>>214129059
>he would rather whore out his image filming fan videos in his living room on call than finish his fucking book
I'm calling it. GoT S8 was the basic arc his stories would take and now he's too scared to actually write them after the show crashed because he loves his reputation and legacy too much

>>214129059
Who cares about this slop? Read a real book

How could I write a prestige television worthy book series?

hey jannie!

>>214129059
Is this real? Who’s going to pay him to shoutout /got/hotd/?

>>214129215
This.
The passage of time made the rose-tinted-glasses fall and everyone and their mother have discovered what unsufferable badly written slop this series truly is.
It got away with murder because of the killing the good guys twists in aGoT and aSoS, but frankly that slop that was the last book is fucking unreadable and makes it clear the guy doesn't have a clue about where anything of this is going or what it has to say.
Even Preston Jacobs is now openly saying the books are low-tier soap operettes with a fantasy skin

>>214129215
whats a real book

>>214129296
Twilight, unironically

>>214129264
If you're rich, this is basically a prank call

>>214129381
We missed out on buying Bran’s rape wheelchair at auction and now we will miss out on this.

>>214129381
Couldn't you get him to say something embarrassing about not wanting to write for annoying dickhead fans anymore then do a chargeback?

>>214129493
The celebrity can reject requests, he wouldn’t do it.

someone please pay him to say he's never finishing the shitty books and to give away the ending he had planned

>>214129277

At its core the books are just Dune transposed into a fantasy setting.
The good and just house Atreides/Stark gets involved with a scheme involving a monarch where they get "honored" into a plot that destroys them by the evil house Harkonnen/Lannister.
The children of house Stark however managed to eventually fight back with some unlikely allies and eventually come out on top.
Also the people from beyond the wall are obviously fremen types too (that help Starks reclaim what's theirs)

He added a lot more fantasy stuff and so on but the basic core of the story is there and the arcs would've been perfectly fine in a three book format but he kept padding it out with more and more meandering subplots that take forever to play out and converge.

Pay him to read the whole passage of "sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning"
Or the R'hllor Hungers pasta

>>214129527
this is what i was thinking when i listened to the dune audiobook recently. the tone and concepts are so close to asoif it's very obvious he adapted it into fantasy. bran is literally just paul

I fully believe the shows hated ending was more or less what martin planned on doing, and upon seeing how fucking despised it was shit his pants and has had to re-write his entire ending. The only other plausible is that he straight up doesn't know how to tie up his story lines, or is riding the gravy train and won't finish it because he doesn't have to.

>>214129277
I remember years ago an anon pointed out that george stole most of his ideas and events of what happens in the series from a friends series, some of his old books, some dnd campaigns and other miscellaneous shit, and now that he's run out of all that to tap into hes stuck like a fish in a puddle.
>Even Preston Jacobs is now openly saying the books are low-tier soap operettes with a fantasy skin
Keep in mind preston has angry ex-wife energy about george. Dude was theorizing his series before even got aired, he'd been obsessed with it forever, and when he finally got a chance to meet george and try and discuss all his theories and the other books george wrote to show he really understands george, george was just like
>"what the fuck are you talking about? Writing, no no, lets eat. You want some potatoes, kid?"
He's been seething ever since. Same shit as nerdrotic ever since george snubbed him after he did some con work and met george.

>>214129562
If he was riding the gravy train, wouldn't it be more profitable to be actually releasing books?

>>214129527
The subplots and subplots are sort of why Westeros became such a beloved place though. The breadth of the world building is what separated his books from the countless other great fantasy settings that came before. It just turns out writing an expansive world is a lot easier than keeping everything coherent, let alone tying it all up neatly

>>214129579
Nah, you just ride out your royalties for the last 1/4 of your life (martin isn't young) instead of dropping a book that'll stain your legacy.

>>214129600
His laziness and D&D have already ruined his legacy.

>>214129594

That's why it's generally a good idea to have the overall arcs planned out for books in advance so there's a set number of books. He can always write side material and spinoffs later on to pad the setting out even more, the fans would love that.
But now it's come to a point where's he's writing side materials but not the actual main line books.

>>214129558
>asoif
why do you not put the a? Its weird without it. its like calling GoT, GT.

>>214129612
Not for normies and die hard martin fans, no. For anyone with a working brain, yeah, but those same people usually realize the books are very flawed by the time they finish the second book.

>>214129177
>reputation
Preserving your reputation as a writer by forging a new reputation of laziness and inability to finish a story is a bold strategy

>>214129634
a smell of Indians farting

>>214129600
>instead of dropping a book that'll stain your legacy.
It's artistic cowardice. He's probably hoping he'll just croak and critics 50 years from now will harp on about the lost potential, the final books we'll never get to see. Future generations completely oblivious to the fact everybody here and now in Martin's time knew that he was just too lazy or couldn't hack it.

>>214129059
>Author - Game of Thrones, House of the Dragon
This is how you know it's not actually him

>>214129640
Normies are the first one who turned their backs on him, because they kept watching the show's ending and it turned out to be complete shit.
Diehard Gurm fans are the only ones left, yeah.

>>214129656
That's likely what his original plan was, but that shits been kaiboshed to the abyss. People talk non-stop about all his side projects, how its been like 15 fucking years, like 21-22 if you count books 4 and 5 as one book, which they are. The narrative has gone from lost potential because he's older to he's just a lazy fuck who doesn't want to write but wants to fleece his fans as much as possible to make money. Hes not only tarnished his legacy but likely damaged the medium for any writer that wants to make a series that isn't already established. Who the fuck is risking buying any half finished series with 2+ books when george and rothfuss are the biggest examples of recent memory of just not completing their work. And then you pile on all the contrarian fucks who defend george about this, and it must be doing severe damage to any aspiring writer who doesn't want to just make a short story ya novel.

>>214129695
No, normies got to the end of the show and hated it because it "ruined Martins vision" and the overall, very loud fan consensus was "they should have waited for the last book to come out instead of making their own ending. This is a disservice to J.R.R Martin and thank god he can make the real and good ending, now we wait for Martin man to save us aiieeeeeeee!!!!". You were just straight up not on the internet that year if you're claiming other wise. Hell, outside of 4chan that's still the accepted rhetoric to this day, and is only recently being eroded solely because they're finally getting impatient, not because they think Martin is a hack.

>>214129674
>its just ai of george
>poorly made ai
newest jeet scam, give your credit card information to george rr martin, and get a personal voicemail from him!

>>214129647
In his mind I'm sure it's better than writing a critically panned final book, or even worse, a critically banned book that doesn't even finish up the series. Leaving him to either disappear in shame or write the final book knowing his work is already being seriously shat on

*Makes his pen name a copy of his idol*
I respect JRR Tolkien.. I do.. but..

>>214129695
>Diehard Gurm fans are the only ones left, yeah.
theyre losing a lot of them too. there are some really delusional ones who think winds is coming out next year, some coping ones who hope they at least get winds eventually, and the rest just making peace with it and talking about how it'd be depressing to read it at this point.

>>214129656
Bullshit, even if he lives for, lets say, another ten years and dies without delivering anything most of his fanbase will still believe he was working on book 6 until his last breath snd tragically died when he was only 2 weeks from finishing it.

Also book 6 would have been the BEST BOOK EVAH totally different from show with great twists and pay-offs

>>214129751
For the record this also applies to people who only watched the shows, because fans liked to pretend they read the books and were also excited for martins "real, not shit ending" to appear more intelligent because it was also thrown around for a long time that ASOIF was only to be enjoyed by high brow aristocrats because it has fucking politics in it, which is the most normie thing you could ever do.

>>214129527
There are massive differences though: GoT is dune but with better characters and a more populates world. In dune we only get 3 noble houses (harkonnen, atreides, corrino) with a total of like 20 characters in them all. Got has at least a 100 different noble houses all doing their own thing simultaniously throughout the books making the world feel much more alive.
However dune has more creative ideas, a broader scope behind it and a much clearer message about the human condition and shit. GoT doesnt come much further than "war bad" and "honor not always good" in feast for crows.

Honestly at this point it doesn't even matter.

Within a couple of years all his books will be fed into an AI which will produce the final book(s) and it'll be better than what he could've come up with anyway.

>>214129527
I read Dune much later than ASOIAF and was shocked at how much he copied from the first book. I don't know about the others.

>>214129558
I felt like he split Paul into Robb/Jon/Bran. Illyrio is a non-homopedo Baron, Aegon is a non-psycho Feyd, YouknownothingJonSnow was Chani etc.

>>214129527
>muh warring houses feudal politics was first done by Dune
it’s literally 99% of human history

>>214129177
Dany absolutely was gonna lose it and burn Kings Landing to the ground.
Faegon will be the motive.
The white walkers will be resolved with something other than a big battle, probably involving Jon coming back to life.
Bran will rule the kingdoms but it probably involved his fucking mind control powers and not an election.

I'd also imagine just emotionally- the show shat the bed with his broad ideas so badly that he just doesn't give a fuck about putting them on paper now. I hate thinking about the whole series now because the show is so bad, I can't imagine how shitty it feels with 20+ additional years of investment in it.

>>214129801
Souless take
We need a true return to (human made) fanfics

>>214129776
I don't doubt those people exist, but you can't extrapolate general opinion from the biggest retards you can find.
At least in my experience in threads talking about Germ, the general feeling is that he has no real intention of finishing the books, either because GoT makes him feel like nobody will like it or because he's too lazy or because he just feels like it's too hard

>>214129721
He ruined it for hack writers inspired by Martin himself who tease amazing future storylines in book 1 akin to Others and Dany & her dragons invading, but got no idea how to actually pull this off. At least Martin could write compelling main ongoing storyline about War of 5 Kings in books 1-3, but less talanted authors could only do constant sequel hooks and vague foreshadowing like endless MCU post-credits scene

>>214129801
you are a complete brainlet. All current chat models have piqued and produce the same output which is is distinguishable from any sort of variable it gives it. And ittl only get worse with midwits like you starting prompts with 'big booba please' the quality is determined by the mass of people validating it's garbage outputs and will only decline unless actual, real, artificial intelligence hits and not some electricity sucker that *nibbles ur ear*

>>214129296
Finest cultivation manhuas, junior

>>214129815
>the show shat the bed with his broad ideas so badly that he just doesn't give a fuck about putting them on paper now
That's what I think. It's a little sad, but he had years from the start of the show to finish writing his books.
The show would have been better off and we would have gotten to see how he really intended his stories to terminate, in his own words.
Instead he got lazy and now he's stuck and too afraid of failure and comfy with his money to dig himself out

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>>214129277
There wasn't a single problem with the shows writing.

Young women identified with Dani, instead of Arya like they were supposed to, because they're shallow.

If dragon girl boss had won it would have been called the GOAT.

An incredibly cynical realpolitik show was never going to end with a moralfag mary sue winning. THAT would have been bad writing.

>>214129858
Ok, chuddite

>>214129889
>that would have been bad writing
Anon, is it truly bad writing if everyone claps?

>>214129889
Correct. Basically the audiance said they want Martin to wokify his gritty political realism and have Mrs. Abrahima Lincoln win and live happily ever after and Martin is saying:
>"ok, fuck you, not doing that but also not dealing with being cancelled at 80, so I just won't write it then."

based of him frankly.

>>214129570
Preston wanting to discuss deep topics but getting completely stonewalled by George who only wants to talk about pizza is so funny

>>214129889
>>214129960
HOWEVER the only reason the audiences felt that way was because the crayon cartel cut or downplayed every instance of stupid naiveté and instability Dany was supposed to have.
No shit people are going to feel rug pulled if what was supposed to be the culmination of 8 series gets speedrun in one

>>214129277
The first two or three books are enjoyable, after that they start to meander a bit.

>>214129889
The very cynical realpolitik show ending with "and then everyone came together and just fought the ice zombies till the good guys won" did feel very cheap though, No way George is going for that ending cause thats what's been done a million times already in every fantasy story ever.

"Dany turns into dragon hitler" was a good idea and will probably have the right build up in the books (if they ever come out lol) you can already tell she's going a bit nuts in Dance and 'targs = genocidal subhumans' is a running theme in westerosi history

>>214130012
He loves characters and the world too much to let Others just kill everyone and they must be stopped fast because they could ressurect the dead

>>214129993
It was perfectly clear what was going to happen. I knew and I never read the books. Being a /his/let is no excuse for dumb millennial women.

The people who were bitching about "writing" turned off GoT and then opened the next episode of Love Island.

They were never the intended audience and they didn't have the context to understand it or what it was trying to do, they just happened to be on the same couch as people who did. But they're also the ones who shill shit on social media the most. After that, it just snowballed, and most people are herd animals.

>>214129570
PJ is that buttmad fan that actually thinks he knows better than the author.
It doesn't even make sense for PJ to think he knows better than Ellio and Linda.
But he's not the only one that verges on this type of shit, just the most egregious.

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yo they got maise on cameo too

>>214129296
all the collected works with Sherlock Holmes

>>214130012
Anon, it's not Citizen Kane.
But it's not "bad" either.
Danny got the treatment of being Lawrene of Arabia, which has plenty of REAL precedent in popular leaders like Mao or Caesar - far more than a Mary Sue like her deserved.

That is why "people" (vapid women who wanted princess to slay kween!) were mad. That's the origin of the meme hatred for the ending. Everyone else bitching is just a 80 IQ signal repeating drone who disliked it because, like, everyone says so!

>>214129177
>GoT S8 was the basic arc his stories would take and now he's too scared to actually write them after the show

Why do people say this?

He wasn't writing the books before the series started either.

how is cameo still a thing when there's high fidelity AI now?

>>214129215
>>214129277
Can you guys recommend a good grand fantasy series? Dune and Sanderson's works are horrible btw, and don't come at me with some boring boomer shit like Wheel of Time

>>214129277
A Dance with Dragons came out when the series became a hit and it was so bad I couldn't believe it dude... that fucking meandering plot full of literal shit about nobodies is actually insane.

>>214130200
I don't understand how Dany is anything Like Mao or Caesar. Dany never led troops at all. I don't even think Dany's trek to Q'arth is comparable to the Long March with escaping nationalist forces or fighting delaying actions.

>>214130234
I like the Malazan books by Erikson.

>>214129972
It cracks me up every time I think about it too. Always got this weird voice in my head for george too whenever he responds to some deep question from preston with asking him to pass the carrots or asking him if he wants some chicken, its always funny
>>214130093
George must have forgotten some obscure shit or didnt want to talk about it at the dinner and it just mindbroke him and hes now convinced hes the only one who understands it, but he's also completely bitter about the series since its all but certain to be left unfinished, and hes dedicated decades of his life to it. Like 2 decades worth of literary blue balls.

>>214129843
even if their stories were shit at least they'd presumably finish them. Its like with sanderson. Everyone loves to talk about how hes not as good as george, but at least he actually finishes his series.

>>214129889
>show leaves the sweaty nerd basement and gains mainstream popularity thanks to young white women
>Daenerys is white savior girlboss princess
>this is literally how every white woman sees themselves
>make white savior girlboss princess lose/evil
>be surprised when girls who made your show popular chimp

No one to blame but themselves

>>214129889
a lot of the narrative conclusions were retarded and depressing, like jaime and cersei, and meera and jojen. and the north with sansa. But I did expect this ever since reading a bit of fire and blood and realizing george wrote in a cuck subplot where aegons kids might not be his and rhaenyra cucked him with some dancing boys, and his only trueborn child was maegor, which would tell you everything you need to know about george as an author. Even the supposed legendary dragon ancestor can't just be great, he has to be pseudo cucked and left in the air, because of course it has to be unsatisfying and depressing.

>>214129889
>>214130313
remember when they all started naming their kids khaleesi?

>>214130313
>No one to blame but themselves


It's not D&D's fault, that's Gurm's ending, they just used his notes.

They should have told Gurm to go fuck himself and had Dany end the series as girlboss mary sue. The normies would have been a bit disappointed at the rest of the series (shitty ending with white walkers,etc) but would have otherwise went along with it.

>>214130295
I stopped watching him a long time ago, but only recently got back to ASOIF universe during HOTD.
I was so baffled that he started this project where he's "Finishing the books" and I just physically cringed.
I could understand, starting your own novel, out of spite to prove that you're better, I'm all for that. But why the fuck would you do something to "help" finish a book series for a supposedly ungrateful author that's still alive and still writing lol. It's just pathetic and full on obsessed fan territory.

>>214130234
I get recommended Gormenghast a lot.

>>214130209
>He wasn't writing the books before the series started either.
No, but the general thinking is that he provided rough notes to the show runners on how the story should end. He obviously couldn't have predicted that Dickhead and Dimwit would rush the entire ending because they thought they could do better with Star Wars.

>>214130385
As much as he's seething about george and insists asoiaf isn't actually that great, he's still obsessed with it. remember, he put around 20 years into this series. Ironically enough, prestons ending might be the only novel ending for asoiaf we'll end up having.

>>214130354
Jaime and Cercei story in books will be very different because Jaime clearly gave up on her by the end of book 5 and It looks like show Cercei got book Faegon plot of ruling KL

>>214130385
I'm pretty sure Preston Jacobs has OCD and the only reason he's obsessed with the series is because it's not finished.

Being denied an ending is like being denied the ability to turn a light switch on and off an even amount of times to an OCDer, it will drive them insane.

>>214130429
Even if they went for 20 seasons fatass still wouldn't be done with Winds

>>214130429
ive seen a lot of novel fans cope that it'll be good if george does it since he knows better, but I really doubt it. I dont see how you make jaime reverting his entire character arc and returning to cersei good, or bran being a sentient tree person ruling with a magical surveillance state good, its just a very depressing bad ending. I also believe its georges ending, it seems just like something george would do to have it be depressing as fuck, to have the throne destroyed and its replacement being an elective government similar to the HRE, which solves nothing, and he'll just end up as the magical tree version of like the habsburgs.

>>214130452
>Even if they went for 20 seasons fatass still wouldn't be done with Winds
No, probably not. But the point is that he's had plenty of time to do it, even when the show had just started. He just won't (or can't)

>>214130443
I fully expect that to be jaime and cerseis ending. It sounds exactly like something he'd do, its completely subversive
>the prophecy says she'll be killed by her brother
>oh wait, it says she'll die when the valonqar wraps his hands about her pale white throat
>that means he's choking her!
>oh its because jaime hugged her and wrapped his arms/hand(s) around her neck when a building collapsed on them
It sounds exactly like the type of shit george would want to pull

>>214129570
>george stole most of his ideas and events of what happens in the series from a friends series
idk what series the anon's post was talking about but recently i picked up tad williamson's memory, sorrow and thorn series and it does have some suspiciously similar story beats.

that said it's fucking torture to read, talk about amateur hour prose and artificially delayed payoff. i gave up on it. it's abysmal. it was as painful to read as books 4&5 from grrum's series. i read until about midway into book two, that would be around 1000 pages.

i'm conflicted about the whole thing. on the one hand, tad williams finished his series so he deserves more respect than grrm. on the other hand, i couldn't finish tad williams' series because it was so awful. so on the one hand we have an author who finished his series but the reader (me) was so bored he couldn't make it till the end, on the other hand, grrm didn't finish his series but the reader enjoyed the work enough that he wanted it to be finished.

>>214130473
> I dont see how you make jaime reverting his entire character arc and returning to cersei good,

Yeah but in retrospect, Gurm, subversion master, would totally pull this bullshit to be "shocking".

>Oh you thought Jaime had redeemed himself? Akshually he's his sister's pussy slave forever! Hee Hee, gotcha losers!

>>214130524
its shit like this that might turn me around on prestons ending, at least you probably wont have completely reverted character arc jaime for that bad pussy.

>>214130473
I'm at the point where I think the only reason George hasn't done it is because GoT gave him feedback on the terminus of his story arcs being shit and he doesn't know any other way to re write them. Or he feels like re writing them would be giving in to the bad reactions and spitefully chooses to just never finish the books

>>214130521
I should have saved it as a screencap, but I didn't which I regret now because its not the first time i've mentioned it.

>>214130547
>Or he feels like re writing them would be giving in to the bad reactions and spitefully chooses to just never finish the books
This wouldn't surprise me, he seems like the type to hold a grudge. Even now he shits on rowling for beating him in an award ceremony.

>>214130524
>Gurm, subversion master, would totally pull this bullshit to be "shocking".
There's a fine line between a story beat being predictable and being subversive for the sake of it. If everything plays out like you would logically expect it becomes boring, but if there isn't sufficient justification for for a twist or there are just so many twists that you begin to expect them it becomes convoluted and trite in it's own way.
I don't really envy Gurm at this point

>>214130547
>>214129562
Cope. The real reason is that he's old and rich now and doesn't want to spend what little time he has left sitting at a computer. The show made him obscenely rich and he just stopped caring. Simple as

>>214130742
I literally had "riding the gravy train" as one of my 3 theories, retard.

>>214130742
I think you're coping, bud. I've got my ear to the ground and the Wussies of Winter is just on the brink and you're going to have to eat your words

>>214130761
I didn't read your whole post retard

>>214131142
Read before you "cope" reply next time, retard. We both agree Martins a hack. Simple as.

>>214130093
>PJ is that buttmad fan that actually thinks he knows better than the author.
>It doesn't even make sense for PJ to think he knows better than Ellio and Linda.
After feast and dance why wouldn't he think he knows better? Plus, one day grrm might be forced to realize that the only ending to his story that will exist will be fanfiction, and he absolutely hates fanfiction. PJ is an obsessed AIDSglowie but he making grrm seethe through a positive creative outlet and I like that.

>>214131290
>PJ is an obsessed AIDSglowie

What's with glownaggers and game of thrones? Jack Posobiec used to have an entire twitter account dedicated to complaining about the show.

Can I get any good book recommendations in this thread? I'm a truck driver so audiobooks help the time go by

>>214129570
he based the war of the 5 kings on the real life war of the roses - instead of starks vs lannisters, the real life war was between the yorks and the lancasters. there was even a wedding where one side betrayed the other and murdered a bunch of the rival family.

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i love these group therapy sessions where you guys sit around and vent your anger at GRRM's slow pace by saying you actually hate the books and they were never good, as if you won't be first in line when Winds releases. it's all very cute

who is he actually making money for? he has no children. its very odd.

>>214131688
i haven't read the books at all, beyond my highschool years, 15 years ago. i've never personally been a fan of them, but i like the setting and a lot of the characters. i just watch youtubers talk about theories a lot. and i play ck3 with the agot mod and make up my own stories.

>>214129215
>read a real book
>>214129277
>slop
Peruse an actual work of consequence, if you possess any inclination toward intellectual advancement.
>b-but it's just harry potter!
A Song of Ice and Fire serves adults as Harry Potter served juveniles, a cultural vector that summoned a new cohort of readers while reshaping narrative expectations. With deliberate, unflinching artistry, Martin inaugurated a school of fiction that privileges verisimilitude, moral ambiguity, and the unsettling truth that protagonists, like real people, may be felled by circumstance rather than preserved for sentimental posterity. Dismissing this as mere “grit” betrays a failure to grasp its sustained interrogation of power and consequence.
>b-but muh Tolkien
Where Tolkien erected an elegant, pastoral myth, comforting in its moral architecture, Martin dismantles the altar of invulnerability. Tolkien’s philological erudition produces a consolatory myth; Martin prefers moral discomfort, demanding attention and punishing facile sentimentality. This is not mere taste: it is a tectonic shift in what fantasy may aspire to be. It rewards rigorous attention and refuses easy consolation
>slop
If you deride ASoIaF as “slop,” you reveal more about your appetite for consolation than about the work itself. Martin’s saga is a major contribution to contemporary storytelling, expansive meticulous and unabashedly adult. Educate yourself before you posture.

>>214130261
>>214130389
Ty for the recc's

CAM ON GEORGE
*BANG-BANG*
WRITE SAM FOCKIN BOOKS

>>214131171
I agree with you retard, I will do better next time

>>214129296
Blood Meridian.

>>214129059
He is rewriting the story to make Stannis win since he realized it would be way more interesting than whatever anime bullshit he was cooking up with Jon

>>214129059
It's never coming out. He's 100% rewriting the whole thing after seeing his "clever" plot twists bomb horribly on the show.