is this accurate? 1 Paris2 Buenos Aires3 Seoul4 London5 Hong Kong6 Rome7 Mexico City8 Tokyo 9 Vienna10 Lisbonhttps://www.foodandwine.com/global-tastemakers-best-international-cities-for-bakeries-2024-8620113
>>2747395>8 TokyoI can't stand the Japanese baking style. They just take European pastries and make them 50x worse in every way.
>>2747395>5 Hong Kongwait what? There's like a few pastries that make "pastel de nata" they took from the portuguese and that's it.HK food is great for many things, but pastries?>TokyoSame already said by the first anon, they only take european recipes and make them bland. They have melon pan and that's it.>RomeI don't like italian pastries, it's always some sugary almond shit, they don't do chocolate well.>Parisyes, all of France in fact>Vienna yes, i would add Prague to the list.
>>2747395>SeoulHAHAHA whatIs Paris Baguette a world class bakery now?
>>27473951. Vietnam
London should be replaced with Newcastle, the originator of Greggs. Proper food.Also any bakery that uses butter from a place that's not Ireland (preferred), the UK, France or New Zealand is not worth going to.>>2747415>>2747416East Asia's issue is that most of their bread is milk bread and that's what's used in their sandwiches, loaves etc. Their pastries are fine expect for the weird ass things they put in them sometimes. Japan's donuts are fine if a little weird.
>>2747453Vietnam is the only Asian country that has good bread. Maybe the other French colonies also. Can't remember if Cambodia had good bread and have never been to Laos.
>>2747416>They have melon panMelon pan is basically a worse version of Hong Kong's polo bun (pineapple bun). You should try it if you haven't. Hong Kong has some good shit, although yes, it is mostly Portuguese-inspired
>>2747453as someone who's lived in vietnam and owns a bakery, no. most of the places here are influenced by the french, but can't compare with places like paris, lisbon, buenos aires, rome, etc
The Oh Deer bakery in Prague has the best Kronuts I've ever eaten in my life. Every small town in France I've ever been to had at least 3 bakeries that would shred any place on earth.
>>2747501There are decent baguettes in both Cambodia and Laos, yeah, although they’re not especially popular. The Lao eat them for breakfast occasionally, but they’re mostly reserved for local analogues of banh mi. A majority of Lao baked goods are weird Chinese style sweet pastries with pork floss.Some pretty good French-derived baking In parts of Francophone Africa, too.
>>2747395There's a bit of a troll in that article where the images for a bunch of those are places doing another country's specialities. Nice that London is getting a bit of recognition, with all the "lol British food" stuff on the net, the country's cakes and breads go massively under the radar. Bit surprised there's no mention of Afternoon Tea though which is probably a signature luxury dish.I feel Lisbon is a bit over-rated, the famous custard tarts are nice but that's really all that can be said (and most countries have their own take on custard tarts), it's pretty standard bakery wise outside of that. Ovos Moles are a weird novelty rather than a great delicacy.
>>2747395I've been to a few decent bakeries in some of the Dutch municipalities.
>>2747415This, pastry & bread is just... You can't put it side by side with European shit. I have been living here for a year and other than melon pans and mochi bread (rice based bread), I have been let down by every single pastry or bread I have decided to give a try. Sometimes a lot sometimes just a very little, but never have I tried something and been like holly shit thats tastier than it looks. The biggest gap has to be the texture. It does not chew like proper bread. I really don't like the cream they put in stuff either, or the chocolate. It just tastes like damn chemicals.The single time a pastry exceeded my expectation was the Kakegawa melon pan (sold only in the Kakegawa, a tiny ass town) I ate once when I went there for a competition (picrel). It has melon tasting cream, which I'd never expect liking but did. Japan has no place on baking tier lists. On the other hand, when it comes to normal cooking, yeah top 3 if not 1 without any hesitation.Also I would put Vienna higher, and ask is Buenos Aires really in 2? I was there once as a kid and don't remember anything I ate really but like damn if its second I should go back someday.
>>2747395Greek bakeries(Αρτοποιεί) and sweet shops(Ζαχαροπλαστείο) are pretty fire.
>>2747617Argentina has a huge tradition of bakeries and pastries, imported mostly from Italy and France (with some other influences like Welsh Black Cake, Anglo teatime snacks, or Jewish/German Strudel), some of the most famous bakeries are over 120 years old and every neighbourhood is littered with smaller, decent bakeries.Bakeries are very ingrained in the culture because the typical breakfast is very similar to a French- or Italian-style breakfast, that is light and sweet, just a coffee and some pastries, compared to other places in Latin America or the US where breakfasts are heavier and saltier. Having stuff like bacon/ham and eggs for breakfast is considered disgusting here, to stuff yourself with salty, heavy food for breakfast. (At any other time of the day it's fine, it's just weird to start your day with a heavy meal, probably because we have dinner very late at 10 pm so breakfast is supposed to be a light meal to compensate). Then again at afternoon 5 O'clock tea heavy pastries are commonplace. So maybe we just have a sweet tooth as opposed to salty.That said I'm not sure I would rate us as highly as Paris, Vienna, London since these places actually invented the stuff and we just imported/adapted it, but yeah the bakeries are pretty good since they are so ingrained in the culture.
>>2747822Some heavier pastries (usually for afternoon teatime, first pic are more typically breakfast pastries)
I think these rankings are mostly based on desserts. I myself am a big fan of Germany and Switzerland's hearty variety of breads that are typically eaten during meals. I will concede that the French are capable of doing both (meal breads and desserts).
>>2747822>>2747823These look great as everyday pastries that you take for your breakfast, but your average french bakery have those.Then there's real dessert pastries or fine pastry as >>2747855 said. You'll find a few good pastry shop in every city in France, tho some may just make these cakes on the week-ends and make your regular pastries (or "viennoiseries" as we say here) during the week.
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>>2747867Sorry if it comes off as the typical douchy French btw.These argentinan pastries look great, but here we just diferenciate, there's:-"viennoiseries", that's simple everyday pastries (croissants, pain aux chocolat) and are made by Boulangeries (bakeries)and-"patisseries", that are the dessert pastries i posted and are made by Patisseries (pastry shops)
>>2747864>>2747867It's the same here. You have confiterias (confectioneries ?), which make specialized delicacies like cakes, bombons and fine pastries, and panaderias (bakeries) which make regular everyday pastries and different types of bread. Some businesses combine both (panaderia y confiteria), which work as you describe, focusing on churning out the common pastries for weekdays and focusing more on the more delicatessen stuff for weekends.I just wanted to show a slice of everyday life and not some fancy place, the previous pics are literally from the bakery I shop regularly just a few blocks away from my house.
>>2747872https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g312741-d25434837-Reviews-Confiteria_Ideal-Buenos_Aires_Capital_Federal_District.html#/media/25434837/?albumid=-182&type=ALL_INCLUDING_RESTRICTED&category=-182Confiteria Ideal would be an example of one of these confectioneries, where you'd typically buy something for a birthday party or just a fancy teatime get together.
>>2747395Hong Kong and Tokyo have some God tier bakeries. Chinese pastries are unlike traditional Western pastries though, and in my experience Americans don't like them.
>>2747872>>2747873Yeah, these look great, i'm more of a fine pastry guy.
>>2747872>>2747873As for bread, there is a good selection at your typical bakery. (Though like I said at the beginning probably overrated at #2)
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>>2747822thanks for sharing anon! interesting stuff
>>2747822>we have dinner very late at 10 pmsounds completely retardedhow did 10pm dinnertime come to be a thing?
Any city whose bakeries use Crisco, Cool Whip or some other factory garbage instead of real butter & cream doesn't deserve a place on this list.Vientiane has a few great French bakeries run by Laotians who adhere to the authentic recipes. American artisan bakeries can be amazing as well, though often very expensive.
>>2747958My pleasure.>>2747971I don't know, it's just the way it is. Mind you that in Spain they have dinner at 9pm, so already pretty late compared to Northern Europe, here it just got shifted a little further I guess.Probably has to do with siesta. People rarely take siestas anymore but we love them when we can. I remember my first day in Amsterdam, we woke up early had a long nice day exploring and riding a bike throughout the city, then returned and had a nice big siesta at the hotel from 6pm to 8pm, had a shower, went out at 9pm to find some nice place to have dinner, and we got culture shock from discovering everything was closing down or already closed lol. People were already out clubbing (here clubbing starts at 2 am). So yeah pretty much had to adapt my schedule to dining earlier not every country is comprised of night owls I guess.
>>2748037when do you guys go to sleep
>>2748069Typical workday schedule is:Wake up at 7amShower (if you like to shower in the mornings) & Breakfast (like I said it's a quick and light meal, just coffee and some toasts or pastries) Arrive at work at 9amMid-morning snack at about 10-11am (a cereal bar, or some bizcochitos, pastries or cremona bread with mate tea, someone always brings some snack to the office and we all pitch in)1pm lunch (not too heavy but not light either) 5-6pm leave work6pm "tea time" (merienda), some pastries, cookies or toast with coffee or mate tea6pm alternative (happy hour after office at a bar)7pm-8pm typically you'd go to the gym around this time, do some hobby or have a light nap8pm shower (if you shower in the evenings)9pm prepare dinner (heaviest meal of the day)10pm have dinnerwatch some movie, TV, shitpost, vidya whatever12am-1am go to bedSo the typical person gets like 6-7 hours of sleep on workdays, which they may compensate with a little siesta after work on the days they aren't hitting the gym. Or just sleeping more during the weekend. (Sunday mornings for example the city is almost dead)On nights you go clubbing (typically friday or saturday night, RARELY on a thursday)10pm dinner11pm-1am la previa (get together with friends to drink, either at someone's place or a bar)2am arrive at the clubStay awake till dawnGet back home and go to sleep at 7am and sleep off all saturday/sunday morningIf it's on a thursday night you are expected to power through work the following day on no-sleep.But only if it's a special occassion (say someone's wedding thursday night, you ain't gonna miss that). I did that a couple of times when I was younger and I hated it, it's not for me.
>>2748076There's a lot of wasted time there. No wonder your economy is shit.
I'm in the philippines and I would commit murder for some decent fucking sourdough bread.
>>2748079he just described a typical 9 to 5, you idiot
>>2748079I think it's the sleep deprivation, we are still on a siesta schedule but we are no longer doing the siesta (most of us anyway)
>>2748082You'd be surprised how much it does mess with you. Recently, I was at a place where I wasn't able to even get 5 hours of sleep a day. After a week, I was an emotional cunt, and couldn't think as good, and yeah, getting things done in an efficient manner was stressful.
