Windu was an arrogant, self absorbed uppity space nigger>He royally screwed up Geonosis>He openly showed pure distain for a nine year old child >He refused to believe Qui-Gon about the Sith>He attempted to arrest the Supreme Chancellor without a warrant or Senatorial authorization>He attempted to assassinate the Supreme Chancellor >He left a big squishy mess on the sidewalk after the Chancellor threw him out of his office >He gave Emperor Palpatine the justication to make the jedi extinctWhy are Black characters always portrayed so negatively?
>>214207319Showing open disdain for some faggot kid is based though, redditor
>>214207334Just like your parents did to you?
>>214207319>Why are Black characters always portrayed so negatively?People have made similar complaints about Lando: "Oh the one and only black character was a traitor!" But Lando switches sides before the film is over, and his story parallels Han's story, starting out as a selfish scoundrel and then going over to the Rebellion. Lando is made to look no worse than Han. As for Mace Windu, I'd remind you that he appears alongside Anakin Skywalker the school shooter and his creepy, ambiguously gay mentor Palpatine. Does Windu look better or worse than those white characters?
>>214207319Windu is dindu', 'nuff said
>>214207319His character was meant to be seen in a negative light, he was symbolic of the corruption within the jedi and the republic
>>214208495Trve.
>>214207490I'd argue Lando stood to lose much more than Han at the beginning of ANH. He had his people at Cloud City held hostage by the Empire.
>>214208945Why didn't he just zap him before Anakin helped
>>214208495>>214208945Mace Dindu who went through the Windu.
>>214207319The entire Jedi order was filled with faggots. The only exception was Quigon and Obiwan. And Obiwan turned into a faggot after Quigon's death because he was easily influenced by authority. I truly believe Lucas wanted to subtly portray the order as a kind of bureaucratic, extrajudicial deep state that the force wanted to correct. They had too much unchecked power that they maintained with the threat of force. And that's why they were resistant to Anakin. They believed the force didn't need balance.
>>214208495>>214207490>>214208861>>214208945Arrogant, stiff upper lip, and a superiority complex. Windu and Obi wan spoke at length in Attack of the Clones about Hubris in the younger Jedi when they suffered the same flaw, at least Windu did.Not for himself but for the order of the Jedi. Windu saw the Jedi as some kind of flawless entity. An incorruptible group of peace keepers. Even Anakin, a wild card, although Palpatine's friend, because he's a part of the Jedi, in especially the council, then he's kinda infallible. Bonkers I know. But remember Attack of the Clones when Amadala suspected Dooku, and all but immediately Windu says, you're mistaken my lady, it's not in his character.
>>214209658Based Lucas showing us that young men without a positive father figure (in this case Qui-Gon for Anakin) end up becoming criminals or worse.
>>214207319>He attempted to arrest the Supreme Chancellor without a warrant or Senatorial authorizationThis is a niche take, but this is honestly the best reason for the Jedi being a bad thing. They're theocratic warriors.In the real world, I wouldn't fucking LIKE a Satanist, for example, but it's not an excuse to just outright murder them or arrest them. It's not just the Sith the Jedi kill on sight either, they treat every force tradition other than their own as something that needs to be obliterated, and they're above the law when they do it.Unironically, the Jedi did need to be ousted. Slaughtering younglings may have been a bridge too far, but the order itself definitely had to go.
>>214209658>>214209708Qui-gon would have in time freed Shmee Skywalker. Since he would be unable to directly train Anakin he would need a bulwark, that would have been Shmee. They would have become Qui-Gon's adjuncts.
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>>214208945Why would you wait for someone to chop off a mans hand before you electrocuted him out the window?
>>214209898I recall there being a bit in the episode 3 novel where windu decides to try to arrest palpatine privately because the public outcry would endanger the republic and he genuinely loved the republic. Genuine reverence for an earthly institution is something a true jedi shouldn't have felt since the jedi are meant to follow the will of the force above all else. Being peacekeepers and guardians of the republic was meant to be a sidegig but over time the loyalties of the jedi became blurred.
>>214210408meant for >>214209687
>>214209898>They're theocratic warriors. Yeah they drone on and on about democracy but they're the only political organization that operates entirely outside of the democratic process. It would be like seal team 6 deciding they no longer take orders and they openly ran around and killed whoever they wanted when they weren't meddling in politics. And nobody can say shit because their weird superpower religion means they can compress and implode your head with their mind.
>>214210479Exactly.It's just fundamentally anti-democratic, and it's obviously absurd to try and have a republic with rule-of-law, and also there's a religious cult that's above the law and can do whatever the way. They jedi and civil governance are just mutually incompatible.
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>>214207319>He openly showed pure distain for a nine year old childlots of people hate kids
>>214209687
>>214207319More importantly: Who were/are the Jews in Star Wars? (Aside from Disney, I mean IN the movies)
>>214210408>>214210428You're quite right, the Jedi became bureaucratic, and enforces when they were suppose to ascertain the will of the force. They claimed they didn't fight wars only they did. They were hypocrites.
>>214210621Windu is literally the personification of the belief that my organization is above all else in its infallibility. What a DUMB ASS!
>>214207319HE IS THE TRAITOR AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
>>214209898>>214210479Before the Clone wars began the Jedi didn't get involved in the Republic's politics beyond following the dictates of the senate and the chancellor, they were widely recognized as mostly an a-political organization, its the war that changed things.The war was in essence a civil war within the Republic, yet the Jedi order which should have been a neutral institution on such matters clearly took a side and their members became literal military leaders with ranks such as general.
>>214210621>the story is an analogy for how a democracy becomes a dictatorship >makes argument for why the military elite should depose a chancellor and take power>or how a military elite should save a "democracy" that is secretly already a dictatorship>doesn't do enough research/thinking to realize the inherent flaws in the concept of democracy and every histrorical iteration of democracy and use this opportunity to showcase the corruption of our current system>nah, patriot act = Hitler's emergency powersPeak boomer brain
>>214210762But let's go back to the will of the Force for a moment and why was it only Qui-Gon, a pariah, seemingly saw it clearly when the others didn't or couldn't? At no time did they try to glean the scriptures of the Whills, and use as much future sight to see the path. They heard Qui-Gon's suggestion, became sour faced, and immediately sent him BY HIMSELF, into what was, potentially at least, A Sith Trap!It was as they were openly punishing Qui-Gon for suggesting Anakin was the chosen because one of the council hadn't found him first..
>>214208945Look how much pleasure and smugness he derives from killing an unnarmed man.
>>214210762>>214210876Sith hadn't been seen in a thousand years; Was it just the one, was it two, what if they threw out that rule and decided on a gaggle of Sith Lords? Yoda and the council after Qui-Gon's belief that Anakin was the chosen one became so sour faced they were like, Nah, it'll be fine, back to the Sith Trap you go, and take that kid with you.
>>214210621>we're gonna depose the democratically elected chancellor because... he's of the wrong religion and we don't like himAh, the noble good guys at play.
>>214210902His force martial art involves enjoying anger and killing but not going over the edge into suffering.
>>214210876That's because Qui-Gon was one of the few proper ie will of the force following Jedi left while the council and most of the order had grown complacent and spiritually decadent and failed to understand the gravity of the situation.Also I think Palpatine used some dark side ability to make any long term future predictions cloudy at that point or something, so the Jedi could only count on their own judgement, which didn't turn out to be very sound with oafs like Windu leading the council.
>called windu>dies by flying out the windowbravo lucas
>>214209658Thats bot subtelty, thats the clear and blatant intent>>21421077>doesnt get itIts an indictment of democracy’s inability to prevent imperialism
>>214211193For >>214210778
>>214211110Palpatine did but Yoda of all people should have asked, when was the last time used the prophecy we did? Around 30 years ago, Master Yoda. Then look we must at any anomalous appearances or people within our sphere, and some of you journey with Qui-Gon in case this is a trap. Master Yoda, 30 years ago Manpower sent Senator Palpatine. Oh!!!! And Today's Oh face has to be like the one in the picrel
>>214211259*Naboo sent Senator Palpatine
>>214210621>the jedi will have to control the senate to secure a peaceful transitionLiterally whyDo they not have procedures for chancellors to step down already>the senate passes a motion calling a new election>palpy does... what?If he starts a military coup, then there's no question of "the jedi started it" and you presumably get civil war, or I guess the clones are just mind controlled or whatever
Nooooo I hate all of this boring politics and world building and shades of gray and nuance!!! I wanted to see PEW PEW! PLANET GO BOOM! LIGHTSABER SZZHT SZZHT! HELP ME MIIIIIIKE
>>214211338>the jedi will have to control the senate to secure a peaceful transition>Literally why, do they not have procedures for chancellors to step down alreadyMaybe the new emergency powers of the chancellor and the still present state of war complicated things or maybe the council just didn't trust the senate enough and wanted to ensure that the chancellor wouldn't be immediately acquitted by a senate vote or something.
>>214211495Me personally, I'd be fine with politics and world building if it weren't retarded, shitty politics and world building.The problem isn't that it's there, the problem is that it's fucking bad and doesn't make any sense.
>>214210992>good guys at play.They are in-universe. And they're doing nothing wrong until Dindu tries to kill a defenceless Sidious.
>>214211598We all know you just wanted a remake of 4/5/6 and you got it with Disney
>>214207319Genuinely no one caresStar Wars was, is and will forever be shit
>>214212163Just like your life
>>214210087Maybe sheev should've turned down the voltage a bit so it won't screw his face
>>214211338>>214210621Are you talking about the same Senate that declared Palpy emperor later that evening?
>>214213283The people welcomed the Empire They were sick of constant war and corruption and allowing a religious group to represent their interests
>>214213356Sick why? They weren't fighting in the war, it was fought by clones. Their ships, their weapons and equipment was paid for by Sifo-Dyas, so it's not like their space taxes went towards it. They were not killing separatists with legitimate grievanances - they were killing space robots, space bugs whom no one considers human and evil aliens with names like General Grievous. And it's not like they wanted to be done with the war, because the chancellor (who was the symbol of the war) was elected Emperor. And what did the jedi do wrong, again, that necessiated wholesale slaughter - down to child... Sorry, George, younglings?Now the british were tired of war. That's why Churchill was done the moment it ended, and he didn't manage to ride his wave of popularity to Operation Unthinkable and maybe crowning himself Emperor.
