>gets out...>stabs again
>>214205975>gets out>gets a job in Hollywood
>>214205975>hey, it's technically plausible that some witnesses were lying and that someone else did it>ALRIGHT I'M CONVINCED HE'S INNOCENT LET HIM GO! I LOVE MY SON GODDAMMIT!
>>214205975is that the ADL guy?
i'd love a modern day 12 angry men reboot where one trantifa jury plant slowly manipulates 11 people into letting a george floyd-esque 30x violent felon go on a crime he obviously committed and has done before under almost the exact same circumstances, all caught, tried, and convicted for in those instances of coursebecause i'd love to see how it works. apparently it must work something like that with how often it happens in reality
>>214206027i know absolutely nothing about court procedure or the workings of a jury deliberation but i'm pretty much 100% certain that if a group of random jurors were actually talking about a case and somebody seriously said or implied "the witnesses were lying" they'd be looked at like a nutcase, awkwardly ignored for the next 30 minutes, and kicked off the jury the next time a bailiff or somebody came in. it's an absolutely psychotic thing to say
>>214206093Especially in the 1950s when eyewitness testimony was all people had. If you say that you can't trust witnesses you may as well never, ever convict anybody for anything.
>>21420609312 angry men is a well made movie but a nonsensical one nevertheless
>>214206093So how are they supposed to talk about the case then? They're not automatons or bureaucrats? Isn't the whole point on getting a jury of peers for them to be bringing a human element to the procedings?Are you not supposed to talk and debate the case in the jury room?I mean what's the point of a jury then anyway.I really doubt some lazybones goober shmuck juror is going to be "by the book" and look at the evidence and testimonies like Spock and calculate exactly the probabilities and truthfulness of everything innately.
God damn this board is tedious
>>214206224sorry it got posted twice, lol
>>214206093You are a sucker
>>214206153how do you even argue with some sweating, deranged, knife wielding retard who thinks "she's an old lady who wanted attention, she wanted her time on the stand" or "i saw indents on his nose from across the room and he had glasses which means he could have never seen nothing" or other such impossible-to-argue vagaries is a valid argument
>>214206247i've been suckling that sweetcream out of your mother to jon bon jovi all night that's for sure. the heifer i calls her
>>214205975today he would have been exonerated as it is in his culture to stab people
Deeply evil, dishonest movie.
>>214206653
us courts require you to just have "reasonable doubt" to find someone not guilty - multiple witnesses lied and the prosecutor lied about the knife being one of a kind, that led to a reasonable level of doubtnot absolute doubt, but reasonable
>>214206715>multiple witnesses liedproof
>>214205975
>>214206027You don't have to prove he didn't do itJust that he reasonably might have not
>>214206064It's not quite that, and it's probably not the atmosphere you're seeking, but "juror no 2" is about a guy ending up on a trial for a murder he committed and trying to manipulate the jury throughout
>>214206653>Amazing how they picked the most hebe/sicilian sandmonkey looking "acceptable white" 3rd gen immigrantIt's the le Leo Frank face.
>>214206860proven to be innocent btw
So if he didn't do it then a man broke into his father's house, stabbed the guy only one time, didn't steal anything from the house and left all in the span of 2 minutes. No motive, no signs of violence or struggle or trespassing. Father just got killed because a wizard did it.
>>214206875It was that fucking nigger who did it
>>214206882I mean I know people that do that all the time
real nigger talk: what are actually the odds of getting picked for jury duty? and will they ever even pick me if my license is expired? i want to help convict a non-white some day
>>214206064They just get the activist judge to replace/threaten jurors until they get the message. Or stack the jury, this has happened numerous times.
>>214206909I know you're lying but let's say a hitman did it because the father was involved with the wrong people. Why was this never brought up in the movie?
>>214206715>>214206801>Kid buys the exact kind of knife used as the murder weapon >Knife shows up stuck in his dead dad he was violently rowing with all the time >The kid conveniently lost the knife he supposedly bought in between the purchase and the murder>This doesn't matter because the knife wasn't the only knife like that in the world This is not reasonable doubt at all. The overlapping coincidences that have to align to create a situation in which the kid did not kill his father collapse the chances down effectively to nothing.
>>214206998> I know you're lyingWhatever helps you sleep at night and keeps you paying taxes.
>>214207000Henry Fonda wandered into a random pawn shop and bought the exact same knife, it wasn't rare.
>>214206028Now that would have been fucking hilarious
>>214207051He was killed by a knife that the kid could reasonably purchase locally.
>>214207140you don't have to prove that someone reasonably could've done something to execute them
>>214205975>1957+68>Idiots still mad about the movie plot>Rather than realising the jury system is fucking retarded bullshit that only medieval Angloids could come up withCommon Law is retarded by design, then got turned twice as dumb thanks to Americans and now you are still grasping at straws, rather than figure out it's the whole system that's just fucked up.
>>214207051He, knowing what the knife looked like already, went out browsing for one and bought it intentionally, but that's not really the nature of the coincidence he's suggesting that by pure random chance, the exact same make of knife out of any other prospective weapon was bought and used to kill the father, in the narrow window between the knife's purchase by the boy and his (also by chance) losing it.If some woman was murdered one night, heard screaming "NO, GUNTHER, DONT DO IT", and the prime suspect was her Uncle Gunther who was visiting that week and only that week, and fearless sleuth Juror 8 showed up with a telephone directory and demonstrated that, in fact that there are a couple other Gunthers in town so the suspect should be let off, everyone would look at him like he was fucking retarded.The knife is a manipulative sleight of hand, the movie first presents an 0 percent chance of innocence, then shifts to something like a 0.1 percent chance and the viewer is supposed to be amazed that a """reasonable""" window of doubt has been blown wide open.
>>214207188because your barely functional country's method of beating the accused to death in the street with rocks and your dirty, brown, sandalled feet is much better, right pablo?
>>214207212Actually, we torture a goat and the sentence is based on how the goat reacts to the pain. literally a flawless system.
Extremely kino and deeply subversiveBack when they could make good propaganda
I guess a knife just manifested right into the man's chest out of thin air. Pack it up, boys. We solved the case. Nobody killed the father. Maybe he killed himself, like Epstein.
Could the knife, perhaps, have been placed in the corpse after the fact using an intricate string pulley system?
Not being able to remember a single fact about the movie you just watched is frankly absurd, execute that kid immediately
>>214207582I can forgive not knowing the actors or the director, but not even remembering the plot? Come the fuck on.
>>214207212No, we have actual set of laws, courts and prisons, not a fucking precedence-based bullshit and random people deciding if you go home free or spend 30 years in private-owned work camp.
>>214207582he was...le shocked
>>214205975>black and white garbage
>the kid's defense did a poor job that means he didn't get a fair trial and that we should acquitLiterally hasn't happened once IRL. It's pure fiction.
>>214206875>>214206892The fact that those racist-ass KKK cracker rednecks would rather hang Leo than a black man proves that he was guilty.
>>214206153You debate over evidence presented. You can't speculate or suggest a witness is lying since it's not evidentiary. They lay out the guidelines in the juror handbook. Yes, you are expected to actually follow rules of deliberation since it's the best course instead of, "Well, I just didn't like what the juror said."
>>214208273not just a black man, a poor, unmarried black man, this over the wealthy high society Leo.
>>214208273the KKK had nothing to do with his lynching
I saw 12 Angry Men when I was 15 years old at the local cinema. It was my first date with my highschool sweetheart, who is now my loyal asian wife (She's originally from taiwan but I like to think of her as an asian woman). I didn't remember a thing of the movie back then so every 10 year anniversary we rewatch it and try to respark that firstdate-vibe and it works everytime. I still have no clue what the films about other than some smug getting killed for some money or whatever it was.
>>214207582He was in a state of shock brought on by (not) murdering his father you see. You must acquit!
>It’s not weird that the young man couldn’t remember the name of the movie he watched about 2 hours after he saw it. I bet YOU can’t even remember the name of the movie you saw last week!How was this comparable, remotely
>>214205975>random guy exploiting personal biases of the responsible adults makes them vote against punishing a racial minority killerTopical.
>>214209540This was the movie, give him a break.
>What if...every single witness was retarded and also racist and also blind and also part of illuminati?!
>Deliberately misunderstood a movie to align better with his political values again award
>>214209540He also never resolves the “no one working at the theater saw him there” point, just hopes they conveniently forget about it with his reddit gotcha moments. This nigga wanted to watch the world burn.
>>214205975>be me, public defender>client murdered his dad with a knife>client was spotted fleeing from the murder scene by an old guy>client was also seen committing the murder from across the tracks by a woman>client has no alibi and the one he presented to the cops was obviously fake (went to the theatre for 4+ hours but couldn't remember what he saw, had no tickets, and nobody working there recognized him)>do my job anyway because I'm a diligent lawyer even as a public defender>the pawn shop guy had only seen this model of knife once before, and my client is a retard who bought it ON THE DAY OF THE MURDER and then "lost it" between buying it and the murder of his father using an identical knife>that's no defense, no jury is that retarded>look into the witnesses>hmm the guy is pretty old, could he have moved that quickly to the front door?>ask a few old folks in my life to do a quick jog over that distance, as if they've just heard a murder>yeah they can all do it very easily, but maybe this old guy can't, I'll look into him more>fuck, he's very athletic and still regularly goes for jogs>alright what about that woman across the road, let me check her interview>hmm the detective notes that she wears glasses, let me look into that>turns out she only needs glasses for reading, but she's a librarian so she wears them basically all the time anyway, her long-distance vision is perfect>fuck, I'm screwed, there's no defense for this shithead>old guy shows up and gives excellent testimony, he's got a bit of a limp after he tripped over on the courthouse stairs, feel bad for the old guy>woman from across the tracks isn't wearing her glasses today, she looks nice>do my best in court but I can't wipe the look of obvious defeat off my face>jury heads off>takes HOURS for some reason in an open-and-shut>Not Guilty>what>one of the jurors tells me I'm a shit lawyer and should have defended the obviously innocent man better>WHAT
Its better to let 10 guilty people go then to convict one innocent person.
The sad reality is that eye witnesses don't constantly get caught lying. Trials are really boring
>>214206064>apparently it must work something like that with how often it happens in realityThat's not really how it happens. It happens more like this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUJCLdmNzAA&t=150sThe jury can also come back with a "guilty" verdict and then the judge sentences the armed robber to 2 weeks probation (time served)or lets the guy who is on body camera attempting to stab civilians and police out on $200 bail
>>214209656>STOP BEING HECKIN MEDIA ILLITERATE
Heard a lawyer say once that with this amount of evidence, the only explanations are that he did it or was framed
>>214209540He clearly couldn't have gone to the movie theater because he didn't mention any girlfriend that went with him
>>214205975This (great) movie shows why decent legal systems don't use a jury
>>214209722Unironically yes.
>>214207051>Suspect threatened to murder someone loud enough for everyone in the building to hear it>Suspect went to a gun store and bought a gen 4 glock 20>On the same day suspect bought the gen 4 glock 20, the person he threatened to murder is killed by a gen 4 glock 20 that was left at the scene.>One witness, who knows the suspect personally, saw the suspect commit the murder>Another witness, who also knows the suspect personally, saw the suspect fleeing from the scene>Suspect is arrested and provides the alibi "I was at the movies" but nobody at the movies remembers seeing him, nor can the suspect tell you anything about the movies he claims he just saw less than 4 hours ago>Suspect claims he lost the gen 4 glock 20 between purchasing it and his arrest>Anon decides that since a gen 4 glock 20 is not completely unique, there is reasonable doubt and the suspect must be found "not guilty"You are retarded
>>214209812>who knows the suspect personallyDid she? I don't remember that
>>214209656The movie can simultaneously be a powerful parable and also completely ridiculous and farcical if treated seriously, medialiteracyjeet.
Today if a son kills his father the son probably had some kind of mental problems, back in the 50s the dad was probably an asshole. I assumed they just felt bad for the kid
>>214209823They lived across the street from each other, and this was the time when even in New York you at least had a passing familiarity with the people living directly next to you and directly across from you, even in the shitty parts of town.
>>214209656
I liked that this movie felt like a stage production. But yeah Fonda's character is obviously a "uhm akchually have you tried being rational?" Mary Sue
It’s funny to watch the movie thinking that Henry Fonda’s character knows the kid did it and he’s just being evil and trying to get him back out for the keks.
>>214207582He could later, he just couldn't remember when the cops were interrogating him right next to his dead dad
>>214209928>he could remember it later after his lawyer looked up the movies for him
Every piece of evidence was a little loose individually but taken together, i mean fucking come on. >couldn’t remember any movie details AND he had an identical switchblade to the murder weapon AND he lost that switchblade the same night his father was stabbed AND an eyewitness saw him stab the father AND an eyewitness saw the kid flee moments after his father screamed AND the boy was physically abused by his father AND he screamed “I’m gonna kill you” the same night his father was killed
>>214209666KekWhere's the comedy sequel about the long-suffering defense lawyer who has to fight for his career because a diva juror brainwashes the rest into letting off his clearly guilty client
>>214210000Checked but didn't read
>people always think they're talking about a black kid>but it's really one of them filthy puerto ricans
>>214210014YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT BROWNOIDS LIVING IN THE GHETTO, MY FATHER WAS A RICH WHITE CLOCKMAKER FROM SWITZERLAND AND THEREFORE YOU ARE WRONG AND I WIN
>>214209666>next week the public defender is assigned to the same bloodthirsty murderous kid is arrested for murder again, who was raving mad, drenched in blood and hauled into the courthouse screaming “I DID IT AND I’LL FUCKING DO IT AGAIN!”>whew, at least he’s going away this time. >Henry Fonda strolls into the jury box again with a mischievous glint in his eye
>>214209750>the prosecution calls the next witness
>>214210121kek
I was on a jury once about some nigger that beat the shit out of his white girlfriend. There was literally no evidence against the dude and I made the argument for about fifteen minutes but everyone just wanted to go home or go back to work. It was a full jury of women of course except for a couple others. One girl was crying because she was afraid once this guy got out of prison he was going to hunt her down for voting guilty. I told her don't worry as soon as he gets out of prison he's going to go kill this bitch prosecuting him you'll be fine. Should have saw the look on her face lmao.
>b-but how could he not remember the movie when he ordered the tickets online and reserved his seat?????Before psycho theaters ran [whatever] on a loop open to close with newsreels periodically. You bought a ticket, walked into a dark theater with a movie in progress, stayed as long as you wanted, and left when you wanted.
I wish that my wife’s parents would be murdered (and have nothing to do with me) so that we could get the inheritance earlier and that I would be looked at as the prime suspect and brought in for interrogation so that I could use all the tips and tricks I’ve learned watching videos on YouTube to show my innocence and make the detectives feel silly for even suspecting me.
>>214208273no it proves they were jewish
>>214206093Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable. Then again, so is most forensics.
>>214210190If I ever get on jury duty and the defendant is non-white I’m voting guilty no matter what even if he was innocent.
>>214208273>>214208470KKK didn't lynch him, just regular citizens who got together after the judge took away the death penalty after Judeo-Yankees bribed the judge to do so. Citizens carried out the original sentence, not the KKK. The jews who bribed the judge founded the ADL in response.
>>214210280I was honestly amazed when he interrogated the glasses dude and asked him to name the two main features and one additional movie that all played on the same night. Going to the kinoplex used to be a whole day's entertainment, apparently
>>214210434Even if the other side was a coal burning whore?
>>214206156I really want to know why you're here, what you expect from a tv discussion board. Is it the topic that bothers you? Or the way the conversation is going. Please, I want to know.Because you can leave for Reddit anytime.
>>214210678Women cannot legally be criminals, their brains aren't developed enough
>>214207582If you spend any amount of time on /tv/ you'll actually find that it's extremely common.
>>214209812That’s a spurious argument anon. The prosecution made it a point to stress the uniqueness of the knife. Henry Fonda wouldn’t have cared about the knife at f it wasn’t one of the key reasons they were sending this kid to his death
>>214210317Nigga gon confess to crimes he didn’t commit without realizing it then get railroaded into a plea deal
>Thread of people who clearly only learned about the law by watching Balldo drunkenly rant about it Yawn
>>214206653I think they wanted to have a jew. They even got the quincey guy "coming from the slums".
>>214211145Hard to act superior when you’re name dropping ecelebs like any actual person knows or care who they are
>>214211178It's always funny when you're discussing some movie (especially one like this that has been posted on /tv/ for years and years) and some random underaged retard comes in to shout YOU ALL JUST KNOW ABOUT THIS MOVIE BECAUSE GOATFUCKER999 MADE A VIDEO ABOUT IT
>lets a murderous non-white go in hopes of killing more non-whitesracist piece of shit
>>214206093The problem is Juror 8 held a whole new trial in the backroom introducing new evidence and theories that hadn't been talked about in the court room with no party acting as opposition or being given a chance to actually challenge his theories. He brings in a copy of the knife that was supposedly unique as key evidence that anyone could've done the crime - how are the jury supposed to know it's a credible piece of evidence? How do they know the knife wasn't unique AT THE TIME but has since been sold en masse? How do they know that the old man couldn't move fast if he wanted to, they just assume he hobbled down the stairs and there was never a chance for a prosecutor to disprove or challenge it.Instead #8 held the room hostage, coerced the jurors into holding a new backroom trial which neither the defense nor prosecution had knowledge of, introduced new uncleared evidence and theories that couldn't be properly challenged or addressed, all over the course of a few hours when everyone was exhausted.In actuality these jurors would go back in, declare Not Guilty to everyone's shock, go home and have a sleep, and once rested and free of group coercion at least one or two would talk to the judge and explain they had held a second trial. And if one hadn't, a few of the jurors would be getting shit on by friends and family for "letting the little spic killer back on the streets" and they'd spill the beans about #8s little secret trial and word would get back to the State anyways. The verdict wouldn't be reversed, but #8 would likely see some jail time and the whole proceeding would become a scandal.
>>214206875It was the one armed man I tell you!
>>214211419>m-maybe they only started mass-producing this knife after the murder happenedok champ
>>214206882>>214206909
>>214211419The problem is you’re an ESL who doesn’t understand court proceedings. It’s not that jurors aren’t allowed to “introduce evidence,” it’s that they literally can’t. It’s a process between the judge and attorney’s for the sake of the court record. Jury deliberations are not part of the trial record.
>>214210190>no evidencewhat about the victim, you think she just randomly got beaten up and decided not to get her actual attacker in jail, but to frame her bf?
>>214211560This. Fucking believe women, chud
>>214210317best trick is to say nothing. I think it looks super suspicious so Im gonna say only something im 100% sure like "yeah I went to work at 9, came back at 6"
>>214207212Um aschually the Native Americans like, already had the best system figured out before the white man came along and destroyed their beautiful and vibrant culture, like, they'd bring the accused before a collective of wise men and learned village women in the chiefs longhouse or tent and the family of both sides would like - be there? And like the accused would explain what happened in his words, and then like some witch would take a bunch of ayahuasca while the village collectively molested the kids and they'd decide the accused fate based on the drug induced ramblings of the witch and how many kids cried. It really was like a totally beautiful and natural justice system.But people aren't ready to start talking about alternatives to a style of antiquated justice that's been used since the most learned society in history ever introduced it. BECAUSE IT'S WHITE.
>>214211599>best trick is to say nothing>very next sentence is him explaining how he would say many things but those don't count for some reason
>>214210471It was organized by some local Gentlemen's club
>>214211599>we checked the logs at your place of employment and you clocked in at 9:05 so that's five minutes you can't account for
>>214211619You can check those things and confirm that im innocent
>>214206991majority of cases are boring bullshit that went to jury trial for no reason
>>214211260Pft, don't even try to act like you don't even know who GOATFUCKER999 is unc. Dude has 1.4 million subscribers ON YOUTUBE and consistently gets 700k+ views a video. And EVERYONE knows about his beef with Lil Zesty about Emiliy Juanquestro. Don't even pretend like that's nobody boomerboy.
>>214211799kek this was literally my jury duty>usual suspect drove their car into a gas station to steal the atm>ran over the clerk while doing so>"It wassa me yo honorness!">trial is his tuned out lawyer constantly saying shit like "Okay well you picked the defendant out of a book of photos, but you admit there is a possibility be someone else?" with each witness saying no while the lawyer was already walking back to his seat >usual suspect shouting out "THAT AN ME" during the numerous security footage and photos taken of him and his car from security cams and traffic cams>literally everyone knows he's guilty>we joke about how long we have to deliberate to get a free meal but literally everyone votes guilty within 10 minutes of the door being shut>usual suspect gets 10-20 Probably cost 10-20 million for the few weeks of trial shit.
>>214211326He was only killing within his own group though. Juror 8 was a patriot, he was trying to make them all get rid of each other.
>>214205975hyperjurisprudencially, it made way too much sense to let him go. live and let live.
>>214211907Did you get a free meal
>>214209704or the eternal favorite, prosecutor declines to pursue charges
Heeeeellllooooooooooooo IIIIvvvvvvaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!
>>214211907whas the suspect italian-jewish, white or poc?
>>214212087>"It wassa me yo honorness!"He was Amish obviously
>the average person is now convinced that anything short of having the entire crime recorded on video along with a handwritten confession equals reasonable doubt Fuck this movie.
>The Female had the same markings on her face as you do As i noticed from the juror stand i was sitting at possible at an angle while she was supposedly wearing heavy amounts of makeup for the camerasLET MY NIGGA FREE HE INNOCENT THE WITNESS COULDN'T SEE NUFFIN
>>214212378just her story about seeing the murder across the street through the windows of a passing train is enough to call bullshit
>>214205975Holy shit dude. I just realized that is the spitting image of Leo Frank. Kikes are absolutely ridiculous lmao
