That haircut

He thought he was two people?

>>214138917
well since hes a delusion, the actual character that he represents is a crazy person who lets his delusions get out of control and becomes a schizophrenic dog chasing cars rather than someone that thoroughly thinks things through and is in control

>>214138917
hurr durr ....blowing up the head quarters of the credit companies will erase all debt.

>>214138948
Tyler Durden was aware he was in Ed Nortons head though

>>214138936
Are you upset that your afro cant do that?

>>214138917
Tyler Durden is entirely carried by Brad Pitt's looks and charisma, but the character itself is pathetic. He is essentially mentally broken to the point where he has to cope with nihilism, petty acts of vandalism and eventually a terrorist attack that won't really accomplish anything. He is undoubtedly a masculine juxtaposition to the Narrator, but all his masculine energy was channeled into just destroying shit. It's like the edgy adolescent idea of masculinity where your manliness is determined by a combination of how violent you can be and how many women you can get. He completely and utterly fails at displaying positive forms of masculinity, i.e genuine leadership qualities. The Narrator even says that Fight Club fixes fuck all about their lives, nothing changes, they're just periodically violent for the sake of being violent instead of actually doing hard things to meaningfully improve their lives.

>>214139190
I can't figure out how to upboat your post!
Have white men taken the upboat button away from POCs and women?
How can I be an ally to you, friend from everybody's favorite website?

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>>214138936
Yeah, terrible hair cut.

>>214138917
Anprim is a cringe ideology for cringe people

>>214139190
if you judge the system within which you find yourself living to be fundamentally hostile to you then your goal will straightforwardly be the destruction of that system, not "improving your life" within it. the idiotic thing would be to cooperate with your torturers. he is exceedingly effective as a leader of men in this context, constructing a domestic terror organization from nothing and using it to accomplish his goal.
>b-but he should have been concerned with "displaying positive masculinity"
his masculinity lies exactly in not caring about what he "displays." you on the other hand suffer from womanbrain. "but what will the neighbors think?"

>>214138999
He knew it would be a symbolic act. Norton Tyler represents the current world order. Him shooting himself (and surviving) is directly analogous to the buildings being destroyed (yet the debt structure remains as it's not contained in the buildings..)

>>214139437
His goal was completely ineffective and you are making a mountain out of a molehill if you think the society they live in are akin to torturers to them. There is a reasonable middle ground between the Narrator trying to fill the void in his life with consumerism and acts of kidnapping, vandalism and eventually terrorism. Tyler has no plan whatsoever to improve anything, like an overemotional adolescent he only wants to lash out and destroy. He has the ears and hearts of so many broken men and he does nothing to help them, he only brings them down to his level.

>>214138917
Like... everything? He's a nihilistic faggot.

>>214138917
>Brand yourself with a hot poker or you're a pussy
What?

>>214138917
"Single-serving friends." Treating all the people you meet as friends is retarded.

including Bob

he made the same mistake as Hitler and was way too inclusive of losers in the building movement phase. Bob was like an Ernst Röhn who would have only ended up being a liability

>>214138917
Risk killing/injuring the Sons of God;
Disrespect/destruction of public and private property
Stealing

>>214139451
Tyler didn't know all that metaphor bullshit as he was just a character in said story and as a character that was dumb... so as pedantic as my point is, it still stands.

>>214139293
its a reasonable critique though, its addressing that even our ideas of masculine solutions or whatever. guerilla terrorism, are not going to be that significant to change things. so much as boring stuff like, running for politics, fixing a local economic trade system that doesnt pay taxes. "indoctrinating" people into a more realistic, wholesome, down to earth view of life and living, to escape the doomer terminally online pit of despair

so when he says "its a redditor trying to imagine what it would be like to be a cool problem solver" his only response is dumb explosions and shit like a movie.
whereas someone that was actually based and redpilled, the cool version of tyler who was actually effective. they would be doing the boring stuff i described.

>>214138917
he was 100% wrong about food tampering
I legit think anyone that fucks with food (and drinks) deserves the death penalty, not joking

>>214139740
This guy has DEFINITELY had the cream of mushroom soup before.

>>214138936
>caring about haircuts
Black american moment

>>214139437
this

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>>214138917

Blowing up the headquarters of credit card companies wouldn't actually erase debt because they all keep redundant copies of their records. Even if they didn't, they could still rebuild those records with a relatively high degree of accuracy since local branches also keep their own transactional records (including loans).

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>>214139790
If I were a judge I'd strictly go after food criminals. No Iso-cubes, only death.

>>214139551
again, womanbrain. your demand for "plans," proofs of "effectiveness" and so on are cope for the inability to act. tyler durden should have just sat there and theoretically debated how the world could be changed until he died, like you. he didn't because he was a man, and therefore he acted against what was hurting him instead of talking about it. you will never get it because you priories agreeableness, as/like a woman.

>>214139909
based

>>214138999
There was a time when it would.

>>214139909
truth nuke

>>214138999
wouldn't it back then? wasn't that the worry about y2k if all the computers fucked up?

>>214138936
That was THE haircut in the early 2000s

>>214140005
>>214139986
by the Mid- 90s all those companies def had data centers offsite

>>214140005
even back then they had backups of the data

>>214139712
Anon the entire system collectively shat itself because a few dozen old people took a self-guided tour of a public building.

The entire media machine created an entirely new “political” environment because people spent some time on wallstreet

>>214139909
I don't know if you're illiterate or if you're just disingenuous. You're arguing against shit I've never ever said. What I'm saying is that masculine or not, he's a negative force that only destroys things without presenting an alternative. Destroying shit is easy, building shit is hard. He could be a positive masculine force that offer these lost men productive and healthy ways to find joy and meaning in life, but he doesn't, because he only knows how to lash out.

>>214140059
>Destroying shit is easy, building shit is hard.
A lot of people who are complete morons don't understand this at all. Explains the current political situation in the U.S.

>>214140059
>youre arguing against things i didn’t say, now listen to me say them

>>214140162
Where did I say that Tyler should've passively sat and debated and theoretical ways to change the world until he died?

>>214140200
you didn't say that, you're doing it

>>214140059
he has no reason to be
>positive
>productive
>healthy
>constructive
>etc
with regards to a system he deems hostile to himself. you do not need to "present an alternative" to your slaveowner. you should just stab him in the heart.

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How did some random gay guy in the 90's predict the future so accurately?

>>214140059
>>214140276
in other words, you are demanding that he only oppose a system in ways that very system finds acceptable, ie only in ways that will not work. if you don't like the communist party, comrade, just write a strongly worded letter to stalin with all your complaints

>>214140230
Tyler should've used his charisma to improve the lives of his followers instead of convincing them to commit acts of vandalism and eventually terrorism. Different members probably had different issues but there's bound to be some overlap. It's been a while since I saw the movie but IIRC in the case of the Narrator the guy was mostly just sick of the dull, comfortable life of an office worker. He enjoyed roughing it out with Tyler instead of watching TV. He could've just found like minded people and do things like hiking, or learn practical life skills by renovating some rustic cabin in the woods and get away from all the comforts - you know, productive shit, not terrorism.
>>214140276
>>214140360
Why are you pretending that the world they're living in is at all comparable to an actual dictatorship like the USSR? The guy's life is just comfortable, boring and numb. He has the freedom to do whatever he wants with it, he's just depressed and lacks the motivation and guidance to do anything about it. Tyler becomes his mentor, and he mentors him into self destructive nihilism.

>>214138999
Wouldn’t people just rack up all the debt again in a couple years anyway?

>>214140005
It actually happened in 911. Since then, the govt makes strict demands about computer backups that make this scenario about as impossible as a pay phone today.

>>214139851
Let's not ignore the obvious solution: the companies could simply re-create new debts and use the government and military to authorize them in order to counter the terrorists and to sustain the economy. Who can stop them? The records of who owed what to who is gone.

>>214140581
That wouldn't happen and if it did it would cause more terrorism and civil unrest. People would be torn to pieces. You just can't randomly assign debt to people.

>>214140431
>The guy's life is just comfortable

yes daily redeye flights and permanent insomnia with zero connections to other people is what I think of when I hear comfortable

And the Soviet Union also really liked the idea of atomized man.

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>>214140653

>>214140276
this

>>214140689
you don't get to claim bait after you realize your idea is stupid

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>>214138936
haircut goes hard
same with the fit

>>214140817
i look like this and do this

>>214140431
>Tyler should've used his charisma to improve the lives of his followers
that's precisely what he did in the film, you just don't understand what "a better life" is for a man because, once again, you have womanbrain. "he should have taken them on hikes to manage their anger." just go ahead and say they should have all gone to therapy

>>214140684
His life was materially comfortable.
>>214141015
He did nothing of the sort in the film. They met up, punched each other a few times and ultimately solved nothing. The Narrator literally says as much, “Nothing was solved . . . but nothing mattered.”
>"he should have taken them on hikes to manage their anger."
Who are you quoting?

>>214141562
>He did nothing of the sort in the film.
he opened their eyes to the possibility of living like men. they will be thankful to him until the day they die. but you will never get it.
>Who are you quoting?
you. your position is that he should have managed their neuroses via therapeutic hobbies, hiking, woodworking etc. but the source of those neuroses is that they are men forced to live like women. they don't need therapy, they need to live like men. he gave them the actual cure.

>>214141562
>and ultimately solved nothing
they successfully replaced what was missing in feminized society. when people are deprived of something, they'll embrace any replacement no matter how "toxic." Men need more than creature comforts, women don't, as women's primary function is to produce children.

>>214141975
>>he opened their eyes to the possibility of living like men
Meaning?
>you. your position is that he should have managed their neuroses via therapeutic hobbies, hiking, woodworking etc
My position is that there are positive and negative solutions to problems. The Narrator was sick of living comfortably, his solution was to become a squatter together with his hallucinated alter ego. A more healthy way of dealing with this would be to try a more rustic lifestyle in a cabin, which would've robbed him of the same comforts while also teaching him life skills.
>but the source of those neuroses is that they are men forced to live like women
Nobody is forcing them to do anything. They are lost and in need of guidance.
>>214141985
No, it didn't solve anything. Their daily life is still the same, the only difference is that they're now going to group therapy with each other, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but it doesn't actually solve problems they might have like "I fucking hate my job" or "I lost all contact with my friends and now I'm very lonely", they just meet up, take a break from their miserable fucking lives, hit each other, then go back to the miserable fucking lives. The healthier solution would be to fix their lives.

>>214140033
No they didn't zoomer.

>>214142162
all their problems boiled down to living in a feminized society isn't fulfilling for men. this has been explained to you a number of different ways, so its not like you'll magically understand the sixth rewording.

>>214142459
And I've repeatedly explained that Tyler's flaw is that he's not trying to fix anything, he's just violently lashing out.

>>214142523
you've just stubbornly refused to acknowledge what he fixed.

>>214142558
yeah hes a system cuck

>>214142558
Because he didn't fix anything.

>>214142611
He did though. he fixed feminized men.

Bitcoin, the fuck. He told me it was tulipmania all over again so I didnt buy at 17k.

>>214142637
How?

>>214142708
by teaching them the ability to let that which does not matter truly slide.

>>214142162
the "problem" in the film isn't that guys sometimes get sick of urban apartments and should try moving to a cabin. the problem is that they are permanently submerged in a social structure that's inherently hostile to masculinity and life. the only solution is the destruction of that structure. that is what tyler durden attempts, the only possible response that isn't cope.

>>214142708
by making them soldiers in a war. not a fake and gay war where they catapult you overseas to kill brownoids for israel, but a real war that matters.

>>214139551
>you are making a mountain out of a molehill if you think the society they live in are akin to torturers to them
>ubiquitous penis torture upon birth
>12 years mandatory propaganda prison sentence from ages 5-18
>50 years of fruitless labor after that just to get by
>highest suicide rate of all time

I honestly think people only pretend that what we have going here is good in order to fit in.

>>214142729
In what way?
>>214142768
>the problem is that they are permanently submerged in a social structure that's inherently hostile to masculinity and life
They aren't though. They're free to do whatever they want in their free time. No one is forcing the Narrator to buy IKEA furniture. He and all the other men are free to associate with each other in masculine settings and do masculine activities.
>the only solution is the destruction of that structure
Not the change of that structure?
>that is what tyler durden attempts, the only possible response that isn't cope.
And ultimately fails at, arguably he's the one coping because he engages in self-destructive nihilism instead of fixing his life
>>214142837
So masculinity is being radicalized to commit terrorist attacks?

>>214142837
ah yes that worked wonders for the boys in the middle east
and vietnam
and ww2
you fucking stupid imbecile wtf

>>214142871
they do
most people pretend our lives are good and normal because they are too scared to accept the truth that they arent lol
theres some of them itt

«Nothing was fixed, but nothing mattered» is literally how it was fixed. It’s a zen-like statement with great meaning. The entire point of the movie is to show how fucked up society has become and how dependent we are on consumerism and other shit that in the end means fuck all.
They are literally trying to hit rock bottom to be free, things you own end up owning you and all that.

>>214142882
did you not make it to the second sentence, genius?

>>214142880
>In what way?
so now you need me to explain fight club's core thesis? that feminized/atomized society has men chasing and prioritizing things that ultimately don't matter and won't offer any fulfillment?

>>214142952
there is no magical war like in an anime you are imagining retard where the white men all return home and fuck their wives
all wars are fake unless you want to start the real one and kill our government and hollywood
but you're asking for a free meat grinder event to magically make men into what you want
its stupid and nonsensical and gay and offends me

>>214138917
Nothing. He was wrong about nothing.

It doesn't matter if him blowing up the headquarters of credit card companies erased all debt, he set a goal for himself, fought for that goal, and accomplished it. Every man desires tangible goals that they have to fight, struggle for. When a man does not have such goals, they become depressed, suicidal, feminine.

Regardless, even if it didn't erase all debt, it sends a very clear and strong message that people like Luigi Mangione could only dream of sending. And it's not like Project Mayhem stops there, they're a fully disciplined paramilitary organization.

>>214142969
«In what way is that the problem?» you’re getting trolled bro, he has nothing to add other than keeping you answering stupid questions. Everyone knows what you mean just let it go.

>>214142974
the movie literally describes the war as spiritual.

and yeah, ww2 brought home men who fucked their wives until their vaginas resembled clown cars while building western civilization to a point where it touched the stars with nothing but slide-rules. the subsequent feminization of society has people thinking a child should be allowed to mutilate themselves if they don't feel completely comfortable.

Marla wasn't real either btw

>>214142969
I'm asking you how they let things slide and how they determine what those things are.

>>214143000
If someone wants to look stupid, help them.

>>214143031
ww2 killed off white men
you're stupid

>>214143054
maybe watch the movie sometime. lack of conflict in people's lives causes them to obsess over nonsense.

>>214143041
This is a dumbass theory that ignores the guys who kidnapped her and brought her to the ending.

>>214140817
>that tight fucking midriff

ok that's it, I'm getting /fit/ TO-DAY.

>>214143100
cope

>>214143089
So prior to Fight Club all these men live deeply unsatisfying lives and after Fight Club they... still live deeply unsatisfying lives, but it's okay because they get to go to therapy and cope once a week?

>>214143069
Most of the people that died in ww2 were chinks and slavs.

>>214143140
your headcanon is not supported by the movie.

>>214143173
How am I wrong? Nothing is fixed, the society they live in is still feminized or whatever you think is causing their problems, the only difference is that they go to therapy once a week, they never address the issues in their daily lives.

>>214143199
>how am i wrong for inserting into the movie something that wasn't in the movie?

>>214143213
Explain with your own words what the issues the men in Fight Club have, why they have them and how those issues are addressed by Fight Club.

>>214143233
I have.

>>214143233
This has been explained to you a million times but you’re either too stupid to understand it, or just trolling with. Hopefully the last for your own sake.

>>214143135
Talking to yourself again?

>>214143301
to be fair, trying to explain lack of fulfillment to a materialist is like trying to explain water to a fish.

>>214142880
>They're free to do whatever they want in their free time. No one is forcing the Narrator to buy IKEA furniture. He and all the other men are free to associate with each other in masculine settings and do masculine activities.
titanic cope. they are free to perform [sanctioned activities] in their [allotted time]. they get to make all kinds of superficial lifestyle choices to disguise their own feminization. want to talk about artisanal beard oils???

>>214142974
>all wars are fake unless you want to start the real one and kill our government and hollywood
you mean like the one tyler durden starts in the movie fight club

>>214143233
scroll up

>>214143400
yes
>>214143361
you're talking to a system cuck who is scared to lose what investments hes made in the fake game

>>214143361
>want to talk about artisanal beard oils???
Boy howdy, do I!

>>214143361
>titanic cope. they are free to perform [sanctioned activities] in their [allotted time]. they get to make all kinds of superficial lifestyle choices to disguise their own feminization. want to talk about artisanal beard oils???
Who's forcing them to make superficial lifestyle choices? If they all hate it so fucking much, why don't they genuinely connect with each other and do things they genuinely enjoy? Make some actual friends who understand them and their struggles?
>durr that's what fight club is
Besides showing up to fight each other once a week, or is the implication that men are just fundamentally incapable of pursuing any other passions or finding enjoyment in anything that isn't physical violence?

>>214138917
Doesn't understand the importance of duvets

>>214143462
>why don't these feminized men in this feminized society just unfeminize themselves

they did. that's the point of the movie. they don't directly state it in fight club, but the chemical burn is a rite of passage similar to what boys had endure to become men in ancient times. they needed to experience real pain, real conflict, real battle, real fear, to learn what mattered in life. something atomized society doesn't want anyone to know, because its harder to sell khakis to people who don't give a shit.

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>>214139190
>le positive masculinity

>>214140336
he wasn't predicting the future retard
they had wagies back in the 90s

>>214143581
>>why don't these feminized men in this feminized society just unfeminize themselves
They don't do it themselves, Tyler Durden helps them do it. My point still remains that he's a bad mentor because he teaches them an adolescent, nihilistic self-destructive form of masculinity. There is a world where he's more like Clark Kent's dad instead.
>but the chemical burn is a rite of passage similar to what boys had endure to become men in ancient times. they needed to experience real pain, real conflict, real battle, real fear, to learn what mattered in life. something atomized society doesn't want anyone to know, because its harder to sell khakis to people who don't give a shit.
If you hate your job, don't have many friends or have bad luck with women then all these problems are not rooted in you never having participated in a military conflict or experienced severe chemical burns, nor do they go away after those things. These people just temporarily escape from their daily problems. They're still there Monday morning, some of the guys just have a more nihilistic worldview now. Anyway, I'm going to bed, we're just looping on this.

>>214143462
it has to be violence because, as the other anon already implied, violence is real. it cuts through social fictions, delusions, copes. it's about people that live in their own heads being forced to return to base physical reality and then rebuild their identity from there.

>>214143777
In hopes of putting it in terms you’ll understand, the leader of the world is an orange retard because he was the only one promising anything other than more feminization. Desperate people will follow anyone.

You keep repeating your headcanon ignoring that fight club takes place over a matter of months. We don’t know if Raymond K Hessel became a veterinarian, but we do know he never showed up in project mayhem.

>>214143777
>If you hate your job, don't have many friends or have bad luck with women
you are looping because you absolutely refuse to engage with what multiple anons are trying to explain to you. the men in question are not unhappy because they are unsuccessful within the modern life framework, they are unhappy because the framework is unfit for men. there is no real solution that won't be "destructive" because anything short of destroying the framework is palliative.

>>214143581
>>214143868
>>214143950
>>214144191
based

>>214139190
>The Narrator even says that Fight Club fixes fuck all about their lives, nothing changes

And then in the next scene Tyler starts building project mayhem, to change things.

>>214143777
You’re focused on project mayhem because the movie spends the most time with them. Tyler also gets people to improve their lives within the feminized framework of society. The people in project mayhem are the people who’ve been so emasculated they don’t even have dreams. They’re broken and all they want is to break things. That’s what happens when men are completely ground down.

>>214144191
Explain to me how it is unfit for men.
His boss doesn’t seem to mind his job, nor the politicians. Maybe they are just losers?

Not my fault nobody can give me a good answer to why they have to be destructive to be men.

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>>214145147
nta but modern life gives men comforts but strips them of rites. you get jobs couches and tinder but no crucible to test yourself no brotherhood to belong to no shared myth that makes suffering mean something. that isn’t an accident it’s the design. the system needs docile isolated consumers not bonded dangerous men

that’s why tyler exists. not because khakis are evil but because khakis replace initiation. he doesn’t hand out a lifestyle he recreates the missing structure pain fear loyalty destruction as the only way to wake people up from sedation. call it adolescent if you want but adolescence is where initiation should happen and in our society it never does

so no it’s not that they hate their jobs and should just buy better hobbies. the framework itself is hostile because it denies men the conditions that make masculinity real. you don’t fix that with beer leagues and golf. you fix it by burning the fake life down and building something from the ashes

that’s why “just unfeminize yourself” is impossible inside the machine. the machine exists to feminize you

>>214145461
>the machine exists to feminize you
youre basically just an edgy retarded anarchist and your whole rant boils down to that
what about all the countless times society has built men up and made gods with virtue and etc? the argument in fight club is fine "destroy everything" but the issue is, okay what next guys???
tribal anarchy faggotry? no, we are going to rebuild civilization.
okay so, the pragmatic approach in the first place, is to just fix our civilization. thats where we're still at now, here.

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>>214145811
you keep appealing to some mythical “civilization” that once built men up. but that was a different order entirely, tribal initiation, war, shared myth, sacrifice. those men were forged before the machine, not by it. modern society doesn’t build gods, it builds employees.

you call it “fixing civilization” but what you mean is patching leaks in a sinking ship so you can keep buying khakis in peace. the fight club argument isn’t “destroy everything lol”, it’s that destruction is the beginning. initiation always starts with tearing down the old self, the old structure. the burn comes first.

you ask “what next?” like you don’t realize that’s the point, the unknown, the test, the abyss. initiation is not pragmatic. it’s trial by fire. men who need the comfort of a blueprint are the ones who never make it through.

you’re not proposing a fix. you’re proposing sedation with a fresh coat of paint.

>>214145911
bruh stop chatGPT bating me youre not good at it

>>214145928
i accept your concession!

>>214145942
Explain to me how that’s a concession.

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>>214138917
Blowing people up
Randomly beating up people in the street
PIssing in people's lunch
Thinking some dude's life is improved because you forced him into a situation he wasn't ready for at gunpoint

It's a good movie but it's still babby's first book of anarchy

>>214146002
because instead of answering you hid behind ‘lol chatgpt bait’ which is just a cope to cover that you had no rebuttal. if you had one you’d have used it. instead you ran from the argument. that’s what concession looks like.

>>214146024
that wasnt me he just wanted to see if you were a bot that would auto reply. he doesnt realize you are just a fag using it for your arguments.

>>214146024
Explain to me why not answering stupid questions is the same as running from an argument

>>214146062
yeah and when you go to the doctor its your "friend" whos dick doesnt work and has gay wet dreams

>>214146062
Explain to me how I’m a fag

>>214146082
because you didn’t treat it like a stupid question until you realized you had no answer. calling it "stupid" after the fact is just retroactive cope. if it was really beneath you, you’d have ignored the thread entirely instead of typing essays and then bailing when it got too hard :(

>>214138917
he was a commie instead of natsoc
that's it

>our great depression was our lives

no lie detected. I would be up at 3am when I was 17 watching this on vhs, recorded from cable. Lost all my vhs when I left my parents house. I bet they donated them..

>>214138917
the jacket

>>214138917
That restarting civilization from square one won't invariably lead to the exact same conclusion.

>>214148459
Not in his lifetime

>>214147226
>commie
He was clearly an anarchist.

Blowing up the HQ of credit card companies won't do shit to erase your credit score. Even in the 80s/90s they had backups upon backups of that info.

>>214139437
based post

>>214138936
I unironically want to rock that cut.

>>214139190
>positive forms of masculinity
>doing hard things to meaningfully improve their lives
Holy reddit
Gookmoot just nuke this site already