https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOBhNVoi0Mc
>>214317026>Just Dropped>This phenomenon that may have existed for virtually all of known time just dropped fellow gen zerd, and its fire fr.What a fucking try hard douche.
It's his asshole
black holes are not real
I used to be fascinated by black holes as a child until I grew up and understood that its just more made-up sCiEnCe
black holes are real and theoretical physics is interesting. i used to be an edgy contrarian then i grew up
>>214317271>made-up sCiEnCe
>>214317311data visualizations != pictures
>>214317026Is it a blacker black hole?
>Black holes are not actually holes at all, but balls. big black balls. Come back to my place and I'll show you.
>>214317322that's exactly what pictures are actually
>>214317322Can you see electromagnetism?
>>214317348NEIL DON’T PLEASE
>>214317353pictures match what the large majority of humans all collectively interpret the scene's data as being.visualized data in that picture is not what would match the collective human interpretation.(Please stop being obtuse and pedantic)
>>214317304Grow up chud
>new black hole>just a black hole between the size of a regular black hole and a super massive black holeRiveting.
>>214317406photographs turn electromagnetism into a string of numbers, which is exactly what the picture of the black hole is. i am being precise and articulate.
black holes just like evolution are bad sciencescience is testable, repeatable, observable and measurable.not theories and speculation.
>>214317429>hotographs turn electromagnetism into a string of numberswhat about the soul?
>>214317448the soul is a vestige concept from a the where we didn't understand anything
>>214317448never been captured on film or digital(as it's not a physical thing)
>>214317429>which is exactly what the picture of the black hole isthat "picture" was generated from algorithmic guessing.>To reconstruct an image, the EHT team developed computational imaging algorithms capable of making inferences to fill in the blanks in the data that had been gathered. >The team discovered that multiple ring geometries could explain the Sgr A* data, as well as some geometries that do not look ring-like at all. To better understand how the imaging algorithms worked on data from an evolving target, >Levis built a synthetic model of variable structure (akin to water swirling around a drain) that was based on statistics taken from the real data about Sgr A* that EHT had gathered. >The model was then used to exhaustively test EHT's imaging methods and identify the best settings to recover an accurate image.It's a "picture" like all the rendered composites of "earth" are "pictures".
>>214317311yep, that's a hole alright
>>214317429i don't even see the numbers any more
Black holes are just the final stage of degenerate matter, fundamental particles in a big ball, prove me wrong.
>>214317489reread the last sentence. they used synthetic sample data to focus the camera or tune hyperparameters. the actual data they received was real.
>>214317026He got into buck breaking huh
>>214317536>After determining that Sgr A*'s image geometry is likely a ring, the EHT used a number of cutting-edge tools to estimate the uncertainty in the recovered structure. The entire article is filled with non-objective garbage because that's all the majority of space "science" is.It's about as concrete as archeology.
>>214317514>>214317536>>214317489an analogy would be if you didn't know how to operate a normal camera, you should the camera what a focused, good picture should look like and the camera adjusts its focus and other settings to get the best possible picture that matches what you're expecting
>>214317574that sentence makes perfect sense to me as an engineer with machine learning training. they just compared all the pictures they gathered to what they were expecting a black hole to look like from their own predictions and chose the closest match
it's very frustrating that these space telescopes and electron microscopes don't just see shit like we do, but with more zoomfuck em
>>214317611>machine learninghow many 'r's are in strawberry?
>>214317619
I hope every one of you retards realizes that this guy is just a science communicator and not an actual researcher that knows fucking anything about anything. Just watch PBS Space Time and ignore all of these self important grifter retards who say wrong things all the time, at least that show has actual researchers working on it (and hosting it).
>>214317522Hawking Radiation. Black Holes over a timeline of billions of years "evaporate" away. Thus they are not the final stage. The heat death state that comes after them is.
>>214317682>pbs space timei have watched some of matt's videos and he is needlessly convoluted to sound smart. he's but actually even a physicist, he's an astrologist. he recently stumbled his way through a talk with an actual physicist and i was pretty embarrassed for him
>>214317712astronomer*
>>214317712He is convoluted because the topics he discusses are wildly convoluted. Trying to dumb them down like the retarded chimpanzee in the OP does on a day-to-day basis creates a ton of inaccurate (or flat out wrong) statements about the topics that are being discussed. I am pretty sure Matt is a real researcher and obviously he is going to stumble on things that are outside of his area of research, besides, it's not just him working on PBS Space Time, they have writers and people they consult to make the videos as accurate as possible. It's pretty much the best pop science channel for its category.
>>214317768if you are actually interested in theoretical physics, the best guy at explaining shit by far is Sean carroll and he goes extremely deep while still explaining it well. matt is clearly influenced by Sean and often copies his talking points and mentions him a lot.
>>214317682>Tyson earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in physics at Harvard College in 1980 and then began his graduate work at the University of Texas at Austin,[22] from which he received a Master of Arts degree in astronomy in 1983>Tyson was a lecturer in astronomy at the University of Maryland from 1986 to 1987[24] and in 1988, he was accepted into the astronomy graduate program at Columbia University, where he earned a Master of Philosophy degree in astrophysics in 1989, and a PhD degree in astrophysics in 1991[25] >In 1994, Tyson joined the Hayden Planetarium as a staff scientist while he was a research affiliate in Princeton University. He became acting director of the planetarium in June 1995 and was appointed director in 1996.[34] Yeah I’m thinking you’re full of shit.
>>214317812I've heard about him and I guess I'll give him a chance if you recommend it anon, but I'm a busy guy these days so the three hour podcast style of content doesn't really fit my schedule as well as a 15 minute video every week or two. Plus the VFX they use on PBS are pretty nice too
There is a dunning kruger psychological thing that happens when experts explain things. if i were to tell you that forces arise from the constraints of field interactions, there will generally be 2 types of people. one type will say I'm just saying words to sounds smart, the other will understand where i am getting these words from and why i am describing it in that particular way. the former have no education on the topic whatsoever so it sounds vague to them. the latter will probably be able to explain it better but understand why i chose that particular description and see where i am coming from mathematically.
>>214317475Wrong, retarded, blasphemous and probably a mossulman of some smelly kind.
>>214317537I appreciated this joke
>>214317877Every science communicator out there has similar feats and achievements you retard, that doesn't mean most of them haven't regressed by spending the past 20 years grifting by being paid to do speeches and go on talk shows and podcasts. Neil Degrasse Tyson is the biggest example of a fraud intellectual, he's said more stupid shit over the years than almost any of his peers
>>214317026he came off as really stupid on celebrity jeopardy, he even lost an anstronomy question to some random actress
You mentally ill freaks should check out normie ''science'' sources, science news aggregators, subhuman-reddits dedicated to science, vsauce adjacent youtube channels etc. Check out what normalfags believe. It's just completely insane.Every single day without fail they get bombarded with>NEW PLANET FOUND AND ALIENS ARE THERE>AND PHYSICS JUST CHANGED>AND THE WORLD WILL END IN 2028>AND A MEGAVIRUS JUST DROPPED AND IT WILL KILL YOU INSTANTLY>AND AI IS NOW SENTIENT AND IT DISCOVERED TIME TRAVELThis shit all day every day.I have an in-built feature in my phone that aggregates science news, I'll check it right now>''Japan just eliminated 90% of ship emissions'' - energy reporters>''NASA started a year long Mars mission simulation'' - Nasa (.gov)>''Earth's seasons are out of sync'' - ScienceAlert>''World's tallest building to be eclipsed by two new skyscrapers'' - Newsweek>''Brazil's nuclear submarine program advances'' - Naval News>''China building an underwater city 6.500 feet below sea'' - istudiezPro>''NASA voyager probes detect wall of fire beyond solar system'' - critical zone exploration network>''Wireless electricity invented, we won't need copper wires now'' - el adelantago de segovia>''Archaeologists found 300K old human footprints that rewrite our history'' - popular mechanicsWow, would you look at that. Just today everything changed. History changed forever, we discovered what we've never seen before, Brazil now is a nuclear superpower and there are underwater megacities and we are going to Mars right the heck now.What a coincidence that all of this happened today just when I checked the news. This day will go down in history as the most revolutionary day in history.
>>214317026Science fact of the day: You can kiss yourself in the mirror, but only on the lips.
>>214317877PhDs in astronomy aren't very hard. It's like 90% data processing from someone else's satellite.
if you don't know what the pauli exclusion principle is you shouldn't be allowed to talk about physics
>>214317935Your original post (assuming you’re the same anon) said “this guy is just a science communicator and not an actual researcher that knows fucking anything about anything”. I’ve proven that to be false. Explain to me how going on podcasts and hosting TV shows negates his credentials?
What are your thoughts on nothingness? Do you think that probablistic perterbations in the void are any less of a nothing than a void in which there is no energy at any point?
>>214318081He has educational and some professional credentials but he's not a researcher, why in the fuck would you trust what somebody says if they are not actively working in the field they supposedly know so much about? Not to mention you can find countless examples online of him being borderline retarded. So yes, when compared to real science communicators, he is a fraud. I'm sorry you were razzle dazzle'd by this black man's colorful language anon.
>>214317955>>''NASA voyager probes detect wall of fire beyond solar system''
>>214318155I think it's retarded midwit autism to say that the only space that exists is some fabric that stretches and beyond that the space itself doesn't exist. There is an infinite amount of space that just doesn't do anything and it serves no purpose other than being a coordinate in space.Science autists say with absolute certainty that such a space doesn't exist, as if they have any way of actually confirming it as they push an idea that is so ridiculous and goes against all logic.
>>214318361the consensus in physics is that there is the observable universe and that there is the entire universe but we can not see beyond the observable universe. so for all intents and purposes the observable universe is treated as 'the universe' and anything beyond that (eg its shape) can only be extrapolated and not measured.
>>214318164>if they are not actively working in the field they supposedly know so much about?He’s literally the director of the Hayden Planetarium.
>>214317026Wet Bulb status of this new hole??
people hate science because it can't answer all their ape brain questions like why did daddy not pay attention to me and why won't Stacey fuck me. but jesus loves you little monkey boy
>>214318418that's like saying that the director of a water park would be really good at creating an aqueduct
>>214317026>The BUCK nebula is getting broken What did he mean by this
>>214317611That's like asking grok to upscale a 8x3 silhouette from a 100x zoomed in security camera footage but telling it "it's probably arnold schwarzenegger". If you get arnold, it doesn't mean it is, you just wanted it to be.
>>214318418>Hayden Planetarium.A fucking museumLMAOOof
>>214317093>albums aren't conceived, written, recorded and mixed and exist before they are droppedWWHAT the fuck are you talking about nerd, you try so hard to right and you're dead wrong you're literally black science nigger but white and still a virgin
>>214318649no it's not. you completely misunderstand. it's like telling a camera what focused picture looks like and allowing it to figure out how to focus to achieve the closest version of that picture. you're not changing the picture it takes, you're tuning it's parameters. i did my thesis on this stuff
I'm a science communicator too. Anyone who feels like it can say they are one.
>>214317311Which one of her holes is it tho?
>>214317899What you're describing isn't what Dunning and Kruger were researching at all. The Dunning-Kruger-Effect describes the phenomenon that a person with limited education/knowledge/experience about a subject will think of himself a master because he doesn't have the necessary metacognitive abilities to understand that their knowledge about said subject is limited and below average. As a consequence they overestimate their own knowledge about said subject. The same is true the other way around, as in actual masters underestimating their capabilities, but this isn't important here. What you're describing isn't a Dunning-Kruger-Effect, but just a stupid person intimidated by a more intelligent person and their - subconscious - coping mechanism. Also, your example is pretty flawed, as there's at least 3 types of people who can react to your argument:1) the one you described, incorrectly, as someone showing the Dunning-Kruger-Effect: a simple midwit who gets angry at people more intelligent than him. 2) The second type you described, who understood what you said. 3) People like me who have no idea what you just said because it's absolutely not their field of expertise but who still have the metacognitive ability to simply understand that they didn't understand you because - as said - it's not their field of expertise. Funnily enough, as you were talking about the Dunning-Kruger-Effect, it's actually you who displayed it in his post.
>>214317026this guys probably is the biggest fraud in the pseud science industry.
>>214317271based knower of the artificial and homosexual
>>214317026>just old well known black ass-hole
>>214317026It's called a lunch time rowdy hole
>>214317026>shirtless stranger hole
>>214319315>t. bill nye
>>214317026He may be an arrogant, pedantic, annoying fag, but do people try to honestly argue that he isn't intelligent?
>>214317026I knew I smelled bussy
>>214320181He dodged getting metooed so he must be smart.
>>214319096this is an embarrassing tryhard rant
>>214317026>le black hole>le bigger black hole>le super duper biggerrer black hole>actually the galaxy is inside a black hole!>going in a black hole turns you into spaghetti and stops time!How does anyone take this shit seriously?
>>214317252This. Literally just holocaust-tier science fairy tales basedboys do to pretend like le space is epic.
>>214317955kek, I feel you. Every time I accidentally open up the "news" on my phone there's some outlandish claim about groundbreaking discoveries that happened within the last 2 days. However, I have this gut feeling that Indians are their main target audience, rather than redditor IFLSfags
reminder that there's still no viable theory of gravity except that it's just there
>>214317026Yeah but why does the hallway beep?
>>214320348guess neil can't prove his father exists then
>>214318808How do they know the final result is accurate?
>>214317955Where is all the world changing science? It's 2025. Tens of millions of kids have been going to college and university for decades now. Where are they all? What the fuck are they doing? Apart from the next iPhone, what the fuck is happening?
>>21432143680% of that attendance is either women's studies or African studies for women who will just end up as receptionists and the rest are ITchuds. There is no innovation. I invite you to contemplate the strong possibility that we are currently at the very peak of human achievement. This is as good as it gets.
>>214320348well the viable theory is there is no gravity, just time curving space. so its not just there , so unfortunately anon your entire post is just incorrect, im sorry.
Magic is loose in the world.
>>214317311>cunt who did minimal coding got all the credit for thisHate women
>>214321818don't you just love her shocked face though? How she can't believe science brought her to this exciting polaroid moment?
>>214321542Time isn't real. It's just a perception of reality. There was no time before the 'Big Bang', There was no time after. We perceive it but it doesn't really exist as a force. It's just human/animals/plants being retarded.
>>214317026I'll be honest. I'm starting to think black holes probably aren't even real. I've become dubious of>We have no evidence, but we also have no other explanationClaims. They smell kind of religious.
So what is it?
>>214321947The latest fake cgislop from nasa.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noq4OtiZ54IIf people still believe in this shit at this point, I don't know what to tell ya.
Why do we even need to build super massive blackholes?Sounds like it will only lead to tragedy
>>214321947
>>214317026>New type of thing we're not ENTIRELY sure exists.I know they make sense mathematically, but still.
>>214317271>>214317955>>214317435Shitty influencers and journalists making exaggerated clickbait content aimed at retards certainly doesn't help public perception of science. But I'm convinced the sudden gripe 4chan now has with science is mostly a lingering sentiment from the pandemic. Covid seems to have irrevocably mindfucked society for the worse and you're all too confused to understand why you have these opinions. The world turned upside down for 2 years and now you guys think space is fake. You can't even separate clickbait journalism (which has always existed) from actual science because you're too mentally stubborn to do so. You are literally just contrarians who hold no real opinions. You simply think the opposite of the 'sheeple' herd even if it means being wrong. It's fucking lazy. Sure, why bother wasting energy learning and honing your own beliefs when you can just recoil from what normies are currently doing? This is a flawed strategy since normies (as retarded as they are) still aggregate around the truth. When you have a repulsion to normies you are dooming yourself to a life of misinfo and paranoia. You are not special. You don't need to be contrarian bitchesHundreds of years ago people like you would be illiterate and ploughing fields. But instead because of industrialised society you waste your time writing nonsense instead of ploughing fields. In a world where there are still uncontracted tribes at the same time satellites orbit other planets with unfathomable precision, of course you are going to have everything in-between – anti-science retards and all
>>214317271But escape velocity is a real thing, so unless you think speed of light isn't real then there will be massive stars that light can't get away from.
>>214317371Visible light is quite visible.
>>214322508Scientific development has slowed down ever since all the papercllip scientists died.
>>214318391They've been trying to work out the shape of the universe for decades. It's a either 'flat' or very close to it (in the parts we can see).
>>214322516>wrote all that shit>>214322045>yet can't refute a single one of theseEvery single time.
>>214322546We can't know for sure about speed of light being real. Like all theories, it could be debunked by the next discovery. Remember when scientists thought it wasn't possible to break the sound barrier? Yes, we know more than we did then, but we also know that we know a lot less than what there is to know.
>>214322516>suddenPeople at least in this part of the internet have hated ''Trust The Science(tm)'' since they outgrew their edgy atheist phase.The big turn that created this animosity for shitty ''science'' was atheism+Later people started talking about this insane cuckolding fad and people in the science cult came out in defense of cuckolding and feminism, which further turned people away form the science cult.Then transgenderism became a thing and the entire science community, both pop and ''real'' science went to defense for trannies so people lost any faith they had in these freaks.The covid shitshow is just the latest event. People already hated these freaks by then.
>>214322602What shape is it when it' not observed?
>>214320203>t-t-tryhardConcession accepted.
>>214322516The problem is midwits who think they are super smert because they've read shit on the internet. The type of person who learns a fancy, 10$ word and uses it constantly without fully understanding how to use it.
>ANOTHER UNSPEAKABLE COSMIC HORROR!!!>AAAAAH SAVE ME NIGGERMAN!!!!
>>214322648We know that we don't know what we don't know but do know that we do know what we know unless what we don't know becomes what we do know and what we do know now becomes what we do't know.
>>214324196lel
>>214317311She's hiding that nose on purpose
>>214317877>Bachelor of Artshow does an art degree qualify you to be a scientist?
BABE WAKE UP NEW SCIENCE JUST DROPPED. Oh my Thanos this is so epic
Phone takes a photo, colors the pixels to make you look better >perefecly fineTelescope takes a photo, colors the pixels to make you see the gas cloud >REEE SPACE IS FAKE NASA JEWSexplain yourselves
>>214317026HOL UP
>>214317026>New type of black hole>*Neil bends over and spreads his fat asscheeks to show off his gaping anus*Based !
>>214317026>circles>nothing to see here lads there's nothing just an empty void of bullshit
>>214322664You retards can't into theology either. As much as you think you reject current programming you are the perfect product of it. No believes, no aspirations, just happy to be left alone in your niche to consume whatever flavor of entertainment you find enjoyable.
>>214321894the big bang is becoming more bunk by the day lol why reference that theory
>>214322362Only joking!
>>214324661Tranny pedophile projection.
OH MY SCIENCE
>>214322516It's christcuck spam, same as crying about boobs or horror movies. A lot of them are brown too.
>>214317026always hated this pedantic nigger>"the apple is red">"WELL NOW YEAH IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE THAT TO THE LAAAYMAN, BUT ACKTUALLY THE APPLE IS WHAT SCIENTISTS CALL 'PELLUVIAN SCARLETTA' WHICH IS ACTUALLY DIFFERENT TO REAL RED IN A NUMBER OF WAYS etc."fucking faggot ass
>>214324264known knowns and known unknowns and then unknown knowns and of course unknown unknowns
>>214317026I thought it said a new type of black people
>>214324948tru
>>214317252they keep changing the math models to make black holes a thing
>>214324805Not all of it is. I hate Le Science fags making declarative statements about as-yet-unknown phenomena, or using really loosey-goosey arguments from ignorance that religious fags or ancient alienists use.
>>214317252you have to understand the lack of information they're working with lol. it's why theories are so important, trying to fill in the blanks and adjusting as you go.
>>214324713You are a jewish slave.
>>214317308ok reddit
>>214317683>implying is not a cycle and finite
>>214317955lel
If you guys want a good space YouTube channel check out John Michael Godier. I’m not a shill I just think it’s honestly really good compared to all the slop ai videos out there these days.
>>214317311>man in back worked 72 hours straight, doing the math over and over again, while the lab's server farm has been over stressed compiling the data, potentially requiring IT staff full of men to stay at the lab to make sure the servers themselves do not blow up>woman comes into lab at 9 AM to take a cute picture in front of object, everyone hails her as the hero.
>>214317311>replies saying guy did all the codingTurns out the picture was camera artifacts and not an actual black hole lol. So if guy did all the coding he’s a dumbass too
>>214317026No way, bussy 2 dropped?
>>214322516I fully agree that pop-science, intended to get people interested in science, has done a lot of damage because of retards who make it their religion.That one anon is right that people /here/ never liked "Hell yea Science!" stuff as it was considered pretty reddit (though don't go archive diving before 2010), but an overlooked factor is that compared to 10-15 years ago, there are more third worlders on this site for whom this may be a genuine stance and not just trolling.
>>214317026Why does /tv/ eternally seethe about NDT? Is it because an intellectual black man existing disrupts your racist rheotic?
>NDT: Ayo so the shizzle be black and den dem be crackas taking the crak from da black and den da churps go chirp chirp and yall know that aint no old black hole so it gotta be new
>>214317026>"YOU GUYS WONT BELIEVE THIS, BUT WE JUST DISCOVERED A NEW TYPE OF BLACK HOLE!!!">bends over and spreads his cheeks
>>214318184there's interstellar radiation/magnetic fieldsbig whoop
>>214327282AYOOOOOO NO CAP??
IM GON TAKE YA TO OUTA SPEHSTO FIND ANODDAH RACE
>>214317252Relatively speaking, they are called black holes because we really don't know what they are, we come up with scenarios based on our observation and made up math but anything could be there, maybe is just a cloaking device, and we have our own that we can't see from inside.
>>214321436Solar panels will become 5% more efficient.
>>214327282gottem!
>>214322648It can't be that hard to turn on a light (or send a radio signal) and very accurately measure the time it takes to register a long distance away. So we do know how fast light travels. Now even if you don't take that to be the grand speed limit of the universe it still means there will be very large 'black' stars.
>>214322704Could be curved, even to the point that if you travel far enough you end up back where you started. For that to be the case the universe has to be far, FAR larger than we will ever observe. It's like people centuries ago not knowing Earth was round because at typical human scale it's flat. Now imagine humans never being able to travel very far or high.
>>214325077All it needs is for escape velocity to be real and for light to not travel instantaneously. The former is high school level physics and if it wasn't correct then rockets wouldn't get into orbit.
>>214327711>based on our observationFairly simple maths predicts their existence without ever observing anything.
>>214318515people hate God for those reasons. basedience is your false god
>>214317965Weird how black he looked back then. Now his Puerto Rican side is more dominant.
>>214327282Kek
>>214326490>picture was camera artifacts and not an actual black holeElaborate.
>>214317026
>>214317026>new type of black holeokay show me the bodycam footage
they've just found about OP's mom
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