>>2649435

They were all communist countries and aren't part of the EU so they are still pretty poor but they are cheap and less touristy so definitely more interesting. They just get overshadowed by bigger, richer countries. North Macedonia seems the most mysterious out of the 4. Couldn't tell you a single thing about it except they are Bulgars larping as Macedonians.

>>2649435
Ive heard that they are dominated by gypsies and totally trash people. Heard that from albanians and people from those countries, as well as by foreigners who’ve gone there. They all say the places are africa tier dangerous.

i've been to albania, bosnia, and macedonia and they're great
awesome nature, nice historic towns, cheap food and drink
british normies found out about albania in the last couple of years and are flooding there now so i'd suggest visiting soon before it goes to shit

I've been in Albania 6 months and I don't recommend it
Yeah there's some kino nature but Albanoids are filthy animals that throw garbage everywhere. It's a dirty country and there isn't much to do in the cities

>>2649435
I was in Albania earlier in the year and recently in Macedonia, trying to visit all the Balkans. Tirana was shit, was dirty and I got hassled a bunch, nothing to do in the city, just endless coffee shops and mobile phone stores. The communist dictatorship has just left a cultureless void behind it felt like.
Skopje was lovely though, much much more interesting, very cheap and better English speaking proficiency by a long way.

>>2649440
>Bulgars larping as Macedonians.
A bulgar made this post. Truth is that they are a mix of bulgars, serbs and albanians, and none of them would accept the country being anschlussed, so they have to pretend being "macedonian".

>>2649435
The fact that the former Yugoslavia countries, except dumb-ass Croatia and Slovenia, are indeed hidden gems untouched by ameriblobs and globohomo. Also super cheap.

>>2649511
>>2649526
Albania loves the US and gives us a 1 year visa. Would they make it easy for me/us to get citizenship? Same question for Kosovo. I want a second passport in my back pocket.

I remote worked in Skopje for 3 months. There is nowhere in the city that is unsafe at any time to walk around.
The most surprising thing for me is how ultra cheap the country was. Like cheaper than SEA. I remember eating at the most scenic, fanciest restaurant I could find - blue cheese burger and fries was like €4 in local money. I couldn't believe it.

>>2650116
Easy to get a visa?

>>2650118
I'm a Bong so VoA. Border run after 3 months. Can only stay 6 months per year

>>2650098
>montenegro
>cheap
lol, lmao even. you're retarded

>>2649435
Bosnia on the whole is the most 'hidden gem' like of them all. Montenegro has been fucked by tourism for a while, Albania is hitting saturation point now and Macedonia is just boring.

>>2650265
>Bosnia
Tell me more anon. What are the nature and attractions? What about expenses? Also what are the possibilities of trad wife finding?
>inb4 anyone says nooooo it's a meme

>>2649435
>Montenegro
>Albania
these are popular destinations for Chinese students in the UK to visit if they don't have a schengen visa
idk anything more, other than that a few of my friends (white, UK) went to Albania for a lads holiday so that tells you all you need to know imo

>>2649451
Filtered hard.
They're all kino for travel.

>Theth Valbona hike
>Albanian Riviera
>Mostar & Neretva Valley (rafting & Tito's bunker)
>Belgrade - Bar railway
>Lake Ohrid
>Gjirokaster

All personally been to, and are amazing.

>>2650098
The Russians always complain about Croatia because they can't afford it. People go to Croatia instead of Albania because Croatians are tall and attractive, the coastline is god-tier, they make world-class wine, the seafood is fantastic, the people are more educated and friendly to outsiders and the weather is better.

>>2649440
They're Bulgarian?

>>2649451
Haha what!? Someone has been messing with you, I can only speak on Albania for sure because I've only been there out of the three so far, it is very pleasant. I was expecting to get a feeling of a touch city (Tirana) and come across criminal types, however I felt so save, way safer than I did in Italy, the guys are respectful and non confrontational, Gypsies are only found in a specific little bit in the form of prostitutes. Small towns are super comfy.

Pretty much the ideal place if you want a place with charm without the high prices and dumb English, Americans wandering around

>>2649500
That's weird, how would they discover it? They don't have original though, they have to be spoon fed and for it to be dipped in glitter to notice something

>>2649529
Do you mean they're literally mixed, or just a collection of people from other countries?

>>2650098
What's wrong with Slovenia? And what makes Croatia dumb? I don't get your comments

>>2650277
Fuck these kinds of people, why didn't they go to Ibiza? We need a mass homicide.

People have always been wankers but they used to stick to a few countries that catered for them so you could very easily avoid the sort. Now they just spin their finger and point to place on the Map. I really don't get it, what's changed

>>2650292
Gypsy beggars are a constant nuisance in Albania

>>2650266
Why would a trad wife want to do anything with some dirty foreigner?

>>2650340
>dirty foreigner?
Don't project, Rankesh. I'm white and wealthy

>>2650341
>white
because any Bosniak is impressed by some 56% mutt with his genetics and his white skin. Trad means only sigma male traditions, not the actual local ones ofc.
>wealthy
wow, that surely will sort out the gold diggers.

>>2650344
>because any Bosniak is impressed by some 56% mutt with his genetics and his white skin. Trad means only sigma male traditions, not the actual local ones ofc.
I'm not American. And you're literally a Dalit. You have an unmistakable brown seethe
>wow, that surely will sort out the gold diggers
Oh shit. You're right. I should be poor like you. Thanks bro

>>2650314
I saw one while I was there and he was a 7 year old kid, whoop dee doo, the give me a refund for my holiday!

>>2650354
>noo-no ur brown and poor
I get it, makes sense you seek your fantasy wife in some country where 5 figures in your bank account is really impressive.

>>2650368
>more white envy seethe
Keep going. Call me a whitoid. I'm edging rn. Hnngh.

>>2650359
That's great for you anon. They go up to people at cafes every day here.

>>2650302
He means they cucked out and joined the EU and eurozone.

>>2650720
Ah thanks for clearing that up. Super relevant to my life, can enjoy traveling to a country because they made a political move

>>2650309
Ibiza is expensive now, Amsterdam hates us now
broke uni students want to go to cheaper places - hence, Croatia Albania Xanthi Poland

>>2650302
He's a Russian and he's butthurt that they don't take Ruples in Croatia or Slovenia. You can see why when $1 in the US is 92 Ruples. Their average salary is only half the EU average and 1/3 of what Americans make. When the Russians exchange their cash, they end up spending a months salary just for a family to eat out one night in Dubrovnik.

>>2651285
Ah I get it now, who told them? They aren't smart enough to think for themselves, they'd have just kept on going to the same 5 countries until the end of time.

Also why the hell has Ibiza gotten expensive?

>>2651336
Kek thanks pretty tough

>>2651349
age range of people going there has gone up + pandemic + general inflation + weak pound etc etc etc...
you search online for "lads holiday destinations" and it's all people complaining about Ibiza and Hvar and saying you should go to Split, Krakow, Cyprus etc...

>>2651413
Wow things are really changing, and as always for the worse

>>2650395
What shit areas are you visiting that this is an issue? Ignore them, tell them to get lost, look less like a target/an American and they won't bother you.

>>2651418
Tirana and Shkoder. They go up to everyone. If you say beggars aren't a thing in this country you are lying.

I have only been to Bosnia and Montenegro, so I will only speak for those two. It was a roadtrip where we had our car, so we never had to deal with public transport or car hires.

Bosnia is a country that is still defined by its recent war. In Sarajevo a lot of buildings still have bullet holes and sidewalks have craters. Politically, the country is still divided into two sub-polities reflecting the sides of the war (a Muslim-Croat "Federation" and a Serb "Republic"). This is one major reason why Bosnia usually isn't considered as a tourist destination for westerners. The nature is rather gorgeous, there's plenty of mountains, waterfalls and deep river gorges. Shamefully, hiking can be difficult because in a lot of places there are landmines still around. There are plenty of historical monuments (mosques, castles etc.), some of which were extensively restored / rebuilt after being damaged or destroyed by the war. Most tourist destinations are in the aforementioned Federation (Sarajevo, Jajce, Kravice waterfalls, Mostar etc.). In the Serb areas, Banja Luka is worth a visit, as is Visegrad (which has a large ottoman-era bridge in a scenic location at the Drina river valley).

We visited:
>Banja Luka: capital of the Serb polity, has a few rebuilt historical monuments and it's interesting if you're genuinely interested in the weird politics of Bosnia
>Jajce: cool hilltop medieval town with mosques and castle ruins. Also the location where the communist partisan movement (and by the extension the Jugoslav socialist state) had its beginnings
>Sarajevo: plenty of very interesting religious buildings and historical monuments, many of which are related to socialist Jugoslavia and to the war
>Visegrad: see above
>Mostar: main city of the Herzegovina region, worth a visit also because of the nearby Blagaj sufi temple

People in Bosnia seem to be quite friendly towards tourists, but obviously try not to be a general shithead.

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>>2653969
Montenegro is generally much more "tourist-y", which isn't necessarily bad. They adopted the Euro unilaterally despite not being in the EU (seems likely they'll become a member soon though), which is convenient if you come from Europe. From a foreigner's perspective, the country may be divided into two parts:

The coastal areas, which is where all the tourism is. I can't even blame them for turning the place into a tourist attraction, it is just wonderful; you have fjords with mountains jutting out from a tropical-looking sea (the Bay of Kotor), nice beaches, and Italian-style seaside towns that look like they could have been teleported there from the cinque terre (Kotor and Perast). Kotor has some cool churches and a nice nautical museum (and hikes that go up the nearby mountains where you get a full view of the fjords), while Perast is just a quaint little seaside town. Everything is more expensive than the Balkan standards (probably not as much as the Dalmatian coast though), but it's still definitely worth a visit. The overabundance of tourists may be an annoyance though, especially if you visit during summer. The worst thing is that you will find plenty of amerimutts or Anglos stopping here during their Mediterranean cruises.

The interior. Much less touristy, very mountainous and rural. Some rather interesting nature, with high plateaus and densely forested mountains (the Lovcen, the "black mountain" from which the country gets its name). Highlights include the bridge on the river Tara (a tall bridge on a sheer mountain gorge which gave me terrible vertigo), the Ostrog monastery (carved into the living rock of the Montenegrin mountains) and the old capital of Montenegro, the city of Cetinje (which we sadly didn't get to visit).

People in Montenegro seemed to be very friendly, going out of their way to help us in a lot of cases. One dude even paid for our beers just because we told him we passed by his native town while coming there.

>>2650290
you think they're macedonian?

>>2653973
I don't know, I'm asking you what they are

>>2653980
all I know is that they're not macedonian ethnically, only in name/nationality

>>2653985
Is Macedonian even an ethnicity though? In another thread I've asked how many ethnicities there are in Europe and never got a proper answer