Barrels have no honor!Previously on /trek/ >>214062316
star trek sex with shran
>>214080958Combed
Boy, Friendship One was certainly a bizarre way to wind down the series. What a downer episode. At least so far anyway. I've seen these episodes before but never really remember how they end.
>>214081311Yet another Voyager episode that Enterprise copied.
>>214081349Which Enterprise episode was that?
>>214080950Worf is notThe King of Kong
>>214081568Terra Novait even aired the same year
>>214081647Had to look it up. Agree that they're somewhat similar. This is what I mean about Voyager just doing a solid job with science fiction in general. It might not be the best Trek but it's very good sci fi.
Spock is my favorite Star Trek character. I find it fascinating that they've restained themselves from making a slew of overt "Spock clone" characters in all of the future series, since he's such a popular character. He's one of the reasons why TOS is so special
The latest SNW episode was worse than Riker's dream filler episode holy shit
>>214081311>almost made it
Star Trek couples with this dynamic?
>>214082420You people have weird reactions to things. I remember being underwhelmed by the "aliens trapped in a quantum immortality prison" episode while everyone said it was the best one of the season. I enjoyed this silly Vulcan episode and now people are calling it one of the worst of all time. I guess....I'll just never have popular opinions. Which I like because it means at least I have my own mind and I'm not an NPC. Anyway, what happened to Legos? Remember when they used to be simple?
>>214082479>writers thought they killed him off in S1 which is why he's only in time travel episodes >remember that they didn't so they bring him back in S7>THEN they kill him off
>>214082479Poor Carey. Fuckin 7 years of bullshit. AND Voyager had just established communications with the Alpha Quadrant so he probably got to speak to his wife and kids and raise their hopes just before he died. Fuckin asshole radiation aliens. They fuck up their own planet and blame Earth.
>>214082420>vulcans don't touch their food
>>214082576For me it's Janeway finding out Mark already moved on with another chick a few months after she went missing
>>214082617>The episode title emphasizes he's only half human. I don't know, it was funny when Patton Oswalt was a Vulcan nerd for human culture. Out of an entire planet of Vulcans, there had to be one right? It was also true that he had good chemistry with Una. Basically, fuck you all, I thought it was the best episode this season.
>>214082619That was earlier when they were able to send letters. Carey mentions having a wife and kids in Friendship One in season 7, and in like the previous episode, Doctor, Doctor, (which should have been titled Photons Be Free), they're able to have live conversations with people for 3 minutes each. Poor, poor Carey. Lmao. Janeway getting dumped kinda tracks for her though. She's way too big a nerd.
>>214082619And he put the dog to sleep too.
>>214082576>They fuck up their own planet and blame Earth.So basically Africa and Colonial Empires?
>>214082706How does Patton "I murdered my wife" Oswalt still find work?
>>214082777Heh. Digits check out. Sorry Mollie.
>>214082479Is that O'Brien's younger brother?
>>214082784A question which, if followed to its logical end, should make you completely stop watching all TV and movies and stop reading books written in the last 300 years. Since I'm weak and am hopelessly addicted to these forms of entertainment that I was raised on since I was a small child, I pretend that he's not a murderer and acknowledge that he was fascinatingly good at playing "emotionless."
>>214082521Koss with T'Pol and Trip.
>>214082188I liked Tuvok in Voyager.And Data basically filled that role in TNG.
>>214082825No, he was actually competent.
>>214082936I'd say 7 is more the Spock than Tuvok.
>SEVEN: Two hours, thirty seven minutes, thirteen seconds. That's how long we've gone without verbal communication.>TUVOK: Why is that remarkable?>SEVEN: The Doctor encourages me to engage in conversation during awkward silences.>TUVOK: Did you find the silence awkward?>SEVEN: No.>TUVOK: Nor did I.Just wanted to pop in and say that 7/Tuvok is an extremely underrated pairing and it's a delight in the handful of times it happens>The Raven>Year of Hell>Infinite Regress>Tsunkatse
>>214083048She doesn't show up until season 4 or something.
>>214083122Tuvok paired up well with everyone.
>>214083048In both the TNG and VOY cast, Spock's role was split between multiple characters depending on the story.
>>214083172His dry wit makes half the show for me
>>214083244Definitely underutilized. Thinking about it now the lack of Tuvok centric episodes makes me hate Harry Kim even more.
>>214083172>>214083048>>214082936>>214082188Who's the Spock of DS9?
>>214083399It was supposed to be Jadzia but the actress sucked
>>214083399Odo for the struggle to humanize himself and competence, they wanted it to be Dax for the science stuff but I never bought it.
>>214083399I'd say Odo until he got all lovey dovey and I hated him.
>>214083485>>214083543God early early Dax is so bad>producers: you are female Yoda>uhhh okay
>>214084257Not as bad as early Bashir
>>214084412>GOOD MORNING MADAME BOB AND VAGENE??? RAPE U TOMORROW OK BITCH
TOS girls are the hottestgreat tummy>neuron activationI also like the anime logic of rank=power in this episode, where a 60 year old captain is capable of kicking everyone's ass
>>214082521Wait. I've got it. William. It's a great name. William O'Brien. It's got a nice ring to it.
>>214084431Pretty accurate depiction ngl
Would First Contact be better if zephram Cockring died in the Borg attack, and Picard had to take his place like history like Sisko did Albert Bell in "Past Tense"?I think so
>>214082188do you like his full vulcan brother and full human sister?
>>214082188>overt "Spock clone" All post TOS characters have an "outsider" character that is not human and offers a different perspective about it. Data, Odo, EMH, T'Pol?
>>214084005That's why I love the episode Chimera
>>214085176And all nutreks traded those for Le Quirky Nerd Girl She's So Awkward Ecks Dee: Tilly, Jurati, Tendi, Rok Tak, Chapel
i'm sorry but i liked Odo in love. the episode where Vic helps him was just great. Odo playing the piano and smiling like a retard because he's having so much fun was the cutest shit ever. i get if you hate it but i couldn't. my heart isn't that hardened.of course Odo becomes SHIT later on and I ended up kinda hating him but hey
>>214085176They need the one weird character who saves the day when everyone else is taken out by some threat the weird character isn't affected by.
>>214085315>Tilly I thought she filled the whale archetype from Star Trek IV
>>214084632Is he asserting ownership of Keiko or is he scoping out a future fling.
>>214085328>LaterThat's like 6/7th of the show. So you just don't like him in season 7?
They could release a two hour compilation of puckered assholes having frenzied convulsions, but each one colored differently and some with ridges, some without, entitled "Assgasms of the Federation" and w-you guys would watch it gleefully.
>>214085418You're right, I would.
I am currently watching "Star Trek: First Contact"
>>214085379yeah pretty much.
>>214085328I love the scene where odo and sisko hum along to gershwin
>>214085461What don't you like about it
>>214085498because he went from being a really strong character and one of my favorites to a kind of weak pussy who treats Kira like garbage after he spent a whole show pining after her. and I love Kira so I took that personally or something I guess
>>214085541Doesn't Chimera prove the exact opposite, she is literally the only solid he cares about
>>214085582i'm not gonna argue about this again
>>214085541>would rather just fucking rot away in a corner and jeopardize their mission than tell kira he's sickMen, amirite???
>>214085631>i'm going to do something incredibly selfish while telling myself and everyone else it's actually for someone else's benefitsee...Odo should have been better than that. i lost so much respect for him in the end of the show
>>214085610Oh ho ho, oh yes you are, OH YES YOU ARE
Can I get an update on the current state of /trek/? I don't want to get too meta but I remember this general being rich with lore.
>>214085610Personally I think Odo should have left with Laas to travel the galaxy as homosexual space jellyfish, looking for the other 100 babies and eventually forming a new link.
>>214085692Fuck off vee
>>214085675Isn't it odd how civilians in star trek basically have no fashion? Like everyone wears the same drab garb.
>>214085726They didn't want to date the shows too hard by predicting fashion from 400 years in the future
>>214085696If he had done that they both would've died of the section 31 disease. That would mean that the founders would also all die since Bashir would never find out that Odo was the carrier in the first place, meaning the Founders would probably genocide Cardassia before they all died. In conclusion, you're right, Odo should have done that.
>>214085726Quark and Weyoun have fruity little outfits
>>214085726
>>214085762>WeyounWar criminal, not civilian
>>214085770Sir, you're not wearing earth tones.
>>214085692Aside from a tranny demanding attention its pretty good
colonist starter pack
>>214085819Another accidentally redpilled episode CringekinoKinoKinoSex
>>214085838Ain't no one winning an Oscar for the JC Penny fall catalogue
>>214085872Your take was carefully considered.
>>214085819>AKSHUALLY the MALES are the ones who are the slaves. We are called SLAVE GIRLS because um...it's uh...ALL PART OF THE RUSE!Enterprise is so retarded
>>214085819Battlefield is actually incredibly dull outside of the self destruct scene.
>>214085951Yeah that's S3 for youStill I found it interesting how the evil racist cop had some fair points and the good boy dindu nuffin tries to manipulate others for sympathy
>>214085872
>>214085795he was a great man and true patriot and snappy dresser
>>214086095He ordered the death of billions of Innocent Cardassians!
Does vf still post? Haven't seen her in ages.
>innocent>Cardassians
>>214086227>innocent >Cardassians
>>214086227yeah but that was cuz the Female Changeling ordered him to order it
>>214086294>>214086292
>>214086292>>214086294holy fucking kekpraise the founders
>Kira rants about the occupation
Currently watching 70s episodes of the Price is Right. The prices are bananas. That's besides the point. The point is I want to imagine that this numbers-heavy ,personal profit based game show is the favorite of good Ferengis everywhere. Although they might be offended by the idea of giving away goods for free I suppose. What's really fun are the odd little gadgets and kitchen items that don't even exist anymore. For example they had some kind of Sunbeam Hot Drink Maker. I have no idea what it was or how it worked. Update: nevermind I just found a useful web page describing the gadget. Gonna read it now. Seems like some kind of a proto-Keurig. Update update: Apparently it's just a water-boiling machine. Even so, you gotta love it. Classic era of consumerism. I'm a fan of consumerism like a good Ferengi. I hope Rom gets assassinated. https://clickamericana.com/topics/food-drink/sunbeam-hot-shot-hot-beverage-maker-1974
>>214086846You're relieved.
>>214086846>water-boiling machine.
>>214086846Update update update: Holy shit Sunbeam still makes a product called the Hot Shot that still does basically the same thing. Found some on eBay. 50 fucking years later. Amazing. For example on prices: they're selling a brand new car in 1975 for about $4400.
>>214086846Why did 70s appliances look so dirty even when they were brand new?
>>214086971Thanks, Lieutenant. It's been a long shift.
>>214087019They were designed to integrate seamlessly with your cigarette-smoke stained interior
>>214087019All I know is Bob Barker is on my Ferenginar Mt. Rushmore. >>214087019I like the wood paneling on it kek. Last update: the fun of these old episodes is the casual sexism that no one minded. Of course a housewife needs a sewing machine. Why wouldn't she?
>>214082188> find it fascinating that they've restained themselves from making a slew of overt "Spock clone" characters in all of the future series, since he's such a popular characterBrent Spiner made sure not to play Data as metal Spock so he would have a totally different dynamic with his crew mates. You can tell right away how he reacts to being intoxicated.
It's like watching a game of Tongo. Anyway, Lieutenant on duty, see you all in the next thread.
>you have to resite a nine page poem by heart before we even talk to you.
>>214084942that would turn it from the only good tng film into a mediocre one like insurrection
>>214083399Should change Tom Riker for the Doctor
>>214087260It's just a fun goofy list, anon. Holy shit.
Calm down.
>>214087019So getting them actually dirty didn't affect the aesthetic.
I just finished watching "Star Trek: First Contact"It was good
>>214087137>>214087485The 70s were such a disgusting decade, appearance wiseEverything was brown or that godawful goldSmoking was RAMPANT Fashion was terrible
>>214087591Give a detailed take.
>>214085749>They didn't want to date the shows too hard by predicting fashion from 400 years in the futureTOS and early TNG are dated as fuck from a fashion standpoint. But fashion is cyclical. So who's to say big poofy hair and shoulder pads won't be in by the time TNG's Stardate rolls around?Futurama, now THAT'S a show that gave up when it comes to future fashion. Everyone has a boring wardrobe.
>>214087606Everyone got laid, though.
>>214085749Civilian clothes in TNG are the most early 90s shit ever
>>214087773Post the DS9 bus seat.
>>214087019They were trying to appear homely and sovlful instead of sterile and monochrome
>>214087606>Smoking was RAMPANTEven smoking has become enshitified with everyone vaping heavy metal infested clouds everywhere. I love watching 20th century movies where a scene takes place in a diner or airport and everyone is fucking smoking. So kino. So aesthetic.
>>214087645Overall, I think it's a decent movie. It looks way more cinematic than Generations, there's no fancy filmmaking by Jonathan Frakes, but his lighting and camerawork are much better than the no name who did Generations. Impressive job for a rookie director. The effects are incredible, this is the best Star Trek has looked on the big screen. As for the story, I am willing to accept Picard has an open score with the Borg, but his complete lack of worry towards his crew(besides Data) is unbecoming of him. The Borg Queen is completely boring anc useless, she doesn't add much to the film, and she does more damage to the lore of the Borg than good. Also I would have liked to see more of 2063 Earth besides Zephram Cochrane. What kinds of challenges were they facing? They are living in shacks and ruins of a missile silo site, but he hopes to sell technology to someone? I was confused as to the state of earth.The final scene of first contact is worth the title, it's fantastic and inspiring. They did well to send the audience home feeling optimistic.
>>214087839Another thing I forgot, obviously the plot is incredibly Data/Picard heavy. But I like that every crew member got a little sceneTroi drinking, Beverly and the EMH, Geordie talking to Cochrane(also has cool shades), Worf on the Defiant. The TNG films didn't know how to utilize the entire crew, and this is not a complete picture of them. But they did a solid job
>>214087839Generations is cinematic as hell though and people have always praised the DoP, John A. Alonzo
>>214088562nta but Generations has always been a guilty pleasure
>>214088562Every scene on the Enterprise looks awful in this movie
>>2140886738 cakes frakes
>>214088673The remastered blu-ray returns the original theatrical color grading, ditching the stupid green filter they put over it in 2009
>>214088841The green filter is not the problem here,It's the light they're blasting on the lead actor, making him look like a gorrila
Sarek is a coomer
>good characters>good actors>boring, lazy writingwhy is nutrek unable to do anything right?
>>214087804Gotchu senpai
>>214082524>aliens trapped in a quantum immortality prisonit is the best episode of the season but that's because the season has sucked so far
>>214082420>>214082617>>214082706I liked how they were vulcans for 10 seconds and the moment they got up they started treating Spock like half nigger. Somehow the actual nigger in the room offend them less because he is nigger and can't help it but Spock was like the meme picture of a blonde man looking at a mixed baby in a stroller.
>>214088899well that's fair I just wanted to point out how absolutely disgusting and atrocious the 2009 remasters werelots of bad filters and they scrubbed all the film grain away
>>214089948Why are so many studios and directors against film grain? The grainy picture helps make classic Trek feel like a home away from home. I only got into TNG a few years ago. And even though I was puzzled by the writing choices, the 35 mm look of the series was so charming.
>>214090188Well back when bluray was a new format is when Hollywood movies and TV shows started going 100% digital, so they thought audiences saw film grain as being "dirty" which is why they would digitally scrub it from old movies
>>214088562Malcolm McDowell is the best part of that movie. I love his insane rants about time
>>214089868I liked the doomsday machine one betteralien space prison was event horizon but lamer
claim your male trek waifu right now
>>214091511triphe's retarded i just love him
>>214091511Bashir the twink
>>214091580good pick
>>214082420It's like every time I domt think they can get any lower they pull out another shovel and dig a few more feet.
>>214091511would've gone with trip too. second would be jadzia but with a gigantic penis
>Bashir walks into the room>everyone bullies himgood
>>214082619>For me it's Janeway finding out Mark already moved on with another chick a few months after she went missingI don't remember this. Was it in the last episode or an alternate reality/timeline episode where they get home early?
I HATE THE TNG FILMS ALL OF THEM NO EXCEPTIONS
>>214093344Way earlier. IIRC it's the episode that introduces the Hirogen when they use one of their communications relays to get some messages from the Alpha Quadrant.
>>214082784What evidence is there that he murdered his wife? It seems to have been a drug overdose.
>>214093591The guy who returns to the past and after he leaves, Chakotay tells everyone he died?Or one of those midseries episodes, when we see occasional references to DS9 and their purple uniforms?
>>214085350that's an insult to whales
>>214093551Tell us why, my child.
>>214086846You're too young to remember the Ronco Automatic Ice Changer. In just minutes, it'll turn a bunch of ice into a bowl of cool water. It's AMAZING!!!1!
>>214093689After you tell me why you don't like the taste of feces.
>>214093752>After you tell me why you don't like the taste of feces.I never said I didn't.
>>214087019The '70s were all about fake wood paneling, harvest gold, and avocado green.
>>214093950What do you think ancient Vulcan race relations were like, like with different races of Vulcan
What is Dukat's first name? Please tell me it's something like Sheev
>>214094431Skrain
>>214077972Is there any description of "Roddenberry's Box" except for Michael Piller's "Fade In" book? Or any big list of the rules that Trek writers had to follow?
There is Star Trek 4 slander in the 'log and it triggered me
>>214093742I CAN'T HEAR A THING!IT'S WHISPER QUIET!
>>214094568kino
>>214094780I think someone sufficiently clever editor could do a story revolving around the Federation's attempt to "evolve past" grief only for the child character to run into repeated roadblocks from the lack of a paternal figure that eventually manifests into something resembling grief anyway, giving a "logical" basis for someone to feel bad that their routine and ability to interface with the world has been hampered in a way comparable to losing a sense or a limb.I mean, a reoccuring them of TNG was Picard acting like his generation and beyond were somehow more evolved than the people before them only to come up wanting when the chips are down and learning to be more humble about it.
Spock=basedData=basedOdo=cringeThe Doctor/Seven=based
chakotay should've had an eyepatch
I feel bad for niggas who gave up on SNW, this shit is so good
>>214095156That specific story was the STTNG episode "The Bonding".
I feel bad for niggas who watch SNW, this shit is so ass
I really like the opener for this episode>glance up and see random Borg cube mid-Poker game>?!!! Battle stations!>stumble over chair in panic>...and I had a full house, too
>>214095172Odo only became cringe when they tried to push the Kira romance
>>214095571Even my mom, ever the trek optimist, has given up on nutrek. She used to balk whenever I criticized these shows but she had to learn the hard way after years of STD and now SNW that this stuff is just retarded slop.
>>214096344We already deboonked this earlier
>>214093591It's that one; "Hunters", H&I just showed itThey start sending and receiving letters from Earth and Janeway gets hers and finds out her fiancé wrote her off as dead right away and remarried
>>214093551based
>>214093591The Hirogen are prolly my fav VOY villain. From the the one where they're first introduced. Teased. Because Voyager is tapping into their relay network. Then, the one when they hunt our VOY friends. And then the one where they team up with our VOY friends. And the hologram Nazi two-parter. And then a season or two later. The hologram rebellion two-parter. All great 'sodes.
>>214093551Truth
>>214100320>the hologram Nazi two-parter>Klingons charge the Nazi's>Everything starts explodingDid the Klingons have explosive tipped bat'leths?
wHAT'S YOUR GO-TO TREK WHEN YOU JUST WANNA SNUGGLE UP AND GET CUDDLE-COmF?
>>214102012Voyager or pre-season 4 DS9
>>214102012TNG's The Royale. DS9's Little Green Men. VOY's Twisted.
>>214084441>tfw no cavegirl Jia Lissa gf
Favorite kit bash model?I like this, just wish they hadn't added the marker pens.
>>214102213What are those, canonically?
>>214102320They haven't been given any official function canonically, however considering that the ship guide cites it has three torpedo launchers there's a lot of headcanon out there those are in fact torpedo launchers.
Should add the RPG states they are torpedo launchers but that is not canon.
>>214102526So there are three launchers?
>>214102547Three marker pens yes
>>214094780The writer's/director's guides are available online:https://www.bu.edu/clarion/guides/Star_Trek_Writers_Guide.pdfhttps://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation_Writers%27/Directors%27_Guide#External_links
Are we to believe that this serum transformed their anatomy, complete with turning their blood green in less than a minute?
>>214103020They were injected with concentrated racism, that's what Hollywood thinks it does :^)
>>214082524it's called "being filtered"
good morning I love Weyoun
Good morning, nutrek is faggot shit.>>214103988based dubsminion
>>214103988FOUNDERS BE PRAISED
>>214103988Is Burger King the fast food choice of the Founders?
>>214103020A Q did it
>>214104514Yes. There are no McDonalds in the Gamma quadrant
>>214104560Truly all the great powers need to be represented by fast food outlets!
>>214104387nuTrek is just a different type of space Marxism. Why quibble over the details?
>>214104387good morning nutrek isn't star trek
>>214082524>. I enjoyed this silly Vulcan episode and now people are calling it one of the worst of all time. I guess....I'll just never have popular opinions.I'm there with you. It was a ridiculous premise and the dialogue was truly terribly written, but everyone was having so much fun with it that it was fun to watch, like a goofy episode of Stargate or a normal episode of Farscape. Something can be badly executed but enjoyable at the same time. This episode was a guilty pleasure down to the IASIP prison ballet ending. Also Patton Oswalt murdered his wife.
I would watch Gundam SEED before I watch Strange New Worlds. That is how wary I am of ν-Trek. Thats what us Gundam fans call NuTrek btw.
>>214104794Of course it is. Star Trek was space Marxism. "Woke" is cultural Marxism where identity has replaced class as the source of the "struggle". So nuTrek is just as Marxist as oldtrek. Literally no one ITT has been able to refute this.
>>214104866Agent Bashirfaggot. This is Shadow President and Grand Necromancer Imam Vic Mignogna. You are hereby ordered to surveil "Strange New Worlds" (codename: THEATREKIDSGONEWILD to gather operational C5ISRT+LGBTWIA++ intelligence for our ongoing influence operation. Beware the infiltrator, he has avoided our wetwork agents. Pay special notes to Vulcan Hijinks episodes: these contain the coded messages for The Plan. Trust in The Plan. Full debrief after the DS9 watch along at 2200EDT. Shadow President and Grand Rabbi of the Debutante Cotillion Society Vic Mignogna out.
>>214104940So what is the equivalent of labor in terms of woke and who are the bourgeoisie here? If it is Marx then like wouldn't Hegel also be involved? What is Dialectical Wokeism? I am being serious this shit never made sense to me.
>>214104964Computer, run program Tekkoshocon 2009 at the Monroeville Double Tree Hotel. Make sure the FMA cosplayers are of age. Keep all safety protocols engaged.
>>214104994>46 KB JPG>>>214104940 #>So what is the equivalent of labor in terms of woke and who are the bourgeoisie here?People of color are the equivalent of labor because they were actual chattel slaves at one point, so the generational wealth of the whites was built from their work. So they say.
>>214104994Marxists never want to work. Apparently they're all needs and no abilities. That's one of the big reasons it keeps failing. And Star Trek has never explained why people would want to join Starfleet and risk their lives daily if they're not even getting paid, unless existential angst in the future is really that smothering. And maybe it is. One of the Lower Decks characters mentioned her motivation to join Starfleet was to get away from Earth, "where there's nothing to do except drink wine and hang out at vineyards and soul food restaurants!"
>>214104836every ep cant be the goofy ep. goofy eps are earned.
>>214105112>where there's nothing to do except drink wine and hang out at vineyards and soul food restaurants!Affluenza is a real thing especially when the entire culture suddenly becomes the 1%. I call it the super-yacht problem. If everyone has a super yacht, how are you gonna find anyone who wants to fix your super yacht? Why would he lower himself like that? But I guess Trek solved it with replicators. Your super yacht broke? Just dematerialize it and replicate a new one. Or I guess you could get a slave race of exocomps or holographic Robert Picardos to work on it for you. They have an answer for everything. In some ways I think I'd rather be a Borg>Never lonely>Always have something to do>Designated quarters and sleep times>No stupid wineries or soul food restaurants And other advantages I'm sure. It's like Animal Farm. Never read it but did see the cartoon. They work the horse to death because he's actually taking pride in working to care for his friends while the evil pigs just oppress everyone else. But like everyone says, "No real Marxism has never been tried!" "No real capitalism has ever been tried!"Is it the best of all possible worlds or the worst of all possible worlds? I think we can all agree that Star Trek Picard was an absolute horror show, at least.
>>214105655It definitely feels like a major course correction after no one liked how edgy STD or SPIC were, but it's gone too far
>>214105763That brings up a huge whole in Star Trek; it's essentially Roddenberry's idea of a utopia, with all the inconvenient parts handwaved away. (And I mean that literally. Do a search for "Roddenberry's Box".) But where does the energy come from? Antimatter doesn't exist in our universe, though they somehow manage to create it and contain it so that it can be used to power warp drives and whatnot. So the underlying basis has to be something like fusion, but that still requires sentient-being labor to produce. The best case scenario, once you put aside the handwaving, is that the Federation is a social-credit system where the "money" is the energy it takes to run these high-tech appliances. And if you don't do what makes the Powers That Be happy, you get no more than "universal basic income", enough to keep you fed, clothed, and healthy, but not much else. It's a utopian show, but you can't look at the utopia very closely, because it's then revealed to be absurd.>I'd rather be a BorgYou can join a religious cult any time you want. It's almost the same thing.
>>214105967dilithium mins have broken your brain you are a fucking idiot how many years will you keep going with this retarded argument? no don't bother answering we all know the answer, you spastic
>>214105967nah at that scale energy is completely free even without new technology. if you have 10000 planets per human then geothermal alone is complete overkill. 100 suns per human so solar is approximately infinite. they bussard-collect space dust and shit so they've probably got solid/gas fuels on top of all that.
>>214106015So you still have no explanation. I accept your concession. And keep in mind, the official explanation is that Roddenberry said so, and he handwaves away all the difficult parts.
>live action TNG era continuation is just edgy nihilistic slop>animated TNG era continuation only pokes fun at how dumb the writers think it is>TOS prequel is trying out every sitcom trope from 20 years ago
>>214106161I do a very very simple one they sek to better themselves and the rest of humaity, see how eay that is? you do this over and over and over ad nauseam but refuse to accept that you are making shit up because everything about the show refutes what you make up, its post scarity people are enlightened they do things because they want to improve themselves and everyone around them, their is no "basic" necessities only crap its all free, all of it, people do things because they weait for it...seek to better themselves and everyone around them. But it really doesn't matter how many times you are proven wrong, you'llbe back tomorrow banging he same worn out drum with the same tired arguments that have been blown the fuck out a hundred times before. Go make another transports kill people thread and fuck off, you retard.
>>214106232So you uncritically accept the Roddenberry handwave, then.
>>214106767I accept the show as presented and confirmed over and over again throughout the 5 iterations of the show, same way I accept that transporters don't kill people.
>>214106767nta but the handwavey parts are humanity surviving long enough to reach post-scarcity, the rest is nothing new.
there is money all throughout star trek.theres only a couple of statements to the contrary and they are easily explained as semantic. the federation invested a great deal of money in training the TOS crewharry mudd was convicted of conterfiting currencyDesalle bet credits to navy beansmccoy had money to hire a ship in search for spock scotty bought a boatmccoy would pay real money for chang to shut upriker used money on DS9 with quarkpicard had money to pay for prostitute RoKim had money to buy gems from quarkvoyage home they comment on still using money. this is easily explained away as physical currency. TNG picard tells offenhouse that material wealth is no longer the driving cause but he doesnt say they dont have moneyjake and nog talk about feds not using money but ds9 aslo references transporter credits which is the same as money. there is money in start trek. genes rule was that money was not a motivating factor for star fleet crew because get rich scheme storys suck
>>214106969>too much of a coward to even reply>starts banging on about currencylmao you are pathetic.
>>214106799Even though it's built on a foundation of sand? At best, Star Trek is a kids' show in the fantasy genre.>>214106810You really need to read about "Roddenberry's Box" and learn that the handwaving was way more than that.
>>214107009nta just wanted to settle the debate since there is really no debate
>>214107051>>214107051you learnt about the roddenberry box last thread you massive douche, who do you think you'll fooling here? yes there is nothing to settle because you are wrong and you make shit up i.e headcanon to justify your retarded stance and you've been doing it for years, so stop pretending and move the fuck along
>>214107051the pillar shit was posted last? thread and everyone knows it already, new friend. all of that is literally pre-0 ANCIENT human ideas but rationality-first because they can.
I watch silly ass giant robot cartoons and I get suspension of disbelief and people wanting tech manuals, but isn't TOO much technobabble considered bad writing? Where is the line between bad science and good science FICTION?
>>214107153>isn't TOO much technobabble considered bad writing?yes. i literally just finished reading the TOS bible someone linked further up and it says not to do that shit.
Gene stipulated that there was to be no money in the Federation. He believed that by the 23rd century, mankind would have evolved past the need for money. Roddenberry simply thought that humanism would strip mankind of the acquisitive tendencies it had shown throughout history, and that the use of money was a vice his utopian “Federation” would eliminate.https://fee.org/articles/the-economic-fantasy-of-star-trek/
>>214107142don't bother he'll just keep going around in circles, he doesn't really know anything about star trek, he just got this weird idea in his head one day and keeps going on about it no matter how much evidence is presented, heres another one in voy they talk about fort knox, paris says it was the worlds largest depository of gold before currency was phased out, now watch while he ignores this and keeps talking stupid shit
>>214107132I was familiar with the concept (it's impossible to watch Star Trek and not be) but didn't know what it was called until last thread. Since then, I've been doing some reading, and essentially, it's revealed that Star Trek isn't sci-fi, it's fantasy in a sci-fi setting. I like parts of Star Trek, but as a whole, it's always felt offputting to me. I finally have an explanation for that, since I've never been much of a fan of fantasy.
>>214107244scifi is inherently fantasy or itd just be science
>>214083122wholesome. chungus, even
>>214107244but you don't watch star trek, you idiot, you've had every one of these attempts refuted over and over and yet you always come back posting the same stupid shit like we don't remember the last time you got btfo. You are tiresome.
>>214083122I just watched Gravity, peak Tuvok, just strange how they can have total nonsense like The Fight and then pure kino like Gravity, how do you write a story about a vulcan falling in love without compromising the character, its a master class, nutrek could learn a lot from his performance
>>214107228yes, physical currency was phased out. thats what theyre talking about in voyage home. just like its being phased out in current day. many people never touch currency but everyone uses money.
>>214107363and we are right back to the headcanon, as I said tiresome, last (you) dipshit
>money i got
>>214087606I dig it. I think its groovy.
>>214107389see>>214107416and then shut the fuck up. you lost
From what I understand like you get holodeck credits but they don't cost anything. You don't need to pay people to do shit because most labor has been phased out. Like what do you need money for in the Star Trek future? A house? A car? Food? All that seems to be taken care of on Earth.
>>214107269Sci-fi has some basis in reality, even if speculative. Otherwise, sci-fi is just space opera.>>214107280I do watch Star Trek, and "rant rave seethe REEEEE" isn't a refutation.
and yet again for the hundredth time 23rd century is not the 24 century, it was only with the invention of replicators it became truly post scarcity, also movies don't count, the movies are stupid. As I said the same tired arguments that have been refuted over and over and yet you still do this. Extremely tiresome
>>214107457there are hundreds of thousands of laborers in starfleet alone. nobody is signing up to scrub conduits on a miranda assigned to protect frieght routes unless they are being compensated or coerced. the only times we see coercion are with people who initially signed up voluntarilymccoy forced back into service for TMPRo forced into service to get out of prisonParis forced into service to get out of prison.
>>214107513Apparently you are having reading-comprehension issues. Roddenberry believed that by the ***23rd*** century, mankind would have evolved past the need for money. He also said that only what showed up on screen counted as canon, which would necessarily include the movies. So your assertion that "movies don't count" is just headcanon.
>>214107513sisko had transporter credits in the academy. credits=moneyyou lose again. I am embarrassed for you
your lack of reading comprehension shows with each and every post, you don't know what you are talking about, Gene had nothing to do with the movies post TMP, you of course wouldn't know that, now its time to stop posting
>>214107617no they don't you are thinking of star wars
>>214107153>Where is the line between bad science and good science FICTION?I can believe we can one day travel faster than lightI will never believe we can teleport anywhere in the universe along the atomized roots of space mushrooms
>>214107586they dont have to work, they went through years of school to have the chance to scrub those conduits. those are good conduits to get to scrub.
>>214107638credits are a form of money. youre getting silly now. desalle had credits to wagerriker had credits to give back to quarksisko had credits to waste going home for dinnervoyager had credits for replicatorsthere is every reason to believe thesw credits could be traded. that makes them money. we're getting close to posting dictionary definitions so youre going to need to slow down and think before posting if you want to keep trying
>>214107720lots of these are non-federation currencies, some stuff like transporter credits for students is not like a currency at all it is a hard limitation so students dont fuck off. voyager had credits because they weren't in the federation anymore.
an assigned amount to limit high energy consumption, a cadet gets x amount of transporter credits per month to use how they'd like their is no way to get more or less its a set amount, Your Voy example is of course disingenuous as is your Riker one.
I just filter the word marxism, because every time someone says that nutrek is garbage, the cartoon spammer starts regurgitating the same NPC dialogue tree that star trek has always been marxist in order to try and bait for (You)s and waste valuable thread space, because he started getting banned for spamming all his other bait.
>>214107783good system I think I'll do that next time
>>214107680non comms dont go to school (tng drumhead).its one thing to sign up to do weapons or medical stuff or even some science grunt work but its a whole other ball of wax being assigned to engineering or ops. nobody would do that unless they are being paid or coerced. if theres no scacity and everything is free they would just do the fun shit and none of the work.
>>214107823NCOs DO absolutely 100% go to school just not the same academy.
I just like the fact that we are having a cool discussion without schziobabble about all of us being pedophiles and the day of reckoning.
>>214107856I was honestly surprised the edit took that long?
>>214107775why would cadets fuck off? that makes no sense. they all want to be there and theyre allowed to drop out anyway. if transporter costs nothing to operate there is no reason to restrict its use for cadets. and what about everyone else? do they have unlimited transporter and replicator use? how do they get people to sign up for bad jobs if theyre allowed to transport to bali and party anytime they want?
>>214107923because they are students and students do dumb shit
>>214107923People are rational and enlighted. They would realize that you shouldn't goof off all the time and do something productive.
>>214107862theres a training program. they dont go through years of school. and they certainly dont choose to work a shit job in starfleet if they get all transporter replicator holodeck and trips to risa for free.
>>214108005they absolutely do but it's never been clear in canon which ranks are officers or not or what routes you have to take to get there outside of starfleet. starfleet is a very cool and cushy place to be and no jobs are particularly shitty.
>>214107988and why would they choose a shit job working under a chain of tryhard losers if they can have their own ship and do whatever they want? perhaps because scarcity remains? and whenever scacity exists there is economy. and the most effecient means to navigate economy is money.
I would clean alien toilets if I could fuck Tony Soprano on the holodeck real talk.
>>214108074starfleet is a very cool and cushy place to be and no jobs are particularly shitty.
>>214108050>no jobs are particularly shittythen why did maddox want to make thousands of datas?why did the emh M1 get assigned to scrub coduits on waste barges?>star trek is post scarcity utopianot even close
>>214108081the question is if you would clean the toilets if you could fuck tony without cleaning the toilets?
>>214108081Hi Bash. I eat a similar amount of calories as Gandolfini did. Wanna cyber?
>>214108140automation is automation, unrelated to shittiness of job.
>>214108184a/s/l?
>>214108186so eventually everyone is the federation is replaced by robots?grim
>>214108212no, someone will have to order the robots to clean the toilets.
>>214108170If I dont clean the toilets they only give me the access code to the Richie Aprile holoprogram.
>>214108249i really dislike this image because E should definitely be "Eat something"
>>214107628That's because he got fired from the movies. Paramount tapped him to create The Next Generation only after Harve Bennett and Leonard Nimoy turned them down.
>>214108346yes he was also going insane from a serious illness your point?
>>214108263RationsIngestKitchenEatsnaRf
>>214107783Even Majel Barrett reported that Gene was a Communist. https://rhetorikos.blog.fordham.edu/?p=1881#:~:text=The%20irony%20is%20that%20Roddenberry
>>214108397ok
>>214108380He got fired from the movies because literally everyone hated TMP. And does that mean you admit the Marxist show you fangirl over was the product of an insane, seriously ill mind?
>>214108413lol its so easy to get you to break. Congrats you were mildly entertaining this evening
>>214108413TMP was a commercial success. he was removed becauase the jews wanted to make cheap slop like voyage home. then they let him set up TNG and did it again. gene was right about them
>>214108453>no counterargument at allI accept your concession.>>214108499TMP was a talky and ponderous bore. It made its money back, but nearly killed the franchise. Not my idea of "success".
>>214108563lol yes we get it you hate star trek
Well, I decided to take a three day vacation totally of my own volition and I just came back to say that indeed, Nu Trek is fucking gay, and that I have silently participated in the GREAT /trek/ DS9 Watchalong without interruption.
>>214108588the Dubsminion welcomes you back. i missed you
>>214108563the franchise was larger and more successful than ever due to TMP. it could be considered the most influential piece of star trek media ever created.
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>>214108607Based Dubsminion posterThe Dubsminion shall reign for a thousand years!
>>214108588Nah. The most recent episode of strange New worlds was "inner light" level good. It made me tear up. I don't give a fuck your opinion if you have an ash tray of a soul and didn't like it. The fight/dance has been built up for years and was beautiful.
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>>214108690kek even the redditors are shitting on it which means you are a particular brand of "just turn your brain off bro" insane
>>214108699I don't know what that means>>214108735Motherfucker. You are a retarded faggot. I literally said I don't have a fuck about your tranny ass faggot opinion. You stupid fucking shit lol
>>214107856why is the L grey
>>214108770If you didn't care about anyone's opinions, you wouldn't have posted your own here bitch
I literally say I don't want to hear your faggot opinion And the faggots give it anyways lol Can't help faggotry at this level. Anyways amazing episode
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>>214108787Maybe I enjoy shitting on hateful faggots who can't troll right. Like. I'm just insulting them for fun. It's not complex Check mate
Meh. Boring thread. I'm out. See you faggots,later
>>214108787>>214108802lmao at this point I'm almost feeling bad for him, almost
Little guy's all tuckered out. Aww.New>>214108871>>214108871>>214108871
>I don't give a fuck your opinion>I don't have a fuck about your tranny ass faggot opinionangry ESL is angry
I-I'm just h-having fun ok...s-stop making fun of me
>>214108573The funny thing is, before I joined this thread, I thought I was a Star Trek fan. Then I encountered a bunch of toxic numbskull "fans" that reminded me of Trek's reputation in the real world, and while I tussled with you cretins, I slowly realized that I only like a little bit of Trek, and that most of it is cringe, and finally identified why—because it's fantasy space Marxism, and Gene deliberately made it so. I've also realized that most of you would rather stay deluded instead of accepting the sadcringe.
>>214106969I like how bio-memetic gel was the cocaine of Star Trek
>>214108976I'm glad you finally realized you're not a Star Trek fan and are just a retard who jerks off to cartoons insteadMaking progress, anon!
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>>214109023Who said anything about jerking off? That's some world-class projection there. If only I saw some progress in you admitting Star Trek isn't sci-fi, but fantasy, and portrays a Communist "utopia" powered by magic fantasy machines.
>>214107888Shadow President Mignogna's Jesuit stormtroopers have taken care of the threat. With respect to the proper amount of technobabble, Pareto rule applies. No more than 20% of dialogue.
I'm very thankful Gene Roddenberry was a sexist bastard and approved of hot green women.
