OOOH (THE) MASSAH
show ended with 12’s last episode. everything after is not canon.
>>214263191Jesus being black is canon?
Angela Raynor cameo when?
>>214263191The show ended with Martha. Everything after that season has been completely soulless.
>>214263294Okay but I liked the Tate season and the special moobies
>>214262387So like is the show over or what
>>214263411the circus must continue
>>214263411>Disney has said they aren't gonna make a renewal decision until after the spin off has aired>No official air date for the spin off yet >RTD has been saying things like "Doctor Who isn't my legacy" and that he doesn't know what's happening with the show>Moffat said that the "Billie Piper stuff" was a Hail Mary and they dont even know if she's the proper Doctor Who>The BBC have said very vague comments about the show continuing if Disney pulls out (which everyone assumes they will)>These comments are very carefully worded and could just mean that the old episodes stay on their streaming service>Even if the show continues (unlikely) then they won't be able to start filming until 2026 at the earliest, which means no show until 2027 at the very earliest Its over
>>214262387Scott Adkins …IS…The Doctor
>>214263191Show ended with Tennant.
>>214262387>regenerates >suddenly has diabetes and bad kneesKind of disappointing that the woke era did so poorly. I would’ve loved seeing the Doctor regenerate and suddenly be sitting in a wheelchair that spawned out of nowhere and also have vitiligo.
>>214263411It's like Schrodinger's cat, it's dead to anyone with common sense but somehow still alive and coming back soon to the few coping fans left
Someone greentext the newest season for me so I can have a laugh.
>>214264114>Black>Black+Gay!>Woke!>LGBQT vs. CHUDS!>White men bad!>White women=Black property.>Don't like it?INCEL!
>>214263411I hope so. Then in 20 years after culture has stabilised it can be rebooted again.
>>214264370Lore has been damaged irreparably. Show can only be rebooted if everything after 2017 is explicitly retconned and there is some clause preventing any showrunner from undoing that retcon. Otherwise, show should stay dead.
>>214263191Show’s last high watermark was Heaven Sent. It’s been a phenomenal downward spiral since.
>>214264114>Black gay Doctor goes to Planet of the Incels where new companion, Belinda's ex boyfriend is a robot king. Black gay Doctor turns him into a sperm and does a high kick>Black gay Doctor battles an evil cartoon in 1950s America. He also appears in the real world for a bit and meets three Doctor Who fans>Black gay Doctor goes to a planet and there's a monster. It turns out its the monster from "Midnight" (even tho it acts completely differently)>Episode about previous companion Ruby. She meets a white guy who turns out to be an evil conspiracy theorist. Black gay Doctor appers at the end and tells him that he'll die alone in a prison>Black gay Doctor goes to get a haircut in Lagos. The Barber is an African God who is defeated but redeemed. The Fugitive Doctor appears in one scene for no reason other than she is Black too>Black gay Doctor and Belinda go to the Space Eurovision song contest. A genocide survivor tries to kill everyone there. Black gay Doctor sees a vision of Susan (actual actress) when he is near death. He then tortures the genocide survivor (who is a white man ofc). Someone sings a song then the tardis explodes to set up the finale or something >A mystery box old lady has been appearing in episodes from the start of Black gay Doctor's era. Turns out she's the Rani (you remember her right?). The Rani bigenerates into a middle aged Indian woman >The finale starts in a shit alternative world where the two Ranis and Ruby's white evil ex boyfriend are in charge of the world (they used a magic baby or something, who cares). Nobody is allowed to be gay in this world and every woman must be a mother. Black gay Doctor slowly realises he is gay and then confronts the Indian Rani. She says that did all this to bring Omega back (you remember him dont you?)>A woman from the Xmas special saves the Black gay Doctor offscreen. Belinda is in a cupboard for the whole episode. Omega returns briefly as a big CGI skeleton and eats the Rani
I heard that Disney official canonised the black doctor seasons as seasons 1 and 2I also heard that they brought back Donna Noble to imply she now has a trans MTF child called RoseOOFand people call people schizo when they say corporations deliberately destroy beloved IPs
>>214264563>The episode starts wrapping up at 60% of the runtime. Black gay Doctor and Belinda's child (a black girl from that Space Babbies episode) disappears. Ruby remembers her for some reason. Then the Black gay Doctor uses regeneration like a lightning bolt or something which brings the baby back. Belinda is then forced to be a single mother. Black gay Doctor then goes off the regenerate for some reason. He says "it was a joy" and then turns in Billie Piper This is all 100% true
I just miss her so much...
I tried watching some multi-hour long Doctor Who hate reviews on youtube, but the only ones I saw were creepy lefties who mocked the idea of pointing out agendasYet one of them spent an hour criticising how the episode Kerblam did not critique capitalism, and how it was out of character for the Doctor to love the delivery corporation
>>214264722The fanbase got infested with troons and fags during the Matt Smith era. As the show got shitter they were the only ones to stick around. Sad
>>214264820Well Matt Smith era was clearly written for that Tumblr stereotype that loves dorky lulrandom "genius" men, and stupid love trianglesBut even these people now make 5 hour video essays on how shit Doctor Who is, even if they avoid the elephant in the room
>>214264887le zoom brain that tumblr stereotype hadn’t fomented yet. How could it be written for the Superwholock crowd when they didn’t yet form? Nah it was written for Moffat to smell his own farts. Boomers didn’t even know what tumblr was
>>214264964You're wrong thereI literally lived through it, my cousin was a tumblr user, I was a doctor who fan, and I got to see the overlap of bothyeah that stereotype loved Matt Smith, what the fuck are you talking about boomers for?
>>214264820>All the Classic Doctors were actually secretly gayI really hate this kind of reevaluating of old media. Its so insidious
>>214263264>meh council sed this is meh family tardis
>>214265024It wasn’t written for the stereotype though is what I was saying >I lived through itNigga I was literally drawing Matt smith Yaoi on an askblog in 2011
>>214265082Okay I see what you're sayingYou just mean that it wasn't a two-way thing, the doctor who writers (boomers) didn't know about their obnoxious tumblr fanbaseBut I also disagree with that, tumblr folk used to get loud, doctor who had conventions, and doctor who writers usually keep an ear to the group because they love to parody real thingsThey parodied internet culture sometimes too, I'm sure they had a couple of brony referencesWhen those BBC writers made Sherlock or Matt Smith completely naked for a quirky scene, they know exactly who they are pleasing
>>214263191Show ended with the TV movie.
>>214264887David Tennant years were written for the MySpace/early YouTube crowd who loved shipping and making Linkin Park AMV's
>>214265357Christopher Eccleston year was written for the Friendster and Pets.com crowd
>>214263264will she play a slumlord?
>>214263191Ended the moment they blacked Clara
>>214265357>>214265458I agree that just because to things shared the same era does not mean they have anything to do with each otherBut the difference is that the Matt Smith era and Tumblr are strongly correlated. You agree that tumblr-type people loved Matt Smith, you agree that this community was loud and obnoxious, yet you aren't willing to believe that the BBC was aware of these people and leant towards them?The BBC monitored fan reactions, and the production team knew Tumblr, LiveJournal, and later Twitter were hotbeds of activity. Moffat in interviews often spoke about "the fans on the internet" sometimes defensively, sometimes teasingly. Writers and actors attended Comic Con and other events where the online fandom spilled over into real life.It wasn’t like RTD era (2005–2009) which mostly saw discussion on forums and LiveJournalMoffat’s team came in at the moment where Tumblr culture was defining mainstream geek fandom, and Moffat leant into it
>"""fans""" (I use that term loosely): BRING BACK DAVID TENNANT HE WAS THE ONLY GOOD DR WHO!>they bring him back, grizzled, bogged, and Kramer-esque>he gets told that male-presenting Time Lords would never understand the power of women and transwomen >he simply makes this faceThey got what they wanted; did they not?
>>214265739technically he himself is trans and has been a woman before
It was very strange to end the show with the doctor cucking ruby sunday only to find out he himself was a cuck and belinda's baby wasn't his
Should I even bother with Dr Whoman? I think I just stopped watching during Capaldi's first season back in the day, not because I didn't like it or anything, I just kinda forgot about it.
>>214265739>and you could have it all>my empire of dirt
>>214266021Capaldi himself makes a good doctor, but he has shitty writersI think one of the best episodes of all time is a Capaldi episode (Heaven Sent), shows how good it could be if there wasn't retarded diversity hire side characters
>>214265522Productions didn’t rengage with their internet fanbase on an intimate level until the post-2013 parasocial corporate brand account boon really. I remember MLP being the first of its kind to try and they instantly fucked it up by doing le ableism and referring to the retard pony as the fan-naming of “derpy hooves”. I think I remember reading about Matt Smith being confused by how young and female his fanbase skewed when he was doing the convention circuits.
>>214262387if it weren't for British citizens forced to fund this shit through Stasi-like levels of government intimidation and bullying into buying TV licenses, this show would have died a long time ago.
>>214266021If you feel the need to finish the Capaldi era, just watched Series 9 and then skip to the finale of Series 10. The rest isn't really worth it. Capaldi is based though
>>214264425I think if they do continue it, they may have a second time war as the ending to make rebooting later easierHowever instead of this second war being contained in the past, it happens in the future and causes the heat death of the universe, which results in the events of Utopia
>>214266183I thought Disney owned it now
>>214264563How in the fuck are new viewers supposed to be able to follow any of this continuity soup? I thought the D+ era was supposed to be a clean entry point. Not something that only autists who have been following the lore for 60 years can make sense of. No wonder the ratings are awful.
>>214263916McCoy
>>214266066>>214266197Yeah. I remember liking him a lot. But it's been a while. I guess I'll just pretend they stopped making any more seasons once he's gone. Thanks.
>>214266334I've been watching 13th Doctor episodes in the background while I workedTo be honest, they are just annoying, but sometimes they are intentionally funnyThere was a scene with a black woman being arrested by Judoon police, and she violently resists arrests and says it was her instinct
>>214263294>46 year old Freema vs 42 year old Billie
>>214266372i presume you meant unintentionally funny
>>214266478yes sorryI never proofread anything
>>214263916t.
>>214264643We all miss the best female companion..
>>214265026The 6th Doctor is absolutely gay.
>>214266197The Pilot and Extremis are kino.
>>214266900Rose? Don't worry they brought her back and better than ever
>>214268172Bill > Rose
>>214268232Whenever I think of "Bill" I picture her retarded surprised smile, especially that face she made after being told Jesus was black
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>>214266610Was this deleted?
>>214268419Ah, so this line was a reference. I thought it felt out of place in the episode but it makes sense now.
>>214266900Yeah, Sarah Jane is unbeatable
>>214268468Yes, but here's something even betterhttps://tardis.wiki/wiki/Peter_Griffin
>>214268811Clara > Sarah Jane
>>214266293>I thought the D+ era was supposed to be a clean entry point.There's two possibilities. One, RTD went mad with power, assuming everything he touched would be gold. Two, the "clean entry point" stuff was a lie, because the real intention was to hook viewers with continuity references that would lead new viewers to binge older Who on Disney+.
>>214266293I've been watching for over 20 yeats and I don't understand it. It's completely unapproachable to a new viewer
>>214269252But then Disney+ doesn't even have old who or nuwho from 2005-2022
Dead franchise
>>214263881Bringing David back was already desperate, and bringing Billie back is even more so
>>214266021Capaldi's era really needs you to watch the rest of nuwho to enjoy it, you need to watch classic to truly appreciate it.
>>214266293>thought the D+ era was supposed to be a clean entry point.that was a lie, they only said that to make Disney happy because they wanted "Season 1" of Doctor Who, not Season 16 or whatever it would have been.
>>214262387The biggest downfall of Doctor Who is toxic positivity. And I argue a huge part of that came from the goddamn system of the Showrunner writing half of the fucking stories. There weren't people in the writing and editing room who said no. This is how we ended up with shit like Space Babies ans the Pro Corporation Genociding people episodes. You have writers patting themselves on the back. "Oh I did such a great job making Donna's daughter trans. I'm going to have her not do anything for the rest of the two seasons, she's gonna disappear because Conrad made all trans people cease to exist, and then I'll have Belinda say that every trans person being dead is okay as ling as she gets to keep her fake baby. That won't upset the fans."They basically replicated everything wrong with the live action Snow White movie, resulting in a show that became racist and homophobic from the far left. The Horseshoe theory essentially. Black villians get a chance of redemption while most (not all cause of Conrad) white villians are killed or punished. Entire episodes are dedicated to trying to highlight race or disabilities instead of treatong those cast members like regular fucking people. Story messgaes become far less thoughtful. Instead of showing how bad racism can be, the show just bluntly states it is without any thought provoking story to pair with the message. Compare Dot and Bubble to Rememberance of the Daleks to see what I mean regarding the message of race. I pray to god three things happen1. RTD and the other three fucks are sacked2. Doctor Who is made to be more for adults. Fuck making it a children's show3. A public apology for fucking Ncuti Gatwa over so much
>>214272495Dot and Bubble is such a confusing one too because if it was written for 11 in mind then the message was "zoomer phone kids are stupid" but somehow it became "RACISMMMM THEY HATE THE DOCTOR CAUSE HE BLACK NOW"
>>214272942How would they have ended it for 11?
>>214273126Probably the same way but without the "actually the zoomer kids are racists"RTD said he pitched the episode during when Matt Smith was the Doctor
>>214272942Let me fix Dot and Bubble>Concept still same at start. Planet is pretty vain about themselves>No fucking slugs. Instead there's a mysterious illness that's starting to spread on the planet>The ai/robot villian creates deepfake videos of deceased victims saying "I found a way to cure it">Unregulated misinformation spreads like wildfire, killing more of the population off>Doctor isn't trusted because he's an alien. Neither is Ruby. >As Doctor and Ruby try to find a cure, the Doctor discovers that before he landed on the planet, these people were akin to the cyberme /daleks. A warrior race who wanted death to all outsiders and were even planning to drop aerial strikes upon a nearby planet out of fear of an invasion (ie preemptive strike)>Ai, fearing war would lead to it's own death, started off killing everyone in the military before targetting the teens/kids of the planet>Doctor keeps pleading with the teens to just trust him. >Instead of a twist villian, we get a twist hero where one kid does and runs out. The rest of the race saying he is an exile and to never come back. >Doctor takes the teen with him and comforts him on the ship. It becomes abudantly clear that the ai will kill off the rest of his species on the planet. The Doctor can't save the race because the cure is an oral pill and their own hatred and the manipulation by both ai and their parents caused them to become untrusting. They'd rather die recording themselves for an archive that will be lost in years time instead of taking that leap into admitting they're wrong and that they need help>Ai will die in a few years due to power running out on the planet and it can't launch weapons at other planets without it wasting the last of it's energy that it has, so Doctor just leaves the planet>Teen becomes the next male companion in the group with his character arc revolving around trust and dealing with fear. He almost becomes a full on ludite because of the ai
>>214273365I forgot to say. Yes it's a covid allegory. No it's not aimed at the far right alone. I saw equally retarded people on the left as well. Healing crystals won't save you and neither will drinking bleach. Why Covid? Because I hated how lazy and forced it felt to see it included in Joy to World.
>>214272942>>214273126>>214273166Knowing Moffat it was probably going to be a women only world who demean and belittle the Doctor when he tries to save themBut then they turn out to be perfectly capable and the Doctor is the idiot
>>214273839>Knowing MoffatIt was Davies who still would've written the episode, seething Moffsperg.
>>214272229All they had to do was fade to black. ReTarD flew too close to the sun with bringing Pisser back and making the entire fanbase annoyed
>>214273878Moffat would have heavily rewritten it just like he did with all of RTD's other retarded ideas.
>>214274502When did this happen?RTD would heavily rewrite scripts, but he never touched Moffat'sAre you mixing this up somehow?
doccy who
>>214263294Luv me some buck teeth.
Who would you take over Billie Piper?
>>214275820Matt Lucas
>>214275820Peter Kay
>>214275848No former companions as the Doctor, period. I'd take a Japanese actor before that, no matter the companion actor.
>>214276045I assumed that post was asking about preferred companions
>>214272495>Compare Dot and Bubble to Rememberance of the Daleks to see what I mean regarding the message of raceRemembrance would be derided as anti-Leave wokeness if it came out nowadays, given the white male romantic interest for Ace is a racist fascist who talks about defending his country from immigrants. The only major distinction is that McCoy treats the two female scientists as mules he delivers exposition to.
>>214275820Ardal O'Hanlon
>>214262387Doctor Nigwho
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So doctor who is literally dead. BBC is going to wait for disney to make their decision next year. Just completely halt making the show until after that.
>>214263191Show ended when they introduced that retarded "regeneration" concept.
>>214279975Troughton > Hartnell
>>214264563>>Episode about previous companion Ruby. She meets a white guy who turns out to be an evil conspiracy theorist. Black gay Doctor appers at the end and tells him that he'll die alone in a prisonthe worst thing is, this was the best one.
>>214279975so, some point in the Pertwee years?
>>214277588But that was the point if the entire episode was to show how retarded it is to fight over race/color. The two warring daleks are practically the same minus a paint job. If they had united together, they could have killed off the human race. Instead their distracted war resulted in the near extinction of their entire species. So it could even more generalized as needing to overcome your distaste for others (whether religion, race, etc) to ensure the survival of your people.
>>214277721Honestly would be nice to return to an older Doctor again like Pertwee or Capaldi. The actors who were in their 40s or older always seemed to have this idea of what their version of the doctor was that isn't just "haha im quirky".
