Anyone here interested in teaching at international schools? I don’t mean get a TEFL certificate online and moving to Thailand, but I mean teaching at schools that are for children of diplomats and business people in foreign countries.All I know is you need a teaching certificate from your home country (I’m working on it) and three years of experience usually (school I’m subbing at says they’ll hire me either as a permanent building sub or assistant teacher).Only thing I’m confused about is the International Baccalaureate. Can’t find much about how to teach it or if there’s a certificate you have to get for it. I’ve seen people even say that schools try to hire people with IB experience but the only way to get that is at IB schools, so it’s a catch-22. Anyone here have answers?
>>2747800You can also use this site to find international schools and what curriculum they teach.https://www.international-schools-database.com/
>>2747800Also, how good is this subreddit?https://old.reddit.com/r/Internationalteachers/
>>2747800I graduated from the IB Programme.It sucks.
>>2747828Wait, so do you teach IB courses now or you were a student in them?Why did they suck?
I know the CELTA certificate is only for people who teach TEFL/TESL/etc.But would it look good on resume when applying at an international school.
>>2747800>teaching certificate from your home countryThis will filter me unless I can do it online. I'm already living in Vietnam and teaching at a center and I could never go back to the US. I'd want to kms.
>>2748042I know a lot of states adopted online only programs at certain schools. There's a school not far from me that does an online only teaching certificate.I would look at schools in the state you're from to see if they offer online only programs. The reason being so you only have to pay instate tuition. Only hiccup for you is probably student teaching. You might be able to get away with it at an international school in Vietnam and have an observer watch you through Zoom. But idk, the curriculum might also have to match up.
>>2747800>Only thing I’m confused about is the International Baccalaureate.International school teacher here. You can do their workshops out of uour own pocket in big International cities or you can her hired and they'll send you for certification or do in-house.For me, I worked in a really shitty IB school in the Middle East to get my 2 years experience (3 years is unlikely to be required) and then I could apply to better schools. In the end that was the only IB school I worked in, I found more interesting positions in other countries with other curricula My advice is to wait until the last minute (July, August) when teachers suddenly decide they're not coming and the schools are desperate or look for countries that are dangerous or perceived as dangerous and apply there.
>>2748065Just curious, where do I find listing for these workshops in these big international cities? Like what site?
>>2748090https://www.ibo.org/professional-development/find-events-and-workshops/
>>2748090Next time thank an anon for giving you tips, dickshit
>>2748065Another international school teacher here—this is solid advice. I only worked in an IB school briefly, as a maternity cover, and I’m an English learner specialist anyway, so my requirements were a bit different from a normal subject teacher, but at least half of my full-time colleagues were trained in the IB methodology by the school after coming from schools with non-IB curricula. So if you’re a licensed subject teacher already, it’s not necessarily a barrier to a job offer at an IB school. When I got my temp job, all they looked at were my degrees and teaching certificate.But look into IB to see if it’s what you’re interested in, of course—lots of job markets have more non-IB schools than IB schools. Many international schools use various national curricula, for example—I know people who’ve taught at English schools, French schools, and “American” schools that teach more or less the same things as the schools in their home countries would have, prepping kids for the same exams.>I put American in quotes above because the US doesn’t really have a standardized national curriculum the way that some other countries do, and also because a couple of international schools I know of with “American” in the name are actually IB schools.
>>2748065I've got seven years of experience in teaching in the USA and doing multiple years now of AP. Had some good interviews but no offers yet. I'm getting ready to put some knee pads on.
What is the pay like at one of these places?
>>2748065>>2748091>>2748137Thank you everyone for the responses and advice so far.>>2748096Fuck off, I had shit to do and couldn't get back to this thread till now.
>>2748152From a year ago, but here's a Google sheet where teacher's submitted the salaries they got in different schools and countries.https://old.reddit.com/r/Internationalteachers/comments/11vn9pa/international_school_salaries_live_sheet/
>>2748065>>2748137So should I not worry about doing IB workshops before applying to schools?
>>2748227>So should I not worry about doing IB workshops before applying to schools?If you’re already looking at a specific opening in a specific IB school, I’m sure having had the training already will increase your competitiveness. But not having had the training isn’t automatically going to disqualify you. And I’m sure it varies by market—some schools are going to get more applicants than others. If you have already applied for a bunch of positions at IB schools and had no offers, maybe IB-specific further education will help.
>>2747800>three years of experience usuallyI hate this standard so much. I have a teaching degree but I've just been subbing for the past 6 months and can't find any full time teaching jobs (I'm Canadian)
>>2748287I’m just a little surprised that you haven’t found a FT gig—I assume you must live somewhere people want to live. I’ve read about teacher shortages all over the place in Canada; maybe the shortages are all in shitholes.
>>2748203These sheets aren’t loading for me.
>>2748287You have to take a hardship posting to get started. I was offered an IB position in Monterrey, North Mexico, it had crazy violence at the time and the job paid only $1200. That's the kind of shit you should be looking at.Look at the IB schools around the world, find one in a city with a bad reputation or just shit - Caracas, Lagos, Baku etc and carefully read their mission statement, their whole website, their message from the principal etc and make a cover letter that shows you have done so. You can also look at some lesser known cities in China.You might want a job in Bangkok or Rio or some other place but tough shit, so does everyone else. I've had to eat shit for years to get where I am. Be bold and intrepid and live somewhere kind of wild. I've worked in Nigeria and Mali among others. It wows some HR staff/teachers and I get an interview. Makes me stand out and seem resilient and highly adaptable and flexible. Alternatively, stop getting so hung up on IB. Be flexible. Teach AP for example, there's an American school fucking everywhere. But you'll still be best to get a hardship posting first.
>>2748384Internationalteachersalary.com is a recent website created where people from the internationalteaching subreddit post their packages. I'm looking into taking up a job overseas myself to get away from the USA.
>>2748280Okay, quick question about those workshops. I'm getting my certificate to teach English 7th to 12th Grade. I found this workshop catalogue that tells you which workshops to take.https://ecatalogue.ibo.org/publication/?m=53719&l=1I know I would take both the Middle Years and Diploma Programme intro workshops, and the Middle Years section does have a workshop for Language and Literature.That being said, in the Diploma Programme, there seems to be multiple workshops for the literature subject (see pic related), and I'm not sure which ones I'm suppose to take if I'm going to be a literature teacher (I know its the one's labeled Language A, which means the student's primary language). Like, what is the difference between Language A: Language and Literature, Language A: Language and Literature (generic), Language A: Literature, Language A: Literature (generic), Language Ab Initio, Language Ab Initio (generic), and Literature and performance (SL)?Can't find anything that tells me the difference between these.
>>2748447“Ab initio” courses in the IB system refer to classes for students who don’t really know or are still learning the language. So they’re typically for students who have just completed language acquisition/ESL/EFL courses (or are taking them simultaneously, or are getting 1:1 assistance from a learning support teacher). They’ll have more emphasis on basic reading comprehension than ordinary classes, which in the MYP do a lot of work—maybe too much work—with basic composition and rhetoric concepts.SL and HL stand for “standard level” and “high level,” which corresponds roughly to honors/advanced/in some cases AP classes. So a diploma HL course will bear the most resemblance to an advanced high school lit class in a native English-speaking country, while the SL and MYP versions may come across as slightly more remedial.
>>2748713Oh, and Literature and Performance is probably theatre/recitation-focused? I know my kids did a lot of performance in their MYP classes, but I never taught it myself.
funny, I work in the IB but not in a department that could help youyou seem to know your shit though so good luck
>>2748713Thanks you, that really helped.
>>2748713One more question, I'm seeing workshops in Bangkok, KL and Mexico City. Never been to any. Any idea which city is the most gay-friendly/best nightlife? TY
>>2748912Fucking gross dude. Stay home and suck dicks
>>2748912You shouldn't be around kids faggot
>>2748912Bangkok
>>2749098Thank you
