>>214112019
This is not an adaptation of Tolkien’s work. Amazon only had access to the appendices, so what they produced is basically fanfiction stitched together from fragments rather than Tolkien’s actual stories.

>>214112019
Subversive warfare, cultural vandalism

>>214112108
lmao here come the schizos

>>214112019
O LAWD

>>214112019
They are intentionally, systematically ruining every franchise that white males love in order to antagonize and demoralize them.

>>214112227
Meds.

It joins The Walking Dead and Halo as one of the few shows where I had to turn it off mid season because I simply could not do it anymore. I'll tolerate trash but I actually couldn't do it in these cases.

Does anyone even watch this? I don't think I've met a single person who has. Or at least no one ever talks about it.

>>214112019
In order to demoralize a people you must take away everything that they hold dear. Take away everything that inspires them

>>214112404
>I don't think I've met a single person
ftfy

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>>214112431
Sorry, chud, Tolkien isn't one of your "people"

>>214112019
Why are they the same height?

>>214112404
my uncle and boomer father and it's baffling because in most circumstances they whine about "The Libs" more than I ever would, but then they consume the worst of their DEI slop. Very weird and I don't get it.

>>214112490
Probably because there isn't actually anything political in the show

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>>214112514
Am I supposed to pretend this is subtle and beyond me?

>>214112560
Did that make you feel white genocided?

>>214112577
no I mostly just rolled my eyes at how tired and lazy it is. Some left wing artists are genuinely talented and I'd rather they be put in charge. This is just sad

>>214112019
It's a comfort knowing that the good professor isn't around to see them violate his beautiful work like this.

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I hope Sauron will finally fuck Galadriel this season

>>214112244
Nose.

>>214112743
Wrists.

>>214112658
>Sweatypepe.png

>>214112658
MOMMY

>>214112560
>Elves
>Working

Those lazy bastards just want to drink and make merry.

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>>214112466

>>214112955
If you can't even read those few words by Tolkien then I highly doubt that you read any of his books, chuddie.

>>214112577
everyone around the world but jews admits whites are being replaced so way to out yourself

>>214112404
Reactors and critics.

>>214112019
i don't really care about the cynical "have le epic black woman" shit, but why do they always cast a fat ugly bitch. there's so many hot black chicks around just drag one into your show/movie

>>214112019
Subverting culture and entertainment is part of their agenda to bring down western society.

>>214112998
you already posted that schizo stuff three times in this thread, incel

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>>214112466
>making up an argument in your head to totally pwn the chuds
Literally nobody said Tolkien was a nazi.
Well, besides you troons when you learn that he was a Catholic and straight up said LotR was a Catholic story.
Maybe you can shoot up another one of his schools to show how he would've totally sided with you instead of the people who don't like watching his works get butchered.

>>214112995
>cynical
It's called pattern-recognition mr niggercattle

Never watched a single episode and never will. Simple as.

>>214113017
You genuinely are shilling this garbage huh

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>>214113041
>LotR was a Catholic story.

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>>214113084
Am I making you upset, Catholic school shooter?

>>214113084
Tolkein indeed was a Papist and trying ro reason your way out of things he directly said is a joke
t. Eastern Orthodox

>>214112019
>all same height
>now begin!
>left has visible piss streaming down leg
>middle is clearly a man
>right is child of bird lady from home alone 2

i just

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>>214112995
Its not even a coincidence either. Seriously, its every single game or people of entertainment. The black woman will not be feminine. She will be masculine, unattractive, aggressive, most likely overweight and high chance she has short hair. This is a conscious decision to do this but i dont know why

>>214112019
The Rings of Power is one of the biggest flops of all time. Just like The War of the Rohirrim

>>214113127
>Tolkein
lmao

>>214113160
>The Rings of Power is one of the biggest flops of all time
keep coping

>>214113163
Great rebuttal, I like forward to seeing you in your next repeat thread you monitor daily

>>214113160
virgin manlets like this loser >>214113186 are going to keep coming after you now

>>214112404
I hatewatch it to know what Critical Drinker is talking about

>>214112019
Rings of Power lost hundreds of millions of dollars. And they clearly want to lose hundreds of millions more.

>>214113186
I cannot imagine that even one person signed up for Amazon Prime because of ROPe

>>214112019
>Tolkienchads keep winning.
Is it even considered Tolkien anymore?

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>>214112108
>cultural vandalism
(((Hollywood))) should be carpet bombed into rubble.

>>214112019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJOIPiEkcx4
Lawd Dem Rangs

>>214113476
It never was. Amazon paid the Tolkien estate a billion dollars for the rights to everything except what was already written. You can’t even call it fanfiction.

>>214112522
is that a kid with down syndrome?

>>214112019
You have to be really cruel to ruin a man's lifework like this. Something that millions of people hold so dear. Utterly malevolent and depraved

haters samefagging like crazy itt

>>214112019
did someone get ahold of those rangz yet?

>>214112019
God just cast a heckin based latina already so catholic retards stop bitching about this show

nobody watching your astroturfed multibillion dollar franchise rape lmao
you gonna cry some more?

>>214112019
The controlled demolition of Western culture and society

>>214116562
You already made that post five times, schizo

>>214112019
Degenerate shit. Stole from and supressed, perverted, better material. Degenerate writer who doesn't deserve to be mentioned or remembered.

It needs more Markella Kavenagh

>>214112134
From your discord?

>>214114598
I cant believe i had to scroll all the way past the deranged troon for this, this should be in the first 5 replies

>>214112019
Wasn't Tolkien like really racist?

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Oh nooooo, they're going to attack me by hemorrhaging billions of good goy points!
They're also going to somehow prevent me from reading the superior source material!

>be tolkien fan
>study Old Norse
>read Old Norse literature (mainly Íslendingasögur) in the original language
>will eventually learn Old English

>>214112019
I doubt Tolkien would have cared that some of the hobbits are Irish.

>>214112108
>>214113548
How is it vandalism? I have copies of the Hobbit and LotR that my mom gave me, and they're the exact same as they were 40 years ago.

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>>214112466
Without a fail.

>>214112019
LAWDY LAWDY DEN RANGS

>>214117640
He is a slave to consooming and hates reading

The guy who defends rop and calls the haters chuds is legitimately one of the best posters on this board.

>>214112466
No one said that Tolkien believed in nordic race theory or nazism. He was a catholic who disliked the modernization of the church, which included post-racial doctrine. The traditional catholic view of race is "separate but equal," which is likely what Tolkien believed.
>>214113084
>Tolkien: I wrote a catholic story
>Chuds (normal people): Tolkien wrote a catholic story, you use long memes to lie
>(You): a long meme where (You) use sophistry to reject the author's own words
self-awareness: 0
also, a story can be catholic in principle and spirit without actually depicting organized religious.

>>214112108
Cultural standards shift with time.
Adapting an older property to current cultural climate isn't necessarily done for malicious reasons.

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>>214112181
DEM RAAAANGS

>>214117763
Name one Catholic thing in the LotR trilogy.

>>214117771
If the current thing is wrong, then updating old things to be like current thing is also wrong. This is true even if there was no "malicious" intentions, only [insert wrong ideology here] intentions.

>>214112019
Tolkien would spit on this

>>214113041
It isn’t a Catholic story or even a Christian story. Rather, it fits much more comfortably in the mold of the old heroic Pagan epics. Though there is a whole mythology, creation story, and a supreme deity in Lord of the Rings religion as such plays no profound part of the story. At most a deistic conception echoes the otherwise practically secular characters. Worship, religious doctrines and revelation are absent and in their place a whole host of semi-divine creatures roam the world and embodies almost exclusively all that is supernatural. More worrisome is the fact that central Christian virtues such as faith, trust in God, conversion, repentance, sin and forgiveness are utterly absent here. In their stead perennial natural virtues such as duty, fearlessness, self-sacrifice, loyalty, wisdom etc., form the major underlying motives and measure points for the main characters, virtues differing in no real manner from the Illiad or the Norse sagas Many more things could be brought up, such as the universe's total lack of a concept of otherworldliness and a longing for personal and cosmic divine redemption, or how all main plots are motivated by purely worldly concerns. Rather it, in my opinion, underscores the nature of Tolkien as the supreme neo-Germanic skald, a most gifted Anglo-Saxon bard able to compose a myth most fitting to the old thought-world and soul of Germanic peoples.

>>214117885
Take a step back and remember that Catholicism to catholics is the universal church, it has the apostolic mandate down from Peter through the popes. It's just christianity, proper. Asking "what is catholic about LOTR" is a bad faith question, since the only things that are expressly catholic and not merely christian are the trinity, transubstantiation of the communion host etc

To Tolkien it was a catholic story because it's a christian story

>>214118085
ok so you can't name a single Catholic thing in the whole trilogy, got it.

>>214112019
I would beat the shit out everyone who watches this, if it was posssible. How fucking low IQ do you have to be to enjoy something like this

>>214118101
based 95 iq esl

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>>214118048
shut up retard, it is filled to the brim with Christian references

>>214118223
go on, name one. just one.

>>214112019
Is celeborn finally cast or Galadriel will remain a whore for sauron?

>>214118265
learn english first ranjeet so you can understand my post

>>214112227
disagree, no white male cares about some tolkien streaming site adaptation

>>214118280
You cannot name ONE catholic thing in this supposedly deeply, fundamentally catholic trilogy? Is it because you don't know anything about LotR, or about Catholicism, or both?

>>214113041
There are brown hobbits and elves in ROP and the Pope publicly washed the feet of brown migrants so ROP sounds pretty Catholic too.

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>>214113137
It’s crazy how common that phenotype is in the trans lesbian community

>doesn't read reply
>haha you didn't even reply
sundeep stop this

>>214118378
The phenotype is Ashkenazi

>>214118048
>>214118242
Christianity, especially Catholicism, absorbed many Pagan influences when it spread to Europe so trying to argue separation between the two in this instance is somewhat redundant since by Tolkien's time the influences had already been thoroughly mixed.

>>214118101
He only has single sentence from a letter of Tolkien to the Jesuit priest Fr. Murray written in 1953 to support that it is Catholic story. Attaching authority to this one sentence is misguided. Primarily because Tolkien’s own emphasis on the Christian nature of LotR is complex, indeed, just read the passage in context,
>The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision. That is why I have not put in, or have cut out, practically all references to anything like 'religion', to cults or practices, in the imaginary world. For the religious element is absorbed into the story and the symbolism. However that is very clumsily put and sounds more self-important than I feel. For as a matter fact I have consciously planned very little.

Also, it seems quite evident that Tolkien himself shifted his view on this in the following years, e.g. Tolkien’s 165th letter from 1955, two years hence, in which he rejects having intended any inner meaning or message in the work which should be seen as an exercise of story-crafting. Or Tolkien’s preface to the second edition of LotR from 1965, wherein Tolkien explicitly denies the work having any allegorical intentions regarding morality or religion stating that its foundation is a love of languages and that linguistic creativity is primary.

>>214118378
A lot of chuds pretend to be trans lesbians in the hope that this will get them laid, like the chud who shot up a church yesterday.

>>214118437
Based, chuds absolutely btfo. It is hilarious that they cannot point to even ONE thing in the books to support their claim that they are deeply catholic lmao.

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THREAD THEME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao5vqJre-xQ

>>214112077
>Amazon only had access to the appendices
was that intentional on their part or did they just have to settle for that

>>214113160
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=416vFlu595Q

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>>214118438
>pretend
there’s functionally no difference though.

>>214118473
you've already been told and lost the argument but just keep pretending you didn't read it, bad b8. last pity reply

>>214117885
Firstly, it was written by a catholic to reflect his worldview which was fundamentally catholic. If catholic is however catholics perceive the world, then the text is catholic.
For specifics
>faith trumping rationality (Gandalf vs Denethor)
>sin of lucifer's pride as a central theme
>virtue of mercy, forgiveness, and humility trumping warrior ethics (Frodo, Faramir, etc.)
>deference to god's plan, but also the importance of free will
>the idea that the world is in perpetual decline leading towards ultimate salvation
>the foolishness of materialism (dwarves, Thorin)
>the virtue of pacifist martyrdom and saintliness of submitting to suffering (Frodo carrying the ring like Jesus carrying the cross)
>omnipotent, omniscient god that Tolkien understood to be the catholic god
The entire story is Tolkien's way of engaging in secondary creation, his idea that we understand god by imitating the act of creation. Tolkien was developing his catholicism by inventing a world to express it.
>inb4 but you can find those in other religions too!
Yes, idiot. Catholicism has similarities with other belief systems. This isn't news to anyone. Nor is something less catholic for its similarities with other ideologies.

>>214118540
No, chuddie, you have not told me a single catholic thing in the trilogy. I accept your concession though. No go run away and cry.

>>214118437
J.R.R. Tolkien composed prayers in Elvish, particularly translating the "Pater Noster" (Our Father) into Sindarin as "Ae Adar nín" and the "Hail Mary" and other Catholic prayers into Quenya as "Aia María" and other versions, which were published in Vinyar Tengwar. He also created prayers like "Alcar mi Tarmenel na Erun" (Glory to God in the Highest) and the "Gloria Patri" (Glory be to the Father) in Quenya.

>>214113084
project the map of middle earth on europe. the shire is in birmingham as he intended which makes minas tirith rome. je knew what he was doing

>>214118484
They hate you, Hence the abomination. They hate straight white male Christian tier imagery and poetry. They're spawns of Satan.

>>214118575
Purposefully ignoring things doesn't help you, tranny

>>214118085
why did this post mindbreak the chud whining about not a single catholic thing?

>>214118410
There is nothing exclusively Christian worship, religious doctrines, or revelation. Or Christian virtues such as faith, trust in God, conversion, repentance, sin and forgiveness in the lord of the rings like I said. It only has perennial natural virtues such as duty, fearlessness, self-sacrifice, loyalty, wisdom etc. which can be found everywhere.

>>214112019
>Chuds keep losing
No need to make Rings of Power into some culture war issue. Everyone should be able to watch and enjoy it.

>>214118048
>>214118242
Tolkien catholicized the pagan stories, just like Snorri recontextualized the alfar into Ljósálfar and Dökkálfar that mirror angels and demons.

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I actually enjoyed Season 2 and Charlie Vickers was straight up satan while manipulating everyone in Eregion as Annatar. When he was interviewed he said he prepared by reading Paradise Lost over and over again and I was like "that tracks".
>t. Tolkien Scholar

>>214118619
>Trust in God

There literally is. Pity stayed Bilbo hand, I feel he has a part to play. Frodo failing and Golum biting off his finger.

>>214118663
Who ever wrote that article is not only a liar but a demon. It lies and deceives

>>214118619
Finrod Felagund literally spreading the gospel, Sam refusing to kill Gollum out of pity..

>>214118565
>>faith trumping rationality (Gandalf vs Denethor)
Bizarre misreading, Gandalf is shown to be far more rational than Denethor, who has literally been driven insane by Palantir misinformation. Gandalf’s stance isn’t faith but wisdom born of experience and long memory. He doesn’t just say “believe”, he offers strategy, courage, and practical leadership
>sin of lucifer's pride as a central theme
It is? Where in the LotR books is that?
>>deference to god's plan, but also the importance of free will
When is God's plan ever mentioned, chuddie?
>the idea that the world is in perpetual decline leading towards ultimate salvation
Perpetual decline yes, ultimate salvation no. "the long defeat" as Galadriel says, which is Tolkien’s adaptation of Norse myth, where the gods themselves are doomed at Ragnarök. It’s an elegiac, pagan melancholy, not Christian eschatology.
>the foolishness of materialism (dwarves, Thorin)
'Greed bad' is not a uniquely catholic theme, dumbass. The Dwarves’ greed is drawn straight from Germanic and Norse myth (the cursed hoards of the Nibelungen, Fáfnir the dragon).
>the virtue of pacifist martyrdom and saintliness of submitting to suffering (Frodo carrying the ring like Jesus carrying the cross)
Frodo is no pacifist. Heroes submitting themselves to suffering is common to any hero story. He doesn’t “save” the world by sacrifice either, Gollum’s intervention does. That undermines any Christ parallel. (and no, Eru did not make Gollum trip. That is not in the books)
>omnipotent, omniscient god that Tolkien understood to be the catholic god
Again, never appears anywhere in LotR.

>>214118698
>Pity stayed Bilbo hand
Pity is an emotion, chud, not God.
>Frodo failing and Golum biting off his finger.
Gollum isn't God either.

>>214118643
Yes, let us enjoy the putrid puke farted from the maw of a rotten fallen creature that was pooped from the orifice of Cthulu himself while Eldritch Palmer drips LSD spiked with pus and bile into his eyes!

>>214118619
The idea that there's salvation for everyone is an idea unique to Christianity. None of the pre-Christian pagan religions believed that everyone could be saved, or even that they deserved to be saved.

I'll state again because I peg your IQ at 110 at most.

The belief that history is working to a finale in which all are saved is purely, uniquely Christian.

LOTR's universe is supposed to end this way.
https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Dagor_Dagorath

>>214118793
back to r*ddit with you

I don't understand why this show causes so much butthurt. If you treat it like a heavily remixed second age silmarillion it's decent. It's the best case scenario for making an actual narrative out of silmarillion, which at its core is just a bunch of notes that his son compiled into a book.

>>214118774
It's okay, atheists, and it shall ever more be okay; least it will be once you've removed the fedora. Where's your rebuttal to Gandalf?

>>214118802
>The idea that there's salvation for everyone is an idea unique to Christianity
There isn't salvation for everyone in LotR, lorelet chud. Tolkien said Sauron could only have been healed if he had repented before Númenor fell and by the Third Age, that chance was long gone. That’s eternal damnation, not universal salvation. Saruman refuses redemption. He’s offered mercy (by Gandalf, later by Frodo), but he spits on it and doubles down.

At his death, his spirit is blown away, “shrinking into nothing,” denied even the path taken by Gandalf’s spirit. That’s not salvation, it’s permanent self-destruction. Dwarves don’t even have fëar (immortal souls) like Elves and Men.

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>>214118619
There isn't Christian ceremony in the text because Tolkien:
1. disliked real life allegories
2. wanted his world to fit into Christian cosmology. He thought of his setting as predating the old and new testaments by millennia.
3. imagined it as a world where the average person had no need of organized religion to live a good catholic life.
>Christian virtues such as faith, trust in God
Gandalf's trust in god is directly juxtaposed with Denethor's self-destructive rationalism
>repentance, sin and forgiveness
Gollum is a case study in the interplay of sin, forgiveness, repentance, and free will.
>It only has perennial natural virtues such as duty, fearlessness, self-sacrifice, loyalty, wisdom
They are all given a distinctly christian angle, and are shown to be wrong when they lack christian character.
Familial duty and loyalty are what causes Boromir to sin (and to redeem himself, a pillar of Christian stories)
Characters who aren't god-fearing end up being the greatest villains and tragic characters (Melkor, Sauron, Saruman, Faenor, Turin, etc.)
Denethor is described as seeming wiser than Gandalf, but he fails because he lacks faith

>>214118885
What do you mean? Gandalf's name is from Norse mythology, he is in the Dvergatal, the list of dwarves in the Völuspá (part of the Poetic Edda). Gandalf’s look comes directly from Odin’s “Wanderer” form (Grímnir), which Tolkien himself pointed out. Plus Gandalf is a sorcerer which Christianity condemns as diabolic. The Bible explicitly warns against sorcery (Deuteronomy 18:10–12).

>>214118793
verbose faggot
go back

>>214118659
He didn’t. There is no exclusively Christians virtues such as the ones I’ve listed. And there is a total lack of a concept of otherworldliness and a longing for personal and cosmic divine redemption, or how all main plots are motivated by purely worldly concerns.

Pagan aspects are absolutely essential to the lord of the rings. The tragic story of Gollum seems to be inseparately interwoven with the trope of fatalism and inescapably wickedness. Many Pagan elements could be pin-pointed but allow me to focus on the Gollum=Loki. which I think is absolutely central for the whole story arch of LotR. The story of Gollum’s ultimate wickedness in spite of the continual compassion shown him by Gandalf and Frodo falls closer in line with the tragic figure of Loki, doomed to fall and betray all that is good than it does anything Christian. Take St. Peter’s threefold betrayal of Christ and, in response to Christ’s mercy and love, St. Peter shows contrition, repents and is forgiven. One may raise Judas as a Christian parallel to a wicked man who voluntarily despaired and fell to his doom. Yet this analogy fails insofar as Judas was never met with mercy or compassion, but fled and died before he could receive such. This is disanalogous to Gollum who received this on multiple occasions, akin to St. Peter, yet rejected it and refused to change his way, unlike St. Peter. In this manner Gollum is akin to Loki in Old Norse Mythology. Both serve as the trickster character, incredibly dangerous and destructive but also helpful and necessary. Loki violated Thor’s wife Sif yet out of this course of events he made the dwarfs forge Mjølnir, the bane of the wicked trolls and giants. Gollum attacked Frodo and Sam yet was subdued and became an indispensable guide through the Dead Marches for them.Yet, like Loki, Gollum would ultimately betray the Fellowship and turn irreversibly wicked, as Loki turned on the gods.

>>214118838
RoP is a skinwalker show. It’s a basic cable tier script wearing the LotR IP like a skin suit. The criticism wouldn’t be so harsh if it was an original show that aired on USA network in like 2005.

>>214112019
>hobbits

Weren't they written out of the story by the end of last season?

>>214118971
I spoke of Gandalf's belief, 'I feel he has some part to play.' Gandalf being a Junior Angel affords more to his God being involved, and via said phrase above he is setting up the eventual assistance by said God in direct speech thereby christening for us the readers, that his God wasn't entirely hands off.

>>214118999
chuds have no response to this

>>214118887
dunning kruger lorelet here
>Dwarves don’t even have fëar (immortal souls)
it's left as a mystery what happens to them, all we know is they don't go to the halls of mandos. 0 indication that they don't have souls but okay
>At his death, his spirit is blown away, “shrinking into nothing,” denied even the path taken by Gandalf’s spirit.
woah bad angel doesn't go to heaven? dayum well in christian theology, if you don't go to heaven that means you un-exist. there's no other place you can end up!

>>214119122
>Gandalf being a Junior Angel
Never mentioned in the LotR books
>his God
Never mentioned in the LotR books
>said God
Never mentioned in the LotR books
>God wasn't entirely hands off
Never mentioned in the LotR books
>thereby christening for us the readers
we the readers could never infer from that phrase that it has anything to do with God because that God is never mentioned in the LotR books

>>214118999
nice chatgpt post varg, go to bed it's almost 2am in france. lotr will never not be christian, seethe and cope

>>214118943
>Familial duty and loyalty are what causes Boromir to sin (and to redeem himself, a pillar of Christian stories)
There isn’t any Christian parallels to Boromir. Boromir, having betrayed Frodo, admits as much, yet no greater contrition or remorse is shown. Indeed, Like you said with familial duty Boromir’s regret seem primarily based on purely worldly considerations, namely the safety of his people and his earthly kingdom. Contrast this with the Christian notion of confession. Here is absent any sense of supernatural faith, hope and charity. Here is no deeper consideration of sin against God (or divine justice) or neighbor, indeed, the betrayal of Frodo is secondary and subordinate to Boromir’s primary fiasco, his failure to protect his people and realm. Yet these are purely worldly considerations and in no sense particularly Chrisitan.
Boromir’s confessions” finds a much closer parallel in the Pagan Anglo Saxon poem Beowulf, with which Tolkien was intensely familiar. Herein Beowulf, just about to die of his mortal wounds, like Boromir, confesses to his comrade in arms and his royal heir Wiglaf, as Boromir did to Aragon, Gondor’s proper heir. Both confess a personal fault that is subordinate to their greater regret, namely their fear of not having provided proper protection for their people and realm. Clearly, this scene draws from Pagan Germanic material and not the Christian faith.

>>214118999
>>214119135
Judas touched the very power of God and still betrayed his Son unto death. Peter's Denial stemmed from fear where as Judas was stealing for sometime and conspired to have his Lord.killed! Fear vs HATRED FOR THE LORD!

>>214119166
>bad angel
Its never mentioned anywhere in the LotR books that he is an "angel"
>if you don't go to heaven that means you un-exist.
so you are not saved, so there isn't universal salvation which you claimed was the fundamental Catholic theme that we find in LotR and which is evidence of LotR being Catholic. You just btfo yourself.

>>214117493
he hated white people

>>214119186
"Then darkness took me, and I strayed out of thought and time, and I wandered far on roads that I will not tell.

"Naked I was sent back - for a brief time, until my task is done. And naked I lay upon the mountain-top. [...] I was alone, forgotten, without escape upon the hard horn of the world. There I lay staring upward, while the stars wheeled over, and each day was as long as a life-age of the earth. Faint to my ears came the gathered rumour of all lands: the springing and the dying, the song and the weeping, and the slow everlasting groan of overburdened snow."


He was sent by a mere prudent plan of the angelic Valar or governors; but Authority had taken up this plan and enlarged it, at the moment of its failure. 'Naked I was sent back - for a time, until my task is done'. Sent back by whom, and whence? Not by the 'gods' whose business is only with this embodied world and its time; for he passed 'out of thought and time'.
-- Tolkien's Letters, Letter 156

>>214119312
>"Then darkness took me, and I strayed out of thought and time, and I wandered far on roads that I will not tell.
>"Naked I was sent back - for a brief time, until my task is done. And naked I lay upon the mountain-top. [...] I was alone, forgotten, without escape upon the hard horn of the world. There I lay staring upward, while the stars wheeled over, and each day was as long as a life-age of the earth. Faint to my ears came the gathered rumour of all lands: the springing and the dying, the song and the weeping, and the slow everlasting groan of overburdened snow."
no mentioning or even hint of God
>He was sent by a mere prudent plan of the angelic Valar or governors; but Authority had taken up this plan and enlarged it, at the moment of its failure. 'Naked I was sent back - for a time, until my task is done'. Sent back by whom, and whence? Not by the 'gods' whose business is only with this embodied world and its time; for he passed 'out of thought and time'.
Not in LotR

>>214119214
I’m Christian. I enjoy slaughtering sacred cows that certain Christians have falsely created like the Lord of the rings being a Christian work.

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>>214114889
kek

>>214118754
>t. never read the books
Denethor and Saruman come to perfectly reasonable conclusions (ie that all evidence suggests Sauron will win). It is only Gandalf's hope and faith that help him succeed.
>It is? Where in the LotR books is that?
Sauron. At the moment of his death (the only time we get his pov) he becomes completely salient of his mistaken pride.
Saruman. His motivation is that he wants to be more than what God made him to be.
>When is God's plan ever mentioned, chuddie?
Gandalf repeatedly alludes to it, and Tolkien explicitly explained that it was divine miracle for Gollum to fall into the lava. It is literally the climax of the story.
>Perpetual decline yes, ultimate salvation no.
Tolkien is explicit, and we have his notes. We know that ultimate salvation is a part of his world.
>'Greed bad' is not a uniquely catholic theme
I didn't say it was. Learn to read. It is catholic in the context of broader catholic themes.
>Frodo is no pacifist
His martyrdom is pacifistic. He doesn't die in a suicidal act of violence, like a jihadist. He proves himself by accepting suffering.
>Gollum’s intervention does.
*Gods intervention
>That undermines any Christ parallel. (and no, Eru did not make Gollum trip. That is not in the books)
It was Tolkien's explicit intention to imply divine miracle. He writes as much.
>Again, never appears anywhere in LotR.
But he is foundational to Tolkien's world, and alluded to at various points.

Your whole argument is a tired appeal to the death of the author.
No amount of sophistry will change that Tolkien wrote a story that is catholic.

>>214112466
Tolkien's England was very different to today.

>>214112522
DEI is cancer.

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>>214119336
He was resurrected Anon, therefore Your catch 22, least your attempt at one, doesn't even qualify as a gotcha. Him being Resurrected and his feelings on Golum, not to mention the eventual Role Golum played, should allay your misgivings, but that damn Fedora stifles the blood flow to your brain!

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>>214119400
>His motivation is that he wants to be more than what God made him to be.
Impossible, because God is never mentioned in LotR.
>Gandalf repeatedly alludes to it
No
>Tolkien explicitly explained that it was divine miracle for Gollum to fall into the lava
Not in the books
>we have his notes
Not in the books
>We know that ultimate salvation is a part of his world.
Not by reading LotR
>It is catholic in the context of broader catholic themes
Which aren't in the LotR books
>He proves himself by accepting suffering
Like all heroes
>*Gods intervention
Not in the LotR books
>It was Tolkien's explicit intention to imply divine miracle. He writes as much.
Not in the LotR books.
>Your whole argument is a tired appeal to the death of the author.
My entire argument is an appeal to the text of the LotR books

>>214119447
Sure, if it's putting unqualified people in positions of power/responsibility.
These are actors. They play pretend in front of a camera.

>>214118565
>Frodo carrying the ring like Jesus carrying the cross)
Gollum is the one that destroyed the ring. Frodo succumbed to the Ring’s corruption and falls for its temptations in Mount Doom rather than overcoming it through humility he is overcome by evil! Jesus is never overcome by evil. What should Sam had done? Commit a sort of fratricide? The ultimate triumph of evil and avarice as Frodo left a heartbroken Sam who still had too much love to lift up his sword against Frodo? In either scenario evil would have triumphed, either directly or indirectly, as the price of peace was bought by shameful moral sin.
The story of the fall of Frodo is also the story of corruption’s final victory over even the most innocent and pure. Which does not parallel Jesus Christ.

>>214119515
They are absolutely unqualified given the source material.

>>214119494
Christ’s resurrection dies for humanity’s sins and rises by His own divine power. Gandalf, by contrast, is sent back by someone else. He doesn’t conquer death, he gets re-assigned to finish a mission. His “death” at the Balrog is more like Odin hanging on Yggdrasil or Baldr returning after Ragnarök, cyclical myth, not Christian salvation. And crucially: Gandalf’s return saves no one from sin, nor does it open eternal life to anyone. It’s tactical, not theological.

R.E. Howard is better anyways

Jon Snow gets resurrected, I guess Game of Thrones is deeply, fundamentally, profoundly Catholic

>>214119556
Christ isn't God.

Colossians 1:15–18

NIV

The Supremacy of the Son of God

15 The Son is the imageh of the invisible God,i the firstbornj over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created:k things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities;l all things have been created through him and for him.m 17 He is before all things,n and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the heado of the body, the church;p he is the beginning and the firstbornq from among the dead,r so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

Colossians 1:15–18 — New Living Translation (NLT)
15 Christ is the visible image of the invisible God.

He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,

16 for through him God created everything

in the heavenly realms and on earth.

He made the things we can see

and the things we can’t see—

such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world.

Everything was created through him and for him.

17 He existed before anything else,

and he holds all creation together.

18 Christ is also the head of the church,

which is his body.

He is the beginning,

supreme over all who rise from the dead.

So he is first in everything.

Orthodox is better and truer to the original writers' intents.

>>214119678
>Christ isn't God.
The absolute state of tradlarpers. The foundation of Christianity is that Christ is God

>>214119653
Game of thrones writer is a butt hurt retarded atheist.

>>214119713
>Christ is God


Prove it

>>214119715
Why did he write such a fundamentally Catholic work then?

>>214119713
I know every scripture.

And I know the big bang is trash, as is self creation and evolution because None of that trash was ever proven nor can it be.

>>214119743
The Nicene Creed, the bedrock of Christianity since 325 AD, literally confesses: ‘We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, true God from true God, begotten not made, of one essence with the Father.’ That phrase “true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one essence with the Father” was deliberately crafted to refute the claim “Christ isn’t God”. It says outright: Christ isn’t just like God, or from God, but is God, equal in essence to the Father. If you deny Christ is God, you’re not making a Christian argument but you’re repeating the Arian heresy the Church already crushed 1,700 years ago.

>>214119400
Anon your whole assumption is based off one sentence in a letter he later changed his mind on in later writings and material not in the Lord of the Rings. the meaning or interpretation of LotR is not to be found in Tolkien but in LotR itself! One needs no dogmatic adherence to the “Death of the Author” to consider that authorial intent may not always successfully express itself in the authors execution. The fallacy of intentionality could also be mentioned, but consider for the sake of argument that Tolkien in 1953 had explicitly declared Lord of the Rings to be a Christian work only to reverse his opinion in 1965 declaring it utter Pagan. What then? Can authors comments fundamentally change the meaning of their work by fiat? Such questions help us base our interpretation of a work on the work itself and not disconnect it from it. You keep trying to support it being Catholic by appealing to other sources because you can’t establish it being a Christian work from the books themselves.

>>214119783
No, larper, you don't know any scripture. You will never be Christian.

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>>214119746
He's a butt hurt atheist who wanted to counter the Professor!!

At the very least the Professor finished his book(s)! Can the fat tub of lard say the same?

>>214119795
The Bible, show it in the Bible!

>>214119838
Yeah but the LotR books are deeply, aggressively Catholic because Gandalf gets resurrected. Jon Snow gets resurrected, therefore GoT is just as Catholic.

>>214119827
>no u

Proof is in the pudding

>>214119870
>>214119870
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God… And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.”
The Word = Christ The Word was God Christ is God

Chuds getting annihilated in this thread. Love to see it.

>>214119870
The Bible flat-out calls Jesus God: *‘The Word was God’ (John 1:1), ‘My Lord and my God’ (John 20:28), and ‘our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ’ (Titus 2:13). If Christ isn’t God, then Scripture itself is lying.

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>>214119882
Nice try, atheist, but your attempt and the fat man's contempt holds no power here!!!!!

>>214119941
They got nothing, its beautiful

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>>214119511
t.

>>214119909
The king James typo isn't proof of anything, try again! Why, because accurate translations says, The Word was WITH God.

>>214112227
>>214112431
Will /tv/ buy my book if and when I finish it? I can write, I actually have an idea for an epic series (which I'm not going to share; I'm not stupid) and it'll be the antithesis of all this tiresome jewish shit. I just don't want to expend the massive effort involved only for no one to even look at it.

>>214119987
I accept your concession

>>214118601
that doesnt awnser my question

The rise of Christian LARPing among/pol/ regulars has been a pretty funny phase. Even my fag brother who went from fedora tipping teenager that loved smoking weed daily turned into one that takes every opportunity to mention his phony faith and "finding a church right for him" despite it being 2 years already. I hope you guys find a new fixation, because this one is literally feeding too much into your god complexes and holier than thou egos in the most obnoxious way possible.

>>214113548
It needs a bigger fire

>>214119989
Pathetic. there’s no “KJV typo.” The Greek text itself says both “the Word was with God” and “the Word was God". Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος … καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν … καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.
“pros ton Theon” = “with God”
“kai Theos ēn ho Logos” = “and the Word was God.”
Every major translation keeps both clauses, ESV, NIV, NASB, NRSV, NET. This isn’t KJV-only, dumbass, it’s standard Greek. You will NEVER be Christian.

>>214119946
There's many better translations that says With God

"According to John
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. 2This one was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence."

>>214112077
>fanfiction
I disagree. Fanfiction is written by fans.
This shit is much much worse.

>>214120084
did you even read what you just posted, retard?

>>214120076
Typo

Proverbs 8:30


Good News Translation
I was beside him like an architect, I was his daily source of joy, always happy in his presence--

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>>214112560
>Númenóreans were basically white supremacists and so were the Gondorians but they were not only white supremacists they even hated blond and red heads because they saw them as lesser then them.

so having established this you would think the millennials and trannies would have integrated this fact into the story somehow cause it perfectly fits their agenda so why did they not do that? my only conclusion is that the people Amazon has writing this shitshow have no idea about the lore the backstory.

>>214120103
Yes. And it says In the beginning the Word/Jesus/Michael was with God.

>>214120334
And what does it say right after, larper?

>>214113147
I think it’s rebelling.
The casting directors and the people who have any weight when it comes to casting are forced to fill quotas.
And they’re like, “Oh, you say I HAVE to put black people in this? I’m going to find the ugliest person possible.”
It’s malicious compliance.

>>214120408
Listen. Jesus had a beginning, God doesn't. One typo doesn't mean a thing. I've shown Scriptures that says differently but you're stuck on typo.

>>214117640
It’s just poisoning the IP. They’re devaluing the brand.
Does the newest Indiana Jones ruin the original trilogy? No, but the brand is definitely tainted.
The same with Star Wars and many other things.

>>214120435
What does it say right after in the translation that you yourself posted, larper?

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>>214120458
Colossians 1:15-18

See Picrel

>>214120538
No, larper. In the John 1:1 translation you posted. What does it say right after "and the Word was with God"?

>>214120458
Now compare that to Proverbs 8:30
Proverbs 8:30 ►
Audio Cross Study Comm Heb
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
Then I was constantly at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence,

New Living Translation
I was the architect at his side. I was his constant delight, rejoicing always in his presence.

English Standard Version
then I was beside him, like a master workman, and I was daily his delight, rejoicing before him always,

Berean Standard Bible
Then I was a skilled craftsman at His side, and His delight day by day, rejoicing always in His presence.

King James Bible
Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

>>214120565
No, larper. In the John 1:1 translation you posted. What does it say right after "and the Word was with God"?

>>214120565
Imagine LARPing as ‘trad’ Christian and denying Christ is God

>>214120453
So it is bad because the next people to get their hands on the IP won't be able to make as much money off of it as they'd be able to otherwise?

>>214120562
Satan is called by Jesus himself the god of this system! So yes, he will be called a Mighty god, where as Jehovah is the Almighty however, He allows his son to rule for a thousand years and then Jesus returns the Kingdom to God.

1Corinthians 15:24,

1 Corinthians 15:24 states, "Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power." This verse signifies the culmination of Christ's reign, where He will hand over the kingdom to God after overcoming all forms of authority and power. It reflects the eschatological theme of the ultimate victory of God over all adversaries.

>>214120581
Funny how you vanished, larper. Because if you actually answered the question, if you actually read the rest of John 1:1 in your own ‘translation’, you’d have to admit it literally says ‘and the Word was God.’ And the second you admit that, your whole little fake trad world collapses. Better to run than face the fact that the Bible itself refutes you. You will never ever be Christian.

>>214120615
>Christ is God

Prove it

I've posted Scriptures.

>>214118378
this has to be ai generated
there's no way a real human bean looks exactly like a chudjak

>>214120705
Oh man, this is classic pseudo-Christian cult-speak, you are regurgitating Jehovah’s Witness Arianism. 2 Corinthians 4:4 calls Satan the “god of this world”, but that’s lowercase, figurative: it means he has influence over sinful systems, not that he is divine. Scripture repeatedly distinguishes between false “gods” and the one true God (Deut. 6:4). If your logic held, then calling Satan “god” would make him divine, but that’s blasphemy, not Christianity. 2. “Mighty God” in Isaiah 9:6 is Jesus, not Satan. The prophecy calls the coming Messiah “Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” Christians universally interpret this as Christ. No early Christian ever read “Mighty God” as Satan. Your to shove Satan into a messianic prophecy is pure desperation. Christ’s Reign in 1 Corinthians 15 is about order within the Trinity, not inequality of divinity. The Son and the Father share one essence (John 10:30), but the Son submits functionally in His mediatorial role. It doesn’t say “Christ isn’t God”, it says the Son glorifies the Father, which is Trinitarian harmony.
Your "theology" boils down to: Satan gets called ‘god,’ Jesus gets demoted to ‘mighty god,’ but Jehovah keeps the big title. That’s not Christianity, it’s Arianism, and the Bible itself wrecks it with verses like John 1:1, John 20:28, and Col 2:9, where Christ is called God Almighty. Just give up the larp.

>>214120737
I did, incel.
John 1:1.
First you lied about a wrong translation, then you posted your own, and now you keep refusing to admit that your translation also affirms Christ's divinity.
What does it say right after "and the Word was with God"? What does it say?

>>214120862
You're still on this typo? It's okay to be afraid of the truth. How's about you go pray about it and as the movies says, the Truth points to itself. But you have to pray for the Truth and not an excuse to avoid it.

>>214120921
What does it say right after "and the Word was with God"?

>>214112134
Low iq troon

>>214120737
john 8 58-59
>truly truly I tell you, before abraham was, I am.
>and they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple
jesus explicitly using the tetragrammaton to refer to himself, don't know what else you could want

>>214117771
Kike

>>214120940
It says the word was a god, not The God. Satan was also called a god, but an god of this demonic system. Move on from the Typo!

>>214112227
here's some facts for your you dumb incel fag. white chads never gave a shit about nerdy shit like lord of the rings. only nerdy white boys with tiny penises bothered with tolkien's crap

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>>214112404
There's no memes or even webms of season 2 cause no one's ever seen it.

>>214120018
I have zero money

>>214120985
Colossians 1:15-18

Jesus existed for Countless Billions of years. God created him making him God's Only Begotten, as in I made him Directly, Son!.through Jesus God. Created all else!. When God said, Let US Make Man, he meant Jesus who has a quote at Proverbs 8:30

>>214120985
He is a larper who was caught and is just trolling now. First he claimed that "and the Word was God" was a KJV mistranslation of "and the Word was with God" because he knows so little about scripture that he didn't realize that both clauses are in the text, back to back. He even posted a "faithful" translation which includes both without realizing. Now he just vaguely refers to a "typo" while avoiding to specify where the typo originates. The truth is of course that the clause καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος every ancient manuscript and is translated in every version of the bible.

>>214117640
Are you sure? Check again faggot

>>214121005
As I already told you, John 1:1 in Greek is καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος (kai Theos ēn ho Logos), there is no article with “Theos” here. So no, “John 1:1 doesn’t say ‘a god’, it says God.

>>214121072
I've posted nothing but scriptures but I see you're incapable of seeing the truth.
John 14:28 Jesus literally Says, the Father is Greater than I!

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>>214121091
Fuck... I just checked and now it says at the beginning that there were brown Hobbits! wtf

>>214121141
You know so little about Christianity, its hilarious. This is functional subordination, not ontological. Jesus is speaking about His role in the incarnation, not His eternal nature. He is fully God, but voluntarily submits to the Father’s will during His earthly mission (Philippians 2:5–8).
Have you even heard of the trinity before, larper?

>>214121122
>>214120817

That typo over rides Colossians 1:15-18, Proverbs 8:30, John 14:28, 1 Corinthians 15:24 and I can go on but what's the point? You'll go back to that typo and hang on it for dear life

>>214121194
Jesus incarnated? Where is this stated in the scriptures?

>>214121204
There is no “typo”. John 1:1’s Greek text literally reads: “and the Word was God”. This isn’t a printing error, KJV quirk, or mistranslation, it’s in all the earliest manuscripts and every translation. Calling it a “typo” is desperation without evidence. The point isn’t obsessing over one verse; the point is that John 1:1 declares Christ’s deity in the clearest possible way, and all Scripture that speaks of His nature is consistent with it. See Colossians 2:9, Hebrews 1:8, John 20:28.

>>214121072
>He is a larper who was caught and is just trolling now
fair. I'll always give the blatantly obvious answer though, because its so easy to demonstrate jesus fully intends to be seen as divine.
and I did look up the septuagint translation of exodus 3 14 to compare it to the phrasing in john 8 58. in a shocking turn of events, both use the exact same phrasing for the "I am", ἐγὼ εἰμί

>>214121228
“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.”
Became flesh” = incarnation. This is probably news to you, isn't it, larper?
Colossians 2:9: “For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily.”
Confirms that Jesus is fully God and fully human simultaneously. Also, do you know what a human body is made of?

>>214121279
He is going to claim now that all of John is a typo

>>214121239
John 17:4,5 Jesus says, I have finished the work YOU have given ME!

One typo convinced you Jesus spoke to himself about work he gave himself to finish And now he's praying to himself?

We're taught to Pray to God but in Jesus' name but according to you he is both God and Jesus so why is he our high priest If he's God, and why does he give the Kingdom back to himself(1 Corinthians 15:24) if he's the Other self any how?

>>214120775
It’s not, they used to post on /lgbt/

>>214121070
throw whatever prooftexts you want out there
jesus referred to himself with the divine name and the devout jews around him immediately reach for stones to execute him for blasphemy

>>214121279
>>214121277
Moar Typos!!! William Tyndale version is more accurate than the James version. Tyndale started 16 Years earlier too.

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>>214121406
>Proof text?

See Picrel

>>214121417
>tyndale went back in time over a thousand years and caused greek speaking jewish scribes living before jesus was born to mistranslate exodus
whew lad that's a spicy claim

>>214121458
>See Picrel
you don't even know what a prooftext is lmao
please study theology before you try again little buddy

>>214121347
Who made the typo, larper? What gives you the right to declare parts of Scripture (that are in every manuscript) to be typos?

>>214121347
>John 17:4,5 Jesus says, I have finished the work YOU have given ME!
You have already told us that John is riddled with typos so that was probably meant to say "I have given myself"

>>214121464
>a thousand years

Well anon, Jerome apologist was even earlier than that.

>>214121521
I said Your Translation is trash. John is fine. Lets start with Tyndale.

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Christ obviously wasn't God, he was a trans activist

>>214121498
I said King James, but there are many typos out there that's for.sure.

>>214121543
I showed you the original greek and you kept maintaining that its a typo.
> Lets start with Tyndale.
No lets start with the original Greek. καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος. Where is the article?

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>wokeness
>cultural engineering
>the so-called tolerant left
No, I just hate fat ugly niggers

>>214121580
No, larper, I showed you the original greek and you kept maintaining that its a typo.
καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος. Where is the typo?

>>214112019
They are using women and black/brown people to ruin every franchise that white males love. They are waging a cultural war against the West.

>>214121571
>eunuch = trans
The biggest self own lmao

>>214121628
I wouldn't be ,ad if they were at least attractive. Or you now, could act.

>>214112522
>elves and hobbits of every race!
That is turbo cancel levels of a shite decision. That totally shits all over the entire source material, shows nothing but contempt.

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>>214121672
You have never read the source material

>>214121604
the Word: Or “the Logos.” Greek, ho loʹgos. Here used as a title, it is also used at Joh 1:14 and Re 19:13. John identified the one to whom this title belongs, namely, Jesus. This title was applied to Jesus during his prehuman existence as a spirit creature, during his ministry on earth as a perfect man, and after his exaltation to heaven. Jesus was God’s Word of communication, or Spokesman, for conveying information and instructions to the Creator’s other spirit sons and to humans. So it is reasonable to think that prior to Jesus’ coming to earth, Jehovah on many occasions communicated with mankind through the Word, His angelic mouthpiece.—Ge 16:7-11; 22:11; 31:11; Ex 3:2-5; Jg 2:1-4; 6:11, 12; 13:3.

with: Lit., “toward.” In this context, the Greek preposition pros implies close proximity and fellowship. It also indicates separate persons, in this case, the Word and the only true God.

>>214121626
>>214121713
the Word was a god: Or “the Word was divine [or, “a godlike one”].” This statement by John describes a quality or characteristic of “the Word” (Greek, ho loʹgos; see study note on the Word in this verse), that is, Jesus Christ. The Word’s preeminent position as the firstborn Son of God through whom God created all other things is a basis for describing him as “a god; a godlike one; divine; a divine being.” Many translators favor the rendering “the Word was God,” equating him with God Almighty. However, there are good reasons for saying that John did not mean that “the Word” was the same as Almighty God. First, the preceding clause and the following clause both clearly state that “the Word” was “with God.” Also, the Greek word the·osʹ occurs three times in verses 1 and 2. In the first and third occurrences, the·osʹ is preceded by the definite article in Greek; in the second occurrence, there is no article.

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Many scholars agree that the absence of the definite article before the second the·osʹ is significant. When the article is used in this context, the·osʹ refers to God Almighty. On the other hand, the absence of the article in this grammatical construction makes the·osʹ qualitative in meaning and describes a characteristic of “the Word.” Therefore, a number of Bible translations in English, French, and German render the text in a way similar to the New World Translation, conveying the idea that “the Word” was “a god; divine; a divine being; of divine kind; godlike.” Supporting this view, ancient translations of John’s Gospel into the Sahidic and the Bohairic dialects of the Coptic language, probably produced in the third and fourth centuries C.E., handle the first occurrence of the·osʹ at Joh 1:1 differently from the second occurrence. These renderings highlight a quality of “the Word,” that his nature was like that of God, but they do not equate him with his Father, the almighty God. In harmony with this verse, Col 2:9 describes Christ as having “all the fullness of the divine quality.”

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lmao you just quoted some bit of John study notes which doesn't even address the issue. Plus you once again exposed your utter ignorance of theology. Of course the father and the son are separate persons, but they are the same in essence. Do you know what that means? Have you heard of the trinity before?

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>is presented with the greek text and asked to analyze it
>immediately starts talking about english translations
oh nononono

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And according to 2Pe 1:4, even Christ’s joint heirs would “become sharers in divine nature.” Additionally, in the Septuagint translation, the Greek word the·osʹ is the usual equivalent of the Hebrew words rendered “God,” ʼel and ʼelo·himʹ, which are thought to convey the basic meaning “Mighty One; Strong One.” These Hebrew words are used with reference to the almighty God, other gods, and humans. (See study note on Joh 10:34.) Calling the Word “a god,” or “a mighty one,” would be in line with the prophecy at Isa 9:6, foretelling that the Messiah would be called “Mighty God” (not “Almighty God”) and that he would be the “Eternal Father” of all those privileged to live as his subjects. The zeal of his own Father, “Jehovah of armies,” would accomplish this.—Isa 9:7.

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more bits from John study notes you are just cipying and pasting without understanding. pathetic.

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Yeah we get it, you googled John study notes and are just spamming us with it. They bear no relation to the argument, retard.
I am going to bed, you evidently know less about Christianity than someone who was born in a non-Christian culture given that you have never even heard of the trinity. You will never ,ever be Christian, larper.

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>>214121861
So you're still clinging onto that Typo? Gentlemen. Wow!

>>214121628
And they'll keep losing money and get republicans elected that way.

>>214112019
The globalists are working hard pulling the plug on every aspect of society while distracting the plebs with Weimar garbage like this

>>214112560
Orc and Goblin illegal immigration replacing Elves in their realms and Hobbits in the Shire would’ve made Tolkien happy. Tolkien loved the Scouring of the Shire by Saruman and progress with socialism brought by him.

>>214118999
>no exclusively Christians virtues
Nice goalpost moving.
Are there any EXCLUSIVELY christian virtues?
Are there any virtues that are exclusive to any religion?
Is there any holy text, from any religion, which wouldn't be similar to any point in the text to suit a different belief system?

You are a sophist. You've erected an impossible standard by which to measure catholic influence in LOTR.

>>214119511
>Tolkien: I wrote a catholic story to explore my own catholic beliefs
>you: um, acktually, you're wrong, media literacy proves the story has no catholic themes
It's all in the books. Tolkien writes about what he was doing with the books, so we know exactly what the themes and intention are.
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>Frodo succumbed to the Ring’s corruption and falls for its temptations
Tolkien tells us that no one could have done what Frodo did, but he felt only an act of god could destroy the ring, because the ring represents something no man, hobbit, or angel has the strength to destroy (sin).
I didn't say Frodo IS Tolkien's messiah. I'm saying Tolkien's depiction of Frodo harkens to the supreme virtue of Jesus.

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Honestly who cares? Everyone knows it’s garbage and it’s easy enough to forget it’s even associated with Lord of the rings

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His intention at the time of writing was to write a catholic story (unconsciously at first, consciously in the end), and an analysis of the text confirms its catholic influences.
Can you interpret it differently? Yes. Everyone from 60s hippies to neo-nazis to the idiots at Amazon found some different interpretation.

But Tolkien, a catholic, wrote it, as a catholic text, and included in it catholic themes and ideas. It is, in principle, a catholic text.

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>>214122204
Find Christian faith, Christian trust in God, Christian conversion, Christian repentance, Christian sin and forgiveness in the lord of the rings. All of these have a unique definition to Christianity. There’s only perennial natural virtues in the Lord of the Rings.
>You've erected an impossible standard by which to measure catholic influence in LOTR.
Nope. They just dont exist. Lord of the Rings is not a Christian work. By “not Christian”I do not mean it is necessarily antithetical, contrary or adversarial toward Christianity. Rather in the Lord of the Rings there is an absence and disinterest with a specifically Chrisitan world view or values. In other words, LotR does not contain or present anything particularly Christian that is not found in, especially Old Norse, Pagan myths. You are probably just a amerilard tradcath larper with a profound ignorance of European folk beliefs, Old Norse Mythology, and its thought-world. Luckily Tolkien, as a Professor of Anglo-Saxon, suffer no such short comings and had a thorough expertise with Germanic literature and mythology at large and particularly Old Norse.
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>Tolkien: I wrote a catholic story to explore my own catholic beliefs
No. He wrote two years after he claimed it to be Catholic that it has no religious themes or ideas. Cope.
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>Tolkien's depiction of Frodo harkens to the supreme virtue of Jesus.
Except it doesn’t because Frodo fell to the ring. Christ did not sin or fall to corruption.

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Not necessarily, but in this case it definitely is

QRD on the 2nd season please