/scaly/ - Scaly General #1670Post lewd reptiles and discuss scaly stuff, male or female is fine. Dragons, wyverns, dinosaurs, lizards, snakes, and reptile-folk such as kobolds and Argonians are welcome, on top of other things with scales like sharks as well. Anthros, ferals and human/scaly are allowed, but please, no monstergirls. As some may take a few creative liberties on their creations, do inquire if there's a particular edge case you're unsure about.==============>Lurking or just reading the FAQ before posting is encouraged.>Anatomy arguments never go anywhere, don't bother instigating one.>No extreme fetishes, please. Ask or catbox your image with a warning on it if you're unsure.>Before asking for source, consider looking into the tips under resources to help find what you're looking for.>Please avoid reposting images from the last few threads to keep the latest more fresh.>There is no Discord server, don't ask.===============Scaly Smut - Many lewd lizard writings>https://mega.nz/folder/pM0EHaQK#qpaXTV7AKpDWNAQn8-ZpYgScaly Lit - Even more lizard writings>https://rentry.org/scalylit>https://rentry.org/scalywnMisc Resources - Source finding and other fun stuff>https://rentry.org/scalygeneralFAQ - Common questions already answered>https://pastebin.com/bpUrZimpYou are free to contribute to either, simply reply and post the information.Did you miss something? You can find all previous threads here:>https://desuarchive.org/trash/search/text/%22scaly%20general%22/type/op/Help! 4chan is dead/hacked again!Don't panic first check the above desuarchive link. You can ghost post in there and see what others are saying. Our fallback site in case 4chan goes down is>https://8 chan.moe/Look for the /trash/ board.Today's featured image is practicing questionable parenting.Topic of the thread: What would you do if your family found out about your scalie inclinations?
>>84075526>ToTTPerish.More seriously... I've started becoming more open about it.I suspect at least some of them already know.They don't know how far it goes, of course, but I'm slowly letting more of my 'true self' show because I've realized I kind of hate hiding everything all the time.If they found out I'd shrug. I'm in my 30s. I don't really need care any more.That's on the surface, of course. Inside I'd cringe. But, it's only going to be momentary discomfort.
>>84075526kms
>>84075526>What would you do if your family found out about your scalie inclinations?Probably bad times given my family is on the older side compared to me, with a moderate religious slant. Over 30 and parents over 70 so both sides won't care as much as before but still not really a topic I'd like to bring up much and lead to some awkward explanations...Irl friends aren't privy to mine fetishes either, mostly, awkward to bring up scalie fetishes in general.
The joys of parenthood
>>84075526>tott>>84075588 (me)I have time now to answer in a bit more detail: It depends on what exactly they find.If they find that the dragon-tism I had during my childhood resurfaced, it'd be embarrasing, but not the end of the world.If they found what I draw, and my art references folder, it's the same situation, since they're both sfw (there are 1-2 exceptions, but those'd be hard to find by chance). I'd just explain it gives me motivation to draw, and some shit about how elusive and volatile art-motivation is, so I take what I can get. (I've only ever shown them normie stuff)If they found my *other* folder, I don't have a disaster recovery plan for that at all, except: kms immediately. I actually have a recurring nightmare about being found out, had it at least 3-4 times by now.
>>84075526>tottSimilar to >>84075559I'd have less reservations about buying scaly stuff like those cozy claws heatable plushies.>>84075872>>84075988>Kys because of perceived reactionsI don't think anybody these days would react as negatively as you think, considering being outed as a furry or scalie isn't as bad many other worse things people are into.Just look at JustinRPG, he's absolutely shameless in his Facebook posts and yet how does his family react?>KekSo don't think it's the end of your life if you ever get outed.
The new Lilianne sprites are ready:https://litter.catbox.moe/l1wuzpaqp1qgaxsa.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/1op4riwgwy7j7yr7.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/73fzf3kev6so452w.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/pqr7wg28dh0nekvq.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/knh6xdx41ipupn04.pngUsed 1 day litterbox links since catbox seemed to have issues again. If VNanon misses them I'll send them via FA again.I didn't take Lilianne as a girl who'd break a flower just to smell it. So I put a mostly transparent lilacs tree next to her. Not sure if that's going to look okay in game. Also not sure if lilacs are blooming during the time TatB is supposed to take place but I can easily put a different plant there.As always please report errors and other issues you notice.
>What would you do if your family found out about your scalie inclinations?I used to be a Halo porn artist back in the day and my dad told me to make money from it.
>>84075526>ToTTI have no idea. Look at me funny, I guess?
>>84076634Based dad.
>>84075988OWN IT, ANON. I believe you could push through it. So believe in the me that believes in you. That goes for all of you.>"Reptiles?">"YES. They're HOT."
>>84075526>ToTTThey wouldn't be that surprised, 7 years ago I came out as a furfag and had mostly neutral responses.My mom isn't the most intelligent individual so she didn't understand it.My younger brother and sister said "ok" and moved on without pressing the topic.My dad and I have a really close relationship, so we had a pretty indepth conversation about it. I remember showing him picrel saying "I'm sexually attracted to this." Long story short he wasn't very surprised considering this (my furriness now scaliness) was a byproduct/scar of rough times for me.
>>84075526>TotTI'm the exact same as >>84075872 , except a decade younger. I'd probably have to move to a different city if it came out, though I'd have to learn a lot about living alone first...my irl friends are normalfags, but I'm 60% sure one of them is a semi-monsterfucker (or leans a little that way). They would probably laugh a little at my expense but be half-disgusted half-cool with it (so I'd really prefer they not know)...
>>84076936forgot picrel (my approximate reaction if that scenario comes to pass)
>>84075526>tott I'm the anon from two threads ago (I think it was two? Not sure). Turns out, I may have overreacted a bit. My mom doesn't seem to know and my dad hasn't brought it up since. All in all, nothing's really changed
Open wide! Say 'aaah'!
>TotTMy family knows. They've read my dragon and other furry stories. My brother is also a furry. My mother probably would have been if she'd been born 5-10 years later. The worst thing to come out of any of it is my mom telling some random strangers "her kids are furries", not realizing this is a bit of an overshare in some circles.
>>84076933>this (my furriness now scaliness) was a byproduct/scar of rough times for mei'm obviously not you (as far as we know), but i've never understood people who blame their paraphilias/fetishes/sexual interests on trauma not directly related to said interest.mine are just kinda part of who i am, and have been for essentially as long as i can remember. i've got no formative trauma to speak of, and zero trauma that would, say, cause me to enjoy scales.
>>84076272couldn't resist
>>84077555>full house dub tripoh shit ligga
>>84075526>TotTI'd own it, and my family probably wouldn't be surprised. Fore I'd fit in with my siblings in that regard. One being a STEM furry, the other, openly obsessed with dinosaurs.
>>84076272Nice work again Lizardanon these are lovely! Especially the one with the liliacs, she's really beautiful in that sprite. I've downloaded the sprites on my phone but I'll have a play around with them when I get back. On first inspection I didn't notice any big errors. Thank you for your hard work as always!I'll try putting it on the temporary photo background I have for the park (although since that photo is in winter, might not be the best to see if the colors blend correctly or not, I'll probably try it with the stock photo I used to use as a placeholder) but since I'll be rotoing the background eventually I can always adjust colors on my end.Huh, I actually don't know enough about plants to know if liliacs would bloom at that latitude or not, I'll look into it.Also, there was one sprite I did forget to mention for the Lilianne park date, but I've been trouble figuring it out. Basically for the piano recital that >(You) and Lilianne to attend, I wanted to have a quick sprite of a scaly playing the piano similar to the one-off one of Roger on the bike. I plan to use Erik Satie's "Gymnopédie No.1" as the music for that scene for a couple reasons; Satie is French, and his works are public domain lmao, so I wanted to also base the piano player on himThere lies the problem, pic rel is Satie. Typical early XX century eccentric pianist lookin' motherfucker. But I can't figure out what species our "Erik Scalie" would be. The discussion of sharks last thread got me thinking make him a shark and call him "Erik Sharkie", but honestly I'm not settled on anything. If anyone has an any other ideas I'm open to them
>>84076272Is there a name for the VN? Some place I can check out the progress and see if I'm interested enough to watch it grow?
>>84078282"Time At The Bar"Pretty much right here in the thread for most of the updates, but I have also set up an itch page now where you can find releases without having to go archive diving>https://timeatthebar.itch.io/time-at-the-barI should get around to writing that devlog post tho, fug
>>84078386Oh, that one! I have 0 clue how I forgot the name, I was already very much interested.May I ask you why you don't share it outside of /scaly/? I guess /HMOFA/ is shitted daily and too many bite low quality bait so I can see why people wouldn't want to go there, but I think anons would very much enjoy your work there.And /HMOFE/ is much slower and focused, still a place that would enjoy your work.I'm asking in part because I want to shill your work, I really like the spritework and the plot points I've seen (didn't read the chapters that were done to not spoil myself + I already have a rather big reading list).
just took a big shitheh, guess i know how it’d feel to have a dragon pound my ass
Y'all got any recommendations for dragon books? I just read Seraphina in the hope that the romance of her dad and mother was explored, but that wasn't the case, you could just Ctrl+f replace every dragon with elf and nothing would change.
>>84075526>tottI'll probably just be happy they didn't find out the whole scope of my appreciation of different kinds of women. And they wouldn't be too bothered, I'm almost 30 and why they are decidedly not liberal they are very much understanding.It also depends, I think most past gen people will be much more ok with anthro scalies then, say, feral dragons. And that will still be more ok than feral dinos, which in turn would be more ok than feral snakes.
behold, my new favourite fetish of the hour :Vartist is bebebebebe/inax/totototoilet/toto/washlet_mskm :v
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>>84078583temeraire
>>84078583Blah blah, obligatory Wings of Fire mention, blah...Now that we got that out of the way, Vainqueur the Dragon is a fun parody of the many Isekai and PnP tropes. If you're able to not take things too seriously you'll certainly have a blast with it.
>>84078643>>84078663I think it would be hot if he and picrel transparent frog guy had gay gay homosexual sexIt would be like two minus signs cancelling out
>>84078477Honestly, I haven't paid much thought to shilling it outside of the thread. I created the itch after Ryukiri did her stream so people could find it without coming here (she was kind enough to gatekeep the thread from the audience) and now I also crosspost some development stuff on her server too (there's some people there working on a VN too which I'll be excited to try when they release a demo). But that's about it.I guess when it comes to other threads here on /trash/, I think it's more of a case I'm just not familiar enough with some of the other thread cultures and don't really want to come off as a carpetbagger. I know there's a specific thread for VNs which I had a look at but they seem to be more focused on NSFW games (and mostly bara too).But sure, feel free to shill! It's not some super secret project we're trying to keep under wraps so if you feel there's a place that would be receptive, go right ahead! And thanks! It does make me happy to see other people enjoying what I, Lizardanon, and others have been creating.
>>84078673>temeraireI've had those books on my list for a long time, knowing I'd probably like them, but always saving them for later. Maybe the time has finally come.>>84078791I'm very hesitant when it comes to litrpg, it's not really my genre it seems and I was always disappointed when picking one up. But I'll give it a try.Anyway, what a shame that there can be a shit ton of banger romance fanfics about MLP, but when it comes to human x dragon there's just mainly emptiness and garbage and maybe one or two good ones.
>>84078643>>84078663I think he'd get along pretty well with The-minuscule-task's perverted nudist chameleon girl, Hex Spectra.
>>84075835>>84074997>>84074978>>84074848Fuck me sideways, I didn't notice that. There were differences between some of his older works and new ones, but I didn't expect it to be AI...What a fucking shame, and I really did enjoy the characters and their interactions. I'm usually better at noticing those things, how did I miss it?>>84079029Will shill then.
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>>84079840Why is it okay for dragons to be racist to other reptilians?
>>84075526>tottControlled autism.My family and friends know about my interest in Dragons, I've received gifts and nobody questions it an any way because...yeah...dragons are fucking cool.Also a few friends know I'm attracted to dragons, but if my family found out? I'm not sure, they'd probably think it's weird but they know me well enough to know it's just fantasy.
>>84079489it just hit me that Meccha Chameleon is literally Rainwing hide-and-seek
Speaking of shillingI'm (once again in years lmao) trying to highlight this guyhttps://sofurry.com/u/oridianHis stories are kinda comfy (not human on dragon, sorry, mostly dragons only, sfw even)His biggest series (the one that brings me personal joy) is about picrel gal slice of life stories. His stuff is set in his universe where dragons are (apparently) the most techno[magically?] advanced species on the planet (they dont go into space, they barely charted their own planet). They live in hovering shielded cities and possess rare magical abilities.(i suck at explaining)
>>84079489>>84079933I feel in these situations the furries with their advanced sense of smell would be able to detect the intruder. Would dragons not have ways of seeing past camouflage, too?
>>84079840I need a racist dragon wife to belittle me all day just for her to do compassionate cuddling with me at night
>>84079029Oh, and a question - is Lilianne planned to be a main character along the other 5?
>>84075526>TotTProbably nothing. My family is overall pretty apathetic, so they probably wouldn't care. We're not in regular contact, anyway, so I doubt I'd have to hear about it too often. I'm also pretty good at acting like nothing's amiss, so even if somebody wanted to bring it up, I'd simply refuse to engage at all. It's a skill I needed to develop, long story. If somebody decides to cause drama over it, I have no problem going full scorched earth, burning bridges and all, but I hope that doesn't happen.
did we ever find out what this is from?
>>84079840I find it funnier that she's more upset that she's bunking with a wyvern for the night than she is about sharing with a male.
>>84080289No, Lilianne is just a mini-route. She appears in Weeks 1 - 4 (the final scene in week 4 will be very simple, she shows up at the Claw to say goodbye to the player and give you a kiss goodbye saying she had a wonderful time in Nathport. I plan to add a second mini route in at some point as well but the ideas I have need a little more time in the oven.
>>84080343>I'm also pretty good at acting like nothing's amiss, so even if somebody wanted to bring it up, I'd simply refuse to engage at all.If someone brings it up to me i like to explain it as like how pilots are obsessed with planes and engines im obsessed with dragons and the beauty of their destructive nature. Its interesting to combine 2 things that are somewhat related to each other: organic creature capable of flight vs mechanical construction capable of self propulsion all using the same logic of aerodynamics.
>>84077470Serious hardships and traumas change who you are as a person. Everyone navigates and copes through them differently. For me, it was I myself believing I wasn't human. During late middleschool, I was severely ostracized and was very suicidal because of it. My way of justifying my situation was believing I wasn't human, but more or less an animal spiritually. During this time period, all of my dreams I was either a canine or a deer. With the passage of time and going to a new highschool with a better student body, I over came that hardship and I now identify myself as human.But another hardship appeared in the form of no romance. It was impossible for me to form a romantic and/or sexual relationship with any girl, which was very disappointing. It got so bad to the point I adopted the mindset of "why be attracted to a being, if said being won't be attracted to you." And because of the previous hardship, I drifted towards being attracted to fictional animal-like characters, pokemon being a big example. So here I am for more than a decade, still being attracted to fictional animal-like characters, with a heavy lean towards scalies due to MH. I still am somewhat attracted to humans and do want to have a family. But with the modern-day dating crisis, feminism and my preferences, I still have the no romance hardship. My only reason I have hope is because I'm a relatively good-looking guy that's living independently of my parents.
>>84079480The description mentions an older, presumably authentic version of the story. Do you know if that exists somewhere? I love this kind of shit but I absolutely cannot stand the precocious-highschool-student writing style all AI is cursed with. I would genuinely rather wade through barely interpretable esl.
Snek sex.I like these "Vipera" critters Fortuna's been drawing lately - they very much remind me of Vertigo from Primal Rage. I actually got the first one she put up for auction (I think that's the first time Fortuna has ever done an Adoptable before), though I don't have a name or any idea for a backstory for my gal yet.
full rez: https://e621.net/posts/6051145
>>84077470Nothing was done to me to traumatize me, but I usually attribute my love of dragons and other more fetishes to my obsession with respect and level playing fields. I absolutely could not stand being treated like a child (even if it was entirely to my benefit at the time) and micromanaged my life and public image to avoid it. I was too sperg to make friends my age anyway and relied on adults to engage with me on my technical hyperfocuses, so my life was dedicated to appearing mature above all else. I was surprisingly successful at doing this, but thereafter lived in terror of anything that would threaten that image. A whole "it's okay to be who you are" complex grew out of that, applying to dragons, /hmofa/, and a number of other things.The idea that even a creature with the magnitude, strength, and splendor of a dragon needs to feel loved and accepted, and might need support sometimes, even from (you)? That (you) could offer trust and acceptance when others might feel threatened? Inject that shit straight into my veins. The idea that you and (some other harkness creature) could love each other and learn to be there for each other, even if it took a lot of work? God yes.It also left me with a bit of a humiliation/pseudo-medical kink in the sense that I love making humiliation better, and I can't get enough of hurt/comfort. The stronger, more prideful, and more courageous the creature could generally be expected to be, the more emotionally satisfying it is to hold their claw and promise everything will be okay.
So, that's why Carnelian had to go...
>>84082031I'm pretty close on most of these points, even if I don't attribute my attractions to specific issues I've had.>humiliation kinkIs it really that if the humiliation isn't the main attraction for you? And is it a kink? Do you get hard when you are conforting other people? Because if not - that's universal, everyone feels good when helping other people, and even if for some like you and I the pleasure/fulfillment is much heigher, it's still not really a kink.
>tottThey know, but apparently, they don't care.It must be because because I only just consume free (or pirated) scaly stuff, the NSFW stuff I like is exclusively anthro, my fetishes are vanilla comparatively speaking and I keep it privately. My room and my real social media accounts have no trace indicating that I am one and I use secondary accounts only to watch, follow and like, never to interact.But being honest, the only reason why I don't have a scaly fursuit and other physical stuff is because I'm too poorfag for that. And I don't draw because I'm too busy to learn.
>>84082211I have other, kinkier kinks that corner on that humiliation/comfort theme, but yeah I'm not sure it's accurate to call it a "humiliation kink" since the meat of it is about making the subject feel respectable, respected, and deserving of respect again. Still, you can't do that unless they've been debased somehow so it also feels disingenuous to not call it a humiliation kink.
>>84081323https://sofurry.com/s/XekPK7zmHere you go. From what I've touched I didn't like the plot or the interactions as much as the new one.I don't like AI much, but human male on female dragon stuff is rare enough that I feel like letting it slide. Especially if I enjoy the wider world that the author constructed and the charcters themselves.I really want James to kiss all of Alys's scars, that's one thing that drives me mad, comforting and kissing women with scars (I still don't agree that it's a kink).
>>84082698Thank you kind Anon. God I love big scary sad things and people being nice to them.
>Someone was paid for thisHow lucky
>ToTTfor my family and friends? their reaction would be >"yeah, we knew"like the scaly elements at my wedding weren't a big enough cluefor my coworkers? shit I work in industry where I wouldnt be surprised if half my coworkers were furries. probably the same reaction
>>84079480I don't blame you for missing it, I'm just annoyed that it's so common. They always seem to have a large amount of kudos on AO3, so either people are broadly clueless, or something fishy is afoot.
>>84082698>Still don't agree that it's a kink I was being coy to avoid starting a shit fest, but I'll be real with you: I call it a kink in my case because I'm a diaperfag. Not the one that spams you, mind. >example of how this worksImagine the big, tough dragon you just started seeing had to admit to you that she still wet the bed and would need protection at night. Imagine the courage it would take to admit that, how much she would have to trust you to tell you, and how vulnerable she would be in that moment. And imagine what you could do to prove that it didn't change a damn thing. Imagine knowing the words to help her feel whole without belittling her.You could apply most of this to injuries/other reasons for needing physical or emotional support, in which case I get a raging heart-boner but don't actually get sexually excited. But if it's that one thing? That drives me crazy, and THAT is a fetish. The reason I don't separate the concepts entirely is because the fetish part wouldn't really be hot to me without the emotional support part, so they're tangled up in me somewhere.
anons how would you deal with the colossal grocery bills that come with a dragon wife
>>84081147not saying it doesn't happen, i'm saying i have a hard time understanding people who consider trauma the cause of those feelings when so many have those feelings without trauma. feels more likely to be using something already there at some level as a tool to process the trauma, but i'm not a psychologist.i can sort of relate to being ostracized but more in a de facto sense - it wasn't that i didn't have friends, it was that what my parents did made it very difficult to spend any time with said friends.i never developed an expectation of romance, nor did i really have time or freedom to pursue it. my inclination towards trying not to bother anyone superseded any motivation to try to initiate something. i also understood what a my place in the dating scene as a guy would be pretty early, and did not delude myself into thinking i could change it. even when i was interested, i assumed others weren't, and no one ever dissuaded me of that conclusion. while it was a little disappointing, i'd hardly call it formative to my sexual predilections, because i had all of them already by that point, and had for a very long time.>>84082031>The stronger, more prideful, and more courageous the creature could generally be expected to be, the more emotionally satisfying it is to hold their claw and promise everything will be okay.now this i 1000% get... though maybe minus the prideful bit. maybe you're thinking of "prideful" differently from the way i am, but i find it difficult to empathize with prideful individuals because they are so pointedly and deliberately not empathizing with anyone else. pity, maybe, but empathize with, no.i hate being performative, and a demand for performative respect from a prideful person is a demand that i lie to their faces. every such expectation lowers the amount of respect i actually feel. these also don't tend to be the kinds of people who can learn to reciprocate genuine empathy.
>>84083050>shit festWell you aren't posting it and aren't discussing it, you're just mentioning it, there's nothing inherently wrong with that.And I do agree that in this context it's a kink, yeah. But that's a much narrower situation than just saying "Comforting others is my kink", wouldn't you agree?
>>84083204either she out-earns you by a lot or she has her own pasture land for food. since they're pretty chimeric i also tend to assume dragons are omnivores, so maybe she also eats trees on occasion.
If you like fuckhuge psychic dragons, this SCP is actually not that bad of a story.:https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-8007For as much as I may dislike F120's Archives, I will say, the dragon stuff that gets posted in that canon is pretty good.
>>84083228Perhaps self-assured is a better term for this. I say pride because I also don't mind characters that have reasons to be proud but maybe not the most ironclad self esteem. The point of it is "it's okay to ask me for help, I'm not going to take it as evidence that you can't take care of yourself or try and use it as leverage, and you shouldn't think any less of yourself for asking".As for capital-P pride, I can be down for that too. Baseless pride is an alias for fear, and I consider it somewhat separate from just being an asshole. Loona is a really good example of this, actually. She acts abrasive and aloof, but she always comes through when the rubber meets the road, clearly cares about her friends and family, etc. She's trying, she's just not super emotionally intelligent and is surrounded by people who aren't either. I find that endearing.Just treating someone as lesser, though? Yeah hard pass. Even from a dragon nothing would turn me off so hard.>>84083326>Nothing inherently wrong with thatWe are still on 4chan. I wouldn't consider it wrong, but it's still a dick move to start the dogs barking even if you didn't mean to. >Narrower situation Definitely. For a long time I thought that my "physical/emotional support thing" was just a hominid instinct and everyone liked it, but I got curious about how rare the themes were in fiction and just asked a couple of people "hey, weird question but do you also really, really like it when characters look after each other", and most of the responses were neutral-positive rather than overwhelmingly positive. Nobody described preferring that theme to pretty much any other. But maybe I just phrased the question poorly. I am very curious about the nature of it because it's a big part of me, feels kind of kink-ish but isn't arousing, and plays way into my actual kink but isn't strictly part of it.
>>84082148I will never not be pissed that they killed her. Still, judging from the newest Winglet, it seems Tui kinda-sorta swapped Carnelian 's and Garnet's personalities a bit, so maybe there's a slight chance we can still get some of what was planned for her if Garnet gets a role in this arc.>>84082764New Bakugan content? That's kinda random. Wasn't there an anon here who was drawing some Bakugan a while back, too?
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>>84080518duncan & mallory comics
It will be here... soon...
>>84084088>But maybe I just phrased the question poorly.No, I just might be delusional because I work in the medical field and most if not all of my colleagues probably value caring for others way more than the average person. Also my parents are both in the medical field too.Not having any vapid people as friends could also skewed my judgement.BUT it is undeniably a universal joy, the question is to what degree. I think even extreme enjoyment of it, like what you and I get from it, aren't/aren't seen as issues unless you get the empathy form of nymphomania where you just get off on comforting people without any emotional attachment.
A lot of you seem to care greatly about what your family would think in regards to such an innocuous inclination. Forgive me for not understanding, but I’ve been somewhat detached from reality ever since falling chronically ill.You’re not eternal. Soon you’ll be dead, and everyone who had ever known you were a scalie would also be dead. What does it matter? Why chase a projected perfection instead of heeding your self? Why capitulate to normalcy at the expense of your own soul? For whose sake do you live?I am a scalie. It’s not something I find pride in proclaiming beyond the fact that it’s a sincere proclamation. Some childhood confluence has resulted in me feeling this way towards a mythological creature. So be it. I won’t deny it, or see it as something in need of a “fix.” Repression only mollifies the ego, while the true self rots.“I am what I am and that’s all I ever can be.”
>>84084431>Dancing with my new viper wife on our wedding night>Fucking trip over her tail curling around my leg>Faceplant directly into the cake>Best man rapidly incorporates that into his speechFuck my chud life
>>84084474Reputation of yourself matters to other people. Breaking your reputation is a bad thing because people will think of you differently. They dont agree with your beliefs so why should they help you in anyway? Small things can leave big impressions and change how people think of you immensely. Not saying that its gonna be like>AYO SON YOU FUCKA DA REPTILES? *whipcrack* GET OUTTA MY HOUSE BOISo basically dont go out of your way to go out and say I WANNA FUCK DRAGONS with your name on the internet if you care to comply with normies
>>84075526>TotTThey kinda sorta already know, and have always known. I've been obsessed with dinosaurs and dragons since I was four, and everyone knew I wanted to be a paleontologist when I grew up. It never panned out due to life just not allowing for it (I ended up becoming a boring old historian instead), but to this day my parents and siblings know I'm still obsessed with them; they even get me dinosaur and dragon-themed stuff every birthday and Christmas, or send me pics of stuff they find because it reminds them of me.So while they don't know I feel "that way" about them, no one is surprised that I have all sorts of /scaly/ stuff sitting around my house in plain sight, or that I still obsess over anything with a dinosaur or dragon on it.
>>84084431Oh yeah, I never thought ill of myself for it, but it did recontextualize my life and preferences a bit>Medical fieldYou have my eternal respect and gratitude. It's one of those things I wish I could do, both for the reward of the work and because I would like to make truly informed decisions about my day-to-day health and you just can't get that shit from the internet. Alas I am far too squeamish. I nearly faint every time I get my own blood drawn. I'd be out for the count if I saw more than that at once.T. Programmer/pilot
>>84084474>You’re not eternal.I (and (you)) have left my mark on life, however minor it is, and through it I am eternal and immortal. I have a duty to myself, those who came before me and are immortal through me, and those who will come after me and will carry my immortality.And while there is no reason to hide (unless there actually is one, like threat of homelessness or disownment), there is just as little reason to chase conflict that isn't internal. If you know through deep introspection why you love scalies - there is no real reason to push that love onto others or to expose it just for the sake of seeking recognition or validation.
>>84084935I've always regarded based and cringe as a profoundly false dichotomy given, by the definition of based, the willingness to be cringe is fundamentally based. That said, somehow this post is the cringiest way I have ever heard that expressed. I'm not really sure what to make of that.But you're not wrong. I'd just call it "growing up". For me it happened around 22/23, and my life became a lot better for it.
>>84077384Aaaah~
https://x.com/FlameJMA7889/status/2077044008438620417Which one of you
>>84084929>I nearly faint every time I get my own blood drawn>>>pilotDon't tell the FAA
>Thank you for protecting me always. Thank you for falling in love with me. Just one last time, please lend me your power. I have to stop him. I won't need anything else from you after that. I'll give you my future, my heart, my body. I'll give you everything. From now on, we'll truly be together forever.
It's done! My little fae dragon, Lulu, now has some art by someone who can actually draw!>Deep in the forest, a small faerie dragon sits perched atop an old staff. Who was the owner? Did the little dragon know them? Perhaps she was the owner's Familiar, waiting for their return. Or maybe they were friends, and she now whiles the time mourning their passing. Or maybe they never knew each other at all, and the small fae simply decided the staff would make a good perch? We may never know.
>>84085964>We may never know.JUST FUCKING ASK HER
>>84077555Based 555 trips
>>84086197>expecting to get a straight, honest answer out of a fae dragon SYou know damn well that she'll turn it into a game, probably involving riddles.
>>84086197>asking a fae dragon a direct question and expecting a direct answerNgmi
Need to play this Neverwinter game at some point myself...
>>84086260The outcome of the game doesn't matter as long as you love her unconditionally.
>>84086260>>84086278>the faery dragon, talking to some stranger, compelled to play complex riddle games about the gruesome and horrifying end to her long-departed and beloved masterThis could be so much easier if YOU WEREN'T LIKE THIS
>>84084935>just for the sake of seeking recognition or validation.That could be said about your pretension to seem "normal" too, that's the outside, performative image you want to pass into others after all. Which just seems fake and lame to me being honest, all in all it's just perpetuating the eternal preference for performance that this species seems more obsessed with each day.
>>84079966>(i suck at explaining)If you are up for trying harder, write up an entry for scalywn I'll add it. (Click edit to copy a template)
>>84085096>I'd just call it "growing up"Many people has their own definition of what that means. To me is actually stopping giving a fuck about what others might think of you for being who you are.
>>84086373Can't fight that ingrained fae nature, man. And given they tend to have very short attention spans, it's entirely possible she'll forget what the original question even was.
>>84086467Nah that's exactly what I'm talking about.
>>84086390>your pretensionAt no part did I mention needing to seem "normal". There is no such thing as real normality. What I did say is one should seek to avoid needless conflict. One should find why they desire to "come out" for something that a perfectly personal trait and deal with why they do. If it's a valid reason - do it without fear or shame. It's usually not a valid reason.
>>84086467This. Growing up means realizing that you are your own person, and you don't have to be what people around you demand you to be. That means not giving a fuck about other people's approval.
Would you a birb?
>>84086725would you?
>>84086829What species is she even supposed to be? T-rex hands, raptor toe claws, no pelvic boot..
>>84086725>Would you a b-ACK!Do Theris count as birbs?
>>84087632
>>84084088>re: pridei agree pretty much completely with you. the word i'd have used for what you're describing would have probably been "confident," but self-assured works too.i care much more about what people do than how they present themselves, but certain kinds of presentation (i.e. treating others as lesser due to their own self-worth) are themselves actions.>maybe I just phrased the question poorlymight have also been a context that wasn't conducive to a philosophical discussion about the empathy of characters in fiction. i think most people find that sort of thing satisfying, but not necessarily exciting, if that makes sense. if lack of external help is an important driver of conflict, gaining help may be how that conflict is resolved in the story. it's going to probably be the culmination to a small arc or side plot. it's more common in some genres than others.
>>84087632>>84087640I enjoyed the start of this series, but fucking hell is it stale now
>>84086215Unironically my favorite chip, used it for so many things
Finished another reaction image, use it as you please, scalies.It's a redraw of https://files.catbox.moe/h47s2b.jpg . Funny, how traits people anthropomorphize onto cats (such as vanity) often fit dragons too.>>84085964I have an idea for a drawing, involving a fae dragon. Originally I just wanted to draw it with [generic fae #79723], but given the thread already has Lulu, would you mind if I drew it with her? It'd be sfw, & not suggestive.(side note: I have a bunch of ideas I want to do first though, so IDK when I'd draw it)
My Girl a Dragon...She flicked her tongue and my coffin became a hot tub. I saw her tail and my monocle shattered from sheer thirst. I don't sweat—but she breathes on me once and my cravat is a swamp. Her wings go fwump and I hear a disco beat made of collapsing stars. She winked, and my entire bloodline got pregnant. Her scales clinked like a thousand tiny martini glasses. This infernal gecko made me say out loud: "Respectfully, sit on my entire existence."
make all dragoos gay powers, activate
>>84087882>would you mind if I drew it with her?Not at all - I'd be flattered! Whether or not it's specifically Lulu, more fae love in general is appreciated!
>>84088213All dragons are already gay....Except the female dragons, I guess. So maybe now they're lesbos.
>>84089383wrongit's not gay if it's a dragon
noodle
Solarpunk cowboy synthetic scales.
i don’t fantasize about dating scalies as a human, i fantasize about dating humans as a scalythis is truly schizo, i feel
>>84090358Post Talons
if i put my head on top of a dragon's chest, would i be able to hear its heartbeat? would it be loud, or quiet? i suddenly thought about this and after spending a few minutes seriously pondering the scenario i made myself quite sad
Real footage of dragons in 2026
>>84090358>schizotry based
Needs more slit fucking
>>84090358par for the course honestly. During a period in my life, (first hardship in >>84076933) I had fantasies and dreams as a canine/deer doing things to crushes I had. A specific dream I still remember is saving my crush (human) from a zombie apocalypse situation by having her ride me as a deer, and then cuddling with her to keep her warm during the night which then lead to some kissing.
>>84091743I have the wrong reply in the parentheses, meant to do it to >>84081147
>>84075526I would never ever let them knowThis is my ultimate secret nobody knows about and wouldnt be able to live with the shame
>>84086725Would you a robot birb? (birbot? cyborb?)
>>84090358sometimes i fantasize about being a scaly getting gangbanged by a bunch of human men and get called a faggot while i'm glazed with cum
>>84092447That's pretty gay...
>>84091979>What would you do if your family found out about your scalie inclinations?>They wouldn't ever know.And how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast?
>>84092752>Ilsera's idea of "training" and being supported to become a bigger series is to LITERALLY become bigger in every conceivable wayI'm not surprised the artist said Ilsera's final evolution would probably just be her as a massive sphere. She'd probably still ask you to get her an upsized switch controller there, even.
>>84090358sometimes i fanasize about being a scalie and some human or fantssy humanoid trying something like >>84090852 (which i would of course oblige (for science)) with me.of course sometimes even my fantasies have worries built in, like a bunch of /scaly/ being left out of scaly transformation, which i would find upsetting regardless of whether or not i was among those who got lucky.
>>84092752>And how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast?Depend how late i would have eaten yesterday.I know about the breakfast question, im not that dumb.I make sure to have everything under multiple passwords, i use fake acount and fake being a tourist about scalie stuff, hell they think i dont care about reptile n stuff.They are clueless and event my onlines friends dont have a clue at all. (some of them are scalies)
I want to be a Tama!
>>84090852>would i be able to hear its heartbeat? would it be loud, or quiet?You got me interested, and it turns out hearing a reptile's heart is not only more difficult than normal but also quiet is the answer. Instead of a standard stethoscope, they need to use a doppler monitor!
>>84093563>I make sure to have everything under multiple passwords, i use fake acount and fake being a tourist about scalie stuff, hell they think i dont care about reptile n stuff.But what if, despite all that, they find out everything.What would you do then?
>>84094179if i asked ilsera to sit on me, will i die?
>>84075526i'll remind my unwed single mom what she is so she has no business criticizing anyone else
>>84094900It would be extremely painful
>>84095072She's a big gal
>>840950854U
>>84095072what kind of scaly would bane be?
>>84095154Komodo Dragon. Have you seen how buff those little fellas can get?
>>84095180Yeah that tracks actually, lmao. Good call
>>84095180We need a buff komodo guy as a one-off customer in TatB. They are dragons, after all.
>>84095180
>>84095180holy shit
>>84095180>>84095257Absolute units. I'd probably be down to a Beastars-esque Batman story if there were a fair share of scalie characters.
>>84095243>>84095180Big komodo trucker/biker punk, do you see the vision Maybe there can be a hell's angels expy even
>>84095180Large lizard lads
>>84095425
>>84095243>>84095398There's actually a character in Lance's plotline that would be perfect for this, thanks anons!
>>84095466Give him a Bane mask
the secret feesh rizz technique (never fails)
>>84095486He will be an enforcer for a shady organized crime figure Lance gets involved with and owes money too, pushing Lance to take extreme risks to pay off the debt (if Lance follows through, you get the bad ending and some of the characters won't make it out of the route alive)
>>84095890Death?In my cozy scaly VN?
>>84095960Lance's bad ending is pretty much the worst one of the game, it's essentially the opposite of the golden path. The other endings are a lot more tame in comparison, but this is the one with the most severe consequences.If you'd like to know more (massive spoilers, naturally) you can read a brief summary here:>https://pastebin.com/KveYgqyeOn the opposite side, Lance's good end is good for him and the Kobolds (and he stays your BF too!)Either way, as part of the route, Lance will still top >(You)
>>84096123>>84095486>>84095466People are going to end up wanting to fuck the edgy antagonistic komodobane guy and be sad he doesn't have a route!It'll be the Maverick problem all over again...
>>84096278People are going to end up wanting to fuck every single character. At some point, you have to rein it in.>>84096123Solid script, makes for a suitably tragic ending. Two details come to mind. One, I imagine the build-up to the climax would be Anon telling Lance about the busy shift and the earnings, which would then feed into the ending of Anon blaming himself for causing the tragedy to happen. Doubly so if he didn't tell Lance about the clopen protocol, as knowing somebody might be in the building might have discouraged him from going for it. Two, I'd include Malcolm's situation in the epilogue. The one-two punch of losing his business and having his friend be the one who caused it would absolutely tear his life and family apart.
>>84096374>People are going to end up wanting to fuck every single character.True.Threesome with Meepo and Morpo mod when?
>>84087424Being able to fly is cheating at basketball
>>84096476Aren't they brothers?
>>84096641Are you saying you wouldn't watch dragons play basketball?
>>84096641Everybody can fly in dragon league, so it balances out.
>>84093902>you lay down on top of your dragon gf for the first time>it's as nice as you always dreamed>you close your eyes, forget about the world and focus only on her>the texture of her inner scales on your face, the warmth of her fire reaching up to your skin, her slow and deliberate breathing>but there's something missing>or at least, you thought it would be there>you can't hear heart>you're a little dissapointed, but you don't want to bring that up and ruin the momentthat's an interesting answer. i kind of like it
>my sweet and fuzzy wife who insists on wrapping me up in her wings like a burrito in bed leaving me with crazy night sweats (we turn the AC way down thank God)
>>84096813>Can't hear her heartbeat >But she can definitely hear yours>The steady rhythm helps her sleep
>>84093648Me too
>>84088156That shit ain't nothing to me man
20% more anthro
>>84095890quick concept sketch of the bad guyI think he could use some more accessories or scars or something but we can talk about that once he gets added.
>>84099307also for you (>>84095486)
>>84099327Don't ask me how he's smoking with that thing
Fellas, I need toys. No, not “adult” toys, I mean regular toys… but with scalies! Dragons! Dinosaurs! Snakes! Gators! I need scaly toys and I need appropriately scaled (no pun intended) humans to go with them. I don’t care if it’s LEGO, Mattel, Hasbro, Blokees, or even JAKKS Pacific… I just need good scaly toys!
>>84099307I know it's just a sketch now, but I'd tweak the face a bit. Going with >>84095180 for reference, I'd make the dome a bit flatter and add those prominent eyebrow arches (those feel like the most noticeable characteristic of a komodo). Also, I'd put in those neck veins/folds, and the tail needs a top ridge.Incidentally, the guy reminds me of the player character from Target: Renegade, for some reason. I'd totally play a beat'em up starring this guy.
>>84099307He needs a scaly approved name! I vote for "Chadmodo Sexo"
post more komodo men for """reference material"""... it will surely help the VM succeed
>tfw no buff scalie gf that loves to snuggle with me
>>84101232And thus, the Mama's Boy was born.
>>84085236Why are scalies so vore-coded?>>84082148GIWTWM, need a skywing gf
>"Anon! Come give me hugs and kisses!"
>go to store for things>need a new lighter>clerk asks me what kind I want>"I don't mind">gives me one with a dragon design on itbased
>>84102507Did the clerk whisper "I want to be a Tama" while handing you the lighter?
>>84101967>why are animals that are known for swallowing other animals whole appealing to the “getting swallowed whole” fetish crowd?anon, you’re just… ugh, look… i’m just gonna eat you, okay?
>>84102573swallowing animals whole is quite common in nature. it's just disney's fault like always
>>84102570No, he screamed "WOULD YOU A BIRD???" at the top of his lungs.
>>84101967>>84102573>>84102727the thing the vore scalies never tell you is that snakes always kill the prey *first*. the only things i can think of that "swallow" *living* prey whole are like... baleen whales, pelicans, and pitcher plants
>>84090358>>84091743>>84092866All of you are incredibly based.I want to stay human and be together with a big scaly (dragon, dino or monster). But if I can't have that, it would be interesting the instead BE the scaly, so I can at least provide other anons here the experience I'd loved to have.
Has anyone here played this? How is it?
>>84075526WIP
Since tomorrow is snek day does anyone have snake sketch requests? I'll see if I can deliver some tomorrow.
>>84103851Boa girl chokefucking her human bf
>>84103851This lass loosing her car keys in a couch, so she sticks her head into the seat cushions. Only for her to have her neck wrap all over / constrict said cushions and her head pop out on the opposite side of the couch with the keys in her mouth.
>>84103851Ophelia sneaking a snack (pickled mouse) during a slow moment at work.
>>84103851Jamie wearing a really Snerdy t-shirt with some kind of science pun
>>84103851Snake girl watching a movie in a movie theater and eating eggs as someone next to her screams "THIS SNIGGA EATING EGGS!"
>>84103851I do have a rather specific request because I am writing something and it involves two sneks, or well, a snek and an eel who are siblings.The scenery should be some sort of garden or forest, with one white snek coiled around and looking at a sapling, and a black snek/eel slacking off somewhere else.
>>84076272Mostly just hands. I won't say these are now correct, but at least they are closer.For the first sprite, I couldn't figure out which hand gesture you were going for.Also, make sure to color all nails on the sprite where she's making a photo.She's cute btw.
W-why is she just staring at me like that!? Is there something on my face?
I imagine Karl would be enjoying the Bong vs. Argie game tonight
>>84099589The Lego Elves collection.We used to have an anon photo oping with them.
>>84104990Maybe. He'd probably be ranting about the proletariat and breads and circuses though
Eat your greens!
>>84102969Actually they fuck you first.
>>84104990>>84105046I now imagine Karl would not be enjoying the Bong vs. Argie game tonight and is oiling up his FAL
>>84105568is england winning?
>>84105672Losing. England has one goal and Argentina has two
>>84105672it's ogre and it's not coming home
Total Britbong Humiliation. Las Malvinas son nuestras lpmd
>>84106184that supposed to be a tegu?
>>84106285Yes
>>84106421looks like it's about to get snoot slapped
>>84075988Post your latest favorite pic from the *other* folder!!!Here's mine.
Deathclaw in a dress, would you?
What the FUCK was her problem?
>>84106695A scaly one I suppose? Because it's not limited to scalies, I'll tell you.I think this one is the latest saved.
>>84106970As for favourite of the latest... I really like "simple" gifs, there's a lot of 3d dino stuff that's good, but a nice 2d digital artwork is still better for me.
>he actually believes animals eat each other “in the ‘wild’”LMAO
Broke: We need to compare dragon anatomy to lizards because they have scales (low IQ take)Woke: We need to compare dragon anatomy to dogs and horses because they have more mammalian traits than reptilian ones (high IQ take)
why is she so racist?
Oh no... he's hot.>>84107165Simple gifs huh. I think my brain always expects things to progress so the short looping kind tend to get stale, but I guess I could see it being used as a baseline of motion to fantasize further action in your head.
>>84106695this one
>>84106695(the question was aimed at me)Since you're asking for the latest one, chances were high it's something saved from this exact thread. And indeed it is, the last saved image is >>84084823
>>84094179>But what if, despite all that, they find out everything.>What would you do then?Fake my death and become albanian
>>84108028Good taste. I saved that one too and then went looking for more.
>>84107735>Simple gifs huh.Well I would prefer actual proper vids, but there aren't that many and a huge amount of authors got snatched by FF. Like no shit I'd love a good 2d feral snake/dino/dreg vid over a gif, but the gifs are still very good and like them more than many 3d vids.
>>84107749I don't like videos like these because why are his hands doing nothing??? There was another HMOFF dino one where the dino's tail was right over the PoV and I instatly thought "Why the fuck is this retard not grabbing the tail?"
if dragons are smarter than humans, how come there’s no dragon einstein?
>>84108334anon the man is actually clutching the dragon's tail which is curled behind him and cushioning his head
>>84108334His ass is probably in a straight up t-pose.
Am I evil for finding this super hot?
>>84109870A little bit, but, I can't really say too much 'cause I think it's hot too.Albeit, from Tsunami's position, but...
>>84108356He tried to hoard alpha particles and it didn't end well
>>84109898I'd love to suck on his sea cucumber, no hypnosis needed
>>84110150Oh, that's the beauty at play here. It isn't hypnosis. You're fully aware. You just can't do anything else.He isn't tricking you or changing your mind or anything like that. It's a strict enchantment of your very body, forcing it to do something even if your mind, still fully conscious, wants to refuse.Far hotter.Though, you're also right. I'd just help him out regardless. Even if it is a stinky slimy seawing thing.
>>84110190NTA (and i'd simply refuse to allow such a terribly written magic system to affect me out of sheer disdain), but what you describe is very much still in the purview of hypnofetish stuff. they just call it "body control." the lines get pretty blurry, these aren't hard categories.
>>84110253I suppose, but at least the way I tend to look at it, it's a different sort of thing.This is basically puppeteering. The equivalent of paralyzing someone and just moving them yourself, almost. You're not really wrong, but, I just tend to look at hypnosis as needing to be 'mental' at least on some level. Though then again, I suppose one can install new instincts, and that's relatively similar...
Did 4chan change how images are processed? I am sometimes noticing hash changes from original images compared to posted
>>84110487it’s because the kobolds chewed on the wire I TOLD THEM NOT TO CHEW ON!
>>84110341mental effects that don't directly compel willingness might be framed as something like forgetting how to move in any other way than what you were commanded to do, or a reward/punishment system in your head, or "disconnecting" your ability to consciously control your own muscles, etc. plenty of ways to do it and leave the target mentally lucid and unwilling.
did you know? kobolds don’t feel pain, so you can hit one and it won’t even react
>>84103851The longest snek coil in the world guinness world record
>>84103851Do a Reverse Cobra (Negative Hood, maybe weird concave head, just go wild)
>>84113049what the fuck is a concave head
>>84113179It will curve towards the person looking like a balloon with the snake face drawn on it I imagine
>>84113244buddy this is one cow i'm having a hell of a time trying to rotate in my mindwouldn't a balloon head be convex?
>>84113276op probably meant convex in relation to mirrors, not convex as is used in geometry or analysis
Pic was unrelated to /scaly/ so I must counterbalance it with a dragon wife comic
>>84113371
>>84113394
>>84113396
>>84113371>>84113396>gets her husband slighted offhandedly>commits what's essencially a hate crime against people with anxietyYeah I love her.
>>84113179Reverse cobra
>>84113605didn't understand that bit or "negative hood" either. flat in the middle with two bulbous tubes to the side?
>>84103131if i turned into a scaly (western dragon, of course) i'd probably still let /scaly/'s humanons examine my anatomy to satisfy their curiosity. it'd be embarrassing, and i'm like the opposite of an exhibitionist, but i know they'd appreciate said anatomy as much as i did.not letting myself get tied up, though.
>>84113371>>84113394>>84113396>>84113404How!? How is she everywhere!?
>>84113687not that anon but I tried to draw how it might look likethe convex one is like you're looking at a hollow globe from the inside, or the snake's head is shaped the way your hands are when scooping up waterfor concave it would be like looking at the globe surface from far outside, or the way your hands look when you're using a computer mouse (except you're holding two computer mice next to each other for whatever reason)
>>84114069I didn't even realize till you pointed it out lmao
>>84099742Roy. Short for "roided brute".
>>84114194something concave is bent inwards, like a dent or a hole. there's no context where the two are inverted unless you are literally inside the object, people just get them backwards all the time.
report the diaperraiderreminder: wings of fire won
>>84115235It's funny, because he was trying to piss people off with >>84109870 but didn't get the response he was looking for, so now he switched over to his diaper faggotry instead.
>>84115554It is kind of amusing how quickly he falls into repetitive cycles.
>>84115235...the losing competition
>>84115592She's in dire need of correction for those horrible foot puns.
>>84113363oh that sounds cool. it reminds me of that collared vest thingy that kaiba has, except it would be more flared.
>>84115592>>84115835two of my favourite fetishes :v public sex and talons
new tott for snek day?
>>84116010could do just a simple "what is your favorite snek?"
>>84116072new>>84116072>>84116072
>>841104874chan reprocesses images to strip them of any metadata because one or two years ago a userscript that let you add links via png metadata which it would inject that with your image, was going around on /v/ letting pokéfags post dagasi.Or it's actually the government adding tracking information to your reptile porn
late to the party but i don't care>>84075526>topicdepending on how badly it goes i'm either refusing to acknowledge it, withdrawing entirely, or self-terminating out of shamedefinitely not a rational response in any case, but i haven't made any sort of plan for if i get outedideally i'll be taking my autism to the grave, posts here notwithstanding>>84090358samei've had my fill of the human condition, i want something new insteaddating a scaly as a human wouldn't really offer me that>>84092447same, againself-respect is for losers, gimme my degradation>>84113878and same once more/scaly/ deserves some relief from their longing, even if it might somehow come at my expense>not letting myself get tied upthat is where we differi'll bear my shackles with pride (and lust)
