why has medieval fantasy on film only ever been done right once?
It wasn't done right, those films are corny Hollywood schlock with gay hobbits and Enya music.
>>214265606>once>posts 3 movies
because Tolkien is the only good medieval fantasy writer and everyone after him is just a copycat
>>214265606There is no good fantasy aside from Tolkien's work. OK maybe Terry Pratchett and T H White are exceptions.
>>214265742I posted the wrong picture. I meant to post a picture of Willow.
>>214266081You didn’t post any picture.
>>214265742So what's an example of it done right?
>>214265883Truth. He spent years doing his research in all the little details to create a believable world. The average Hollywood scriptwriter doesn't waste that much time.
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>>214266081I see. Well done, then.
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>>214265606Same reason Space Sci-fi was only done right once (Blade Runner)Lightning doesn't actually strikes twice
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>>214265883>>214266146More than that he actually tried to think like a medieval person.Read enough old Anglo Saxon poetry and you begin to understand their mindset.
>>214266204It wasn't fantasy, was it?
>>214265883>Thinks Tolkien is the ground floor of fantasy.This is why everything is bad.
>>214266416You're right, he's the peak and it's been downhill since.
>>214265606Medieval fantasy needs to be broken down into at least the following categories:>arthurian>chivalric romance>dnd/wizardryTolkien doesn't even fit any of these. LoTR is in my opinion closer to something like Conan the Barbarian.
>>214265606Most medieval fantasy are LOTR knockoffs.
>>214265606Because that's a northern epic more like mythologized history than medieval fantasy. Like Beowulf but more extensive than half a broken story bit because Tolkien read the whole north euro canon, even autistically translating long dead languages.
Dune is more medieval than LotR
>>214266693Howard's Conan stories are more "medieval" than tolkien's workPlate armor does not exist in middle earth. Technology level is migration era/dark ages, mail, single handed swords, spangenhelms, etcHoward's Hyborian age features late medieval/plate armor, chivalric knights, dukes, huge castles, etc>And while the fallen king stared with burning eyes that reflected the bitter rage and humiliation that ate his heart, the squires stripped Valannus of mail shirt, burganet and leg-pieces, and clad him in Conan's armor of black plate-mail, with the vizored salade, and the dark plumes nodding over the wyvern crest. Over all they put the silken surcoat with the royal lion worked in gold upon the breast, and they girt him with a broad gold-buckled belt which supported a jewel-hilted broadsword in a cloth-of-gold scabbard. While they worked, trumpets clamored outside, arms clanged, and across the river rose a deep-throated roar as squadron after squadron swung into place.>The king and his allies moved westward at the head of fifty thousand men—knights in shining armor with their pennons streaming above their helmets, pikemen in steel caps and brigandines, cross-bowmen in leather jerkins. They crossed the border, took a frontier castle and burned three mountain villages, and then, in the valley of the Valkia, ten miles west of the boundary line, they met the hosts of Conan, king of Aquilonia—forty-five thousand knights, archers and men-at-arms, the flower of Aquilonian strength and chivalryHowever 99% of "Conan fans" don't actually read the original stories and resort to the subpar movie and the shitty comics
>the weird assburger who insists Conan MUST be depicted wearing sabatons is back. You belong on reddit. Being a pedantic artistically pointing out that Vikings didn't *really* have horned helmets is the lowest form of criticism. Once again, Frazetta nailed the soul of what Conan's character is more than depicting him "accurately" ever will. Don't make me post my REH collection again either.
>>214266963Been a while since I read LoTR and don't remember if Tolkien ever mentioned what various soldiers were actually wearing but I figured at least gondor would possess plate. A lot of the famous characters in the lore were known for smithing.
>>214266067Gene Wolfe was as good or better than Tolkien. Robert E. Howard was as good but wrote in a much shorter picaresque format that would be tremendously well suited to films.The reason that Fantasy isn't done well in Hollywood is that Jews find anything that depicts the European past as cool or beautiful as offensive. So do left-wing pigs. They want you to see the past as disgusting, ignoble and shit-colored, so that you will support flooding your country with somalians, hating your ancestors, and betraying your culture, nation, history, religion etc etc. Anything that does not accomplish those ends will be quashed.
>>214267321We get mention of mail and of helmets, I'd assume that they were not wearing articulated plate armor analagous to high medieval harness or whatever, I'd guess they're supposed to be similar to early medieval Anglo-Saxons.However the guy is being retarded because Conan is also pretty sparse with detail and uses neologisms all over the place. What does "Plate" mean, like milanese plate harness, or something like the the Dendra Panoply? "Plate" is a very loose terminology. Brigandine and scale are also mentioned, but what does that mean? Brigandine isn't some ancient word, it's an Italian term for a relatively modern kind of armor that is clearly being used as a neologism in Conan to describe some sort of fabric-covered armor of connected plates, which is an idea that dates back to the bronze age. Why would you assume that prehistoric armor development followed the same track in Lemuria that it did in medieval Europe? It certainly didn't go that direction in China, or Persia. Anon just has autisme and has forgotten that armor and weapons technology were not linear tech trees, but rather a series of design and engineering fashions which moved in and out of style, or labor availability/shortages made certain armors easier to source
>>214265742You're absolutely right. It's easy to be distracted by the fact that a lot of effort went into them I guess, they definitely look a lot better than pretty much anything out now, but pretty much every deviation from the books was complete capeshit. They'd be terrible adaptations for what they do to Aragon and Theoden's characters alone, but there's so much more wrong with them. The most you can say for them is that they're still a lot better than Rope, but that's not saying much.
>>214265746Filmed back to back, pretty much one production.
>>214267251>PedanticWanting accuracy is pedantic?Frazetta didn't nail the soul of conan's character at all. He also painted BBC porn. He was a degenerate.>>214267321Do you think smithing didn't exist before plate armor?Middle earth is explicitely dark ages/early medieval in technology level, with a few exceptions like borormir wearing a vambrace. >>214267615>a-ACKHUALLY when robert e howard described knights in armor he meant something elseYou secondary retards try to cope so hard that your headcanon fanfiction idea of the Hyborian age is real.Howard wrote stories in the middle ages. He knew a huge amount of information about the middle ages and the armor they wore for a guy who grew up in a small town texas. When he described sallets, burgonets, surcoats and brigandine he was describing the armor of the middle ages, not le bronze age.
Secondaries will see descriptions of Knights in plate armor, brigandine, crossbowmen, longbowmen and try to cope and pretend howard wasn't obviously describing medieval/renaissance europe and pretending he was totally referring to something elseThey'll ignore howard's letters too>>I was, as always, much interested in your remarks concerning the classical world, of which I know so little. What a city Alexandria must have been! I had no idea of the origin of the word parchment. As I’ve said before, your letters are an actual education for me. Some day I must try to study the ancient Grecian world. Its always seemed so vague and unreal to me, in contrast to the roaring, brawling, drunken, bawdy chaos of the Middle Ages in which my instincts have always been fixed. When I go beyond the Middle Ages, my instincts veer to Assyria and Babylon, where again I seem to visualize a bloody, drunken, brawling, lecherous medley. My vague instincts towards classical Greece go no further than a dim impression of calm, serene white marble statues in a slumbering grove. Though I know the people of the classic times must have wenched and brawled and guzzled like any other people, but I can not concieve of them. The first mythology I ever read was that of Greece, but even then it seemed apart and impersonal, without the instinctive appeal I later found in Germanic mythology.
>>214267836But he didn'tt set Conan in the medieval era, he set it in remote antiquity as he laid out in The Hyperborean Age. Since Howard did not write the stories in Aquilonian or Cimmerian, analogue words were inevitable. Sallet helmets were invented in the 15th century. So, the word Sallet and indeed the helmets themselves would not have been around at the time--but something that vaguely resembls a Sallet might have.I'm obviously right here. You can get upset abut it as you'd like but literally nobody agrees with you, including Howard himself, as the artwork used at the time he was alive clearly draws from antiquity, not the high medieval period. Would you like me to go get some of the old Wilcox art to illustrate (literally) that you are wrong?
>>214266393Not really, it's historical with some mysticism elements in it.
>>214267836>>214267947Mentally ill seething to the point that I suspect the anon is arguing someone else's point badly on purpose to make it look bad.
>>214268475He really is just a retard who thinks the most important aspect of Robert Howard's fiction is that characters wore brigandine. Everything in the stories of Conan is secondary to that specific fact. It's literally autism.
>>214266188Blade Runner takes place entirely on Earth, tho, and they haven't made it out of the solar system yet.
>>214268475Right. When the real reason is fake chainmail is much easier for the costume department to produce.
>>214268412He set it in the remote past so he wouldn't have to care about historical accuracy. Howard liked writing historical fiction but disliked having to make it perfectly accurate.Which is why you have 16th century french knights alongside 10th century vikings and 19th century afghans.If Howard didn't want to write about a medieval sallet he would have written helmet or helm. He wouldn't have explicitely described medieval armor and weaponry and clothing.>including Howard himselfHoward didn't do the art for weird tales. Retard. Do you actually think Howard had any choice in the artwork used for his stories? >as the artwork used at the time he was alive clearly draws from antiquity, not the high medieval periodThis illustration for black colossus proves you wrong>>214268475>>214268628>>214268697You're literally obessed with promoting the idea that your Hyborian age headcanon is right and that howard's descriptions are actually a convulted way of describing completely different peoples and time periodsComplte and utter derangment. Every R E Howard scholar and expert disagrees with you by the way :)
>>214267438>The reason that Fantasy isn't done well in Hollywood is that Jews find anything that depicts the European past as cool or beautiful as offensive. So do left-wing pigs. They want you to see the past as disgusting, ignoble and shit-colored, so that you will support flooding your country with somalians, hating your ancestors, and betraying your culture, nation, history, religion etc etc. Anything that does not accomplish those ends will be quashed.The correct answer.You don't hate them enough.
