>>214135255
Really? I feel like the aesthetic is still interesting and kino. The violence and subject matter still interesting and kino. It's an iconic memorable movie. What more do you want?

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>>214135255
If Reddit was a movie

>>214135663
Extremely low IQ take. Either that or you haven't actually seen the movie.

>>214135702
It’s safe edgy and unique enough to make normies think it’s some sort of grand artistic expression. It’s a good movie but it’s the definition of what a redditor thinks is kino.

The nadsat russiaboo shit is extremely cringe.

>>214135702
>>214135595
>Bad acting
>Bad pacing
>Ridiculous costume and design
>Ridiculously acted rape scenes.
>No storyline.
>No conclusion.
The main character having iconic eye makeup and clothing (which look out of place given the movie’s context) and drinking milk (again, which has no contribution to the plot but just looks aesthetically good) is not enough to make it a good movie. You need to be either a boomer or a redditor to actually enjoy it.

>>214135255
I enjoyed it a bit more than the book.
They're both pretty shit desu.

>>214136109
Is it true that the book is nearly incomprehensible because of the slang they speak?

>>214135255
The movie cut out the actual real ending from the book which makes it significantly shittier.

In the book, he gets cured and returns to committing sadistic crimes, but then he WILLINGLY chooses to stop, to reform out of his own free will, instead of being brainwashed.

>>214136129
NTA but the copy i read had a glossary on the back and a lot of times i had to go back and forth to understand bits
Still think it is a fun book, a light read

>>214136004
You forgot
>bad direction
>bad world building
>unlikeable characters (not even the victims of the MC are likeable)
How the fuck could Kubrick make this shit.

>>214136189
His motivation to make this movie instead of another epic was to have a rather low budget and low effort movie after 2001 to just make so extra cash until his next project. That's why it doesn't even feel like a Kubrick movie.

>>214136168
Kubrick realized the story worked better with a pessimistic outlook.

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>>214135255
This movie probably has the worst future design I have ever seen. They simply copied ugly art design from the late 60s and applied it to every single room in the movie.

>not a single time-telling citrus in the whole movie
trash

>>214135255
One of the best satires ever and one of the funniest films ever. The depth and subtlety of the humour is incredible. Every aspect of modern life in the UK exists in this film. This is in top of how gorgeously shot it is. Gorgeousness and gorgeosity made flesh

Name a better reddit indicator than this movie.

>>214136168
He just realizes one day that assault, rape and robbery are childish and that he doesn't feel like doing them anymore.
It was pretty retarded and I had no idea what the author wanted to convey with the story. I didn't pity Alex in the slightest when he was "mistreated" and I didn't care about any of the other characters either.

>>214137435
Also he rapes the two girls he picked up in the record shop and they're about 11 or 12 in the book

>>214135595
The aesthetics are very good and so is the acting, but the story had no sense. I heard the book is even more convulted. I'm not a plotfag so I don't mind.

ARE YOU NOW

>>214137507
Yeah. I didn't really understand why I was supposed to care when he was defenceless and everyone took it out on him. He had it coming.

OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEEEN

>>214136004
>The main character having iconic eye makeup and clothing and drinking milk is not enough to make it a good movie
That's where you're wrong.

>>214137639
A HUHMUHSUXSHALL

>>214135255
I now view it as a teen porno directed by Kubrick. Everything about it is Garish.

>>214136004
>>Bad acting
Wrong
>>Bad pacing
Correct
>>Ridiculous costume and design
Wrong
>>Ridiculously acted rape scenes.
Makes it unique
>>No storyline.
Half right, its a character study movie
>>No conclusion
Wrong

I love kubrick, its not one of his best but even sub par Kubrick is miles ahead of the rest of hollywood. The wanton violence and brain washing scene are still iconic af in terms of cinema history

>>214136271
>That's why it doesn't even feel like a Kubrick movie.

Parts of it feel very shining or 2001 like. I can tell its a kubrick movie

>>214138040
Yeah who knows what he's on about, ACO is more or less Kubrick nailing the style down that he would rely on for the rest of his career.

My Dad forced me to watch it because he thought I was a dumb hillbilly kid and ignorant and didn't know anything. I don't care about your "culture films", Dad. Let me watch my Japanese cartoons in peace.

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>>214135255
this one is better

>>214137583
>why I was supposed to care
i'm afraid you have womanbrain

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>>214135255
Moloko?

>>214137507
Looks consensual to me.

>>214135255
the movie isn't about the plot, it's about conditioning you. also something about world war 2 smoke and mirrors stuff, specifically the scene at the start of the film that takes place on a literal stage. everything in the film is about the classical and operant conditioning of the VIEWER
>t. rob ager

>>214139943
He means in the book. And he doesnt really raped them. Just injected himself with some aphrodisiac and fucked them well after they were tired but those two brats went there willingly. And even then hes also a teenager about 15 or 16 years old. Not much difference

>>214138276
Boomer "kino" is even more degenerate than the Japanese shit.

>>214138316
>Not 'A Cockwork Orange'

>>214137435
>He just realizes one day that assault, rape and robbery are childish and that he doesn't feel like doing them anymore.
>It was pretty retarded and I had no idea what the author wanted to convey with the story.
Holy shit this generation does not know how to analyze theme whatsoever

It was extremely obvious and basic: the state can't force anyone to change their mind with punishment or re education therapy or anything forced, the only way people ever change is from within. morality is fundamentally inseparable from free will and a maturing process. communist regimes and behaviorism in psychology in 1962 had the world convinced the right skinner conditioning nudges would solve criminality, the whole story is about why that's entirely the wrong paradigm by which to gauge the hearts of men

>>214140809
Which is a retarded postmodernist message. In reality, no one wakes up one day and decides to stop being evil for no reason whatsoever. The real dichotomy here is either killing criminals, thus eliminating the problem, or pacifying them by other means, which also fixes the problem. Bringing the question of free will into the well-being of murderers and rapists is not clever in the slightest. The goal of the criminal system is(was) ensuring the well being of the society, not the criminals.

>>214138316
/thread :D

>>214135814
>The nadsat russiaboo shit is extremely cringe.
Idk they kind of predicted the rise of Russophilia unintentionally, there's a ton of retarded, edgelord Russiaboos in my gen.
>>214137435
>It was pretty retarded and I had no idea what the author wanted to convey with the story.
If you knew anything about gangs irl this always happens to them if they don't die or get sent to prison.
>t. Dad was a skinhead in the 90s

>>214141061
Alex is a psychopathic murderer and a rapist. It's not comparable to your father who larped as a skinhead for a while to look cool.

>>214135255
I don't agree, I think the film's bizarre tone made it more like a dark comedy by today's standards. That's not necessarily a bad thing

>>214141108
>father who larped as a skinhead for a while
He was not a larper in any meaning of the word. He grew up in a shitty, violent part of West Phoenix and founded a local gang in the early 1990s. By the time American History X came out he was done with it, and funny enough the emergence of the very Millennial larpers you're describing that came around to it after American History X are a big reason he snapped out of it and realized it was nothing more than niggerish thuggery.
He still has all his tattoos (thankfully he wasn't retarded enough to go all the way with 3rd reich stuff, it's all RAC and gang tattoos).

Sometimes a thread comes along and reminds you how dumb your fellow posters are here on /tv/.
>>214136168
This opinion is repeated so often, and it's so empty. Like, so what? Kubrick's film is more cynical. It changes the meaning of the story, but Kubrick has his own take on the material.
>>214136326
You are braindead. It's a satire.
>>214141272
>more like a dark comedy by today's standards
Almost as if it is a comedy. Which it is.

>>214142529
>It changes the meaning of the story
This is actually a popular misconception. The reason the ending is different is because the early American versions of the book did not have the ending until 1986, not because Kubrick changed anything.

>>214138316
I've actually seen this one, or another

gangster #1 feels like the sequel to this

>>214143127 (me)

https://youtu.be/GHH7Mm6xviE

>>214139987
based me poster

The dialogue flows like a gentle breeze though. It was very nice. Makes sense the author was a linguist.

>>214140229
Good morning saar

>>214140947
it's not "postmodernist" you dummy, it's just catholic. burgess was raised catholic. it's not enough to just kill or restrain criminals if your goal is to save their souls, they need to find their way to honest remorse.

It's one of the top 20 films ever made, retard.

>>214135255
>really aged like moloko.
it's actually incredibly relevant today, cleaning up crime is literally a hot button issue in every western nation

Please give examples of how it aged badly you fucking zoomer faggot.

>>214135255
Well, sir, fuck you.
This film is an exact spot on commentary on adolescent violence. And book is more so.
See, our Russian 90s were a clockwork orange times ten and nationwide.
Now I see former Alexes from my generation wherever I go, but mostly on fucking children playgrounds, happily watching their kids.
The book's ending is so spot on, it is uncanny. It is an ending for my entire generation.

>>214144058
>The book's ending is so spot on, it is uncanny. It is an ending for my entire generation.
It was bad and I"m glad Kubrick left it out
>those Brit boys that raped and murdered at 15 dindunuffin and will grow out of it by their early 20s
Fuck that.

>>214144080
>Fuck that.
Yes, they will. This is the hard, stubborn truth.
Horrible shit someone did or suffered in those years is formative. It molds a man towards stability in later years, if nothing else.
It may not be cinematographic, but it is what it is.

>>214143731
>cleaning up crime is literally a hot button issue in every western nation
Yeah but crime in the modern West isn't a White problem with no other factors, stuff like Camp of the Saints or Submission are more relevant in that regard

>>214141061
>there's a ton of retarded, edgelord Russiaboos in my gen
Yeah like the tranny that shot up the school a few days ago

>>214144168
>Yes, they will. This is the hard, stubborn truth.
Yeah, a rapist and murder will just stop raping and murdering at a certain age. Retard.
>Horrible shit someone did or suffered in those years is formative. It molds a man towards stability in later years, if nothing else.
This is some real libtard dindunuffin nonsense. kys faggot. There's a reason why most criminals are in and out of jail most of their lives.

>>214144286
>Yeah, a rapist and murder will just stop raping and murdering at a certain age.
War and the nature of gang culture proves that is often the case.
>There's a reason why most criminals are in and out of jail most of their lives.
So your solution is just totalitarianism? Yeah, that totally did wonders to stop criminality in the USSR/Russia lol, that country is such a bastion of decency.

>>214141061
>there's a ton of retarded, edgelord Russiaboos in my gen.
It really gets me every time.
But, well, good for them.
>>214144243
>Yeah like the tranny that shot up the school a few days ago
Now that I can't wrap my head around.
In Russia being a tranny is literally the worst thing a man could be. It is worse than being a fag.
Tranny being a russophile is like a rabbi working as butcher on a pig farm.

>>214144348
>War and the nature of gang culture proves that is often the case.
War is done out of necessity, not desire. And most gang members don't last long enough or like war they do it out of necessity for survival. Alex and his crew were just raping and killing just because.
>So your solution is just totalitarianism?
Punish criminals you fucking libtard kike. Obey the laws of decent society and there is no problem.
>Yeah, that totally did wonders to stop criminality in the USSR/Russia lol, that country is such a bastion of decency.
I'm not versed enough to know about that. But they were a commie shithole until the late 80s, then they just acted like retards after that.

>>214144286
>There's a reason why most criminals are in and out of jail most of their lives.
The reason is exactly being in an out since teenage years.
Imagine every teenager being prosecuted for their obvious rap sheet - i.e. hooliganism, possession, property damage, questionable consent acquisition, petty theft and the rest?
We would be left with either dickless pussies or career criminals.

>>214135255
Clockwork is so Kino it kills all history of Kino before and since. Nobody even knows where to start to make another movie like this one is. We just have to appreciate other mad geniuses for trying.

>aged

Just throw the things you like in the garbage now, they will all age in time and you will be a Boomer before you know it

>>214135776
how the fuck is this 1971 movie safe edgy? it was extremely shocking for its time

>>214144498
>The reason is exactly being in an out since teenage years.
Ok faggot. "I killed someone when I was 15, spent time in jail, then killed someone again when I got out because DA SYSTEM!" Retard.
> - i.e. hooliganism, possession, property damage,
These are all minor offenses. We are talking about this movie in which Alex and his Droogs sought people out to rape and murder them.

The dumbest part of this movie was the Three Stooges-esque punishment conga line Alex endures after getting out of jail

>>214136326
based retard

>>214144348
>Yeah, that totally did wonders to stop criminality in the USSR/Russia lol, that country is such a bastion of decency.
Weeeellll, first part is true, it led to 90s.
But nowadays Russia is so safe and boring as it has never been in ages.

>>214138020
>No conclusion
>Wrong
They literally skipped the last chapter of the book, anon. The entire point of The Clockwork Orange was in that chapter.

>>214143568
>if your goal is to save their souls
It isn't.

>>214135776
Safe edgy? I'd say it's edgier than most films that show hardcore and visceral violence. Films that do that are reddit for the same reason people use to brag about how Kill Bill vol.1 had the highest death count in an American film at the time. It's all about the senselessness that makes it reddit, like A24.

Clockwork makes makes the most graphic scenes into a sort of ballet, and calls it Ultra-violence. You can do a double feature of Fantasia and Clockwork back to back, and it's would somehow be appropriate. Violence is something we all watch and have to pretend to squirm and hate, but deep down in we live vicariously through Alex and the Droogs, while recognizing it to be awful and degernate behavior. Kubrick entertained the audience, showed them what they really want when they go to the movie, not turn them off. It's the Anti-violence way of saying "Hey kids, do you like Violence?" as Eminem would later put it. Because violence as a past time is something humans normally enjoyed before we became oversocialized by society. Hunting, killing, pillaging, defending, were things you could expect in our former primitive existence. So it's never left us.

We don't start wars because we have to, because politics are so complicated. We start them because we want to, our latent desires drive us to.

>>214135663
>>214135776
Bro I masturbated to the brutal rape scenes, what do you mean it's "safe edgy"

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The movie is good and the book is great. It's a shame novellas never get published because 50-70k words is the perfect length for a story imo

>>214140947
His old friends becoming cops and beating him up is what does it I think, even though that's part of a long series of misfortunes. He realizes the camaraderie and freedom of that life was just low IQ people relying on him to get them drugs, and that once they don't need him anymore he's the victim instead of the leader.

>>214140947
That's bullshit and doesn't work. Not that the "free will" bullshit works either. People work through incentive structures and opportunity. Essentially people do a cost-analysis of if it's worth to commit a crime. If you raise the cost of committing the crime and lower the potential rewards, there will be less criminality.

Crime is a marketplace. Every "purchaser" of a crime looks at the price of committing the crime in terms of punishment and prison time * the chance to get caught and prosecuted - the benefit of committing the crime.

A dude whose whore wife just cheated on him might decide in the moment that the price of 5 years in prison for "temporary insanity manslaughter" is worth the purchase and thus kills his wife.

Or an incel decides raping cunny in his basement might be worth the potential death penalty compared to staying a virgin.

>>214144534
He/she is the definition of edgy, unbeknowningly

>>214135255
its kino and will stick with you

>>214144428
>War is done out of necessity, not desire
And yet most people that rape and kill extensively during war do not rape and kill on the same level in peacetime though they do see higher but varying rates of those things compared to others. Japan, Vietnam, South Korea, and Germany are the most obvious examples of this.
>Punish criminals you fucking libtard kike
I denounce the talmud, free Palestine, Christ is King etc.
>punish criminals
For sure, but there's absolutely a difference when it comes to circumstances and behavior for people doing certain crimes, and you need to make that clear. Some people really are just mentally ill and a danger to society and themselves to the point of either needing a Salvadorean megaprison or a short drop, but others need rehabilitation and a way out as much as they do punishment. Jason Vukovich is a great example.

>>214145019
>Essentially people do a cost-analysis of if it's worth to commit a crime.
You are so fucking retarded. Most criminals are low IQ you fucking faggot or they have low impulse control and don't think about consequences.
kys you fucking libtard kike

>>214145175
>And yet most people that rape and kill extensively during war do not rape and kill on the same level in peacetime though they do see higher but varying rates of those things compared to others. Japan, Vietnam, South Korea, and Germany are the most obvious examples of this.
Again, they do this because of the extreme situation they are put in. Criminals on the street are not i fucking warzones.
>I denounce the talmud, free Palestine, Christ is King etc.
Sure thing you larping faggot "I love Christ, but yeah, the kikes that killed him dindunuffin just like the criminals of today!"
>For sure, but there's absolutely a difference when it comes to circumstances and behavior for people doing certain crimes, and you need to make that clear.
We are talking about the rape and murder in THIS MOVIE you fucking tardo. The murder wasn't in self defense, the rape wasn't in a fucking war zone where you haven't seen a woman in 2 years, it was just teenagers going to houses looking to kill and rape.

>>214140947
This isn't about invading muslims or blacks disturbing the host natural order in the community. This is about a Host culture breeding a generation of violent children who are disturbing that order. The question of free will isn't a matter of giving a rapist-murder rights. The film explores facist takeovers (like Palantir) that tries to castrate the civilians labido and mind so that it's not only crime that is kept under control but all of society can be run this way.

Alex is one of many teenagers running rampant in the street commiting violence, he isn't the only gang doing this, it's the trend among his youth. And the story posits that violence and desire to do so come from the same place that creativity, innovation, and acts of good come from. It's a persons freedom and ability to excercise and act out on their desire that brings us the variety of good and evil deeds done by man. It doesn't come from total control by a system.

>>214145258
>they do this because of the extreme situation they are put in.
There's no shortage of people that rape and commit atrocities out of enjoyment in war, especially in those 20th century conflicts I mentioned. Japan is arguably the most extreme historical example of that, and yet they did not have a serious rape or crime crisis in the early postwar era.
>criminals on the street are not i fucking warzones.
Russia and Ukraine would like to have a word, along with pretty much every penal unit in the history of mankind.
>the kikes that killed him dindunuffin
They killed him, and no they are not like the criminals of today. Many criminals are absoutely demonic, but many are Saul before Paul that are a victim of cirumstance, much like those in war like you mentioned.
>it was just teenagers going to houses looking to kill and rape
But why do they rape and kill, and what should be done about it? That's the question and quandry of this book, which if you actually read has an ending that you would result in you writing the whole thing off as libtard kikery nonsense because you're not an actual Christian and a larping Groyper yourself.