why did coming close to death make doy do a 180he hates her so much in the start of the season
>>214325648Any webm requests
>>214325696He was being tsundre
>>214325696I felt the same watching it. I guess they wanted to portray the bad trip he had with the tea in mycogen changed his mind but the execution of it wasnt that great
>>214325718That scene where the black guy get searched and you see his big plump ass
>>214325752Episode & Timestamp?
>>214325648>How should Day get the head from the high priest?>He'll just run in there and beat him up, he's been an action hero the whole time.Does the show just feel generally dumber this season?
>>214325822He would be trained in martial arts since a young age, there have been multiple incidents of assassination attempts so it makes sense to train him in self defense. they had already established this in earlier seasons
>>214325648Filler episode.>>214325696Mommy issues. As a kid he just wanted to be loved by her and he couldn't get over being rejected.Now he understands her motives and wants to free her.
>>214325791S3EP5 10:31-11:07
sex with daysex with demrezelsex with gaal
>>214326243
>>214326457DAYYYYYYUMMMM
oh it's finale already next week. well it's all good. we will
do you think mommy will kill brother day after he frees her from her programming?
>>214326726nah her caring goes above the programming
I've read the books and still have no idea who the fuck the Mule is going to be in the show
>>214326862I honestly doubt they will pull the "le mule was actually someone else!" Twist in the show >>214325648Somebody posts some webms of planets being destroyed
>>214326898>>214326862the question that answers this is who was the baby in the flashback
I liked foundation deathstar more than SW deathstar ngl
>>214326942black holes baby
>>214326975HOLY KINO
>>214326766she killed that other dawn
>>214326975lucas wishing he was smart enough to think of something like this instead of uhhhh big laser???
>brother dusk has to get on his knees and thank brother day for stopping his death by freeing demerzel from her terminator mode
This show is making me vegetarian lmaopoor little lamb
>>214326726Before, she's programed to serve....whatever that name was again.
>>214327009She looks 45 in this show and 55 in real life.
I fast forward through all the scenes without the cleons and I honestly don’t believe I’m missing anything. I assume gaal is trying to keep the foundation going and running into obstacles? the mule is taking over stuff in space and being psychic or something? k.
I've never watched this show or read the books. Should I watch this? I heard it was bad when the first season came out then idk people didn't say much.
>>214327309s1 is bad to mids2 and s3 are Kinoplex
>>214327141it's ironic that in a show with a dynasty of increasingly flawed clones, the most dysgenic-looking characters are everyone besides them
>>214327330WrongS1 is mid with some kino momentsS2 is pure slop aside from the endingS3 is bretty gud
>>214327309s1: boring midtier shit saved by empire kinos2: boring midtier dei shit saved by empire and demerzel kinos3: finally learned their lesson and give us almost non stop empire kino. even put gall in empire scenes so we can't skip them.
>>214327367you confuse my disinterest in the brown people for racism. perhaps a fair assessment considering it is /tv/. no, my disinterest stems from the Apple TV Plus mandated soap opera breaks between the brown people. the cleons are the only real science fiction in this science fiction television show. please kindly fuck off in assuming we are kindred. the day you die will be a marked improvement for humanity
i watched the first episode of S1, found it pretty decent, and then dropped it a few episodes after when it was obvious they weren't making any effort to adapt the books (which do need a lot of adaptation, but holy hell not like that).can someone who has read the books and (somehow) stuck with the show explain what the show actually is in relation to the books? like i see stuff about the mule, but also stuff about the empire still being around? in the books the mule shows up well after the empire rump state is gone, trantor is like an abandoned agricultural planet when they get there. also did they do the clown fake-out, it'd be weird if they didn't because it's like the one time asimov shows he's an actual writer lol
>>214325648This is not a TV show, its a horror show of godless DEI fantasies about taking over the roles they never earned.
>>214328015>what the show actually is in relation to the books? The show follows the general plotline of the books but shuffles things around and adds their own headcanon in some places.Empires demise is postponed to coincide with the mule arriving, which is actually a really good choice because empire in the show is superior to the books due to the genetic dynasty and daneel/demerzel playing a much bigger roleThe most egregious deviations from the book are related to Gaal Dornick, who leads the second foundation, and also to the general concept of single people being able to change the course of history if they try hard enough, which kind of defeats the whole purpose of psychohistory.
>>214327106I never looked her up IRL, but she's quite good looking in the series.But, she's also fully doing the acting like she's a robot thing, and not too bad at doing it.
>>214328182but what about the clown, tell me they'll do the clown
>>214328248Nordics are basically robots so it comes naturally
>>214328315That's what's up in the air right now. Magnifico is in the show but still shrouded in mystery
>>214325648the size beaitufil my ass quecnehed
>>214326898>Somebody posts some webms of planets being destroyed1/3
>>2143288532/3
>>2143288783/3
>>2143288782nd is the most kino>cloud city there>blink>cloud city not there :)
>>214327009
>>214328114This is the type of shit I dont say in real life when people ask me "why havent you watched this remake of <IP I love>?"
>>214327572>>214327778So far one of the worst things about the show right now is the retarded clothes the space influencer dude wears. They really couldn't give him a new wardrobe in the last couple episodes where days have gone by?Also the retarded contemporary dance sequence that told us the story of robot extinction for the 10th time. I shouldn't have gotten my hopes up for robot cultists, thought they could make them not retarded considering how the episode that lore dumped about the mother religion in the first season was pretty good.
>me entering the thread knowing fully well it's just a few guy who actually watch the show and 1-2 haters that show up every time just to post the same lines again and again
>>214329469>so how did you like Rings of Power, Anon?Uh, sorry but I guess I just dont watch much tv anymore, normie-sama. It's not like I'm extremely prickly about cultural race communism and feminist shit or whatever.
>>214327141The mule's been pretty good since the attack on terminus and vault hari might become a problem next season since he wants a human body
>>214325696>>214325744>>214325956He understood robot chose to give him freedom instead of love after the tea you media illiterate retards
>>214330475>He understood robot chose to give him freedomCould you elaborate on this? How did Day exactly realized that was what the robot did
Can someone explain why everything in a space opera has to come down to a fucking doomsday machine?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCJfIV1mZsw&list=LL&index=1&ab_channel=Perfectblueblue
>>214325718Yes, the hoverbike chase from ep 1 or 2 of S3 please.
Predictions for the finale?>mule attacks trantor>second foundation hides in library>dusk aims novacula on trantor to nuke the mule and second foundation>demerzel wondering if she should betray foundation to save empire>day gives demerzel skull which frees her and solves her paradox, allowing her to save foundation>demerzel helps gaal get on novacula and gaal sabotages it but gets stuck in its black hole>mule is defeated but cliffhanger shows magnifico is the real mule
>>214330954not a prediction but I really want a robot war flashback. just one crumb before we have to wait another year.
>>214330823Couldn't find any hoverbike chase in episode 2. Episode 1 with Uncle Mallow is way too long, want any specific part if it?
>>214330717watch The Expanse
Is this the last episode? I'm waiting until the finale
>>214331092>is way too longPussy
>>214331214Last episode is next week. This was the before-last episode.
>>214329003So...would this be basically a Wave Motion Gun?
>>214331092You know the section I am talking about anon. The one where they are on the planet where the sunlight hits you and you turn into ash unless you are in the shadow of its moon. Got to be no more than 1:30. Its our first intro to the Uncle dude as hes running from diversity hire and asian man/woman. Here, this look familiar?
>>214325822>>214325875You forget the whole assassin ass-kicking? >>214329747Have a (You) you magnificent bastard.
>>214330717It was written in 1951. Every day is doomsday.
>>214325648The whole season could have been told in 2 episodes. Filler Season.
>>214331514The books don't have planet killers. The Novacula is a show invention.
>>214331545it could've been told in 10 minutes if you really want to. i think you're missing the point of stories
>>214331247>>214331414Its too long of a sequence and I really need to shrink the webm down a lot to get it under 4MB file size limit
>>214331676No one asked for the whole scene. A clip is fine
>>214327790>you confuse my disinterest in the brown people for racismAre we, though?
>>214331330or as I like to call it the penultimate episode.
>>214331330It's second to last episode.
>>214331676Then do as you did for Crite Killers little tantrum with the Pembrose Mirror if you could please.
>>214326898>I honestly doubt they will pull the "le mule was actually someone else!" Twist in the showIt's Magnifico. He played for all the foundation nerds and they even made a point of "HEH HEH OKAY WELL LET'S GET ALL OUR COMMANDERS IN HERE TOO TO HEAR SOME MUSIC :D" at the time, and they made a point of explaining how most of foundation's soldiers and pilots were throwing a shitfit and it was their commanders that were doing the dumb shit. Plus he's friends with Bayta since she's the only one who was ever genuinely nice to him. Unless they're specifically trying to piss off book nerds by having a 100% Mule analog and then not make him the Mule>>214326933I think the baby's a red herring. That's probably just an implanted memory or something, hence Seldon saying the story didn't add up
>>214331868Actually anon, ty, that you posted may be enough! You got any that shows the Galactic Councils pseudo O'Neill 3 cylinder?
I think the show is getting better but, upon rereading Foundation, it's obvious there's missing potential. For example, the show doesn't really explain why the Empire's collapse is imminent. Visually, the books portray Trantor as completely cut off from nature to such a point that most people never even see the outside world. They also describe how the planet has tens of thousands of ships supplying it with food, goods, etc. because the heart of the empire is fully dedicated to administration and becoming increasingly specialized, centralized, and therefore vulnerable. They describe a weak Empire dominated by nobles and bureaucrats. Basically, Trantorians are utterly coddled and incapable of surviving any challenge. None of this is conveyed in the show. You just don't get a sense of why Hari Seldon's predictions are true, whether visually or narratively.
>>214331887The problem is that they wrote themselves into a corner regarding the twist. The mule (the pirate) keeps having visions of gaal, he's the one who wants to find the second foundation and has all these conquering thoughts even without magnifico nowhere near. The pirate mule also has mental abilities without magnifico being present.The only way a twist would work is if the show does a "teehee, magnifico implanted all that evilness into the mule and he also somehow can control his telepathic powers!!!" Which would be insanely retarded.
>>214331868>>214331917Help me with the episode and timestamp
>>214331957>None of this is conveyed in the showIt is, it's just never spelled out and usually sidelined for the plot.There are more than enough indications that trantor is a capital type planet that gets all of its shit supplied to it, and has nothing else going for it other than being the seat of empire
>>214332009>The pirate mule also has mental abilities without magnifico being present.I don't think we've actually seen that. For the first point with Pirate obsessing about Gaal and everything, since he's the puppet-Mule the actual Mule presumably has some standing orders to be looking for them since he's the one that would've actually cared. Gaal saw Pirate in her vision, sure, but similar to why we've seen Pirate in people's heads I assume it's because it's who people THINK is the Mule. If you're being mind controlled by the bald dweeb in the corner while stinky space pirate is talking about how he's mind controlling you, you (And presumably everyone else watching) is going to think it's Pirate doing it, so in your mind when you think of the Mule you think of PirateBack to Pirate having powers, I'm not sure he does. The only times we've seen him genuinely 100% using powers are during scenes where he could easily be hiding Magnifico in the background, like the episode 1 opening scene where he walks out of the woods and fucks everything up, and after he conquered his first world and was swanning around the dining room (Again, Magnifico in the background). After he took the Foundation he made Indbur go drown himself, BUT Indbur got a full blast of Mule-music earlier and again, Pirate is the one being presented as the Mule so all the Mule has to do is implant "You love Pirate you'll do anything he wants" and Pirate continues thinking he's got powers. The most questionable bit is when Pirate is molesting Dawn in his ship you get some wibbly psyker effect going on, but unlike most psychic scenes we don't even leave the scene to get some internal mental shenanigans which leads me to believe Pirate is thinking he's reading minds when he's doing jack shit since Dawn hasn't been Mule'd
She cute!
I read the ending and it sounds retarded. The fool attacks some random planet they secretly sent him to and gets super sad then they use that to lobotomize him and send him back to Kelgen? That's not very climatic.
>>214332359>she
>>214332259>The most questionable bit is when Pirate is molesting Dawn in his ship you get some wibbly psyker effect going on, but unlike most psychic scenes we don't even leave the sceneI was fine with your theory but here you're just coping. Sure I can imagine the show throwing this in as a red herring but it's an insanely disingenuous, retarded red herring bringing me back to the point that it's too late now to execute any sort of twist in a great manner I can imagine the show going the route of "mule gets defeated, magnifico takes his place when nobody expects it". That sounds much more plausible to me
>>214332411I bring it up because that's the one area that does look most like Pirate still has powers, but since the end result is just Larry David-ing Dawn, it makes me think it's all in Pirate's head. And Dawn grunting and groaning like he's being brain-raped is probably just because he's got spiral cut hams for legs now. To be honest I expect them to do some shit like the baby was the Mule and Pirate is in fact his retarded psychic but not as psychic brother because it would piss me off, but the way everything's been presented I still have a bit of hope that Pirate's just some random jackass warlord that's puppeted more than anyone else
I hope the robot head arch pays off.
Why didn't the robots just escape into the dark depths of space where no one could find them? You're telling me there's no robot ark ship floating around in the dark zones?
>>214332393meds, now!
>>214332582it's a man baby look it up
>>214332638You better look up the dosis of your schizo meds.
>>214331778Well, I’m brown, and that’s your actual mistake assuming everyone on here is like you. I know you guise like this weird parasocial internet group hug thing because your void on the inside is hungry for validation from others but nope, I do not participate in your tribal internet conformity. Go ahead and insult me for being brown now as is your npc programming. Feel free to surprise me but your speech module has needed an update for nine years now and your admin has fucked off
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>>214325648Dusk literally did the right thing and everyone is mad about it. The ferret scene and the fact that he conveniently could hit every single target except the Mule was fucking retarded though. Sloppy writing.
>>214326457Full hottentot.
>>214333454The right thing would be inviting the mule to trantor and nuking him from fucking orbit
>>214330717To be fair. They asked for it.
BROWN FLAT-CHESTED LITTLE ANGEL
>apple has infinite money >they make mid shows with itWhat gives
>>214330954I knew it was Magnifico. He's too similar to the book mule.
>finally, at long last, the Death Star episodeDusk is unfathomably based, and is so in all iterations
>>214326457Faggots
>>214333730you forgot well-rounded
>>214333454>and the fact that he conveniently could hit every single target except the Mule was fucking retarded though. Sloppy writing.I would agree with that BUT in season 1 it's established that the foundation was out on the absolute frontier of the empire at its peak, and the empire has shrunk significantly by now, and their big doomsday weapon deterrent would've been built to threaten the other factions within the empire since there's no external threats to the empire. So I can understand the weapon being able to hit the other major factions but not the foundation. Where it's stranger is it would imply the weapon is being fired through some FTL portal if Dusk is able to have planets killed in real time like that, but it's sci-fi so you can say the warp field generated by surrounding the beam with bobalon particles dissipates when exposed too long to the reversed polarity of hyperspace hence it can't reach the foundation and job's a good un
>>214335800>the foundation was out on the absolute frontier of the empire at its peakI guess that would make sense. The ferret thing was still stupid. And all sci fi is shit for speed and distance to be fair.
>>214331476>>You forget the whole assassin ass-kicking?yeah
>>214332671
>>214327106perfection
>>214328878brother dusk was fantastic in those scenessometimes he outshines day
>>214336785Really was a great scene>named after a farm animal>BOOM
Someone needs to make a Brother Dusk "billions must die" meme.
>>214331957>because the heart of the empire is fully dedicated to administration and becoming increasingly specialized, centralized, and therefore vulnerable. They describe a weak Empire dominated by nobles and bureaucrats.They've been showing this the entire season. It sounds like you want them to read the book to the audience.
>>214326975So was the weapon just nearby with the planets Dawn destroyed? Or because of le blackhole it can just fold space and blast the laser wherever the target is shieeet
>>214331957Well they're not allowed to put that out in ZOG propaganda (as all american media is) because it would reflect badly on neoliberalism, the state religion.
>>214332033For the one with the GF base? Uh...The Fate of All Tyrants, midway through iirc.
>>214331957So...Coruscant?
>>214336936The emperors have no real power in the books and no one really cares for the Empire's fate, including the bureaucrat who sends them to Terminus just so they stop bothering him. It's a sinking ship without a captain. You just don't get that same feeling with the show, with emperors being strong and proactive to the end. In the books, the Empire's fall is a foregone conclusion. Here, they keep teasing that it might keep going if some of the actors make the right moves, which makes for better drama but also contradicts the books' psychohistory premise.
>>214332578The humans have spacers. Put your phone down.
>>214337053>I don't have an informed opinion on the matter so here's some political hokum for (You)s(You)
>>214337380It was a perfectly informed statement. And it answers your stupidity, you faggot shill.
>>214337255>It's a sinking ship without a captain.>the Empire's fall is a foregone conclusion. They've been beating the audience over the head with that since season 1. Maybe you should stick to watching snyder movies since you are only comfortable with panel for panel retellings.
>>214337426(You)
>>214337429>The Empire is falling>Why? Because math magicIf that explanation "satisfies" you...
>>214337494You're dumb and got filtered. Don't project your understanding of those scenes with my takeaways from them. Stick to the book and wikipedia articles so you can feel important.
>>214331957Well, that and they don't understand scale. Iirc, Trantor is about the size of Ganymede or a bit larger per the books. Based on this, the people who are on the rings should be...12 miles tall?
>>214336903I would have hunted him down just for his gay name>"Everybody else in this galaxy manages to have a cool sci-fi name, and you roll up here with The fucking Mule. You piece of shit hipster contrarian faggot, I'm gonna fuck you in the ass, then I'm gonna dig up your dead family and fuck them in the ass too, FUCK you"
When do Dusks usually get dusted?I thought they only they do that when they got really old or frail like in season 1 but this Dusk is still at his peak
>>214332549I was hoping (and we MIGHT get something in season 4) that has flashbacks to the Robot Wars, or even better, the loss of the Sol system.
>>214333535Hey, don't reveal Ep 10 The Darkness yet!
>>214330717Better question after looking at the pic I posted, why is he igniting but his clothes are not?
>>214331547So was this stupid fucking OE.
>>214334021What more can you expect from the man who played Ugg?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WznSk-Dj7S0&ab_channel=ScreamFactoryTV
>>214335800>>214335943Well, when it was first used, >>214326975 you can see it has travel time. It is probably FTL, just not folding like their general means of transport.>>214327036The funny thing is, this is more realistic than the DS or Starkiller. You just need to harness a black hole the size of Ceres.
>>214331176>reads the books>by the end, they get ships not to different from picrel.
>>214337286The humans having spacers has nothing to do with robots escaping on their own ships. Spacers can magically find any ship anywhere? Yeah fucking right lol
NO BOOK SPOILERS ALLOWED.So what are the leading theories on the big reveal that is imminent regarding the Mules "true backstory" that has been hinted at a couple of times now?
>>214332359i want to impregnate that ginger pussy so hard
>>214338845This. Understand that the whole of Foundation is a deterioration of technology as time goes on. They are falling from a peak reached around the end of the Robot wars some 6000 years before.
>>214339014Considering Goyer at the helm? No fucking clue since he is a student of Abrams Myster Box method.
>>214339014The big reveal is he's doing it because it's fun. He has no bad story. He's a kid raised by good parents fucking around for fun. He's actually a robot.
>>214338052Demerzel claims a previous Cleon shortened the lifespan of the Cleons as the clone degeneration thing they have makes Dusk get dementia before the original kill-date.This is also why Dawn is becoming Day early.In earlier seasons, Dawn had aged to look like Lee Pace when he ascended to the middle throne. In this season it's still the younger actor. Similarly, Dusk isn't in the advanced age makeup as he doesn't get to live that long.Basically each Cleon lives like 10 years less now or some shit.
>>214332009>Which would be insanely retarded.We're dealing with a Death Star and a psychic that instantaneously rewrites peoples' brains.I don't really care if the Mule was in the books - it is a profoundly retarded concept from the get-go as almost all stories involving ridiculously powerful psychics are. Warhammer doesn't even get that fucking retarded even the most powerful beings in that universe can't fucking rewrite multiple brains just by looking at them. The entire story could have focused on the simple struggle of the Foundation and not have all these ridiculous one-off cultures like Mycogen and the three planets Dusk vaporized - nobody fucking cared about them to begin with so I can't imagine anybody caring they got nuked.The entire fucking twist in the books was that the Second Foundation was on Terminus headed by Demerzel - that should have been the fucking thing they did. They had it all setup perfectly by making her a robot. They could have had Empire and Jared Harris and ditched the fucking cast after the first season.
>>214339285>TerminusI mean Trantor
>>214339285I know this is moot, but you know who the Mule is a stand in for, right?
Where are all the cool aliens?
>>214339285>Warhammer doesn't have powerful psychicsI'm pretty sure there are psychics in Warhammer that can rewrite reality and destroy everything may I have a source for your view?
>>214325648>constantly keeping kino Lee Pace's screentime to a minimumThese people need to be tried
>>214339171>clone degeneration thingThis was a completely stupid plot point. It's ridiculous to think that the original Cleon (and Demerzel) did not have his entire genome mapped and have backups to ensure purity. How else could they fucking make more clones if not carefully using the perfect genetic code each time - you can't just sample from living Cleons that's just a window to allow mutations to enter the line.They forgot the most simple thing about Cleon - he is smart. Nobody wants to watch a retarded Cleon they want to see a person with their full mental capacity deal with these problems even if they fail. I don't mind fat Day - he's just a smart guy who doesn't give a fuck. But making Dusk senile is so terrible because you can't tell if the cruelty is him or the dementia.
>>214339478Do you mean that in the books the Mule disguises himself as Magnifico?
>>214339551No, from the aspect that this whole story is the fall of the Roman empire...IN SPACE
>>214339504They need to just kill of the rest of the cast and make the show about Empire. We're already a good part of the way there after Dusk's actions.
>>214339752I don't really buy that. It's been a long time since I read the Foundation series but the fall of the Roman Empire is far more clear in my mind and I just can't really accept that the books or the show ever come close to Rome's fall in feeling.Like I really enjoyed the part in the book where the Foundation merchant escapes imprisonment by bribing an official with a nuclear-device knowing that there is no way the technology can be maintained. But the moment Morgoth and various other telepaths and bullshit entered the story it stopped being any kind of analogy to humanity's crawl out of the dark ages. It became a story about magics and magic spaceships. I seriously wish I hadn't read all the Foundation books and just left Asimov at I, Robot.
>>214339905Fair enough honestly anon. Part of the reason no one wanted to adapt Foundation for all those years because in all honestly, its pretty poorly written, even by Asimov's own opinion. Anyway, The Mule is a analog to Jesus. Have some more Not Gundam Colony.
>>214330954second foundation is on ignis>>214330475retarded for demrezel maybe
>>214328853May may may i dare to say based.I knew that Empire was based, but not that BASED
>>214339514their shit was degrading in season 1, the dawn had different eyes or somethingand then that gardener seduced dawn to get their genetic code or something; to fuck with the cleons
>>214340154"I always though calling a planet the Maiden was just asking for it to be deflowered." I know my image isn't right but...meh. Btw, was the look that the Mule had one of horror that this guy is worse than me or amazement at a future opportunity?
>>214340384>You eradicated a religion!>well they claim to reincarnate Dusk was on FIRE this episode
>>214340472Classic!>S2, I wiped a planet and my own fucking fleet!>S3, indeed...hold my beer.
>>214340079>analog to JesusI see it, the whole conversion thing and all. And I do love me a Jesus analogy. But I'm going to stick by what I said that Foundation has too much stupid shit going on to make a Rome or Jesus analogy land.The thing about Rome that makes it so interesting is that everything about its fall is very human so much so that we can see examples in today's world. I see Rome and Jesus in Foundation but the problem is that it doesn't feel human - it doesn't even feel sci-fi. It's fantasy, and even with Jesus-Mule playing God in the story it just wasn't written well or right.
>>214340079The first Foundation book is hilarious.Only one woman speaks the entire time and she’s a backstabbing whore who sells out for cheap trinkets.
>>214340666As Issac said so himself Satan. But, shit story aside, at least we get our space opera with over scaled shit.
>there are people that didn't figure out magnifico is the real mule from the first scene on kalgan>and still didn't figure out when explicitly told his music is hypnotic>and STILL didn't figure it out when he played for the entire 1st foundation leadership who then handed new terminus over on a silver platterbruh
>>214340817A product of its time. Much smoking cigars and discussing civ. over Bourbon.
>>214340866well I guess you are right that this is the only theory that makes sense now unless the mule can rewrite people's minds literally while being on a different planet. I am coping though because they have been misleading so much that it's no longer fun if they do this twist. I dont have enough brain capacity to untangle all the little misleading scenes they had but there is no way that this was done properly.
>>214340666>>214340817They also fucked up the Scion of the Empire. Its not to look like this...
>>214326457that's a big black ass alright
>>214340841>at least we get our space operaI don't think any old space opera is okay. Some minor thing that snaps me out is every time a Cleon is able to leave the palace - it's not acceptable. It's space-future, meetings should just be in the open because it's fucking Empire and he can do whatever he wants. Like who cares if Demerzel knows she has the power of the decant she'll abandon you with a thought so why not go everywhere with a real escort to ensure you don't get decanted. It just totally retarded Demerzel didn't know about the Novicular.
GAAL IS THE MULE / WILL BE THE MULEand if you have doubts, just rewatch gaals interrogation by demerzel scenefucking retards still claiming magnifico this bayta that
>>214341139that is true, it doesn't make sense that Empire can't simply order her to not kill him. Nobody knows she has any power, and I mean does she even have any real power? she is officially just an assistant, apart from having a bit of physical robot strength she has no actual power. Empire can simply order her the process to be changed, like wtf...
>>214341079But unironically like Blake's 7 Federation emblem. Funny how Empires history starts off as a holding company that owned Trantor.
See kids the mule is a clear example why 40k had it right in shooting psychics on sight
>>214341171>it doesn't make sense that Empire can't simply order her to not kill himDemerzel has been forced to follow the Three Laws of Robotics plus Rule-Zero. Rule-Zero states that a robot cannot by action or inaction allow humanity to come to harm, but this has been tweaked to mean Empire rather than humanity. This is why she can kill any of the Cleons for good reason because Empire is more than just any Cleon.Also, the palace staff would be fucking retarded to not understand Demerzel has total authority short of a Cleon.
>>214341139>>214341171Thats Goyer et al for you. It's a progressive story about FREEDOM, or some shit. Just give us flashbacks to when she was he, he being Daneel or Eto, etc. Give us the fucking Robot Wars, the peak of human and machine tech and when everything was going berserk even more than this little meltdown.
>>214341330Anon, she off'd iirc Dusk as Cleon XVII when he and the Cloud Dominion bitch found out about her.
Is this show any good and worth watching? Im desperate. I feel like I am scraping entertainment bedrock here. I watched both Avatar movies this weekend and last weekend because there's literally nothing left to watch. It's like I've seen it all. I just want some good gooooood sci-fi.
>>214340866Well I mean people could have just looked at the picture.
>>214341388If you ask me the Cloud Dominion lady needed to die because she knew the robot secret; Dusk needed to die because he cared for her and would rebel with her death. I think these qualify as "good" reasons.
Thought the Mule was stupid in the books and now also here. The only reason Asimov even put telepaths in the story was because of that robot short story 'Liar!', which had the telepathic robot. I liked that, but not sure why he had to have people with the ability. I guess he wrote himself into a corner with the math being able to predict everything.
>>214341512>that nosehmmmmm. Or a thinner Jon Pertwee.
>>214341522No, it was a big thing back then started by Heinlein. The "Golden Age" of sci fi is just a echo chamber...much like it's always been.
>>214341330you are right in that sense, throughout time people would have definitely wised up to her somehow always being around. Then again, how many people know palace internal comings and goings. The show certainly acts like nobody knows what she is even doing or what here role is. So in their own internal story logic, she is not known to have power. She doesnt even seem to be rumoured to have power although they changed that in the last episode where she asked for the forbidden book and she said "I'm empire" and the librarian knew what she meant and went through with it.
>>214341693I never really understand why Foundation was considered so great. To me his writing shined with his robot short stories. After I read all those and got to the detective and buddy robot novels it took me a lot of time to adjust to the different style, which I thought was poor. Though maybe it was cause I'm not into detective novels.
nvm i can see this is more garbage to throw onto the pile lol
>>214336926Or just "consequential". Love that guy.
>>214341767They were getting paid for words per book anon. Hubbards Scientology is a consequence of this.
>>214341767Foundation was one of those things where they threw money at Asimov to make more. Actually, most of Asimov's career was writing any old thing because people would pay him - like Stephen King. And no surprise, the vast majority of their stuff is total garbage.You have to remember that science fiction fans treated Star Wars as the greatest thing ever. Like really think about that, Star Wars does not hold up today yet they still think that. Hitchhiker's is a shit series and any sane person would realize the fandom are the same meme-deranged people today. I only read books like Foundation and Dune off the hype of that generation. And Dune is just as stupid - you really can only talk about Dune positively in broad terms without going into details such as the existence of prescience and interfering with prescience.There are very few "classics" in science fiction. Canticle for Leibowitz, Neuromancer, and Brave New World are the only two I know of and read.
>>214337645>killing billions to save trillionsLiterally did nothing wrong
>>214341964>You have to remember that science fiction fans treated Star Wars as the greatest thing ever....que? Iirc, the classic authors, save Heinlein, thought it was shit. They all agreed that it created what would be a standard that would never be broken...and they were right.
>>214342134I don't know what the writers at the time thought of Star Wars but the fans today, the ones who watched Episode 4 in theatres, have no taste. Yeah it set a standard, a stupid standard that seriously damages all modern media with its influence because it's made by people who think Star Wars is good.
>>214325648Lee Pace and Cassian Bilton are relentlessly handsome.
>>214342277And thus, the visual aspect of "used future" which now dominated the look of EVERYTHING over the last 48 years. Its ruined sci-fi. This look can never return with any honesty because most people think it not just camp, but not "grounded". Wtf is to say what will look grounded in the future? Space X has been giving us that for a few years now.
>>214342281The Cleons are top-notch casting.
>>214338265Based
>>214342498All three of them
>>214342281that boob window guy is not bad either
maggie doesnt look like a bad guy at all why would he be the muler
>>214342736That's kinda his whole schtick in the book, that nobody suspects him
>>214333454>Dusk literally did the right thing and everyone is mad about it.One could make a case that Dusk nuking three worlds despite the Empire losing ground enough for it to already be a strain is some petty shortsightedness and childish waste.
>>214342134I don't see what's so shit about Star Wars, can you at least say a single sentence to support that or is this just "circlejerking"? It has some goofy stuff in it but so what man.
>>214342822He's dying soon and he thinks his brothers are dead so he's just taking revenge on everyone who wronged him no matter the consequences
>>214342736He isn't the Mule, because if he was, Gail was standing right in front of him and if Magnifico could puppet Euron Greyjoy to murder everyone in a room then he sure as fuck could choke Gail and everyone else out in that room too.It's retarded to even have that character around except it's all but certain Magnifico is the actual Mule and it's just going to be forgotten that he had a shot at killing Gail just like they let Hari let the Mule go for his "secret" and just like they just conveniently didn't wait for the Mule to go to a planet where the Death Star could hit.
>>214342968The Mule wants to find the Second Foundation and destroy it. If he kills Gaal, he might never find it. He wants her to lead him to them.
>>214342922>>214342436One can look at Star Wars today and think it doesn't make any sense. They still have hot shot top ace pilots dog fighting. When if anything we are headed towards Ender's game style warfare.
>>214343003Honestly, I've skipped every scene that isn't the Cleons but I'm pretty damn sure the Mule at the end of Season 2 screams out that he's looking for Gaal. If he says he's looking for the Second Foundation, great, but I don't know when he was made aware of it let alone cared about it.If you ask me, it'd be way easier to kill Gaal right there and find the Second Foundation through process of elimination as you whispership to every fucking planet.
>>214342922>I don't see what's so shit about Star WarsDescribe good science fiction. No examples.
>>214326975>black hole bends light coming from its accretion disk>black hole doesn't bends light from the hexagon sphere behind itboth laughable and patheticfucking niggermonkeys: both those responsible, and those enjoying it
>>214328356and women should be robots, so they look better when they behave like tobots
Can't the Mule change bodies like the lady in season 2? >note: I thought it was hot as hell that she took over the body of the girl
>>214343090Sadly, the best science fiction will never get adaptations. The Risen Empire duology won't ever be seen on screen, which is maddening because it's excellent. A pity the author chose to go all-in on YA books because they're easy mode.
>>214326975why didn't empire just wait until mule conquered a planet within range of this and then explode him?
>>214333454>he conveniently could hit every single target except the Mule was fucking retarded thoughTarget range is a thing you know. Clearly the range was good for planets within Empire's reach but Kalgon which is halfway between Foundation and Empire was not as the Mule had deducted
>>214336785All 3 of them are great, they need good writing to shine
>>214339504Its not fair for the other guys if he keeps stealing the show with his talent & charms
>>214342436>but not "grounded"sahr, there's little ground in space, sahrI mean, come on
>>214340384imo Mule saw that Empire has potential to end him & his plan with this new weapon and is very vulnerable.
I just figured out the twist the show is gonna pull.Bayta Mallow is the actual Mule. She made Euron (another mentalic) a patsy to execute all her plans by making him believe he is the one who went through what she did. Magnifico is her brother who she had left as a baby in that farm planet and has Euron get him back an realizes Magnifico can enhance mentalc powers exponentially or something. So now she plans 4d Chess by making people focus on Euron till she is able to execute her actual plan in the endI am pretty sure the show is gonna pull this for DEI points
>>214325648only empire and demerzel is kino
>>214342281>mfw I only realized recentlt Cleon is just Clone with letters slightly arranged differently
>>214325648>>214325696>>214325718>>214325733nuFoundation: Hack writers that hate the source material take a huge shit on the original themes, characters and story.Stronk black femalze push a narrative loaded with plot holes and the dialogue is contrived turdes polished a cast hired for diversity over talent.
>>214343030So...human piloted machines as suicide drones?
So day is going to bring the head in some big forgiveness ark, and the minute Demerzel is free, she’s going to yeet him into the sun right?
>>214343030The rebellion did not have the infra to build droid pilots and had to make do with droid navigators. Empire did not want to spend money on droid pilots when they had death star and could replace human pilots with other humans without much thought
>>214343852jewtrannyans aren't Human
>>214343875I think she is not gonna be free and kill day. But the head would maybe come in play next season
what dumb cliffhanger will season 3 end on? will we even see the mule and gaal finally meet like in her visions? neither are even close to trantor at the end of ep 9.
>>214344323Literally nobody other than Empire is on Trantor. Trantor gets shot by the Novacula; Demerzel is off-planet. The Novacula is destroyed because the hack writers introduced it and are too useless to actually write a setting when the Death Star doesn't get destroyed by some retards so obviously it gets destroyed by some retards.Optional: The current three Cleons survive.
>>214344512i mentioned trantor cause demerzel says gaal and the mule meet there in the ruins of the library. so either that memory is fake or they will meet there at some point. the show has referenced that vision a billion times throughout the seasons, so it better come back in some form.
>>214344580That's a good point. So I will double down on the stupidity. All that plus Trantor gets blasted while the Mule and Gaal are in the library in order to kill them both. They think the Mule is dead but in fact it was Magnifico all along.They, or at least Gaal, survives in a black hole because she borrows Seldon's 4th dimension bullshit.
>create a show from a famous source material>change the script to give the main hero roles to black females>give the white actors roles of made-up villain dictators of a decadent empire, whose very procreation is a degenerate affront against god and nature>white actors nevertheless end up carrying the show and everyone loves them and skips over Mary Suesheh.
>>214344580Both Gaal and the Mule have Whisperships, presumably that means instant teleportation.It's just Game of Thrones all over again, distance is irrelevant, the characters will be given whatever stupid contrivance necessary to put them where they need to be.
>>214344656your post is mostly right, except jared harris is a white guy and plays a good character. but they will probably make him the villain soon enough
>>214344656The empire is not even evil anymore so your post doesn't even make sense.Sure dusk is evil in the old empire sense, day is morally grey leaning towards good with his redemption arc, and dawn is a straight up goodboy shill for the second foundation
>>214344842sorry i dropped the show but how can day have "redemption arc" and dusk is evil, if dusk used to be day and day will be dusk?
>>214344913They are still three different people anon
>>214344323The real Mule reveal would be the clihanger and also Gaal "dying" in a black hole only to return next season somehow
>>214345050The black hole will be the novacula black hole, won't it
>>214342822isn't it about him wanting to make his mark on history, he's old close to death and desperate to be consequential
>>214342691who's the boob window guy please?
>>214345097I think it would have to do something with Vault. Faux Hari would scoop her from 4D and it would just mean her not existing in 3d. That or Prime radiant shenanigans
>>214343109this. a proper documentary would use scientific papers that solved how to contain a black hole. and don't get me started about sentient robots, completely unrealistic
>>214343240maybe because he dies in a few days?
>>2143449353 different dusks are 3 different people.
>>214343109Because the Sphere is much larger and farther away than the event horizon, you retard
>>214345251tell demerzel to do it
>>214345225the mule's bf
>>214345376so forfeit his revenge just so some robot can save the galaxy?i don't see that as a part of empires character
>>214345390does this sort of shirt actually get worn in real life, anywhere? it is so distracting on the show. it makes every scene it is in seem like a joke.
>>214345489not by men
>>214345390
>>214345390Great shirt tho. The costume designers do a great job with The Foundation.
>>214342683literally me
>>214345390thank you, fren
>>214345489how do you flex your pecs then brother?even the most loose tank-tops are not adequate
>>214345245if you're gonna bother representing it, at least bother making it look OK>>214345266not how it works, numbnutsblack holes bend light enough to show stars that are far, far, far behind them, so the hexagon thingie is gonna be lensed in large partalso, the black sphere you "see" isn't the event horizon: it's the black hole shadow (which is about 2.5 larger already than the Schwartzchild radius, ie the event horizon, for a rotating black hole, which is the only kind of black hole that makes sense anyway: so already far from the actual event horizon, light is very much affected)and all light that passes through several further shadow radii (so about an order of magnitude bigger than the event horizon) is well known to be severely lensed, which is my point, you drooling imbecile
>>214345515i wish we had big busty whores on this show>>214345593that does not look like the same type of shirt, but okay.
>>214345675>that does not look like the same type of shirt, but okay.>t. iq 20
>>214345675brainless booba enjoyer
>>214345390I like how jacked he is
should I watch this show? I was thinking about it but it looked like it was full of groids so I never bothered
>>214346084It's pretty gudI'm usually turned off by 3d slop but the premise is really cool and it's well written
>>214346111OOOPS wrong thread kek>>214346084If you like sci-fi and large scales then yeah it's good. Be warned though the slop factor is a pyramid, meaning it keeps increasing throughout s1 up to the middle of s2, and then starts decreasing again. S3 has very little amounts of slop
>>214328853Wasn't the Galactic Council on some enormous space station habitat rather then the planet?
>>214346234Yes, the habitat is shown shortly before that shot
>>214346084no its woke slop
>>214341625>>that noseMost of Asimov's writing is about smart science Jews having duty to lead the cattle masses
>>214341964>You have to remember that science fiction fans treated Star Wars Star Wars is just a rehash of Lensman series from the Golden Age of SF. It even has Space Empire and doomsday weapons.
>>214346254It's kind of saving grace of the series, they go beyond the standard depictions if space empires and there is a bit of an effort to show heights of what a galactic civilization would look like, even at its decline.
How do you respond without getting all your people killed?
>>214346399something went wrong
>>214345530You know exactly why.
>>214326433>Gaala friggin midge
>>214327309You can only enjoy this slop if you didn't read the books so you're good
>>214347541The books are slop too, especially the latter ones
>>214347693I don't process book criticism from TV watchers
>>214341964>t. I want to read political thrillers but think I'm too good for that airport novel trash, so I exclusively read the handful of sci-fi novels with that vibe and pretend they're the only good one because it lets me feel smart even though I'm dumber than a bag of rocks mounted on two short planks being carried by a retard.
this looks so fucking bad...glad I jumped off after the first couple of s1 episodes
>>214345489In the show that dude is like an influencer and it fits with the fashion trends of that era
>>214346399At that point it was already too late
>>214327309The non source material parts depicted in the show are pretty kino
>>214348209But you are missing out on Empire kino
>>214325822Have you read the books? It was dumbed down for American audiences from the beginning.Here's what you should do
>>214326457Reminder that medium-sized white penises are literally builded for Big Black Zesty Butt (BBZB)
>>214331676Here's your Isaac Asimov adaptation, bro
>>214325648During his lifetime, when Isaac Asimov--who had been to the Soviet Union--give 1984 its bad review, he commented that it was unrealistic and unthinkable that any state would have children informing on their parents and neighbors on each other, and called Orwell a reactionary Nazi for slandering Communism.
The whole Mule plot seems really stupid, is it really in the book?
>>214349737It's even stupider in the book because there's an ebin twist that the mule was actually someone else all along
>>214349058>Empire kinowhat kind? cartoon super villain or actually competent complex hierarchy?
>>214349737it is but there's no point in drawing parallels between the book and the show, that ship had sailed in S01E01
>>214343315I didn't think much of dawn in s1 but he turned up really good stuff in this season
>>214343354they can stand their ground
>the single most kino scene in all of Foundationhttps://youtu.be/t05qXF5QLWw?si=-q1EBjBQatxFrHAL
>>214350978Don't fuck with Empire
>>214350978Do you think he fucked her every now and then?
>>214350978>There. All Gone.So fucking KINO
Did Frank Herbert plagiarize a specialized group of people mentally controlling other people plotline in Dune from Foundation?
is this show good or nah
>>214352676It's alrightIn terms of sci-fi it's the only decent one currently running
>>214352676It has kino moments
>>214352377They both copied from each other
>>214350978Wonder what happened to her
>>214352377No, they both stole it from DeCamp who in turn stole it from Doc Smith
>>214352725bad parts of season 1 are very bad but the good parts of season 1 are very goodit never reaches those points again but overall it improves season to seasonthey are constantly trying to dunk on the white boy emperors but they are so lovable and based they are cool even when the writers try to bring them down
>>214353153Far worse than that. Recall how Demerezel was found by Cleon I. It can be applied to humans as well
>>214353225the show said daniel was just reprogrammed
>>214353153I dunno but I hope she was joined by this one after they shrouded hershe was cloud dominion wasn't she?
>>214353175>they are constantly trying to dunk on the white boy emperorsThey finally learned their fucking lesson this season There's been exactly zero emperor humiliation rituals, even the one for day where it seemed he's gonna get trialed he just killed the cult leader like the absolute chad he is
>>214353158Who stole it from Alfred Bester
>>214353307What the fuck is going on with her makeup, she looks like a 5 year old playing around with her mom's makeup kit.
>>214353307she looks like a clown here.
>>214353779they all do
>>214353774>>214353779what a stupid overreaction to such a minor thingit's no worse than fashion choices encountered today or in the past across centuriesfashion gets outdated fast and emerging trends are ridiculous as wellsomehow fake baboon asses are being push and you're weirded out by some eye makeup that is very subdued all things consideredthey have to keep giving them distinct looks to to keep the cultural change visible throughout the centurieswhat's the name of that nasty monkey who was twerking in that marvel showand you're pissy about some marginally wider eye shadow
