Why don't we have a general for akiya homes? For people who got one, thinking about getting one, etc. Tips, tricks, general japan real estate discussion, whatever. Are akiya homes still cheap and available? Any good deals you saw recently?
>>2824098>Why don't we have a general for akiya homes?because they're akiya for a reason: almost nobody wants them
>>2824098Because nobody fucking knows what you're even talking about you dumb weeb faggot.[-]
this belongs in /jp/ methinks, but yes akiya are still common and still go for cheap
>>2824098wtf are we gonna talk about, the prospects of buying a house in a country most of us will not live in where they speak a language we don't know
>>2824098>house: :|>house, japan: :O
i have 1k dollars in my bank account is this enough to buy a "akiya" house?
>>2824098>Why don't we have a general for akiya homes?Because no one on /trv/ is going to bother to buy one.No one, not stationed in the military or long term stable job is realistically going to bother with them or talk about them here.The amount of hoops you need to jump through to get approval for land ownership, then find a seller that will work with you on it, then do all the paperwork to own one, then all the upkeep required to maintain your job and home. Is something you just either do or don't do.
>>2824390>The amount of hoops you need to jump through to get approval for land ownership, then find a seller that will work with you on it, then do all the paperwork to own one, then all the upkeep required to maintain your job and home. Is it that hard? Im thinking of doing it unironically
>>2824426Last I looked, and rules may have changed but I doubt it has that much in the past few years off the top of my head are:1. Need a long-term visa if not resident card2. Need a traditional Japanese bank account with stamp no JCB you opened up randomly. This goes without saying that you'll need a job(almost always) or proof of absurd amounts of funds for anything that could come up in the next 20 years.3. Going to need to buy in full cash + taxes + fees and often prove you know how to pay utilities/taxes/insurance on your estate4. Have to buy in an area that allows it, not all areas just allow you to buy whatever think HOA committes on crack5. Have to show you know how to maintain the house and such if not there 100% of the timeProbably forgetting some nuances but it's a quite a few hurdles, it's more possible to buy around the bases but that's the gist of what you'll need AFTER finding a foreigner friendly agent ReMAX has a few IIRC. I've seen reddit posts where it's "lol not that hard" then forgetting to mention their wife or boyfriend is a native and they essentially got the red tape cut by that alone.
They are a bad idea and bad investment Owning property doesn't guarantee you a visa or residence in JapanThe properties are old and need repair and maintaince, maybe someone even died in thereThey are rural away from everything, which is nice if you want a peaceful life but you would need to be self sufficient working at home or wealthy so why choose thisIf you have kids there may not be a schoolYou won't make friends thereNothing to do there so you need to fund your own entertainment at home Considering all that the price isn't reasonable
>>2824203yeah but7-11 : |7-11 japan :D I would unironically pick up dinner from a 7-11 (or Lawson or whatever) if I couldnt make it to a grocery store. When was the last time you had a 7-11 DINNER?
>>2824648does it really matter if they are a bad investment when they are so fucking cheap? like I don't think anyone buys an akiya expecting them to appreciate
>>2824660I meant investment for your future, you'll never be able to sell it, you'll spend more repairing it, so if you have money to throw away why choose akiya
>>2824098Akiyas are just abandoned houses in varying degrees of disrepair, often in locations with a smaller population. They're a good investment if you:>Want to live in Japan>Can get a Japanese visa (just owning the house doesn't grant you one)>Have the money to repair it>Have a way to make money when living in Japan in a location far away from urban centersIf you fill all of these highly specific criteria then sure, buy one. But chances are you don't.
>>2824660I'll sell you rocks for cheap. Would you still buy my rocks? A lot of these houses are worth less than rocks, with my rock at least you don't have to:>pay annual property tax>pay a monthly community fee>maintain the house, cut grass during summer, etcThere's no paperwork involved too, hand over your cash and I'll give you my rocks.Unless you actually plan on living in the house and somehow make money off of it when you're not around, it's overall just a bad idea romanticized by weebs falling for the epic rural Japan tiktok house restoration driving your ebin keitruck whateverthefuck bullshit you're being fed with on social media. The good thing is at least no one will actually be uprooting their entire lives and throwing away their money because in the first place the language barrier when dealing with the paperwork with deter any undetermined weab, and ultimately none of them have residency, and those that do are probably stuck in a deadend eikaiwa job, which means buying a house is out of the question.t. actually fell for the epic rural Japan tiktok house restoration bullshit, but instead of just larping online I took my time and waited for the right house to show up. This guy has the perfect summary >>2824681
>>2824660If all you want is a cheap house just move to the midwest, probably less mold and Akiya houses are fucking dogshit to renovate unless you hire someone who's worked on them/built them.picrel>inb4 NOOO NOT MUH HEKKIN AMERICANO PLACE I NEED SOVL
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>>2824977Nta but this isn’t too much of shithole, it just needs to be slightly more maintained and then it’s pretty fair
>>2824977>922 KB>>2825042>1.12 MBDid you seriously give it a tribute and hand it back to him?...
>>2825053He smoothed out the driveway and cleared the plants from the front of the house.
>>2824977>>2825042compare this $50,000 garbage shack to an akiya you can get 5 minutes away from a city like fukuoka in japan
>>2825066>that 50,000 garbage shackAnon can actually probably live there because he is an amerimutt.>that akiya you keep dreaming aboutAnon probably can't live there because he doesn't have residency in Japan, at most it can be used for holidays, but yeah nah anon probably can't even buy that house because of the paperwork involved.
>>2825066>>2825090with what anon said, Japan is like this to begin with is because they put up such a barrier. if there were no barrier, Chinese would own literally everything already
>>2824977>>2825042A house like this would be $5k in Japan, if that.Even a nice house 30 mins from Tokyo center is like $250k
>>2825264>A house like this would be $5k in Japan, if that.Forgetting that you need residency firstForgetting you need to fix all that up, a 5k house in Japan will need a LOT of workForgetting that tax in Japan is 5-20x for it (people going to be like WTF +40% income tax!??!)Forgetting the Japanese local gov has to approve you to move inForgetting those "cheap houses" are going to require a car, insurance on it, possible tolls, expensive gas+parking, just to get to work dailyYeah "only 5k" feel free to go show me one. That house in question is just one of many 50k houses you could move into in the midwest of the USA and with a car, low taxes, etc.>>2825066The point being is that the is a far higher level of effort to get to that point than anything like that. People don't realize the sticker price of a home isn't all you should be thinking about.
>>2824976Rural Japan isn't full of angry brainwashed heavily armed retards looking for an excuse to murder their neighbor though
>>2825344What are you doing to get people so angry at you they would want to gun you down? Jogging in work boots?
>>2824098they're literally giving away land for free: https://zero.estate whats the catch?
>>2825344He was suggesting moving to rural white America where the murder rate is low, not urban black America.
>>2825395Get one and tell us
>>2825395>whats the catch?They are listed at 0 not promised at 0No work or jobs within a reasonable distance and no you're not working at lawsons as a GajinProperty tax is not estimated so your house could be valued at 200k or 20k It could be uninsurable Foundation/roofing/supports could be shot or needs some kind of heavy repairs such as mold in the wallsLocation to actual workIt may only be open to those with correct permits (think auction houses, certified banking associates, project developers)Could be in a known flood zone or natural disaster placeThese things to get up to code need new fireproofing standards which Japan only implemented like a few decades ago and it costs as much as a houseThere could (and this is most likely the case) a lien on the house due to foreclosure, unpaid taxes, owner missing, etc. The house is "technically free" AFTER you pay the bank lien or state lien(usually being taxes and interest). All these things must be paid upfront in cash to clear any bad debt. These exist in the USA, if you've ever heard of the "buy it for a dollar" plan some cities run it's basically that. USUALLY, these are because bankers or investment agencies can't move the house because something about it is not worth the repairs.It's like how you can go to iaai.com and get a sports car for <5k with under 100k miles easily that starts and runs and will get you around, though the second a mechanic looks at it he'll tell you the frame is rusted, headgasket showing signs of cracking, and you won't pass any inspection; but hey you got a sports car! Sure it just costs you 40k in repairs but ya know it's a deal**! Hope you like cleaning and being your own handyman.
the key to investing in jap property is to just spend a little over 100k to buy commercial space in Tokyo or Osaka. that way you get constant income from whatever company you lease to. people will pay lots of yennies even for small space in an old run-down building, you can sub-divide everything too and get really shitty slumlord-style with it because there's an endless supply of people wanting to open offices so they have legal presence in a city with favorable tax/legal policies(say for example, sendai company realizes they're getting tax-raped, relocates "head office" to tokyo and gets put in a lower bracket, keeps actual operations in sendai and just sends some secretary-type down to Tokyo to sit in front of a phone all day). the buy an akiya or old house is a psyop because japs never buy old property and demolition costs money so real estate agents that work with foreigners figured out they could massively upsell these properties and market them abroad as DUDE FREE LMAO. they are hoping you take the bait and spend 10k on property that gives you no advantage and only exists as a liability to you. then when you want to exit you realize you can't sell, can't renovate, and need to demo and sell the land anyway. they are offloading demo work cost to YOU and you're taking the bait.
>>2825383Having a surname that isn't "Smith", "Jones", or "Miller", wearing glasses, and having a college education
>>2825656Sunil please go back to India
The government is working on plans to prevent foreign parasites from buying/reselling/running AirBNBs. “Investing” in housing now is like investing in used sofas. Property here has never been considered an investment and there’s a post-Covid bubble with chinks and fags buying up land because they think it’ll pay off, but that’s coming to an end soon.
>>2825915Imagine if America did this
>>2825915airbnb is already regulated here. if you believe any of this you've been psyopped. the chinese airbnb issue is caused by osaka deregulating airbnbs because some retard decided they didn't have enough hotels for the expo(and probably has a bunch of commie slumlord friends) - they're still regulated to the point of being non-profitable outside like two areas in osaka.
>>2825915I've heard stories about how hard it is to even get a decent apartment over there because some Chink will show up at the last minute with a briefcase full of money to outbid you.
>>2825974And those chinks are sharing advice to do so on this very board. Sad to see, really.
>>2824745>>2825626Can an anon with a real, pleasant property that they actually live in (or rent to tenants) explain their process?
>>2827453I've leased to people back home, what's your question. "How do I become a landlord?" that's way too much for a conversation on 4chan.if you assume it's buy house->lease out for X dollars->make bank. LOL. Some places you can do that, the US is often pretty lax in midwest states, but many others for long term actual lease signed and agreed is hellish.
>>2827455I wasn't asking for something as general as that, and I know it's not a simple process. Was just looking to hear a little bit from a JP anon who had gone through the property process. I'll probably never be in a position to buy.
>>2827466what do you even mean explain the process? process of what? buying the property? renting it? renovation and compliance with local laws? just gonna assume you mean purchase, it goes something like: >find a real-estate agent, establish some kind of connection with him>search entire market for properties using aggregator sites>use your gaijin-friendly agent to approach the owners with an offer>agree on terms of purchase and create purchase agreement>sign purchase agreement >transfer money, agent handles paperwork transferring property to youwe basically need to buy in cash or with foreign-sourced loan since jap banks only lend to permanent residents. >>2825974bidding wars are only really something that happens w/ commercial real estate or in shinkiba/odaiba(which is where these chinky bidding wars for condos all the japs are freaking out about are happening since they built a bunch of trashy "luxury" housing on landfill and nobody with any sense wants them)
>>2824187Pro tip: everyone but you knows what they are
>Weebs not understanding what loneliness in a foreign country feels like, let alone in japanAnon, you'll be either buying a piece of shit whose walls are made of paper with cicadas buzzing louder than human voices, termites that have been munching on anything thats made of wood (i.e everything), or you'll get a relatively livable house but you'll get tangled up in an inheritance fuckfest so hard you'll wish you could hunt down everyone involved and their families for good measure. But the absolute worst thing is the loneliness. No one understands what you say, let alole understand you as a person. No friends, no contacts beside whoever you meet on the internet. Only old folks who are just waiting to die in squalor. This isnt the japan you want to experience.
>>2825344>brainwashed>thinks Kamala or Bernie Sanders would have been great presidents I bet you unironically think Antifa are the good guys too.
>>2825344You sound like you took the clot shot at least 2 times with 8 boosters.
>>2825383>>2825400He needs to stay in his globohomo, tranny/nig worshipping containment zone called a city. Rural America is full and doesn't need any more of these retards.
>>2828603/trv/ might be the board with the strongest urban/rural divide
>>2828600>>2828601>>2828603Please seek help>>>/pol/
>>2827466I did most the research to move to Japan.The short of it is unless you're won the visa lottery there, or the way I was going for it. Was US military IT contracts with a game plan after ~10 years moving to some other kind of job maybe working for Dell/HP/Cisco as an English speaking tech with some Japanese.Kanagawa has some nuisances for Americans and foreigners, but housing prices are more or less fucked there due to the foreigner "tax" real estate agents can get away with. Honestly unless you shack up with a native or have Pewd's level of cash to throw around, it's not going to be worth it.Practically speaking, take everything you know about buying a home in your home country then Japanese it. Either completely throw loans out of the window or have a huge interest rate that would make Caleb Hammer die. Then take an HOA and implement it on yourself because most places will have something very similar to an HOA despite it not technically having any real authority, they can make your life a living hell though.>b-b-but my investor's visa!This requires a HUGE business project detail you can't go in with the 300k(I think) and say yeah going to just open up a burger joint and sell american food lol. It's something I know a few friends tried to do with their crypto winnings, only to find out they need a local bank, friendly realtor, everything included with owning a home basically, and then can submit their proposal.
>>2824191It's not about won't or don't speak. It's about you literally can't live there as someone not making money. You can't go there and buy a house and live there. You need a reason. A spouse, a student visa, work visa, a lot of money to start a business and employ 2 Japanese people. something. And none of us here want that.
>>2825264Post both of them, just basic examples that are ready to move in with little to no maintenance. For laughs I took a look and I can't find whatever the hell you're on about. I always hear weebs say this stupid shit but when asked where these magical things exist in Japan are, it's all silence. Looking on ReMax, picrel was the closest I could find which is 1hr to Shinjuku station to get on the tokyo/yamanote loop.This is before closing costs and agent fees, inspections, someone to file all the additional appropriate paperwork you have 0 clue about, taxes, and assuming you have all that cash upfront as you aren't getting a mortgage as a foreigner. Not going to get into taxes since that' comes down to a lot of assessments and so on, and seems like it can flux between 2-5% depending on a few factors.One funny thing about Japan is they can be pretty anal about how you take care of your home, think HOA levels, meaning if you solely go on the visa-free system you're going to be paying someone 6/mo out of the year to come around and touch up the place.Again, please go ahead and post your housing because ReMax is one of the few agencies that will take up the task of dealing with a gaijin.
>>2829100That's a house in the middle of nowhere. Its true value, at its completely new state, is half of that. You'd be lucky to get 15% of that back a few years down the road.
>>2829124>in tokyo prefecture>middle of nowhereAnon I....
>>2824484funny how these retards dont reply to you. yes you can own a home but no you cannot live in it forever. everything you said is correct.. its very difficult to buy a home in japan. most of the time they want you to renovate the place according to earthquake codes in a certain time frame. its more for renting out, but then again nobody lives in these towns anyway.
>>2828603>Rural America is full and doesn't need any more of these retards.And rural Japan, where these houses primarily are, need fat gaijins coming in?
>>2830664Yes.>>2828629Probably up there with /out/, though is a lot of homeless schizos there too.>>2824655Familymart has amazing food. It's on a whole other level.>>2824745How much for the rocks?
>>2832362>icanfixher.jpg>1996>listed for +1 yearI would bet a good chunk of change the foundation got cracked or is slipping because "muh hecking house on a hill!"
>>2832387>listed for +1 yearJapan has 9 million empty homes anon, you seem to think it's like whatever shithole you're from
>>2832445Not my argument in the slightest. I understand that it's clear you've not done home shopping ever in your life but at least take some basic YT level things to consider before home ownership. A house that has not been properly maintained in HVAC, vines crawling into the side and roof, mold inspection (big for japan), and so on is going to need a lot of work. House issues snowball, especially multi story ones which are compounded when on a hillside like that. I simply don't understand why this board goes WOW HECKING CHEAP HOUSE BUT JAPAN!!! without realizing Japanese environment is detrimental to housing due to basic weather events and geology.
>>2832455Meanwhile in my country>50% more expensive>4 hours inland drive from Perth, the most isolated city on Earth>photos show it was clearly inhabited by junkie tenants>insane town with huge amounts of crime>literally known for the worst murders ever committed in the state>under offer after 3 weeks on the marketI know perfectly well how to renovate a house and have done it to absolute shitholes. The main issue with japan is not having something like Bunnings(Home depot).The western world is fucked, if you are going to do up a holiday house, Japan or southern Europe is ripe.
>>2832503>sells out to chang and company>WHY IS EVERYTHING WRONG WITH CHANGS COUNTRY AFFECT MY COUNTRY!
>>2824098if there was an asian union and i could have an akiya house, then freely travel to thailand for weekend hookers I think it would be worth doing.
>>2834689funny I'm trying to decide between Japan and Thailand now. Japan has better long term prospects as far as living long term maybe starting a family and obviously buying a home. Thailand really makes it much harder to live there. >>2824098I love how most of the people in this thread turn into westoid boomers when asked about buying a house in another country. If you want to live in japan buying an akiya is not a fucking investment it'd a fucking house to LIVE in, fuck sake.
>>2834828>. If you want to live in japan buying an akiya is not a fucking investment it'd a fucking house to LIVE in, fuck sake.Spoken like a true retard.A house is an investment, one you live in. If nothing else it's an investment into yourself and lifestyle. All of these houses are going to need a fair bit of repairs and fixes, be it up to code standards, fixing leaks from years of no one living in them, unmolding shit, getting rid of critters that nested etc. All that takes time, money and energy to accomplish which guess what? It's an investment into. If you're not willing to pour a lot into it, most of which you won't get back, you're wasting your time.Zoomer brains out here thinking investment only means stock options and $$$ flipping lmao.
