america and fuck the jews. I’m gonna just work on my own minecraft server alone and let this whole world rot I hate all of you in it.

>>83655091
fucking addition chap 7 B side shit happens and Noelle doesn't even CARE that her dad is dying because she's so in love with (YOU) that she believe she has the power to do anything and everything!

>>83655103
>she totally cares guys!!!
>yes, she gets annoyed every single time kris dares to stand in the way of her and susie
>and yes, when she hears about kris possibly going back to something that meant a lot to her she instantly tries to make it about herself and gets disappointed when susie doesn't just turn it into a date
>but she totally cares!!
>the textbox says she cares, so that means she does!!!!

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oh my fucking god

>>83655103
She's sighing because Susie keeps inviting Kris and not taking the hint

>>83655138
It sucks but this is the case.

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>>83654799
I feel I said it really good long ago: Susie doesn't know what romance or friendship actually was.

For her Kris and Noelle are very much the same: Both are the only people who have ever tried to be nice to her; with Kris his mostly somewhat like her and seemingly mostly simple, with Noelle though it becomes weird and unclear. Originally she was the first nice one but she also never engaged with Susie after leading her to mostly just lock the moment in her mind to not bully Noelle over that once nice moment but since Ch 2 Noelle spoke far more about what things were leading to more confusion in the little Susie understood and knew about other people leading her to do something she never felt she had to with Kris and tread a weird line of trying to dig into Noelle for more blunt honesty since she's always clearly lying or hiding something but now she's actually feeling attached to Noelle and Unlike Kris she can't view Noelle as self sufficient enough on her own.

For as much as things seem a certain way, /sus/ always kept reading these moments as a non one sided Romance on more than just Noelle's side when the truth is that for as much as it always seemed like Kruis it really was just snoot on the head. Something just like Mae and Bea where it's great in perspective but at the same time horrendously not canon due to in universe comments.

>>83655122
pretty much
would explain why weird route miss chapter 6

wake up without news of what happened to rudy to go on a joy ride... wherever chapter 7 happens.
finally learn what happened to rudy earlier, but she doesn't care anymore
or she get mind broken even harder

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>>83655136
Kris needs to hurt them. They’re terrible friends.

>>83655122
she does care, you misinterpreted that anon's post. carol calls her to tell noelle what happened to rudy, but before she can say anything, noelle assumes it's nothing important so she just tells off her mom and shuts off the phone. it's only afterwards when carol calls back that noelle listens, hears the news and it hits her all at once

>>83655187
Too bad this is wrong. Susie explicitly bullied and threatened to murder Kris because she was jealous, and wanted Noelle to be her girlfriend.

>>83655242
No no you misunderstand. in the Bside route for Chapter 5 Noelle goes schizo and the chapter pretty much says "Comeback in chapter 7" so I'm assuming that in that B side Noelle doesn't even care anymore about anything outside of (YOU)

>>83655201
>>83655122
I feel that goes more in the direction of her doing what she was stated to do after Dess went missing: Going to stand in front of the freezier. The only version to not care would be weird route Noelle who does the same with the video game when they played in the hospital. Normal route Noelle likely just suddenly blocks off from everyone and just recedes and fully obeys her mom going forward. Someone who fully starts blaming the fact she missed something important for once trying to be selfish toward herself

>>83655242
and in the weird route, noelle miss the call entirely

and in the weird route, noelle got a... weird mentality
so if she learn, she might not care anymore

Incel route Kris will make Snowgrave look like a fangame
Trust.

>>83655288
that sounds like how chapter 6 would go

>Susie only picked on Kris because she was jealous and thought he and Noelle were a couple
>as soon as that's deconfirmed she immediately goes all in on getting with her and strongarming Noelle into future adventures
>Kris' opinion on the matter isn't considered, and she is suddenly quick to forget he's even present when sitting right next to him if Noelle is there

WHY

>>83655310
Enbies can’t be incels.

>>83655136
>Kris bullied noelle because she was jealous of him and Noelle
>Because she was jealous of this girl who gave her like one pencil once
HahahahahahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

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How is this real lmaoooo

>>83655288
And Carol would be 100% correct in that case.

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>>83654644
>Good ending is accepting people walking all over you and getting over it
>Bad ending is killing everyone in rage
Neither is good

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>>83655269
Susie does that to everyone though, Kris was just the least receptive to her threats so she kept escalating them but canonically never once actually goes all in on harming Kris beyond shoving against lockers or throwing apples, never anything that would cause mass injury but enough that a person should normally give up or stay away entirely.
>>83655276
Noelle views the entire situation as a game and now has the notion she can do far more than should be possible thanks to (YOU) meaning that as long as she gets strong nothing matters because she can make the world anything she wants: Fix her dad, get her sister back, be more bold, etc. If it's all a game, she can choose the ending she wants and if things go wrong just do it all over again

>>83655288
now the meme of asgore running over dess would be noelle deliberately being a doe in the traffic

>>83655336
She was jealous of Kris, not Noelle.

>>83655331
Male ones are the biggest incels of all

If my copium was right and dragons dogma 2 can get its dlc, I can hopium my way through DR

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>>83655394

>>83655136
>>83655346
Anyone able to confirm if this is real? If so I will not bother with the new chapter, just delete it and leave a negative review.

all this is just making me think we need someone who actually cares about susie as a character to write a better story for her, cause toby sure as hell doesn't.

>>83655420
"she" refers to noelle btw

So everything was fake? Susie was just... using Kris as a vehicle to get to Noelle?

>>83655420
That's a threat, yes. She does literally nothing with it after and even when Ch 1 starts she goes right back to threatening the same violence before just giving up without even putting her full teeth onto Kris

>>83655461
Yep. That’s all it ever was.

>>83655387
True

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i'm starting to be glad that i never played any further than chapter 2

>>83655387
Why is it bad to take action against people who walk all over you?

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Good lord how hasn't he killed himself yet?

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>susie's entire establishing relationship with kris and the origin of their friendship is because she was under a false impression that kriselle was a real and that it made her violently envious

Okay Toby.

>>83655187
slightly off topic but i want to fuck bea up the ass

>>83655626
>"I-is that someone being slightly friendly with a girl who gave me a pencil once?"
>"I FUCKING HATE YOU AND I HOPE YOU DIE"

/doe/ here, this is a fucking nightmare, how are you guys holding up

>>83655661
I can't even be mad anymore, honestly. I'm just laughing at the absurdity of it all.

>>83655661
I never should've trusted toby to make something good.

>>83655394
Goes back into the theme of control, gaining a high amount of it while also losing it at the same time.

>>83655650
But I thought Kris had fully cut himself off from Noelle at that point. How does that make sense?

>>83655661
I'm also from /doe/ and I literally couldn't tell the two threads apart at the moment. Might've accidentally crossposted, too.

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>>83655443
Toby cared, it just wasn't the direction you wanted.

You were told at basically every turn what these relationships would be and kept thinking he'd subvert the implication he started back in 1 but Toby is still the same guy who wrote undertale and has all of the same shortcomings. You treated this like Fujimoto.

Regardless this first week is gonna be some of you bums doomposting for well the same thing CSM fans did back then. In a lot of funny ways, I did predict that the moment Toby committed to what he was setting up the same people would turn on him despite the obvious and even exact predictions on what it meant the moment a full chapter where he actually wants to build up Noelle and Susie's dynamic, which people kept complaining about before being too nothing, but since it isn't susie turning on noelle now it sucks forever.

Either way, this will blow over just like with ch 2 since all the whining is simply based on the fact no copes came true. Hell nobody even wants to think more on things now, it's just since Susie & Noelle ain't down for Kris now both are traitors to all instead of well caring about any of the friendship Kris and Susie had up to this point. Fells a bit against the spirit of a story all about making a friend and saving a friend

>>83654616
>”WHAT WILL YOU HAVE AFTER 7 CHAPTERS?!”
>”…(You). I’d still have (You)…”

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what did she mean by this?

>>83655661
Susie being canonized as a spiteful and jealous person wasn't on my bingo card, and especially not for the sake of something as petty and hamfisted as a relationship with Noelle. She still hasn't apologized for the Chapter 1 behavior, by the way.

I guess that explains why she never considered Noelle a friend; she was always something more to her. Bravo on hiding that for eight years so you can nuke your fandom with it, I guess.

>>83654745
Isn’t she lowkey scared of us though? I can’t recall exactly..

>>83655742
Kris is afraid of octagons.

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>>83655694
Kris did but Noelle was still TRYING to be his friend and interact with him any chance they could.

I find it funnier people are taking the line fully straight with no thoughts on anything behind it or a reason for it to change or be a lie or more of Susie's confusing dynamic of understanding relationships of all kinds. reminds me a lot of other stuff, though makes me feel nobody here cared as much for the story itself.
>>83655791
If I recall wasn't the sweepstakes stuff put into dubious canon a while back rather than full

>>83655742
Dess?

>>83655394
honestly holy fuck based off of all the bullshit I just stated. The ending of Deltarune Literally could just be Kris being the final boss after a schizo break down, realizing your uselessness in the grand scheme of their loneliness and just starts moving heavy to reshape the world so they can be whole again. He disappeared Rudy and everyone in town all he needs to do is disappear Noelle and Susie next, that way when it's time to start things a new, everyone will be in the new universe!

Just gotta stop the heart from doing anything funky and running their plan. But thats when the Heart finds the Vessel, and Goes up to Noelle Ralsei and Susie to come together to stop Kris at the end of it all.

>>83655813
Why would Susie be lying? You need to put the copium down.

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>>83655638
No me to that's on topic, reptiles should be fucked in the ass.

>>83655791
It's odd on what that relationship is, she's scared but equally seems either controlled or willingly acting after the thorn ring since she shows up on her own back in ch2's final boss and does it after being asked. A big part of ch 2 was ASKING/TELLING her to do it and she had to willingly still abide by the commands and even when she did she just bailed afterward till the end.
>>83655869
For the same reason she invited Noelle in, smashed the mural, and why she actively aligned with Gerson: She wants an ending of her own choices. If that means making sure of certain things being held off from direct speech or otherwise she's gonna do it. Besides, there can be lies in truthful statements. The reason is the same.

Also I mean kind ignores that Kris being a dick at that time means that may have been a big reason for why her thinking they were an item also lead her to targeting Kris. Like how Catti blames Kris for letting Susie hang out around Noelle last chapter, you're reading straight rather than adding full context

>>83655136
Is this actually real. Please tell me this is fake

>>83655978
No. It’s real. Susie alway wanted to be with Noelle, and doesn’t care that Kris saved her life more than once, and helped her in ways Noelle never did.

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From /doe/

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>>83655822
Kris is the Vessel, that's the sad truth. I can't remember the post or whatever, but a long while back an Idea was Kris was and always has been the vessel or accurately the SOUL itself but knows that this story ends with Kris having to lose one or the other along with leaving all of this behind. Kris was never truly part of this story, having usurped the role from 'someone' else in the first place.

So Kris tried to make it so things only work when they exist, so they don't have to go back to where it all started. This story ends when Kris lets go or someone finds them freedom from the Cage

>>83654649
Let's not pretend Kris isn't actively opening fountains behind her back and working with the villains though.

>>83656096
everyone in this story is shitty except for lancer

>Jealousy motivation thrown in despite it being established she was a generally antisocial bully in earlier chapters
Damn they assassinated Susie's character hard. Like this is as bad as when the boys had butcher's character butchered in season 2 to "mad about wife" (so not season 3 butcher butchering bad).
I think I just hate when a character's established motives get replaced with a pettier one.

You could just accept that what makes them great friends is that Kris and Susie are the exact same even now. both are betraying everyone for the ending they seek and trying to make that ending the happy one without killing everyone or having to truly abandon others

>>83656117
Those aren't mutually exclusive, hell the jealousy thing was there before but originally aimed toward Kris having Toriel before Susie actually met her remember? Let's not be revisionist now

>>83656117
Butcher was already assassinated in Season 1 with everyone else.

>>83656150
Kris wanted to be friends with Susie, and genuinely loved spending time with her. I can’t say the same about Susie anymore.

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>>83655626
>>83656117
I can't even look at the art the same way anymore.

>>83655661
In absolute awe, i expected the game to shit the bed but this eclipses anything i could've imagined

>>83656182
Honestly, same. I don't think I can enjoy Krusie or even Kriselle anymore after seeing how badly those stupid whores treated mah boy. Nobody deserves this.

>>83656182
This. Probably gonna delete everything soon

>>83656180
Kris didn't always want that, hell Kris didn't even intend for it. There's an entire chance that her purpose and the constant shame/sadness expressed around her was always due to the fact Kris planned to sacrifice her in exchange for Dess and just needed someone no one would miss but then actually got to know her and felt bad about it as things have gone but but still resolved to not tell her anything because as Susie once said "It's a forgone conclusion" and its had to be her and Noelle.

>>83656150
I guess so but like
That sill is different from relationship drama
And feels more tragic than "no that's my doe" like Kris and Susie are like two dogs fighting over a deer's body
Actually even that would at least be more engaging than third wheel

>a fucking love triangle
>in 2020+6
People think this guy's writing is good?

>>83656071
Adding onto my previous theory. I really do think Chapter 6 will start with them going into a Dark world immediately as a 4man, Noelle never getting the conclusion of the call that Carol made, not understanding that Rudy is legit on deaths door. They go into the Dark world, Finish it up and then they see Rudy there inside the dark world either clearly dead or dying and THATS how Noelle figures out what Carol was calling her about. That's when the Knight comes through to whisk rudy away, but it's like, softer/gentler maybe a little more somber.

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Just beat it, the yuri subplot was less interesting than dark world stuff
Overall 4/5

>>83654212
Its kept ambiguous for the small minority of female and ‘female’ players, just download mods to fix pronouns

>>83656336
There's no triangle, Susie only tolerated Kris so that she can get into Noelle's pants and Noelle hates Kris like everything else her current life consists of, except of course the girl who's actually exciting to be with.

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>>83656278
Well one must consider that, as Susie concealed, someone has to die in all this. The closer either get the worse this ends for Noelle no matter who choses her, it's likely why Kris always avoided her and distanced for what must be done in the plan. Kris keeps her distant because Kris cares but Susie wants her to join because she cares.

Caring for her leads her to once again being the center of the end of the world no matter how much they care for her, and that not even in a romantic sense for either. This whole story hinges on a plan we still don't know, a missing girl tied to Noelle, and a route tied to Noelle being a center of also being compatible with the SOUL despite everything.

Caring for Noelle, no matter the intention, leads to the same road. The story is still written but Noelle is the one unknowingly holding the pen

>>83656212
>>83656220
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5ioFAGyx1M
me with my krusie folder

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>>83656182
I just can't understand... everything was about Noelle from the start. Noelle was reckless enough go overboard with this knowing Kris was there, and she unknowingly blew off the news that her father might be dead tomorrow and Susie, seemingly so deprived of attention and love, took Noelle's small act of charity (that occurred entirely in supplemental ARG material) was enough to smite her, keep that fact from everyone, obsess over it to the point that she saw Noelle's OWN attempts to reconnect with Kris and build their childhood friendship back together as the two of them being a couple. And then she bullies Kris out of envy, assaults them, lies about Toriel... and none of this is even revealed until it is made explicit to Kris that Susie and Noelle have dated and are ostensibly a couple. She went out of her way after the credits to make a home for Noelle right next to her while Kris is alone. She didn't brood for Kris, she didn't come back for Kris at the end of the last Chapter, she just flipped it all up to stick it to the mayor. Except even that's not true because apparently she always had feelings for her...

I... I don't know man. This is a side of Susie that I didn't think was possible. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to think of her anymore.

>>83656364
I feel the reveal may be his recovery or being left drastically crippled but if he shows up in the Dark World the revelation being he played a role in Dess's disappearance or Kris/SOUL's original arrival in a way that drives a final rift in Noelle's family life leading to her truly having no more trust or faith in any of her family and even doubts about Dess which causes issues with the Knight. Him dying feels far too typical since he's done nothing but been in recovery the entire time

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Fuck it! I'm making my own theory.
Kris was already dead from suicide before Chapter 1 and we are controlling his corpse because either...
>A) We are the demon Catti and Kris Summoned.
>B) The one who gave us Kris put us in there because it was more convenient and when we are out of it, Kris' ghost or the demon is controlling him.
But Anon why did Kris kill himself? Because Toby made it a point that Kris' life sucks.
>Barely anyone in Hometown cares about him.
>He's literally the only human in hometown.
>Those that did care about left him to do their own thing.
>He was bullied by Susie.
>Noelle pretty much so pitties him at this point.
>Asriel is in college.
>Dess is missing/dead.
>Rudy is dying.
>Mayor Holiday is just using him.
>His parents are divorced with his mom being a drunk and his father being obsessed with proving himself innocent.
Face it. We're puppeting a corpse.

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finally free from work able to actually play and see for myself
on the way home I had a mild freak out and then resolidified my faith
and if against all reason this is Toby's true vision, then I will make my own story where the quiet boy gets the weird rough girl, and the not so villainous villain has a lisp.

Imagine shitshow if Knight actually Kris's inner demons or something. And this is all some sort of commentary

>>83655346
So the way I see it, this convo recontextualizes Susie into a self-centered bitch who is a fun buddy to hang out with and a reliable ally in need whenever it is not obstructive to her, but who 1. does not actually value her friendships and only cares about others' feelings at surface level; 2. jumps to spitefulness at anyone who she perceived as hostile or even just inconvenient to herself AND doesn't see this as a serious flaw of herself.
Holy shit Susiefags, I'm sorry. She really was Toby's Vriska all along.

>>83656442
Susie used Kris to get to Noelle because she wants what she thinks Kris "has"
Kris was a fun time but Noelle's the real prize

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>>83656442
The worst part is that she wasn’t lying about Toriel being happier without Kris in her life. She was 100% right.

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>>83656442
That's some actual good Susie writing, she's gone from the Bully, to reluctant friend who was misunderstood to now the why of her focus on Kris. Jealously has oddly been a core to her and in some ways it may be more true that as she admitted way back in 2 she wondered if Kris would have even been her friend if they didn't end up in the Dark World that day. She has shown a general Jealousy to Kris's life while also having the compacity to be the exact same as Kris.

With even THAT Prophecy glass, it's more accurate to say something nobody thought about: Kris maybe somehow stole her life given she maybe was supposed to have a sword and the SOUL which "Kris" Rejects while the Vessel is supposedly missing.

Kris maybe wasn't supposed to exist, a notion that leads to its own kind of envy and jelousy, so what if Kris just took the SOUL and changed things around one day, maybe Dess knew and maybe that's why she had to go.

Only They know

>>83656742
>Kris maybe somehow stole her life given she maybe was supposed to have a sword and the SOUL which "Kris" Rejects while the Vessel is supposedly missing.
So you're telling me Susie is actually the real Kris and we're puppeteering something else? Suselle is actually Kriselle in disguise? Holy fucking cope.

>>83656537
>This is… an empty… shell…
Please don’t. I just want Kris to be happy. Nothing else matters.

On the one hand I feel bad for kris, on the other he doesn't seem to mind... he doesn't seem to mind literally anything actually.
Has anything actually ever been shown to actually bother Kris? Even in episode 1 when Susie was about to maul his face off he didn't really seem to give a shit.

>>83656742
I don't know. Beyond Susie and Noelle both being a study in the dangers of overreacting to feelings that should be kept tempered or casual, my only remaining reservation is that the shattered Prophecy panel in some way implicates the death of Susie or the doe, because if you know you are someone else will soon perish (We won't let that happen, will we?) you'd do everything in your power to live it to your fullest or give them everything they could want. Does that make sense? It feels too narrow, but... I don't like it at all.

It plays very directly with how I liken Susie to a greedy dragon that is fiercely possessive of its hoard, and Chapter 4 was the lynchpin to that perception. I really, really hate it, but I just CAN'T say it doesn't make some sense.

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One of Toby's first note before he even started working on the game was about Kris and Susie cuddling and you're telling me he wrote this?

>>83656797
More like none of this story should have happened, Susie was supposed to live a normal life, Hometown was never meant to have a human, the Dark Worlds were never meant to intersect, and Kris. Both parts were never meant to roam and gain sense of self. The interference changed how things were supposed to be and now the core crack in that problem is none other than Noelle for reasons not known, hell maybe she's the cause or the one meant to be the unknown hero or villain or the story with how her role is different on two sides

>>83656915
He never said cuddling, he just said snout on head

>>83656915
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he put in a scene with susie resting her chin on Noelle's head instead.

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As a /doe/fag first and foremost, I don't care. I'm still staying hopeful for Kriselle and Krusie.

>>83656915
Noelle is actually Toby's self insert, not Kris, this is all a leadup to his transition announcement
>made cringe blogs about obscure games
>is a total yurihead
>probably other stuff I don't know much about toby desu

The player is actually benevolent and trying to save Kris from killing himself over all his terrible friends and family.

>>83656891
He threw his Soul into the trash can, dude. Literally threw his own heart away.

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I may be in denial, I do not know, there's still some undiscovered stuff
but I still believe in Krusie, as an ideal, regardless of if it happens in the game or not.

>>83656994
Then you’re delusional. It’s not happening unless we make it happen ourselves.

>>83657006
If my Jimminy Cricket was acting uppity I'd smash him down too.

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>>83656893
Susie, even if she were told someone she knew had to die for the world to be saved, wouldn't willingly let it happen. She'd be doing everything she can to subvert that death regardless of if it were to doom everyone or just give unknown results.

I hate to say it but Susie is like Denji, even if it means the end of everything she risk everything to make her own ending even if it eventually blows up in her face. All because she cares, cares about Kris and Noelle, cares about the Dark World, Cares about these small things only matter to her and all she has

>>83657022
Cope, new endgame is let everyone die and save only Kris

>>83657060
>All because she cares, cares about Noelle, cares about the Dark World, Cares about these small things only matter to her and all she has
FTFY

>>83657022
Susie is so reprehensibly shitty now that there’s nothing that can salvage it for me now.

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>>83657033
Don't care.

Toby Fox is 34 years old and STILL a yurifag.
Realistically, he should have left that phase 2 decades ago.

>>83656915
wedged somewhere between the scene of susie kneeling like she's offering a ring to noelle and carrying her like a bride into the lake

huh... actually... suselle and the weird route's drowning scene being paralleled is kind fucking bad, huh?

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If this is how Toby treated both ships , wtf he gonna do with Gaster / Knight storyline?

>>83657060
Susie already made her choice, unlike Denji, and is going to win too.

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>/doe/ will be filled with weirdroute coomers
>/sus/ will be filled with dooming
How long until both threads recover?

There are no redeemable characters they all deserve to disappear

>>83657112
>both ships
Well there was only ever 1, after all Susie and Kris are just friends to him
>>83657119
She hasn't, originally she said to keep Noelle out, now she's decided bringing her in is the safer option, now she wants to do anything she thinks will give her the best ending

>>83657144
I don't know man, /doe/ is on even higher DEFCON level. Snowcoomers weren't regulars there anyway.

>>83656537
>Noelle pretty much so pitties him at this point.
I'm sorry where is proof of that? I thought they had a pretty good childhood together. I think the closest example of "pity" you have is all the way back in chapter 1 when Noelle offers you to join her and Berdly for the project.

>>83657166
She already chose Noelle over Kris. Now he’s just their third wheel cuck forever.

>>83657179
>Snowcoomers weren't regulars there anyway.
Neither were a certain other group of fans yet they wormed their way in.
But also if /doe/ can survive and bounce back after the weird route scene in chapter 4 being the only Noelle content, there may be hope still.

>>83656915
Rests her head while she thinks about Noelle

Honestly, with how some of you guys talk, it almost sounds like a few of you sorta deserve this with how quick you turn on these characters.

Hell nobody sounds even interested in the actual story to come or rest of the Kris secrets, just the fact Kris isn't getting romantic with the childhood friend for former bully turned bestie

Berdly is Kris's only true friend

>>83657231
Is there an egg in Chapter 5? I couldn't find any clues to where it is.

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I lost all my motivation to buy this game. I go buy Enter the Gungeon or something

>>83657231
Honestly I was completely fine with this ship sinking and I was going to take it with grace until I saw the jealousy stuff, that was pretty ass.

>>83657279
steam sale is tommorrow

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>>83657268
I'm not good at finding those so I really don't know

>>83657208
Just say it, Kressfags. They're cucked too, Dessriel confirmed and so it Kris's unrequited crush for her.

>>83657231
The context around the relationship is why it's garbage. It makes Susie into a gigantic asshole. Any normal person looking in from the outside would think Susie/Noelle is a weird relationship because of the context given.

>>83657300
good

>>83657231
Yeah some people are laying it kinda thick but there were so many fucking moments that made me go "Does Toby fucking hate Kris? Why would Susie DO that?"
The moss thing, the piano thing, the ice cream thing.
It all turns Susie into an asshole.

>>83657231
What story to come? Loreslop? The characters I enjoyed no longer exist, so there is no reason for me to follow it.

I still can't tell what the story is actually building up to.

>>83657268
Who cares, egg won't undo a story.

>>83657344
Evangelion Rebuild where Kris fucks off to another universe because his current life sucks

Maybe Kris should just go gay.

>>83657231
>with how quick you turn on these characters.

Susie pulled a narrative 180 by admission of jealousy for a person you'd never think she was smart enough to clue in on the mutual feelings of.

>>83657324
I wonder if (as I'm typing this I realize no there won't be) there will be any backlash like there was with the thorn ring

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today's true winner

>>83657384
Absolutely not.
People are really touchy with rape it was inevitable that would get backlash with the imagery it had.
This on the other hand is a lesbian couple, so Toby will have hordes and hordes of yurifags defending him.
The community sees him as a straight guy anyways so none of deltarune's communities are ever gonna go up to bat for Kris. Especially because people hate him for not being a good little Vessel.

>>83657367
For who? His homunculus based on his brother? Nobody wants Kris.

>>83657442
The soul. He can start putting it in his ass instead of his chest.

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>>83657435
Turns out his greatest rival ends up being his only (girl)friend.

>>83657384
The "backlash" over the ring scene was from a small minority, I don't know why people keep pretending like Toby backpedaled when it was clear he didn't intend for it be a deflowering allegory. (The allegory doesn't even hold up with what's happening now)

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The Trouble Throuple is your only hope. Embrace it.

>>83657487
I’d rather die than lower myself to that level.

>>83654819
Yeah, I’m not getting the folks who are now saying they’d screw everyone over all because of Noelle and Susie.

>>83657479
>(The allegory doesn't even hold up with what's happening now)
Yes because he rewrote the chapter out of spite. Explains why there are leftovers like >>83655103 when in practically every other scene Noelle casts Kris off to not interrupt on her quality sapphic bonding time.

>>83657461
We’re his only friend.

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You guys suffering is funny to me. Game was trash from the start

https://youtu.be/fnlVC3rQ7bw?si=lBJEnSvhAxU7A2Sn

It's actually insane how the Weird Route has Susie being more attentive, noticing Kris is suffering and doing everything she can to cheer them up
Hell she even buys Kris an ice cream which is more than she does in the normal festival

>>83657435
>>83657461
You're not helping.

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>>83657505
Then perish.

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>>83657487
I was a throuple fag but if this is the way it starts I don't want it.

>>83657517
>Noelle casts Kris off to not interrupt on her quality sapphic bonding time.
You mean other than the fact she has no issue when you choose to do activities with her?
>Rewrote the chapter out of spite
You're literally just making shit up at this point. Where's your evidence for that?

>>83657487
Dude Kris couldn't even be considered a third wheel at the festival, no way he's getting it on with them.

>>83657288
>>83657324
Is it really all that different from how she was jealous of Kris's mom being seemingly good. Susie has seemingly always been jealous of Kris, this just means it's always been more than one thing, it's never been just about Kris in single moments or on something specific, it's everything. Susie was always like this, pretending her bully era didn't exist is disingenuous as well as the whole writing it off to not actually be any part of her and just an act like people did after chapter 5. All of tat came from somewhere and it wasn't just some anomalous projection. Much of that distain was always genuine, it was always gonna be genuine as the fact that most here said wasn't true is that if there were no Dark Worlds, no Chapter 1, Susie would still have been the same person she was. Kris would never have been her friend outside of that situation back then even before hand even if they had similar interests and habits.

Susie has many sides, you already learned and accepted a bully wasn't all she was but then turned that into just being misunderstood was everything along with the whole brought up never apologizing bit(which this kinda explains) as she may not have ever really been sorry over that since it was motivated and something she couldn't say sorry for since she wouldn't have meant it then.
>>83657382
To be fair here, I'm very sure the only difference is because Noelle is very blunt on her romantic intentions compared to what the game allows Kris to do, beyond that "Mutual feelings" doesn't exactly describe Susie as to her it's all general caring and feelings she isn't naming while Noelle feels they've gotten close but hasn't made that last step to actually asking if they're dating or if Susie loves her. Susie cares on all sides, Noelle is also very weak so Susie treats her like a snowflake. Romance is coming but its not clicking yet, Susie literally shared a room and bed with Kris before and didn't pick up on shit

>>83657487
Say say "your" only hope. But I'm not Kris.

>>83657568
>she wouldn't have meant it then
Well of course, she doesn't need to so much as pretend to be sorry now that she nows Noelle never gave a singular shit about Kris.

>>83657568
To be fair, I think there's a bit of a world of difference of "being jealous of having a loving family because you dont have that" and" "wanting to fuck the presumed girlfriend of a guy and bullying them because of it" you know?

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>>83657619
Well she wants what Kris has so if her view was that she thought Kris and Noelle were an item, that means she wants to be an item with Noelle because Kris was

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They never cared about Kris, they were only about each other and Kris was just in the way. Maybe he’ll even be written out of the prophecy too, why not? Maybe Susie’s half human and Noelle can be the monster and Kris and You can just DIE and make everyone happier.

>>83657585
Oh but you are, the SOUL is still Kris. They both are but one wants to reject that reality and script, one wants a different kind of freedom beyond themself. That is the body which now rejects the one who used to own it if this body was even theirs in the first place.

Kris is missing but Kris is still around to find Kris, one has to die by the end of this so the other gets to be free.

>>83657726
>Oh but [SCHIZOPHRENIA]

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>>83657635
I laughed

>>83657487
Them inviting Kris as the pity 3rd wheel is even more embarrassing than him dying a incel cuck

>>83657650
Susie has acted like a brick wall with Noelle regarding romance up until this point. We're supposed to believe she always wanted Susie when nothing she has done indicated that?

>>83657726
>>83657762
I hate to tell you this, but "Kris is so mentally unwell that the body and soul are now two separate personalities" is an idea that I've seen around for at least a year now.

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>>83657802
>We're supposed to believe she always wanted Susie
>Noelle

>>83657802
Yep, that’s the canon. That’s the story Toby took eight years to not even be finished with.

>>83657762
You should learn to stop rejecting the inevitable direction this thing is taking, you've already made it to today and saw where that's gonna lead.

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>I would often go there
>To the tiny church there
>The smallest church in Hometown
>Though it once was larger

>How the rill may rest there
>Down through the mist there
>Toward the Seven Sisters
>Toward those white cliffs there

>I would ofter stay there
>In the tiny yard there
>I have been so glad here
>Looking forward to the past here

>But now you are alone
>None of this matters at all

>>83657459
top kek

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>>83656212
guess it's time for Kremmie
>after the dust settles, Kris walks away
>Susie and Noelle are too busy with each other to notice his absence
>abandoned by the friend he thought he had reconnected with, and the friend he thought understood him
>he left hometown, hitching rides just to get as far away as possible
>a few years later and he's working as a cashier at grocery store in a small city with a large majority human population
>he's surviving
>managed to find an apartment cheap enough to rent with his meager salary
>his entire life is reduced to working and rotting at home
>one day while working, a cart rolls forward to the register, but he doesn't see anyone behind it
>as he moves to look over the counter, a face rises up in front of him
>like, an actual face
>"hOI!!"
>he stumbles backwards and bumps into the glass case behind him
>the face snickers, and falls back down
>Kris regains his composure, lets out a sigh, and leans over the counter
>there, standing just too short to see over it is a Temmie
>rare to see monsters in the city
>even rarer to see one of the little cat-dog things
>he sighs, and starts scanning the items in the cart
>miraculously, there's a box of Temmie Flakes in the cart, despite Kris never having seen any in the store
>he scans it and puts it in the bag
>"Your total is $27.59"
>he waits a second
>no response
>he turns to look at the Temmie, only to see that it had stretched itself so that it was face to face with him, eyes squinted
>"hmmm"
>"u look familiar"
>kris leans away from the Temmie, but it follows
>a paw stretches up and starts scratching its chin
>it is squinting so hard now that there's no way it can even see him anymore
>suddenly its eyes go wide
>"Wawa??"
>"Kwisp?!?"
>Kris tries to deflect, but Temmie is persistent
>eventually, he just gives in and admits it
>the store is otherwise fairly empty, so the two talk for a while
>Temmie had apparently managed to get into a small college

>>83657833
Take your own advice, dude. It’s already over.

>>83657857
>he's also surprised to find Temmie talking a bit more normally now
>apparently something she started picking up after the first 2 years of college
>humans were less tolerant of the quirks of the little creatures than monsters, so it was just easier this way
>he briefly shared what he had been up to within his own life, though he didn't mention how little there really was to it
>the conversation, while one sided, was honestly pretty nice
>and Temmie could definitely talk
>for a whole 20 minutes
>she only stopped when she glanced at the clock on the back wall and saw how much time had passed
>"Uwawaa! Sorry Kwisp! Gotta go, gonna be late for class!
>"Tem see u soon!"
>Kris blinks as Temmie shoots off to the door, bags held in an oustretched paw, nearly smashing into it before it can open
>well, looks like life was going to be a bit more interesting from here on out

i think that's all i'm gonna do with this, no idea what i'm doing. never written anything before.

>>83657834
The immensity of your soul must be heard

>>83657726
What?

>>83657802
Well before now that was Susie getting to talk with Noelle about twice, the first time she got to hear some very deep and personal stuff on a person she considered good mainly about herself vindicating her whole view on Noelle being a good person, then the next time they meet she skips though the convo and tries to actually bond with her more, and now she got to be more straight with her over somethings but not everything which ends with the whole trying to be honest thing in giving Noelle a room and looping her in.

You can't really say she was honest given you already knew her bulling was her stonewalling everyone else and being the role people assumed she was. Susie has layers, everyone in the game does except Sans who's just shit.

Susie was only pretending to be retarded

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>>83657857
Well maybe, Toby and Temmie might finally start dating

>>83657887
Slow Burn AU but now Kris is the loser that no one cares about. Fitting.

>>83657871
For who? I wasn't deluding myself to coping that 'oh hey he won't commit and last chapter was just a set up for a bait and switch where Susie turns on Noelle over how she described her friendship with Kris', Krusie has always been fanon so there's not any real reason this affects the general in the first place

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I'm convinced that most actual /doe/ and /sus/ posters are either still playing the game, or are taking a break until the threads calm down. Both threads are just /v/ & /u/ tourists shitflinging at each other with no reasonable stances or discussion.

>>83657834
But you said I have a vast soul and you'll always come back to it…

>>83657921
>Sans who's just shit.
Holy fuck I hate this fucking faggot so much.

From what I'm hearing not even suselle fags like the way their ship ended up. For them it's so unsatisfying they'd rather there have been nothing at all.

>>83658026
I’m convinced you need to get Toby’s micropenis out of your mouth.

>>83658026
You cannot genuinely think that anybody from this thread would like this piece of garbage chapter.

>>83658026
yeah pretty much, I took the bullet and stayed because I had a full shift of work to browse before I could even play

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>>83658026
>discussion

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>>83658033
I can only hope he suffers in every timeline imaginable.

>>83657956
only place to go from the bottom is up