>2 hours of indulgent cgi slop scenes and the same old boring 2d native American tropes we've all seen a thousand times before, before finally getting to the hour long finale I would say the whole film was carried ENTIRELY by pic related being cute, without a shred of hyperbole, she was literally the only thing that particularly stood out to me in the whole film, I cant imagine what a pointless slog it would have been without her activating neurons once and a whileI cant be the only one who finds this stuff just straight up boring and massively overindulgent, right? Guy really needs to spend a little bit less time on the CGI jerk off sessions and generic native American tropes and more time developing likeable characters and their relationships another small thing that I personally felt, was that they really need more scenes with humans and ayys together because the contrast in size makes them feel a little more interesting
>>214174648You'll reject this, but Cameron is in fact focused on the story. The whole point of the first 15 minutes is to show that Jake is basically a self-actualized man, and completely happy, for over ten years. He enjoys an idyllic existence (and can even get away to go flying with Neytiri sometimes, leaving the kids in the village's care), until Conflict 2 predictably wrecks this. You clearly see a certain appeal in Kiri, so that's one example of a likeable character. Another is Neteyam, who the fujos seemed to like. But most important is LO'AK. Lo'ak, Kiri and Spider are all the awkward "middle children", and the point of the film's climax is that these middle children, sometimes overlooked (especially Lo'ak) begin to assert themselves and show a little adulthood. Lo'ak's relationship with Payakan is also very important because (apart from the whale "character"), Lo'ak is basically ALONE out in nature in the middle of the film. Being an awkward teenager is a nearly-universally relatable thing (I suppose a small number of chads and stacies never really had and problems in the adolescent social department, but still), by design. Although Lo'ak gets his brother killed, I found him interesting, because the story is designed that way on purpose. Also both he and Payakan are outcasts who help each other out, again on purpose. Even Payakan becomes an interesting character in his own right because he clearly wrestles with his own conscience over his culture's pacifism (by thrashing around in the water for a few seconds) until he realizes the truth: nope, these humans have got to go, and that's it.The third comment is just superfluous and silly. The film again contains many scenes showing the size contrast, just as the original did. A significant minor human character (Spider), by his very character design, is constantly around the Na'vi, or the Recoms. Some scientist humans have gone native and go all hippie with the Na'vi, etc.
>>214174919i guess the biggest problem for me is jakes sons were just boring to me, a lot of the film focuses on them. I still dont even know which one is one who died. is the now who bonded with the whale the one who died? i honestly could not tell you I think he did a bad job focusing on the story, it really feels like they brush off the consequences of their pointless raids against the humans and the fact that his son and a bunch of other people are dead because of him and barely go into this aspect of the plot at all. Jake knows full well "they will keep coming like a storm that never stops" but he still chooses to engage in wanton violence anyway until they finally come and push his shit in and his whole family gets fucked over along with everyone else around them, but I dont think the movie ever even touched one on the ethical question of what he was doing since that would have messed with the whole noble savage vibe
>>214175138I am a big Avatar fan and I myself got the two brothers confused on the first pass, if you've only watched it once that's understandable. A second/third pass makes it clear who's who and how they contrast with each other.The raids aren't pointless. The general clearly states that the raids are seriously hampering human development of the area. The two sides are in a state of war, and people die. You're almost getting at Jake's main mistake in the movie (retreating to the water people instead of fighting a frontal conflict), but without the details.Jake is not a bright guy (this is also fairly clear in both movies), but the central problem of the original film is that he has to pick a side, which he does. That central tension (the more interesting tension) is absent from the sequel. A valid criticism is that he was dumb to just sort of hang out in the same area for 15-ish years until the predictable and inevitable return of the humans."The ethical question of what he was doing". This is the most interesting comment, and I assume you are referring to killing large numbers of humans. Again, there's two sides in a state of war. There is a certain perversity in being able to literally escape being human. IIRC the official website, in his brief character bio, acknowledges that he is a traitor to the human species, because he literally is and that's how it's written.
>>214175389eeh its not even the "betrayal" aspect that i particularly care about, I just think the plot of the film was begging for an exploration of violent vs nonviolent resistance, as the entire plot of the second film hinges on the concept of violence breeding and endless cycle of violence which Jake's brings down on his family by making himself into a target, and all this with the question of whether or not there is even a point considering sheer overwhelming force and the fact that its pretty clear he was never going to actually stop human expansion on the planet and this gets even more juicy given that he was a now the tribal leader and was actually in a position to fulfill his original purpose as a cultural bridge and could have actually made some diplomatic headway but the movie never really touches on any of this
>>214174648>another small thing that I personally felt, was that they really need more scenes with humans and ayys together because the contrast in size makes them feel a little more interestingwho is spider? who is quaritch and his crew? they had plenty of scenes with aliens and humans. >>214175138the eldest son died, the middle son is the one with the whale and the youngest son just spent the 3rd act strapped to a railing
>>214175740the actual message is that you should kill invaders without remorse
>>214175869>thing that I personally felt, was that they really need more scenes with humans and ayys together because the contrast in size makes them feel a little more interesting>who is spider? who is quaritch and his crew? they had plenty of scenes with aliens and humans.yes i know, Im just saying, more of that stuff would be kino, just look at this webm where you actually see them fighting in close quarters with humans, it actually makes them hugely seem threatening and more alien >>214176072>the eldest son died, the middle son is the one with the whale and the youngest son just spent the 3rd act strapped to a railingkek what i thought there was 2 sons and 2 daughters
>>214176311oh wow I guess I was mistaken and tuk is a girl. so he had 2 sons 1 daughter then adopted kiri
>>214176387At any rate, you seem to be interested enough in the film to keep talking about it for a while. I would suggest giving it one more try, and if you still don't like it overall, then you can write it off.
What would sex with a Navi feel like?
>>214176595I'm not the OP. I've seen it 4 or 5 times at this point. I really like the avatar films
>>214174648Over 70% of the box office is from the international market its numbers are boosted by chinks
>>214176595maybe, it does interest me and all as i liked the trailer and was really looking to get something out of it that i never really got. I might re watch it someday but honestly there are way too many cgi jerk off scenes that exist for no reason other than "look how cool the environment is! and the plot and characters just did not warrant the 3 hour runtime
>>214175869How dare you misgender Tuktuk.
Zero pop culture impact.
Lo'ak should have been a bratty teen girl
>>214176620Like sex with a horse maybe.
>>214174648I love avatar and two AI fucks debating isn't going to change it.
>>214175869As a character, Neteyam seemed to only exist as a projection of who Jake wished he could be, he resembled Jake’s Avatar form and he had four fingers like a pure Na'vi. Jake lost his idealized and vicarious son and was left with awkward and unpredictable (with the five finger "deformity") Lo’ak. By the end of the movie Jake begins to accept Lo’ak but based on the trailer for 3 it still appears unresolved
>>214176620pleasure beyond comprehension. Just imagine making love to a 9 foot tall big girl with wide breeding hips and youll get the picture
>>214174648i need to become a cryogenics scientist so i can freeze myself and wake up 1000 years in the future to find an alien gf like kiri
>avatar 4 not until 2029gay
Be honest /tv/. did you ever get PADS?https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/dec/15/post-avatar-depression-syndrome-why-do-fans-feel-blue-after-watching-james-camerons-film
>>214174648>the same old boring 2d native American tropesYou wouldn't believe it but 99% of people don't think about this obscure chapter of anthropology. Especially when the ayys are until now portrayed as Africans and Polynesians.
>>214174919Cameron hasn't cared about story in his movies since Terminator 2Avatard isn't even worth existing, unless you are realy into the tech used to make it
>>214176072>the actual message is that you should kill invaders without remorseWhat did jimmy mean by this?
>>214177839You sound informed.
>>214175869>youngest son just spent the 3rd act strapped to a railingTuk is a cute girl!
>>214174648Can't wait for Avatar 3 honestly
>>214176072To this day my eyes are still glued to her lower half hoping to catch something.
>>214182127You think Cameron modelled Zoe Saldana's pussy?
>>214174648>first movie was to advertise cgi tech and 3D>second movie was supposed to launch glassesless 3DI'm really supposed to believe people not only cared for the first movie but there are 3 of them with a fourth one coming?Where the fuck is my glassesless 3D? Why I'm the only one who remembers that?
>>214182112Said nobody ever
>>214182112If the rumors about how the future movies will play out are true, Avatar 3 might be the movie that moves away from the "woe the poor blue native american/maori cat people" shit and onto something interesting. I mean, who here has also played Marathon 2?
>>214182160>The models are anatomically correctNow that would get me into the theater.
>>214182185Two billies?
>>214182166No there's 2 of them with a 3rd coming out this year and a 4th and a 5th coming out eventually
>>214182185This is what Butcher haters actually believe. Cry more.
Avatar is one of the dullest franchises in the history of movie franchises.
>>214182166>glassesless 3D>Why I'm the only one who remembers that?Because you imagined it, it's just impossible.
>>214183003>it's just impossible.Based retard
>>214183068What prevents you to become a billionaire with a technology that makes a 2D screen shit out 3D images?
>>214183186>autostereoscopy is magic nowbeing a billionaire, if you meant implementing it into cinemas
>>214182112gonna be a blessed Christmas this year, anon
>>214183227Do it anon, be the next Cameron..
>>214183607No, I don't think I will. I'll just enjoy it on my autostereoscopic ASUS and wait for that shitter to implement it into theaters.
>Ladies and Gentlemen... we got him.
>>214183931>Originally works for RDA>infiltrates natives to 'spy' on them>"goes native" to better ingratiate himself with the natives>launches terrorism campaign against his former masters>the second the terrorism campaign isn't needed, he's "conveniently" located and brought to justiceThat would make Avatar 3 what? The third thing I've seen this year that strongly implies that 9/11 was an inside job.
>>214174648I don't even plan to watch it anytime soon. Avatar 1 was such a wet blanket, it's hard to believe it was made by the same guy that did Terminator 2 which was the epitome of entertainment.
>>214184014He turns himself in to stop the slaughter. The RDA's force is overwhelming, and their villages are too vulnerable. Jake knows everyone will die if they keep trying to fight
These guys are supposed to be playing a bigger role in #4
>>214184779So they are just practice targets for the RDA helos?
>>214184071mirin them traps
>>214184872No one said they're invincible. They're not battleblimps, they're nomad traders. The Ash Clan is going to fuck them up too. Point is, they're a part of the overall story in some way.
>>214184779Stop copying French BDs James!
>>214176072Is this actually from the movie? Looks ps3 tier
>>214185509Literally the best cgi ever made. And why it made so many billies.
>>214183312Quaritch is the bad "am I cool yet" dad in cinema
Cute blue children.
>>214185567he's gonna get a new evil wife and start working on making evil children
>>214174648Lol. These films are clearly the most sophisticated works of art ever made.
>>214175138>I still dont even know which one is one who diedThen you are a retard. Complain about cliched tropes but not be able to identify an older responsible son and a younger rebellious one. Who have completely different appearances, voices, personalities, and character arcs.
>movie promotes traditional family values like having and raising multiple children and protecting your family above yourself>immediately triggers certain groups of people who are still seething hard about it years later
>>214186445>Who have completely different appearancesYou wish, they're practically twins, it doesn't help they don't wear anything that could differenciate them.
>>214174648>Native American Opinion discarded
>>214182112>>214183312We made it, bros
>Varang looks just like Neytiri's sister when she's not covered in ash and war paint.Huh.
So they are definitely going to bring back Kiri's mom, right? I mean her avatar is still there and her memories are in eywa
>>214187639For comparison.
>>214187678No, because Grace's soul is inside Kiri. The avatar is a soulless husk
>>214174648Someone please post the J. Cameron not enough pasta
>>214187639>>214187714You mean they arr rook same?
>>214188679based tuk poster
it should be a running gag that Tuk always gets tied up, especially once she's adult and still manages to get herself into pulp damsel in distress scenarios despite being a skilled warrior
>>214187714Sylwanin has the low quality avatar 1 background na'vi model. Doesn't even look similar to Neytiri or Mo'at
>>214189682she bites tho
>>214186628I ship it.
>>214189915What a shame that she has to be constantly gagged and reduced to staring daggers at her captors
>>214190829(me)seriously one of the things I'm interested in seeing is how Tsireya and the others react to Spider.
>>214189682>I can’t believe they made me squirt again!
>>214189915Tying it up doesn't seem to be enough, gag the beast!
>>214174648i actually liked way of water more than the first one and the first one was already pretty good. it's just a straight up fantasy from a rehash of other old fantasies, why does it have to be more than that? there's no subversion - although in fairness, conceptually, the movie itself is a subversion. it's like star wars, it's a spectacle, quasi-magical high future sci-fi stuffalso alien-clone-quaritch's disturbing journey of self discovery as he finds his own corpse and has to deal with the fallout of his old life is pretty good stuff. adding in spider and having him walk around like gay wigger tarzan ruined a lot of it though and was the huge sore spot on the movie for me personally
Lies. Blasphemy. Tuk would never harm anyone.
>>214192301except skydemons and anti-Eywa heretics, which she gladly kills
>>214192416False. She actually likes to dress like one and post to sky people socials.
post more Varang
>>214192870
>>214185425it's an homage and it's nothing like this dogshit french faggotry, also flying animals on other planets has been a science fiction thing for many many years before you were born, there's even a whole series about what floating jellyfish creatures would be like on Jupiter and that's kind of where he draws inspiration on these
>>214185622holy fucking shit i didnt even think of that, ok im invested
>>214179917
I see You.
Ney must feed to reduce her suffering.
>>214196009Majake, I must eat to become whale people!
>sniffs
>>214196147Lmao. I didn’t think anyone saved that.
>>214189682>>214189915>>214190831>>214190940>>214190947Stop
>>214196539
>>214196539>in space no one can hear you hiss
Ok I will give it another shot then, perhaps before the 3rd film comes out
>>214197468Fish booba
Tsireya is getting a face tattoo
what's with all these desperate bumps?after 12 hours a thread should just autosage.
>>214197657Dropped
>>214197734cultural impact
>>214197734I’m closing the restaurant and I need to post blue lolis to pass the time.
I wish Cameron gives Gosling a cameo
>>214198034Lmao what is this
>>214198317https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhlJNJopOQPapyrus
>>214198343Ok that’s pretty good for cuck era snl
>>214197741It's their culture you ignorant skxwang.
>>214199247She’s for the reefs
This movie sucked because it skipped all the interesting stuff that would have happened in the interim between beating the humans and the humans invading again.
>>214199824your terrible idea wouldn't make any billies
>>214176072Based and redpilled (the real kind)
I watch for Kiri
>>214174648Avatar was always shit
>>214174648Avatar was always kino
>>214174648Avatar was always mid.
Discord tyranny posting is so evident
>>214201231explain? because it's just been me all night. Tuk poster extrodinair. and I'm not a part of any discord servers.
>>214197734Memory-holing the glassesless 3D
>>214201266based
>>214174648just wait until he uses his beloved AI, he's already talking shit about VFX artists
>>214193547That's Saeyla
How many billies this time around?
>>214202764
>>214203991Dumb firecat
>>214176072Wasn't there a scene in this movie where the kids use magic vines to strangle an escaping human underwater? Seemed pretty fucked up but at the same time I like how these films aren't afraid to be edgy.
>>214203246The last number of this post
>>214200316Any nip slip? She's an old lady btw.
got em again!
me, with Kiri's mom.
>>214174648As much as I like the aesthetics of these movies I can never get into them, and I can't decide if it's because I'm too cynical or if I think the movies are too cynical, or if it's some combination of the two.
