What is the modern day equivalent of paris in the 20s, NYC in the 80s? Where is a creative renaissance happening, and where will we see influential artists emerge out of?
>>2748056Bemidji, MN
>>2748056Buenos Aires
>>2748056the internet
Nowhere. Closest things you’ve got are any major city where there are writers/musicians/artists and the internet. You want my advice? Move to a T2 or T3 city like Philadelphia, Washington, Seattle, St. Louis, etc. and find decent internet communities to use LIGHTLY (not Reddit or 4chan). Another lesser but admittedly useful for some people alternative is college towns. t. Published writer, tried them all
Globohomo doesn't allow creativity. Only nepo homosexuals get creative jobs from filthy jews which they do extremely poorly.
>>2748056vienna was more important than paris
>>2748056Tokyo, for fetish comics and escapism cartoons. Nowhere else even comes close.San Francisco for shitty generated art that looks vaguely romantic or animeish or something.Austin for comedy skits about trannies and cold showers or something.That is it all other art forms are dead, pick your favorite.
>>27481884chan is becoming an absolute waste of time. I can't remember the last time I seen good information here. You could have passed out on to your keyboard just now, and I wouldn't know the difference.
>>2748189I answered your question big guy, sorry it's not 1920
>>2748056El Salvador if ya know, ya know
>>2748190If it was 1920, your IQ would be 25 points higher, because you're not breathing in as much CO2, and I would be able to have something that resembled a productive conversation.
>>2748193you're a massive bitch fuck off back to wherever you came from
>>2748243Yeah, emotional outburst like this comes when the logic centers are receiving toxic gases as fuel.
>>2748056It's not an answer that the fat weebs on this board will like, but probably SeoulConsidering that American (and more generally western) culture is deteriorating, Japan seems to have forgotten how to make any art except for pedophilic cartoons, and no other place's culture appears to have any global appeal
>>2748056>le creative rennisonceArt is gay, and so are you. /trv/ is not a gay-friendly board. You'd be better off dropping in on any faggot rainbow-flag town if you want to enjoy le art scene.
>>2748274I’m the writer guy from up above. My personal experience living as a sort-of artist in Tokyo and Seoul was terrible. The sort of expat writer/artist thing was a particular phase within Western culture. When you go abroad, it’s like poison for authenticity, honestly. My personal take is that OP should understand they’re looking for something that appears only in a particular epoch. He is like a 18th or 19th century writer going “where are the Gregorian monasteries filled with scholastics”. Sorry, bro those are gone. They disappeared c. 1400. What he should do instead is figure out what is most appropriate for his time. Obviously, the internet is the biggest space for socializing nowadays. These days I personally split my time between a small cottage I bought in upstate New York and my brother’s house in New York City and that works for me. I travel in between to get short changes in scenery. As a writer, the ideal is either to speak to the common experience or to speak to something cool unique and interesting. So you’ve got to plant yourself in places where you can do that. My best writing was done in the suburbs and for about 4 months I worked on a horse ranch out West. Why? The former was normal and the latter was unique. Living in Brooklyn during that time I suspect would’ve just made my writing obnoxious and detached. This is how I think it’s good for these people to think about where to live if they’re interested in art. They have to understand the place is secondary. If you’re even asking the question, you’re doing something wrong. You should be wherever best allows you to create and if you don’t know where that is, you’re not focusing enough on creating.
>>2748188HH digits of truth>>2748189You can seethe and cope all you want but that anon is 100% right. Culture as an ideal is dead. There are no longer coffee shops with writers and composers brooding looking out onto the street watching passerbys. Universities no longer produce your Tolkeins. Small communities are all but destroyed by the digitization and globalization of their focus.Only place that has any sort of spirit of artistic communities is Tokyo. Even then its really quite specialized. You can find street musicians at Shibuya and then visit your favorites at the local clubs they perform at. They all perform on the sidewalk with a mutally agreed schedule. Most are friends. Comiket is still mostly non commercial where you can meet creators. Rents cheap enough and fashion popular enough (unlike the US for example where mixed race mutts can barely dress themselves) that any idiot who can gather enough followers on twitter can run a pop up store somewhere in the city for their hand made clothes. But this isnt quite the level of artisitc talent of fitzgerald or bradbury or sakamoto
>>2748311Art is the means by which Mankind can pursue the true purpose of human life, to glorify creation, seriously consider suicide
>>2748337>If you’re even asking the question, you’re doing something wrong. You should be wherever best allows you to createThis is OPThank you for the genuine response. This is actually why I am asking this question. I just got back from Tokyo actually, and wasnt sure if I found what I was looking for there. I can sense an energy in the air, but something about the culture to me seems like it would stifle true creative pursuits. Its was also harder for me to find the scenes I was looking for than other places Ive been, and english isnt that widely spoken. As well as the audience for my work is largely western, thats the market I know, being so far away from that world seems counter intuitive for creating for that world. But it does have a lot of positives too dont get me wrong. And I havent completely written out Tokyo for more long term. I live in NYC right now, and the cost of living is feels too high to really be able to experiment and play around with any projects. Other creatives Ive known have moved out for the same reason. And many of the folks I meet that do art full time come from money, or they established themselves somewhere else and moved to NYC after having a thriving career. It seems hard to "make it" here. And hiring people on seems impossible. Im kinda leaning towards Paris right now. I think something about the french and Paris fetishize creativity for some reason. COL is more reasonable, and your still connected to the western world. Was able to meet a lot of collaborators, and its more reasonable to hire people on for things. Kinda just blog posting at you, apologies. But I am in a bit of a conundrum of where to move my career. And I was hoping this thread could give me some sort of direction.
>>2748337>>2748342Nice, a fart sniffer. Haven't seen one of those in awhile.
>>2748356I used to live in Philadelphia and I found Philadelphia to be a sort of budget New York. If you like New York, consider trying Philadelphia. Pittsburgh also has some merits. I’ve never lived there but visited friends there often since I went to college in Pennsylvania and many of them ended up there once we graduated. Both are very cheap compared to other big and east coast cities. The one thing I will say is that as I got older and deeper into writing, it became really clear to me how valuable authenticity is. I think there’s a lot to be said for being in a bigger city like New York simply because there are more people, more artists, more career opportunities (in my case more publishers). That makes it easier to get your stuff out there. But making stuff good, in my opinion, includes finding authenticity. And so for me, one of the best things I did was move home unironically. I found so much inspiration once I moved home that I started exploring my own area’s history and landscape in a way I didn’t before and actually that was right before I got a bigger publishing deal for the first time, so when I actually got some traction. I had built those connections in the city but the product only became truly good, in my opinion, when I went home. I don’t think that’s necessary, but it’s worth considering I think. As a writer, it’s important to understand your reader. A lot of readers are coastal MFA types who work at colleges and just want to read the newest MFA out of Manhattan or whatever, but a lot of people also crave authentic experience and expression. I try to provide the latter in a way that’s palatable to the former.
>>2748188>TokyoNo. Japan is retro, all their creativity is 80s based, even anime today.>Nowhere else even comes close.My hotel had a radio attached to the bed, youre either a weeb or a tourist living there and is wowed by neon lights.The tourist attractions have Goko and Gundam stantues, 1980s, Akira motorcycles, 1908s...its stuck in the past.
>>2748356>>2748368I wouldn’t go to Paris personally. I mean, visit and give it a whirl if you want. You’re probably right about the French valuing creativity most (French creativity in reality), but I really think all of these major international cosmopolitan cities are so sterilized by commercialism and cost of living or else immigration crises that it’s not worth it anymore. I suppose there’s something interesting in the latter and writers have done this, but even they lament where they are a lot of the time. I really do believe that artistic talent, to whatever small degree it still exists Has fled to tier 2 and tier 3 cities in their home countries simply because they’re cheaper and still a little organic, same as everyone else really. But the most interesting things I’m seeing are coming out of forgotten places: small college towns and home towns, abandoned rust belt cities, little hippie enclaves in the south and southwest. I think you basically have to find your voice as an artist and then root where is most appropriate. Like I always imagined it would make sense for a writer of sword and sorcery fantasy to relocate to England, but for a writer of Po-Mo poetry to stay in New York. It all just depends on what you’re doing and what you aspire to do. You can’t put the place first. You have to put the art or your career or whatever you live on or for first. If you ever make it, your legacy is what you made, not where you made it. And just remember that to a huge degree, artists feed off economic activity. So just figure out where is booming and go there. You know you can’t really go wrong by going to the cultural hub (New York, LA basically), where the money is (Austin these days, I guess, maybe SF I don’t really know) or just home where you’re from. I’m from Upstate NY and that’s why I’m here. But in my opinion, the best alternative to any of these 3 is just cheaper tier 2 cities like Philly, Chicago, Columbus, Nashville, etc.
>>2748374Tokyo is okay for a creative physically simply because you can see and do a lot by foot and there are lots of shops you can post up to get creative juices flowing, and I suspect that if you could find a way to plug into the manga and anime community, that would be helpful as well, at least if you write low brow fantasy shit or pop fiction. Just being able to talk to other creatives can help sometimes. But the problem with places like Tokyo or Seoul or even Shanghai, Hong Kong, Beijing, are that first of all you’re an expat so you’re always stuck in the expat mode of thinking no matter what and these places are so insanely commercialized that they start to feel sterile, which gets depressing but it’s the bad kind of depressing for a creative. That’s why I think OP should just find a cheaper but bigger city in his home country or close to home, plant himself there, find or develop a group (writers do this with writers’ groups all the time - they’re usually less than 10 people) and just partake in that. New York is the Mecca for publishing, galleries, all that so if and when he makes a name for himself he might want to relocate to New York to let the career really take off, but in the meantime budget New Yorks like Chicago and Philadelphia are preferable to Tokyo, Seoul. Being stuck in the 80s, which you might be right about, has little to do with this. Most of America looks like it’s from 1970.
>>2748337The question in the OP was not about "where is best for me to write", but rather where many artists are emerging out of, and I stand by my response of Seoul. It has seen an unprecedented number of film directors, cinematographers, writers, cartoonists, musicians etc. who are getting worldwide recognition emerge in the last 10-20 years and I am very hopeful about the future of the place (if the whole country doesn't collapse). The city is kinda ugly and depressing but I guess that's often what causes people to turn to art and find solace therein.
>>2748494Oh, I see, you thought this was /int/. This is the travel board, faggot.
>>2748056NYC in the 1980s was fuelled by a the nouveau riche adopting the globohomo desire to be as cosmopolitan as possible purely as a status symbol, because poors couldn't afford to indulge. Peacocking to each other about how the Gambian drumming they heard last night at the Guggenheim was so authentic. Only reason it worked was because of immigrants providing ethnic entertainment to these clowns. Some creativity did result. Now of course NYC has become homogeneous and boring.
something big is going on in buenos aires i can tell you that
By the time people figure out creative movements are happening, it's over. But you need a place to be cheap/poor enough to not push out artists, you need a place dense enough that people can collaborate and can have an audience, and you need a media environment that can document and amplify the work and the people making it. My guess is that Philadelphia's going to be the next place.
>>2748562yeah you're 100 percent waffling
>>2748741hopefully. we could you use the bleedoff into trenton and camden
