Has there ever been a western film with a story as good as the red dead games?
>>214315305>Has there ever been a western film with a story as good as the red dead games?Watch picrel and shut the fuck up
>>214315305No because I don't there has been a western film with a story as grand as red dead, the mediums are just different
>>214315305No country for old men
>>214315305a movie is an hour and a half, maybe 2-3 for the epicsi put 200 hours into RDR2
>>214315305Rockstar have always greatly drawn from films and tv. the whole Mexican Revolution chapter from 1 obviously spawned from Zapata western influences
i like how you ignored Red Dead Revolver, zoomer.
>>214315305Unforgiven is pretty good, but RDR2 really did have an absolute kino story and presentation.
>>214315588Not OP but it wasn't a good game and felt clunky compared to other Rockstar games of the time like Bully and the GTAs.
>>214315588Red Dead Revolver isn't really renowned for it's story like the other games
>>214315583>Rockstar have always greatly drawn from films and tvTry any game developer, especially narrative-driven ones. Kojima for example pretty much rips everything from Rambo and 80s American action/sci fi movies, Rockstar from crime films/tv (particularly Tarantino, De Palma, and Michael Mann), and stuff like Cyberpunk is self-explanatory.That's why I don't get Millennials and Zoomers that want games turned into movies, because as movies all they'd be are shittier, shallower, and more incoherent versions or parodies of far superior films and /tv/.
>>214315305>red dead80% missions are the best scenes from various western and spaghetti western films, and the rest of 20% are pretty good toothe overarching story is decentso, I'd say no, it's impossible to match that>red dead iithats just commiesloppa bro
>>214315305Red Dead 1 is probably one of the most tragic western stories I've seen, it's exceptionally bold for a game
>>214315658A lot of the games take the best parts from those movies, so that's probably why they want a movie based on those games.
>>214315413not a western or a good movie
>>214315305shouldnt be comparing them
>>214315706>thats just commiesloppa broElaborate please
>>214315734>not a westernIt's a western, more specifically a neo western>or a good movieFine
>>214315753feminism, natives etc.
>tfw there will never be a Blood Meridian movie with Christopher Lloyd as The Judge
>>214315821>nativesThat's in RDR1 as well
>>214315821...women and native Americans are commie because?
Rockstar Presents: The Good The Bad and The Ugly>"Well Angel Eyes I've been doing a lot of thinking. About all those Native Americans you've killed. The women you've raped. And it got me thinking about just how big a son of a bitch your kind really is. Acting like we're still in the medieval ages. Well fella, it ain't 1062 anymore. It's 1862. Times changed. A fella wants to go to the edge of the world, he don't gotta get on a horse or walk it for years. He can step on a train, be there in 2-3 weeks. He wants to talk to his buddy, he don't need to send a letter, he can have that message there in a few minutes by telegram. And a fella wants to hurt minorities and abuse women, well, he does something like that nowadays, and he's gonna have to settle with me. Same as you're doin' right now. Because you see Angel Eyes, the old white fellas like you and me, we're old news. The world used to tolerate us striding upon it taking as we please and giving no regard to the noble people we trampled upon, but that time is done. White boys like us, we can't hold onto it anymore, even if we wanted to. We need to step back, or disappear. In fact, I think we oughta just disappear altogether. Just end, for the things we've done. We took away all the Creator given rights of non-white men, and women, and it's time we made it right by getting out of their way. So, lets settle it the way our barbarian white daddies settled everything, with a good ol' bout of violence. And we'll see who history favors.">*Angel Eyes yanks his pistol out and fires, click after click as the hammer hits nothing but empty chambers, his angelic eyes going wide with realization*>Tuco pops up from behind a rock grinning, and drops six bullets onto the ground saying "Missin' somethin' senor? Shouldn' 'ave stopped to have that siesta with the mamacita back een dat town! Adios gringo!">The Man with No Name shoots Angel Eyes, the bullet going through him and splattering an American flag behind him with his blood.
>>214315821>muh women in a westernBrokeback Mountain is perhaps more your kind of movie then.
>>214315839>Christopher Lloyd as The JudgeI would have preferred Clancy Brown
>>214315305>First game has a gun with two barrels>Second game has a gun with one barrelIt should be the opposite...
>>214315753>Elaborate pleaseIt's not actual commie kino like Duck You Sucker or other revisionist Western stuff sadly, it's just filled with weird woke stuff that's ahistoric and disjointed, particularly the focus on the Klan which was not present in the West given there were no Blacks out west (they were not allowed to settle the West and to this day the Black population there is negligible outside of certain urban parts of California).>>214315731>A lot of the games take the best parts from those moviesFor sure. Problem is, the whole point of games as opposed to movies is the interactivity, and so when you remove that you just end up with an incoherent, shitty movie dependent on big action setpieces a la Zack Snyder. That works for something like picrel given the game is an action-adventure game with a simple, traditional story; but for something narratively complex you just end up in Snyder/W.S Anderson territory every time, making ugly, derivative crap that plays like a bunch of cutscenes edited together.
>>214315950It's a prequel so maybe it makes sense
>>214315934>Brokeback Mountain is perhaps more your kind of movie then.Yes.
>>214315967>the Klan which was not present in the West I think Lemoyne is meant to represent the South. No, do not try to make sense of Red Dead's geography.
>>214315967>particularly the focus on the Klan which was not present in the West given there were no Blacks out westThat's because they weren't out West anymore, which was a major part of the plot about feeling lost on where to go anymore.
>>214316024>That's because they weren't out West anymoreThey weren't ever in the West retard, they were a South-specific thing at that time given their whole thing was waging an insurgency against the federal government and later oppressing sharecroppers, Blacks, and Republicans when the troops and federal bureaucracy were gone.>>214316018>do not try to make sense of Red Dead's geography.And that's why both the worldbuilding of RD is retarded and why it would translate poorly to the big screen.
>>214316018Which is right, the geography is kind of messy but it is very obviously the South and there's a lot of different references to the civil war, lots of Southern veterans around, relics of slavery, platations with slave shit etc everywhere.
>>214316077>They weren't ever in the West retardI think New Austin and West Elizabeth can be considered west.
>>214316174>New Austin and West Elizabeth I'm talking about real life you dumb fucking retard, are you even American?
>>214316243I thought we were talking about the hit game Red Dead Redemption 2 >>214316024
The Wild Bunch, obviously. For a Few Dollars More (also the main inspiration behind Cowboy Bebop)>>214316243Texas was a slave state zoom zoom
>>214316284I was, I was talking about the Klan being present in the West being retarded given the Klan did not exist in the West until the refoundation of it in the 1920s as a fraternal society focused on anti-Catholic and anti-Black stuff. The Klan never existed in the Old West because it had no reason to nor were the circumstances around its rise in the South present, it was a completely different place that wasn't even settled or incorporated yet and was 100% old-stock Whites from the South and North.
>>214316411>Texas was a slave stateThere weren't any Blacks West of the Trinity River in the 1800s (even today outside of cities Blacks are concentrated in the East and cities and that's it), East Texas is not "West" by any definition of the term and is universally considered part of the Deep South.
>>214316458Texas literally fought for independence from Mexico primarily because Mexico banned slavery. The governor of Texas, Houston, despite being the leader of the Texian revolution, was removed from office for opposing secession from the union and joining the South. Texas forcibly left Mexico and joined America over slavery, and then forcibly tried to leave America again over the same issue. It was not a trivial issue
>>214315848no they ain't>>214315868because that was the motivation of shoehorning them into the game>>214315934go back to your stinky march, hag
>>214315341Zoomers unironically think red dead is better than any western film
>>214316522>no they ain'tBruh
>>214316529It's one of the best western stories ever yes, no western film even comes close to it's scale
>>214316485>Texas literally fought for independence from Mexico primarily because Mexico banned slaveryOh this butthurt Mexican spiel again lol. Texas fought against Mexico because of economic restrictions and tax policies by the Santa Anna government, as well as laws against White settlers. The former is the biggest reason why Tejanos supported the revolution, and also why the Texas Revolution was part of a wider series of civil wars and rebellions in Mexico (see picrel) at the time.I know you guys desperately want to paint the Texians as being your guys version of the Confederates (and slavery was part of it), but that's not a 1:1 thing at all and ignores your own history.>The governor of Texas, Houston, despite being the leader of the Texian revolution, was removed from office for opposing secession from the union and joining the South.Doesn't this alone shoot down your claim of the Texas revolution being solely about slavery given Houston would've been pro-Confederate had he been single-issue about slavery? Retard.And again, that doesn't disregard the whole point of this discussion, which is that Texas had a nonexistent Black population outside of East Texas until very recently; and those areas are not "West" in any way or any definition.
>>214316529>Zoomers unironically think red dead is better than any western filmMillennials are the ones who circlejerk muh vidya more than anyone
>>214316556This. I said in an earlier post that it's like it's taken all the best parts of old Westerns, and I stand by that.
>>214316587>I said in an earlier post that it's like it's taken all the best parts of old WesternsSo would you watch a movie that's literally just a compilation of the "best parts" of old Westerns?
>>214316710Yes.
>>214316710Sounds fun
>>214316545that's 1>native, not natives
>>214316710A movie with a plot inspired by all the strengths of its inspiration? Hell yes
>>214316744>>214316752>your brain on JeetHere you gohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VknIHcM1Evs>>214316784>A movie with a plot inspired by all the strengths of its inspiration?That's literally not possible because those individual moments all have their own context, settings, themes, characters, and stories that are wildly different. God you /v/ tards are retarded and shouldn't be let within ten miles of a writers room or directors chair.
>>214316774>that's 1Uh yeah>>native, not nativesBruh
>>214315305Probably judaism of the jew who sells njgger rap and newsmedia. Total disgrace. Fice out of fice stars awarded by your favourite critic.
>>214316834>b-but they're bad natives, that's totally different to woke natives so its okay!
>>214315821>>214315967>Marriage? A sacred institution? Heh, it's anything but in my experience, brother, I can tell you that. If two fellers wanna tie the knot, who am I ta say no? If the Lord ain't judged our gang, I'd say he's been takin' some time off the job, yer probably safe. Heh heh. Have at it, I say.>Abortion? Well, that's a rough one. Bit of a tough pill to swaller. At first, I didn't rightly take kindly to the idea of killin' babies, but Dutch gave me this ole thick science book and I pretty much surmised that well, that thing is about as human as Micah here, which is lackin' to say the least, heh. Hell, I'd say a gal has the right to choose.>A gal? As president? Well, what I can tell ya is its been nothin' but fellers since this whole thing here started up and what have we got? A bunch of other dead fellers. What have we got ta lose? I reckon' tryin' a gal's touch wouldn't do anyone no harm. If weakness is a concern of yours, I promise you some of the ladies runnin' in my gang would probably make Old Hickory look like a nancy in comparison. Hell, I'd reckon its her turn.>Lettin' a black feller do yer wife? Well, if the old lady's havin' fun, who am I to deny her that? I reckon that feller's got a bigger one than me anyway. Besides, we gotta pay some back for that whole slavery bid'ness we did to them. Dutch raised me and I ain't his real son, so I'll raise my wife's son, whether he's black or white.>Cuttin off yer willie sure sound silly but I reckon a feller might as well chop it off he ain't goin use it. And i suppose a wig can't do harm neither, heck men use to wear em all the time back in oldin' days.
>>214315305RDR took direct inspiration from a couple movies, main one being Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.
>>214316900>/v/ on charge of being funnyEver since that board was taken over by spics who are always at risk of having a meltdown over how women dont like manlets that board's gone to shit.They also only play gacha shit, turbo casual slop like Overwatch and Marvel Rivals, and literal woman and tranny games like Life is Strange, Deltarune or The Sims.My cousin who only plays COD, GTA Online and FIFA has a deeper taste in games than that board of shitskins.
>>214317146How do we know the board was taken over by spics?
>>214315305Django Unchained
>>214315588For me it's Gunhttps://youtu.be/4Ka-8TzbB9s?si=2l5O67kWJHMbhQ31
>>214317169>How do we know the board was taken over by spics?same people as nu-/a/
>>214317169Constant random usage of Spanish, increasing amount of Dragon Ball related posts, sudden unironic wave of gacha slurpers, and the fact that /v/ gathered so much vtuber simps that they had to give them a containment board.You can also try making any thread with a Spaniard flag and watch the thread get flooded with latinos seething.
>>214317234>increasing amount of Dragon Ball related postskek
>>214315305Train robbery scene in RDR2 was taken from Assassination of Jesse James, shot by shot
>>214315706>>214315821>>214315883So what would you consider a non-woke no-commie game then? Custer's revenge? Is that the bare minimum here?
>>214317438/v/ doesnt care that about that shit, /v/ is all over a piece of tranny trash like Deltarune.What makes /v/ mad about RDR2 is that they swore it would flop and it didn't, that's it.Doom Eternal straight up mocked woke people with certain parody terms and that one had half a decade of daily seethe threads, all because they spent a month insisting it would flop and didn't./v/ is just a gathering of dumbass kids.
>>214317533>dumbass kids.It's mostly trannies and thirdies desu, much like /a/
>>214315305Heaps. That is how rockstar build 90% of their stories by stealing the best parts of movies. Problem is a 100 hour game vs a 2 hour movie. RDR should be compared to books if anything and I'd say that yeah there are a fair few good books out there that compare.
>>214317533Wow that's even gayer a reason than I thought. I know there's some kraut flag on /int/ who would go ballistic over rdr2 threads on there. What low functioning autists.
>>214317549Stories don't have to be long to be good tbf. They can be short but still very effective and powerful.
>>214315413I love that movie but I genuinely think rdr2's story is better.
>>214316818>its impossible to be inspired by things
>>214317605Honestly it's a bit hard to compare them because what makes them great are so different. But fair enough, RDR2's story is really good
>>214315341By virtue of being an 80-hour vidya, RDR2 has a shitload of side activities and filler. You might enjoy those activities but they're not part of the grand narrative, they're digressions from it. You also spend a lot of time slowly riding across the landscape for the sake of sightseeing.Compare that with a film like The Searchers where almost everything is in service of the main narrative (apart from things like the dancing scene), the pacing is economic, the fluff is edited out, and we don't watch Wayne riding across the plains for 20 hours.
>>214315305I can't even beat the girl in the opening horse race. That's why I hate GTA games; you can't just be a casual player and beat the stupid forced missions. >Keep up with all the checkpoints, getting shot at, you don't make it you start over AGAIN, hands sweating, angry at the level, can't progress without it. Fuck videogames. That's a kid's hobby. I suck at them. I'll never beat any of those goddamn games.
>>214315706revolver or redemption?
>>214315305Rdr1 is better by miles than woke rdr2 gay drama. Also, proposition 2005.
>>214315305>RDR/2>story>I HAVE REVENGE ON U>NO I HAVE REVENGE ON UUUU
>>214317632>its impossible to be inspired by thingsThere's being inspired and then there's just making your entire film a compilation of moments from better films with little rhyme or reason. That's what a RDR2 movie would be, along with most game adaptations.
>>214317733It gives me a little hope that the director for this film is also making the Blood Meridian film
>>214317700nobody gives a shit about revolver you fucking asshole
>>214317790Tarantino films kinda do that though. Also RDR2 don't do them for no rhyme and reason, usually the inspirations fit the context
>>214315305>>214317665The actual narrative of RDR2 sucks and makes no sense. The "story" just got carried so hard by the acting and dialogue with the free roam gameplay that people pretend it's this masterpiece of fiction.>Oh shit I'm going to play this mission perfectly, get away with this crime, and sneak back to camp...sweet...>Nvm some bullshit happens and I end up having to kill 40 people in a gigantic shootout.>Rinse and repeat for every major story mission.>Meanwhile the Pinkertons are supposedly following you. They're waiting to make arrests because they need more evidence?>Despite the hundreds of people the gang has killed in the last several weeksThe only good story content in RDR2 is the epilogue.
>>214317822>Tarantino films kinda do that thoughOh yeah and he's such a great filmmaker compared to the guys he ripped off lol>RDR2 don't do them for no rhyme and reason, usually the inspirations fit the contextTo a degree definitely, but if it were to be turned into a feature-length film it would just devolve into that.
>>214317869also this
>>214317807Why not? And why am I an asshole?
>>214315305Back to the future 3
>>214317569Yes but people always cling to the epics. A great novella goes under the radar these days.
>>214318379>A great novella goes under the radar these days.Great novellas don't exist these days.
>>214318442Sure because no one reads anymore but there are still anthologies and novellas getting published. Lansdale is apparently pretty good.
>>214315305Generic answer but the good, the bad and the ugly
>>214317533/v/ is a miserable place for gaming shit, even if it's something they like, there's still some reason to be pissed off about it. There are some games where they get absolutely pissed if you aren't playing with specific mods for example.
>>214315319I don't listen to that 'I'talian nonsense
>>214315319This is actually my personal favourite Leone filmIt seems his most sentimental as well, on the surface its very pessimistic about life and politics and relationships but I love the friendship and bittersweetness of the endingDef had an obvious impact on the RDR series, in the Mexican revolutionary parts
>>214319721I dunno, the RDR revolutionary parts seemed more inspired by The Wild Bunch and Il Mercenario to me
>>214315305Game nerds still sucking on rdr dick , it's literally not that good stop with bootlicking already
>>214315305RDR2 is overrated as fuck. I love the first couple of chapters, but the story is too long and like all "Serious" American video games it's too on the nose and preachy with its messages. The first game is kino. Unforgiven, The Searchers and TGTBaTU all mog the shit out of them, not to mention a dozen other westerns I could name.
>>214320502The story runs out of steam once you hit Saint Denis but the final chapter with Arthur right at the end was nice (storywise, maybe not gameplay wise).
>>214320521>>214320502Saint Denis doesn't feel very "western" to me, either. I really missed Mexico in 2. The first game is also way more pulp in its storytelling, not hiding its spaghetti western influence. Doesn't feel pretentious. It's shorter, doesn't waste time. Don't get me wrong, RDR2 is my favourite game of the last ten years easily, but watching zoomers suck it off endlessly and act like it's a masterpiece in storytelling when in the end it's still a video game where you murder 100s of people without any consequence is pretty cringe.That's another issue I had with 2. When I heard there was a morality system that would tie into the story, I really wanted to play Arthur as a villain, evil outlaw type, but the story doesn't accommodate that at all. Being evil just feels "wrong" in the context of the story. Yet, as I mentioned, the main theme of the story is "redemption," yet Arthur is murdering lawmen and guards by the dozen until the very end. It just doesn't quite land.
>>214315731>lot of the games take the best parts from those movies, so that's probably why they want a movie based on those gamesRDR was based off every great Western.If you were to make a film off RDR, where you Frankenstein stitch Western plots together (poorly) that would be the movie> RustRDR2 was woke dogshit from start to finish done in next gen graphics NO ONE wants to play a game about an outlaw gunslinger gang that> Are communists> Fight for women's suffrage> Believe in racial harmony and DEI> Empower tranny circus workers You didn't watch> 310 to Yuma> Unforgiven> Josey Wales> Jeremiah Johnsonand expect a retard game like RSR2
>>214320502Unforgiven is pretty boring honestly. I also do personally prefer RDR1's story, but RDR2's is also quite good. They are very different and honestly cannot really be compared.
>>214320637>theme of the story is "redemption," yet Arthur is murdering lawmen and guardsThis is one of the reasons I prefer RDR1's story slightly over that of RDR2. I feel it's more honest about the fact that John cannot really be redeemed, and that redemption is a lie
>>214321017Unforgiven is about a man struggling with his soul after a lifetime of drinking and murdering people and actually being the evil outlaw archetype that existed in the old west. He seems like the kind of person who expected he'd die decades prior, but instead has been forced to live with his conscience. It's actually an anti-redemption movie, as in the end he simply embraces his fate of deserving hell, knowing he can never redeem himself for the things he's done.
>>214315305Fuck off /v/ermin.
>>214315305I pity your (de)generation
>>214315305Are these even that good? RDII definitely is not. I played red dead 2 online for a bit and it was one of the most pozzed games I’ve ever touched.
>>214321113He used to kill for himself but now he kills for others/the right reasons how did you get filtered that hard?
>>214322441>See you in Hell>Yeah
>>214320502story aside the game is just fucking sluggish, absolute chore to play.
>>214322476So many great lines in that movie.
>>214322441When does he kill for the right reasons? Even The Schofield Kid realized killing people who "deserve it" is fucked up to the point where he gave up his dreams of being a gunslinger.>You murdering bastards! You killed our Davey-boy!The point of the movie is that actions have consequences and killing people corrupts your soul. Munny is too far gone and knows it already. So is Little Bill, although he seems more in denial. The kid still has a chance to redeem himself and does.
>>214322476same thing happened here, there was still atonement
>>214322671When he risks his life to save the town from an evil sheriff and his goons.Opposed to probably he would roll in and slaughter everyone in a saloon and take their wallets or whatever he did in his youth.
>>214322735Little Bill is evil, but so is Munny, and morally it's way murkier than you make it seem. Little Bill was too brutal in his methods, but on the other hand, he was trying to keep order in a small western town in the middle of the wild west. There's an argument to be made that he was doing his best with what he had. You might also want to consider the title of the movie itself.
>>214315305Would some kind anon be willing to summarize the main story of RDR2 and what you liked about it? I don't mind spoilers. I've been wanting to get into it, but heard it's a really long game. With my backlog, I'm not sure if I want to go for it or choose another
>>214322942Ruthless outlaw is confronted by his own untimely, imminent mortality and decides to turn over a new leaf.
>>214322942>>214322964Isn’t it LE WHITE MAN BAD bullshit like always going on about girlbosses and slaves and Indians and shit tho?
>>214316900I don't care about poltard crap, but if Arthur actually acted the part of a murderous outlaw it would be kino.Clint Eastwood raped women in a bunch of movies and was still considered an antihero, not a villain.
>>214322942Do not read or listen to any spoilers. Just play the game blind. I got spoiled on all the major plot points and that soured my experience, I was not able to get the full impact of the story. I envy those that were able to play this game blind so much
>>214322988No not really, that's a small part in the overall narrative and theme of the game
>>214315707This. RDR2 is bloated, overwritten soap-opera slop for Last of Us enjoyers. 1 is a much better, pulpier story
>>214323021Why is it in the game at all? This thing I’m doing is prejudice against me? That’s just bizarre. Not playing that garbage. Maybe I’ll try read dead 1 someday.
>>214322988Yeah, in the third act he supports the suffrage movement, helps various black characters, including a black doctor being oppressed by evil white southerners, (optionally) kills a former slave owner (who is already suffering immensely, and you gain honour for doing so while belittling and admonishing him and his legacy in the process), and kills American soldiers in order to aid the totally sympathetic, non-savage Indian tribe (and the one Native villain group in the game was changed pre-launch into becoming an evil gang of feral hillbillies known as the Skinners). It's extremely gay. That said, the rest of the game is pretty good, I guess.
>>214317438RDR1 did just fineit's the sequel that was all about pathetic 'presentism'
>>214323047Because all games nowadays are woke. I'm not denying that stuff is bad, but still I do not recommend such a small part of the game to discourage you from playing what is overall a great game. And btw it's not like RDR1 is completely devoid of woke stuff either.
>>214323034I do not think RDR2's story is bad, I also think it makes really bold storytelling choices. RDR1 and RDR2 are actually quite different despite being in the same series. RDR2 is the sort of tragic story to hit you right away emotionally, while RDR1 is more of a quiet tragedy that sinks in and lingers with you after you play. Both are great imo
>>214323072Gigantic yikes from me.
>>214323101Yeah I don’t play anything that’s “woke” I play Ark Surival and Helldivers. No weird dialogues about how white people are evil and trannies are great and niggers are gods or anything like that, they’re just games. I would never waste even one moment on something like Red Dead 2 you’re describing.
>>214323316Understandable, but then I'd recommend you lay off RDR1. It's not exactly a pro white game either. Also doesn't Helldiver 2 have a mixed race couple in it's opening cinematic? Unless you were talking about Helldivers 1.
>>214323427Yeah and at no point does that guy’s black wife you see for 0.5 seconds go on any rants about white privilige or any other bullshit like that she just waves lovingly to her white husband and gets killed horribly. Hell, Helldivers is all about humanity’s solidarity against hoards of aliens you have to slaughter. *sip* they don’t make em like that anymore.And just for the fuck of it I’ll mention Ark actually has an Amazon show.I watched the first episode.>main character is lesbian>she has anxiety and is constantly popping pills>moment where she has to speak on stage and she downs a bunch of pills and goes out to do public speaking like it’s a triumphant momentat this point you might be thinking: What the FUCK does this have to do with dinosaurs?????? >episode 2 began with an explicitly anti-white aboriginal riot/protest in Australiaand I shut it right off.believe me the second any of that makes it into the game which it won’t because it’s a Chinese game I’ll never play it again
>>214315305Pretty much any western. The stories in red dead games are fucking trash and just serve as ways to unlock more of the map.
>>214323616As literary examples you have Blood Meridian and Lonesome Dove. The Lonesome Dove series got adapted into multiple movies and series, so is even grander and obviously far superior to Red Dead.
>>214323597It's still a mixed raced couple, so it's still woke. Definitely not as woke as red dead 2, but still. Also "Human solidarity" is a meme.
>>214315305Cut open any Rockstar game and you you'll find a bunch of other people's movies stuffed inside.
>>214323616Nah red dead's story is kinohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaWiPqo05Sk&list=PL39902E92BC1CE889&index=3
>>214323944Certain elements are definitely homages to western films and media but a lot of the story and writing choices I think are pretty original in RDR games. For example, the ending for red dead 1 or Arthur facing his own mortality because of contracting tuberculosis in red dead 2.
>>214323021>No not really,Huh?RDR2 online> Only way to start is to take orders from girl boss leader > Have to get missions from a nigger Cappy Tal EE> Want to moonshine? Report to girl boss> Want to collect artifacts? Report to girl boss> Want to wipe out injuns? Sorry weapons are disabled on tribe lands while they mock and never youNot pozzed at all
>>214324292I was talking about the main campaign, not online. Could not care less about RDR2 online.
The stories and writing in video games are almost universally overrated.
>>214324379>I was talking about the main campaignOh,, you mean the story about running with your ANTIFA gang of misfit toys sticking it to "the man" ? 3rd act is literally Django UnchainedHas there ever been a movie where there is a story transition like RDR1 journey to Mexico? Maybe Gone With The Wind intermission....
I think the game was okay, but the story seemed to be secondary importance to the game's primary objective: creating experiences. Most things people remember from the game is not some kind of commentary on the futility of banditry or the decline of the west (these themes, or any theme at all, are barely explored) but the "badass moments". Like how cool it was when the whole gang strolled up to the Mansion to save Jack, or when you get attacked by that giant crocodile in the river. None of the character's motivations are explored in detail, they all come across as retarded outlaws, especially Dutch. Maybe that was the point all along, but "dutch is a retard with a shoddy ideology" isn't a particularly interesting one.The overall atmosphere of the game is a departure from the blaring spaghetti western trumpets and stylised Sergio-Leone-esque pause screens to something more serious. Red Dead 2 is hard to take seriously though. The entire world is still a parody. Their stab at racial issues and civil war bitterness is barely delved into, which to be fair is difficult when your game takes place in a parody of Louisiana rather than the real thing.Biggest theme in the game is change. The industrial revolution is taming the west and outlaws are being clamped down on. Cornwall's monopoly on the oil or whatever isn't supposed to be a profound commentary on capitalist greed or whatever, though. It's a pretence to stage cool missions where you blow shit up. That's all these games are and that's fine, but I get the impression that (sometimes) red dead 2 is aspiring to be more than that and it just doesn't work.
>>214315305yeah, just about all of them
>>214324601>the story about running with your ANTIFA gang of misfit toysYeah that is pretty bad to be fair. But again, my point is that it's a relatively small part in a 100 hour game. I can understand not playing the game, but I would probably still recommend it because there are a lot of things to be appreciated in the game.>3rd act is literally Django UnchainedAre you talking about chapter 3?
>>214324649RDR2 could have made a compelling story just like RDR1 off westerns. With expanded graphics RSR2 tackled western expansion of the Rockies, the Southwest and West of the Mississippi (new denis).It could've made the Southwest a hard mode white knuckle danger zone dealing with Navajo. apache, camanche unpredictability. The Rockies should have been more Jeremiah Johnson.....New Denis was supposed to be New Orleans but came off more like Atlanta with the carriacture plantation and sharecropper shit. There was LOTS to explore with 1870-1890 story lines of an old gang. Based on Marston's stories in RDR1 his gang should have been something like Quanteills Raiders.So how did RDR2 get to where it was? It was a prewritten woke story of United Colors of Benneton adapted to the next game in queue.... happened to be Red Dead
>>214316556>>214316587no its not and you two have the tastes of a weeb or a child.it's good, don't get me wrong, but it's too long, meandering, and unfocused to compare to some westerns. wait, i forgot i'm talking to /v/ tards, you faggots aren't even worth my fucking time. a minute of my life went down the drain typing this. fuck me
>>214317146it's an old meme. you just have thin skin little ben.
>>214324892>Quanteills RaidersQuantril's RaidersFucking phone posting.....the point was, there was tons of Old West themes to make a killer game with beauty of Rockstar open world but it is painfully obvious from the very first mission that it was > Let's make an Old West Game> But we can't do.....> We need positive empowered POC> Heroic women characters> Absolutely punish players if they kill a dog> Etc......It's like telling someone to make you a lazy Saturday snack buuuuut> No sugar> No fat> Nothing fried> No meat> No cheese> Make sure it has quinoa
>>214324892A lot of the concept art and cut content for RDR2 imply it was originally a bit darker like RDR1, but it was probably toned down as development went on.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CshW-18yBo
>>214323427>It's not exactly a pro white game eitherdude what the fuck is wrong with you mouth breathers. describe how exactly it's anti-white>there's mexicans in it!yeah and you spend half the story shooting the shit out of them and overthrowing their government>native makes fun of white man!common western trope. you thin skinned lily fucking faggot
>>214315305Anyone interested in jumping into westerns, start with Stagecoach
>>214325149The native americans are portrayed as the victims and the White characters (especially the eugenicist researcher) are portrayed as racist, arrogant and dumb. So yes, not exactly pro white.
>>214325244the natives are also portrayed as violent savages. the mexicans are portrayed as a bunch of corrupt rapists and sex fiends. one city dweller professor is portrayed in a negative wayyour blind adherence to your half-witted dogma has completely robbed you of your ability to detect nuance and you should really go play in traffic and rid us of your stupidity
>>214325387>the natives are also portrayed as violent savagesThey are portrayed as victims first and foremost. It's made pretty clear that they are violent because they were forced to by the aggression of whites (demonstrated by the scene with Enepay). There is also a sympathetic native american character in the form of Nastas who is portrayed as being smart and reasonable in contrast to Professor MacDougal who is portrayed as dumb and arrogant. It's painfully obvious what Rockstar's position on this historical issue was. I'm not saying this stuff is unforgivable, it's still much better than the stuff today. But it's still not exactly pro white is it
>>214325575nobody fucking cares except for you
>>214325584Alright
>>214324649>Most things people remember from the game is...the "badass moments".100%. This is also why so many people perpetuate the idea that spaghetti westerns are the peak of the genre. They just want the film to tell them "this guy is so badass" and see trains get blown up with dynamite
>you randomly get tuberculosisyeah alright what amazing writing.
>>214315305The Good the Bad and the Ugly, Django, The Great Silence, Once Upon A Time In The West
>>214325649It's set up at the beginning of the game and it's foreshadowed multiple times throughout the story so no, it's not random at all
>>214325149>describe how exactly it's anti-whiteIt's easy to understand how/why there would be a variance in opinions of this.If you thought> Hateful EightWas a legit "western" then it's clear how someone would embrace RDR2 as a "not woke" story
>>214315305Rango
>>214325746You won't get tuberculosis from one contact with an infected person, and even assuming you did, it takes a long time to progress from a latent infection into an active one and years beyond that to kill you.
>>214325974Yeah that's true, but again my point was that it doesn't happen "randomly" like the other person said. It's still set up and foreshadowed in a way that makes it feel planned and part of the story.
>>214315305The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada
>>214315305High Noon (1952)
