And especially this scene? Its well made and has a strong message. What should he have said?
He shouldn't have said a single word.
It's poorly made, relies heavily on emotional manipulation over facts or logic and has a weak message.
>>214298424>And especially this scene?At this point this is a full fledged ragebait masquerading as "pretend to be a retard who misquotes the scene" right?
>>214298424>I'd listen to what they had to say >>we want to shoot a lot of bullies >oh yeah cool man
When I first saw it when I was 14 I thought it was profound because I was a sheltered retard. A few years later I realized how retarded, biased and detached from reality it was and how Moore is a total hack. So I guess my tip would be to grow up and then you'll hate it too.
>>214298424Because you keep talking over /tv/ instead of listening to them, which is what nobody did
>>214298424"Baby's Day Out" made a more cogent case for gun control.
>>214298424It's a dumb scene because it relies on the narrative that therapy is some magical cure for mental health problems.
>>214298489You only think this way if you are a chud
>>214298683Better do nothing and give them a gun I guess
it's a retarded non sequitur because eric and dylan were not neglected bullied children, they were just malignant
>>214298424The manson interview is the only honest part, it's everything else Moore did that was dishonest faggotry, especially for what he did to Charlton Heston.
>>214298424>What should he have said?nothing. he should've listened - and that's what no one did
>>214298424Remember when Marilyn Mason was both the literal Anti-Christ, and an extremely profound prophet who, with an army of angsty teens, was not only going to take down the entire religious establishment, but was also going to take down God himself?
>>214298489>relies heavily on emotional manipulation over facts or logic and has a weak message.So literally everything that happens after every single shooting. Imagine your kids dying in a school shooting and then nobody cares about them or the shooter or the actual event, they only care to prop up the corpse to push their political beliefs.
>>214298762>not neglected bullied childrenOstracization is neglect and bullying in one.
>>214298607>>214298683Retard
>>214298424The entire segment relies on the misinformation that Eric & Dylan were just some poor lost souls who needed a hug and a shoulder to cry on and not 1 deranged lunatic and his gay lackey.
>>214298933They're not even talking about the shooters in this scene you LARPing faggot
>>214298718>>2142989302 weeks of therapy and you'll be cured.
>>214298979It is though weird thing to lie about, you mentally ill?
>>214298930You can't really blame them. They are sub-80 IQ, meanwhile malicious shitposters have been framing this scene as if it's Manson being asked about Eric and Dylan. So no wonder they actually believe it to be so. Blessed be the weak and the foolish.
Can someone translate what this ESL moron is trying to say? >>214299004
>>214298628yeah. same shit here
>>214298702not an argument
Dylan and Eric would've trooned out of they were born late 90s-2000s
It's amazing people still don't realize this quote is out of context and he was saying he'd listen to the VICTIMS of columbine
>>214298807Yeah and all that happened so what’re you talking about?
>>214299104When did no one listen to the victims of columbine?
>>214298424I dont really have a problem with this scene. Sure, its a little cringe but just letting some chud vent isnt much different than what happens on r9k. But in person, theres a level of catharsis; online, its just a void.That said, the last scene with Heston is manipulative and disgusting. My politics are left leaning and I'm all for gun control, but Moore uses cheap tactics. It's documentary for teenagers made by a fat, middle aged con artist. If anything, it damages the argument for gun control.
>>214299104OP knows this. He is just a malignant nigger faggot who wants to meme about "I would've listened and that's what no one did"
>>214299176When they made their own judgments to the cause of the problem (blaming violent media like Manson) and used the victims' suffering to push a political agenda, instead of actually listening to them. You're a zoomer so you have no context
>>214299176They were dead unfortunately
>>214299104No, I think that's what Moore was asking about and Manson misheard him and thought he was asking about the shooters.
>>214298424Because it's propaganda. You know what those boys would have said if Marilyn Manson listened to them? "Fuck niggers." They were full of hate. No one shoots up the kids at school because they're just so gosh darn flabbergasted at all those mean jocks pushing them around. They got sold media by the likes of Manson, by the likes of Rezner, by the likes of the Insane Clown Posse, that let them believe that killing people who didn't agree with you was a good idea.
reminder that the third shooter at columbine was a fed
>>214298628I saw it when it debuted in the art houses. My review then is my review now. "it's propaganda but it's well made propaganda."
>>214298933The segment was talking about how manson was blamed for the shooting and that he was promoting death and rape and satan, and how protesters in denver were protesting his show there 2 years after the shooting "to protect the people of columbine". Everyone was speaking on behalf of the school and the community, and they were giving in to a culture of fear.He was the asked what he would say to the kids and community of columbine if they were in the room right now, and that is when he made the comment in OP. He was simply asking "why does no one talk to the survivors of the massacre, and isntead let "experts" on CNN and foxnews speak on their behalf? Its a heavy misquoted segment of the film.
>>214299221I’m not seeing how that’s not listening to the victims.
>>214299367>sincerityposting at bait
>>214299403Speaking for someone and being offended on their behalf is the polar opposite of listening to them, dipshit
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>>214299176>When did no one listenIn the documentary narrative, you dumb fucking faggot. The whole point of that conversation with Manson was to ask him about the media autism and the blame game that started after the shooting trying to pin their actions on something, from videogames to Manson's music.
>>214298489>relies heavily on emotional manipulation over facts or logic>implying that the mental state of fucking kid with guns is a "logical thing"I'm sorry but you are the biggest retard on this boardI don't even live in the usa and it's pretty clear that you can't separate the emotional consideration on the event from "logic or facts"
>>214299443You mean like you’re doing now?
>>214299514How am I speaking for the students?
evil music that encourages crime should be illegal though desu. movies and tv may be bad but it's very obvious that it's fictional and not encouraging you to do crimes (besides a few like scorsese slop). yet musicians often have personas of being criminal gangsters and larp about it or even get caught doing crimes themselves (many n word rappers). so gullible children believe it is cool to do crimes like in the evil music.
>>214299491So you’re saying the victims would say Eric and Dylan were over-medicated psychotic weirdos no matter what media they consumed?
>>214299510Thanks for letting us know to disregard anything you have to say. Wish more of your kind did that
>>214299600I agree that rap should be illegal, but only because it sounds like shit. Metal shouldn't be beholden to any kind of censorship because it's based
>>214299554By being offended on their behalf that someone would be offended on their behalf
>>214299604I don't KNOW what the victims would say. That's the fucking point you fucking retard, because no one asked
>>214299240What shit is that?
>>214299310>that let them believe that killing people who didn't agree with you was a good ideathis is a core American value you commie filth.
>Movie opens with Michael Moore getting a gun at a bank for opening an account>Big gotcha moment of him at the bank with the gun being like "you think it's okay to give guns away at a bank...">Thought that was super clever and amazing in my teenage libtard years>Get older, look it up again, learn that it was a completely fabricated scene where opening an account gave you a voucher for a local gun store that you had to go to and go through all the normal process of getting a gun like normal>The bank scene was a set, the bank manager was a paid actor, and everyone else was an extra
>>214299664Then why do we know the victims said that Eric and Dylan were over-medicated psychotic weirdos? Clearly someone actually conducted interviews of the survivors and the people who know the victims and shooters.
>>214299724Movie magic.
>>214298424it’s completely tone deafevery time famous musicians open their mouth to say something profound they remind me that they’re all completely braindead
>>214299104>>214299205>>214299306TOTALLY WRONGWRONG YOU FUCKING RETARDSWhat the fuck is going onHow can you be this fucking dumbAre you all Indian or something?
>>214299724>opening an account gave you a voucher for a local gun storeMaybe its because Im european but you really see nothing wrong with this?
>>214299724>the bank only gave a voucher for a free gun!still retarded though
>>214298628Word. Me too. Same with the 9/11 one. Growing up was wondering how adults took them seriously when they came out.
>>214299646>>214299738I'm sure some of the victims blamed violent media, while others blamed mental illness, while others blamed bullying, or a combination of the three. The point isn't about the actual cause of the problem, or even if the victims are right in the first place. The point is, the media never asked their opinion one way or the other. They were opportunists who took advantage of the tragedy to confirm their own preconceived biases, loudly talking over the victims top push an agenda. That is objectively wrong, and I'm not "being offended" on anyone's behalf for pointing that out as objectively wrong
>let's ask the dead highschoolers why they got killedthat's dumb tho desu
>>214299857The survivors, stupid
>>214299787there is literally nothing wrong with legally obtaining a gun
>>214299604Where are you going with this goalpost moving? The Manson bit addresses media hysteria in trying to pin the blame on anything their political leaning finds convenient. Can you show one of these talking heads even pretending that they gave a fuck that the state of Colorado thought was the cause? Sure, police interviewed the victims. Is that what ended up on TV? No. >>214299857>everyone Eric and Dylan shot died immediately and if you didn't die you don't count as a victimNigga that's epic sauce.
>>214298930You're completely right anon. I should fact-check my 'jokes' so that they're not just 'funny' they also promote a positive social message.
>>214298424this might be a shock to you, but this place it's full of retards
>>214299104It doesn't matter what actually happened like 50 years ago. How the scene is memed has become historical fact. No one listened to Dillion and Ryan. They should have. Over and out.
>>214298424it's just a funny meme because it was a good answer but you can sound smart applying it to almost anything
>>214298890But they weren’t ostracized, they had a circle of friends and Eric even had a gf who he went to prom with and who bought him one of his guns. If anything they were more like the bullies than the bullied
>>214300054>If anything they were more like the bullies than the bulliedThey literally were the bullies retard
>>214298424did any of the victims that survived tweet their thoughts about it or something?
>Americans have virtually unrestricted access to firearms since its inception>virtually zero school shootings, the most notable one ended with the principal and a janitor dying and only injuries to some kids>SSRI's get introduced and mass prescribed>suddenly school shootings become the normHmmm....
>>214299510Stfu, that "documentary" is unsufferable garbage, everything about it is cringe, everything Michael Moore ever said and done is cringe
>>214299600You and this bitch have something in common
I heard about this one because I was reading about mcdonalds after watching the founderinteresting how boomer shooters acted like total incels yet they still had wives and rented out apartment buildings. boomers had it so easyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Ysidro_McDonald%27s_massacre#Marriage_and_employment
>>214300081the virgin victim vs THE CHAD SHOOTER
>>214299885Anon... what has opening a bank account to do with guns. This is crazy
>>214300315kek>Particular criticism was placed on "Darling Nikki" by Prince, after PMRC co-founder Mary "Tipper" Gore bought the album Purple Rain for her 11-year-old daughter Karenna, unaware that the song's lyrics included an explicit mention of masturbation.my opinion is different because it's about things that are actual crimes like murder and gang activity. you shouldn't be allowed to encourage or glorify crimes and anyone with violent criminal record should be banned from selling music. also, scammers should have a hand chopped off
>>214300544>there will be a rifle behind every blade of grassEven the Nazis feared the 2A, europoor. Apologize.
>>214300544They have a bowl of candy at the bank window, why should that exist?
any more anti gun kinos?it's scary that you could randomly die at any shart mart because any idiot can get a gun
>>214300844So Avis just RENTS out cars to any idiot so they can just plow into crowds?Heh, I hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
>>214300890the difference is cars serve a purpose for everyday life
>>214300933>he doesn't use his gun every dayngmi
>>214300844pussy faggot thrall
>>214300544What if they'd give you a discount for buying a washing machine? Would you have a problem with that? It's just a financial incentive regardless what item they're giving you.
>>214300187I believe this
>>214298807Demon to some, angel to others…
>>214298424Why didn't he listen to them when they were alive? Maybe they'd still be alive today. Blood is on HIS hands.
>>214298489So does 'King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters'. Documentaries have long been more narrative than documenting.
>>214298702Chuds are apparently the only people capable of thinking.
>>214299826Who gives a shit about why the victims think it happened? Or their solutions to a problem they couldn't even possibly begin to understand. The only ones who knew why they did it were the shooters. Nobody is going to say, "yeah I was a shitcunt and pushed them until they hit me back" so at the end of the day the opinions of some randos who got shot at are exactly as relevant and informed as some asshats in suits from washington. Manson was a brainlet hiding behind stonerisms and hoping enough highschool stoners would eat it up they could shield him from all the adults saying he was a retard.
>>214301088it's weird for a bank to encourage others to kill things, since that's what guns are for
>>214300844Can't imagine living in burgurland. Their schools have a higher mortality rate than Gaza, they shouldn't be allowed to call themselves a first world nation, no first world country would be stupid enough to allow legal fire arm access to millions of it's citizens in peace times.
why do euros itt love their shackles so much?
>>214301919it feels very nice being in public knowing you won't get shotviolent crime rates in general are much lower as well
>>214299887Feel free to define the goalposts and how they were moved
moore is such a slimy hook nosed twerp it’s amazing he’s not jewish
>>214299240makes it easier to sit down and listen in my opinion, teenagers are retarded and annoying>t. former teenager
