If there are an infinite number of natural numbers, and an infinite number of fractions in between any two natural numbers, and an infinite number of fractions in between any two of those fractions, and an infinite number of fractions in between any two of those fractions, and an infinite number of fractions in between any two of those fractions, and... then that must mean that there are not only infinite infinities, but an infinite number of those infinites. and an infinite number of those infinities. and an infinite number of those infinities. and an infinite number of those infinities. and... (infinitely times. and that infinitely times. and that infinitely times. and that infinitely times. and that infinitely times. and...) continues forever. and that continues forever. and that continues forever. and that continues forever. and that continues forever. and...(...)...
the cringe I feel is also infinite for loaning my 65 yr old math algebra 2 teacher this movie. she said it was "interesting". god why did I do that
>>214146340thats one way to think about it I guessthe judaization of mathematics created a lot of meaningless rabbitholes
>>214146438you wanted to bang her?
>>214146340in before someone mentions jews
>>214146438She probably didn't even give a fuck about math
>>214146610its not really about math lol hes just going neurotic because hes a genius and various serious groups of people want what he knows
>>214146503>judaization of mathematicsExplain
>>214146632nta but its true to the extent of physics, math, science all getting polluted by jewish math autism that allows them to "explain" infinite amounts of mathematical theoretical bullshit and maintain prestige while producing nothing.real innovation comes from the sciences that their jewish parasitism wastes the time of.
>>214146340It doesn't matter.
>>214146340Math is a system invented to determine limits. It has no other practical value, therefore the infinite number of mathematical infinities (or whatever) is irrelevant.
>>214146678What's funny is that the concept in OP with infinite sets of numbers uses aleph to denote them lolhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleph_number
>>214146860does that trigger you and make you feel white genocided, yeah?
>>214146843prove it
>>214146874no
>>214146877π ÷ 7 = 0.44879895051Heh, you probably thought I couldn't do it. Move along, kiddo.
>>214146340>then that must mean that there are not only infinite infinitiesNot really. Depending what you mean. You just keep getting smaller and smaller until I presume you enter the parallel universe which I assume is the afterlife.
>>214146340Eleatics solved eveything already.
>>214146438why. it was a good movie
>>214146950
>>214146678Math isn't meant to produce anything inherentlyMath is discovered first, then someone comes along later and uses whatever math proof was discovered to help him in his research to produce whatever he's trying to make. Just because the autistic abstract nonsense of today doesn't seem to have practical uses yet doesn't mean it's useless
>>214147158We're paying architects to design buildings that defy the laws of physics. They get praised for the elegance of their impossible blueprints, not for building anything, and then they have the nerve to call it "foundational" work. Unless it's treated like kids experiments it's useless.
What do ya'll know about pi? I must have watched this movie 20 times. saw the following couple DA movies in theatre too.
>>214147158It's not discovered, it's at least partially a social game like any other language, but it has different uses than say the language we use when we're cooking.
>>214147357it's impossible to defy the laws of physics brainlet
>>214147800True. But it's not impossible to get tenure for it.
>>214147683No it isn't, it follows strict rules that no single person specifically invented or came up with. I didn't invent the fact that adding one apple to a basket containing one apple now makes it contain two applesAbstract advanced math just pushes basic mathematical rules to their logical conclusion
>>214146438you blew it, you were supposed to invite yourself over to hers to watch it and then lay pipe
>>214146632they basically pushed relativism into mathematics in the early 20th centuryit gets complicated (and nonsensical, which is the reason they did it) but if you want me to get into it and think you'llbe able to keep up, I will
>>214147683>It's not discoveredIt is. nobody invented math. It's probably the most objective field. There's nothing that will change 1 + 1 = 2.
>>214146678>scienceyou mean engineeringscience is trying to interpret reality, engineering is creating and shaping reality, proving your ideas are true and useful
>>2141481151+1 is impossible, because universe is just one, all distinctions are subjective.
>>214147800he meant buildings that would have to defy the laws of physics if built
>>214148144>1+1 is impossibleI have one apple, I put it in a basket with another. I have two. ez
>>214148115Modern mathematician Terrence Howard has published numerous papers mathematically proving contradictions in simple arithmetic equations like the one you posted
>>214146340>Give us the real jew gold Kyle
What if it’s just a paradox? And the ideas of a fixed integer and infinite are not competing with eachother. They are complimentary. All infinities = 100%. The more you add integers together the closer you get to a complete set, but never make it.
>>214148282You mean the guy who literally doesn't understand the concept of multiplication?
>>214148310These are the guys that show up when you have a computer that predicts the stock market.
>>214148282no he didn't, terrence howard is a fraud and not a mathematician
>>214148310>Back off beardo. Or I'll show you just how irrational Pi can be.
>>214146340>OH NOOOOO THE PIE NUMBER IS SUCH A MAGICAL NUMBER I'M GOING INSAAAAANEEEEE MATH IS SO COOL AND MYSTICALfuck this shit and fuck that cringe math faggots
>>214148380what are you imagining the difference is, there?
>>214148282>Modern mathematician Terrence Howard 1. Terrence Howard is not a professional mathematician. He’s an actor2. He has not published anything3. Terryology is a belief system
>>214148165You are relying on an apple, which ultimately a subjective distinction. What is an apple to a rock?
>>214148407he doesn't have any background in math and does not understand basic math
>>214146340oh dear it seems that a troll has taken control of the thread
>>214148435>You are relying on an appleIt's just a placeholder. At this point you're splitting hairs and arguing for the sake of it so I'll accept your concession
>>214146340But science has proven their is a limit to size and it breaks apart into transitional energy.
>>214148435an object is not a subjective distinction by definitionthat's why we oppose the terms subjective and objective
>>214148335And you’d never be able to prove if two infinite sets are the same because there is no end.
>>214148397>unsheathes golden ratio>teleports behind you>traps you in infinite recursive loopYou were good kid, real good. But as long as I'm around, you'll always be second best, see
>>214148452I'm very sorry but your current incarnation lacks wisdom, better luck next time.>>214148460It's an object subjectively.
>>214148541>It's an object subjectivelyby that logic there are no objects, just make the claim everything is subjective and we can never know anything then
>>214147846That's what they thought when they started the principia mathematica but sadly we've known for over a hundred years that it turned out to be a dogshit notion. Sorry bud.
>>214148541I already accepted your concession. off you go now, loser. bye! BYE BYE
>>214148588>by that logic there are no objectsYes, there are no objects.Everything we perceive with the senses is illusory, and the quantum level can't be base-reality given the fact that nothing relative or prone to fluctuation can exist in the absolute sense much less serve as a foundation for itself.Existence is predicated on consciousness, which is based on feeling. Reality is spirit, maaaaaan... but seriously, it is.
>>214148667You sound kike a tranny or a woman.
>>214146340we're going to be hearing a lot more mystical number bullshit as more and more delusional NPCs contract AI psychosis and start believing they are the chosen one who has at long last laid bare the building blocks of God because chatGPT told them they're the next Einstein
>>214148696Still accepted.
>>214148627explain what's wrong with it
>>214148688right, there are no objects, nothing is real including this conversation, so why bother arguing about truth at this point? you can never know anything
>>214148739So you admit to you? Which one are you?
>>214148787Information is just a necessary means to an end - an end that I believe is a formless, changeless, blissful, ineffable feeling commonly known as heaven or nirvana.Let your spirit guide guide you, my son.
>>214148857There can be no information in a world without objective reality
>>214148758What, you need the greatest debate in early twentieth century mathematics to be collapsed into a shit post?Ok look into a book called Godels Proof by Nagel and Newman, it's a very short book that you can read in an afternoon and it's got a summation of a proof that states:>Any sufficiently powerful axiomatic system (like arithmetic) is either incomplete (there are true statements it cannot prove) or inconsistent (it can prove a contradiction).>This means: no finite set of axioms captures all of mathematical truth.>Gödel’s incompleteness theorems suggests that mathematics cannot be fully captured by any single, fixed formal system, implying that the development of mathematics involves creative, evolving frameworks constructed through human and social practices rather than just discovery of pre-existing truthsWelcome to 1931 I guess.
>>214148950incomplete != false
>>214148897Objective reality is an illusory manifestation of the Absolute. It's real in the sense that we experience it - it's just not absolutely real.The hindus deal with this in terms of Nirguna and Saguna - that is, the absolute without qualities and the absolute with qualities.
>>214148973"not absolutely real" doing a lot of legwork there
>>214148962No one said it was false. Falsity is not part of my argument.But you hit on something else that's interesting, the concept of "truth" for the sentences within a formal system cannot be defined inside that same system without leading to paradoxes so even your misunderstanding there shows your argument can't work
>>214148973>Objective reality is an illusory manifestation of the Absolute. It's real in the sense that we experience it - it's just not absolutely real.If everything we can verify, measure, and live through is not real, then the word “real” collapses. Reality, by definition, is the domain of what persists and behaves independently of our imagination. To call that an “illusion” is like saying “cakes are imaginary, but they taste delicious.” Illusions presuppose reality because to detect an illusion you compare it against what really is. If everything is an illusion, then nothing is.
>>214149033>Gödel’s incompleteness theorems suggests that mathematics cannot be fully captured by any single, fixed formal system, implying that the development of mathematics involves creative, evolving frameworks constructed through human and social practices rather than just discovery of pre-existing truthsThis is a strange extrapolation on the part of whoever wrote this, the fact that the system itself cannot account for every truth contained within it doesn't mean it requires inventive or creative thinking to operate
>>214149006It's actually pretty simple. When you look at a rock, is it really a rock that you're looking at or a bunch of waves and particles (perhaps just waves) interacting with each other? And you can take it even deeper than that, given what I said earlier about the quantum level not being base-reality.Ultimately, everything is the all-pervading Self manifested in a variety of forms... which I realize sounds rather hippy dippy, but it's the truth.
>>214149073>If everything we can verify, measure, and live through is not real, then the word “real” collapsesHence why I divided our experience into 2 realities - the Absolute, and the reality that we experience by means of the senses.
>>214149102The introduction of new axioms or meta theories are required in order to work around the boundaries inherent in the system. Think of it a bit like the liar paradox but about an individual, "Chud cannot prove this statement is true"
>>214149111>When you look at a rock, is it really a rock that you're looking at or a bunch of waves and particles (perhaps just waves) interacting with each other?It's both at the same time. Our definition of the object can change but the underlying truth, the object itself, exists regardless of our perception of it
>>214149102This is a good summation I thinkhttps://plato.stanford.edu/entries/goedel-incompleteness
>>214149210>It's both at the same timeSort of >Our definition of the object can change but the underlying truth, the object itself, exists regardless of our perception of itI disagree for reasons I outlined
>>214146340There are different sizes of infinity already proven in math. Read Cantor or basic set theory.
>>214149159>Hence why I divided our experience into 2 realities - the Absolute, and the reality that we experience by means of the senses.Your notion of the Absolute is parasitic on empirical reality. All your thoughts, language, and distinctions; including the very statement you just made are experienced phenomena. If sensory-based reality is ‘less real,’ then your awareness of the Absolute would also be undermined, because that awareness is mediated through experience.”Or in a simpler way to put it... if our experienced reality can’t be trusted, then their very concept of the Absolute collapses too.
>>214149254Fuck off have you seen the box office numbers on that flop
>>214148282niggerology is not math, sorry terry
>another thread of /pol/trannies chimping out because reality is complex
>>214149334>Your notion of the Absolute is parasitic on empirical realityBecause the Absolute doesn't exist in a vacuum - nothing does. Everything exists in relation to everything else (or at least the illusion of there being many things), therefore it has to be realized through what it's not (which is clearly spacetime).>if our experienced reality can’t be trusted, then their very concept of the Absolute collapses tooIn the end, all information is not to be trusted. It's merely a means to an end - an ineffable, spiritual end.
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>>214146340More intelligent but less entertaining than The Number 23
>>214149424*therefore the absolute has to be...
>>214149210NTA but everything we say consists of words and concepts which are social constructs. The meaning of a word lies in its use in a given language game which changes according to context, players etc. there is an underlying reality but what we say about it is not the same as that reality I think this is my problem with quantum mechanics, there's no reason when you get that abstracted from daily life that reality should fit the concepts we use for daily life.
>>214146340Honestly one of the worst movies i've ever seen.Up there with Quicksilver Highway and Master of Disguise.It's a different kind of bad though, it's just so fucking stupid.
>>214149424>In the end, all information is not to be trustedI think I see what you mean. Like how for a time something will be accepted as the truth until something comes along and contradicts it. A famous example being that cigarettes were considered healthy. If that's what you mean I can agree with that, but there are objective truths in the world otherwise the concept would be theoretical.
>>214147075lol
>>214149777>like how for a time something will be accepted as the truth until something comes along and contradicts itExactlyTo expand on that, just take the logical investigation of "if (a) is true, then (b)." If you find that (b) does or doesn't follow, does it mean you understand either (a) or (b)? Of course not. It's just a process of investigation - it's a working towards actual understanding. And you can apply this to any system or process no matter how seemingly complex it may be, like, say, the biological process that forms a body. If you completely process the chemistry and biology, does it mean you understand what a human truly is? I don't think so. It just means you learned about the body within a given framework of analysis.I think of spacetime as the "Being optimization theory." It's driven by the Supreme Being in order for it to realize and actualize itself.
>>214149950man you need to get laid
>>214149990Lol but I am already euphoric.Honestly, you might be onto something.
>>214146438>woman can't appreciate kinoI'm shocked
>>214146340>an infinite number of fractions in between any two natural numbersLearn calculus.
>>214148688>Existence is predicated on consciousness, which is based on feeling. Reality is spirit, maaaaaan... but seriously, it is.You've already insinuated the claim that nothing is knowable though. So you have nothing to back this viewpoint up other than you feeling that it is right.
>>214150633>You've already insinuated the claim that nothing is knowable thoughThe Absolute can't be proven by means of empirical evidence because it's not exactly equal to percepts. I believe it must be a formless, ineffable experience for reasons I stated earlier.
>>214146340natural and rational numbers have the same cardinailty, they are the same level of "infinit". You are right thought, that there are infinite of those levels. The next step would be the real numbers, which are one step ahead of the naturals/rationals.
>>214150886Yes so you are effectively just making shit up to rationalize the dilemma that is proving any truth.
>>214146678>nta but its true to the extent of physics, math, science all getting polluted by jewish math autism that allows them to "explain" infinite amounts of mathematical theoretical bullshit and maintain prestige while producing nothing.>real innovation comes from the sciences that their jewish parasitism wastes the time of.Congratulations: That's the dumbest statement I've read today on 4chan.
>>214147683Math is discovered. The only "social" thing about it is it's notation. Aliens would have exactly the same math as we do, just different notations.Mathfag prove this kind of stuff.
>>214151000>you are effectively just making shit upWe're using language and concepts, all of which are invented, so we're all using made-up stuff to rationalize our positions.Despite the fact that I can't prove anything I'm saying to you, I believe my views are based on sound logic and, to some degree, evidence.
>>214151012argument status: still unrefuted
>>214151152>I believe my views are based on sound logic and, to some degree, evidence.They aren't
>>214151239K, good talk
>>214151347I don't know what kind of discussion you'd expect when your viewpoint is a dead end of vague nothingness.
>>214146340Anon discovered what "infinity" means
>>214151405I don't expect anythingIn a way, you're correct about my viewpoint. I believe the light at the end of the tunnel is a kind of vague no-thing-ness (not to be confused with total absence). And yeah, that's not an easy thing to elucidate with tangible evidence.
if there are infinite universes, does that mean there's one where the only difference to ours is that I didn't made this post?
>>214151727I've thought about this before, and it hurts my brain.I don't think there can be infinite universes because a) there's no good reason to think an infinite regress is possible, and b) there has to be limits in order for anything to exist.However, I do think the universe must function as a closed system that's eternally fluctuating (for reasons I won't get into right now) - and if this is true, I think it must mean every possible iteration (i.e. every possible sequence of events) must play out. So, while it would be finite due to the necessary limitations of spacetime, it might as well be infinite due to our extremely limited capacity to fathom the possibilities.
>>214148515>political_compass.gif
My first gf made me watch this cause I guess she thought I might become a schizo
>>214148820All three
>>214146438My algebra 2 teacher showed it to us in class. She fast forward ed through the curse words.
>>214147442All I know about it that it's Aronofsky's best flick and only Requiem for Ass-To-Ass comes close.
>>214150886It's funny how science nerds always return to the ever-present hand of God.
>>214146340>an infinite number of those infinities. and... (infinitely times. and that infinitely times. and that infinitely times. and that infinitely times. and that infinitely times. and...)Oh, look. A schizo has found a movie about a schizo.
>>214146340No it doesn't. If we're talking about rational numbers here those are all the same infinity - the smallest infinity aleph null.>>214146503Fuck you. Jews have contributed a lot to set theory to clarify it and make it a vast and interesting field, not meaningless rabbitholes. The retarded schizo movie has nothing to do with the actual math.
>>214146632To the extend we're talking about infinities and foundations, that field is basically a jewish field. The letters are jewish (aleph, beth etc), there's a ton of jewish associated things like diamond principle, pretty much all of the pioneers in the field are jewish with the notable exception of Kurt Godel:> Zermelo> Fraenkel> Cantor> Hausdorff> Cohen> Kreisel> Shelah> Woodin> Solovayand so many others.There's literally a group in set theory called the "cabal" which is a set of California jews https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabal_(set_theory)Set theory and the study of higher infinities is likely the most jewish field of study in all of mathematics
>>214148282Terrence Howard is a retard with mental problems. He's not a mathematician.>>214148335That's fucking retarded. Study set theory.>>214148404Math faggots hate this movie more than you do. We know it's retarded.
The most retarded thing was "the name of God" being a 216 digit number when Lenny already had explained Jewish numerology and some letters taking up a 1 digit number, other letters a 2 digit number and still other letters a 3 digit number, plus the numbers those letters make up SUMS that are represented by numbers. So how would you figure out what set of letters would make up the sum of the elusive 216 digit number and in what order to place those letters? There's simply no way, and even an elementary school kid could see this giant plot hole.
>>214150988There are more natural numbers than rational numbers. If deny this you're retarded.>inb4 MUH CARDINALITYCardinality isn't based on set size, dumbass.
>>214146438We watched Bill & Ted in English class
