Why is Tom Bombadil cut from all adaptations?
>>214328979>too OP>hard to explain>gay songs>wife too sexy>adds nothing except deeper lore (also never mentioned)
>>214328979pretty sure he was in at least adaption or two
>>214328979Because the books are full of childish shit like that and PJ couldn't sell his film if it was going to be another generic children's fantasy b-film like those made in the 80s and 90s.
Cancelled after nappropriate chats with teenagers.
kind of kills the stakes of the ring when this guy can pick it up say this is gay and then prance off without a care in the world
>the One Ring corrupts everyone who comes near it>except this fucking faggot in the forest>also nothing interesting happens with him anyway
>>214329152they address it in the books when they're at ElrondHe'd just forget about it and lose it somewhere
>>214329208right but im saying no one in theaters would take the journey seriously with this dude
>>214328979It is a very long story.
He is in Rings Of Power and when you've seen him in that you understand why he wasn't in the movies.
>>214329229Middle Earth being a place where you can just encounter unfathomably powerful entities by going to the wrong place, raises tension.
>>214329266He was also in khraniteli
>>214329057>gay songsdidnt stop pippin
>>214329289no
I feel like discourse around this character is completely warped by secondaries who learnt about him from a wiki page. His narrative purpose is to contrast with the ancient wickedness of the Old Forest and the Barrow dens, but that context is completely lost on power scaling tards who talk about him as le funny dancing man who could beat Sauron to death with his bare hands (completely false btw).
>>214329393unfortunately my first experience with him was in battle for middle earth where he hops and skips around while the enemy base fucking explodes
>>214329475he plays banjo or some shit from what i recall. also video game is adaptation too so op if getting so butt raped about his claim he not being in any adaptation
>there's no time to waste, we must leave The Shire!>anyway let's stay in this forest
>>214329289>the are OP beings everywhere who could solve this problem if they wanted to, but they don't This is the opposite of raising tension.
>>214329630This and he does it entirely in his forest of faggotry. No fucks given then he rides some eagles.
>>214329692>No, it's not tense walking through a forest where incredible being show up who'll sometimes try to kill you, sometimes help you, or sometimes just not give a shit.Stuff like that is like half of celtic and slavic folklore
It would have disrupted the pacing. That said, it would have been nice if there were a long-format LOTR, like some 1970s era BBC mini-series, which are always longl, drawn-out and boring, into which his arc could have been inserted with minimal loss to watchability.
>>214328979Annoying hippy freak with an unhealthy interest in ponies. I remember reading LOTR when I was about 13 and being enthralled up until it all comes to a screching hlat when they encounter Bombadil. It's so jarring just kills the pacing. He's not a bad idea in itself - this immortal, mysterious being who gives no fucks about the world outside but he's used badly. Should have been edited out.
>>214329990Bombadil scene is better in bored of the rings
>>214328979because he's boring
peeves coming through
>>214329188that's... like a very interesting thing to happen
>>214328979Because despite what Tolkien said he definitely intended for Tom to be his gary stu gay ass insert. That segment was pointless in the book just to pad it out and would do the same in the movies.
He's too white.
>>214329771Yeah except with Tolkien being a catholic you can tell right away if an incredible being is on the good side save for the treacherous snakes like Saruman who are shady as fuck anyway, and the incredible beings on the good side will never kill you or not give a shit because that's not how God works.
>Tom Bombadil is a merry FELLOW>Bright blue his jacket and his boots are YELLOW
>>214328979Because he is a holdover from when Tolkien's mind was stuck in the children's fairytale mindset of The Hobbit.He should have learned to "kill his darlings". Bombadil doesn't fit the tone of LoTR in any way.
>>214330270He shows the way to Sam that you can be free of the ring if you reject power and accept a simple life of simple pleasures, which Sam does.
>>214330266>look at me ima afucking JEW>i know how to copy blacks and rhyme like YOU>to show im clever and know how to rhyme, im going to repeat this verse ONE MORE TIIIIIIIIIME>YEAAAAAAAAAAAHi hate the music industry.
>>214328979normies don't like real fantasy and magicit's why lotr doesn't have really any fantasy and magicit's just trilogy of bunch of fanooks walking into a fucking volcanolol
>>214330270I always thought Beorn would be cool in a movie but then I saw the Hobbit movies
>>214328979He was in rings of power but he wasn't a particularly merry fellow and his boots weren't even yellow
>>214330292Sure, but his whole CHARACTER and his MANNERISMS do not fit the rest of the story. Which is why I am certain he is just an unused idea leftover from The Hobbit, where it seems all his silly clowny nonsense belongs.
>>214330309>why lotr doesn't have really any fantasy and magicBecause what you call magic in Lotr is merely the power ordained to every being by God, which is bound to God's laws, and cannot expand in any way because only God can give power. That's it, that's magic in Lotr. Fallen angels who were given great power by God can do a lot but they become weaker as they consume God's gifts and cannot replenish it, see Sauron becoming a literal shadow getting blown away by a gust of wind in the end. Those who wield power in accordance to God have a more natural and less traumatic decline, but it's still not magic, it's God.
>>214330365Yeah, Beorn and Bombadil are the same type of character, written in the tone of a fairytale for young children.
>>214330405it's a bear fucking shit up, that works in any kind of story
>>214330404You're reading way too much into Tolkien's Catholicism.Tolkien was always a weird case. It's hard to be an anarchist and hate any concentration of power while being a papist but that's literally Tolkien.
>>214330510Dude I don't recall now but it's literally explained that's how bad immortals disappear in middle-earth, because they use up everything god has given them in ways god does not approve and they end up with literally nothing. Melkor being the only exception because he managed to corrupt all humans alive at some point so as long as there's humans there will always be his darkness in middle-earth.
>>214330510Tolkien was an anarchist? Source?
>>214330510The Catholic Church spent centuries trying to convince everyone they’re just a humble organization serving god.
>>214330510It’s just anarchism for we, not for He
>>214330656https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Letter_52>My political opinions lean more and more to Anarchy (philosophically understood, meaning abolition of control not whiskered men with bombs) – or to 'unconstitutional' Monarchy. I would arrest anybody who uses the word State (in any sense other than the inanimate realm of England and its inhabitants, a thing that has neither power, rights nor mind); and after a chance of recantation, execute them if they remained obstinate! If we could get back to personal names, it would do a lot of good. Government is an abstract noun meaning the an and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people. If people were in the habit of referring to 'King George's council, Winston and his gang', it would go a long way to clearing thought, and reducing the frightful landslide into Theyocracy.
>>214330612The Fall of Man is a shit story that not even Tolkien could make sound good>Humans: Eru, I can't do this>Melkor: I'll help you humans>Humans: thank you Melkor, you are the one true god>Eru:>“Cursed is the ground because of you;>through painful toil you will eat food from it>all the days of your life>(which I am also making much, MUCH shorter than before)It can't be helped, God comes across as an absolute dick no matter how much any writer tries.
>>214330308kek, too true.
>>214329630could he have carried the ring to Mordor?
I liked the tom bombadil song but every other time someone sang was so cringe on audiobook I instantly started skipping thembtw who play goldberry
>>214330270there was a lot of grim shit in the Hobbit inspite of it being a children's book.
>>214330308heh
>>214330510His catholicism is the literal basis for everything in his work, anon. Here is his version of the Original Sin.>The story begins with the Voice of Ilúvatar speaking in the hearts of the newly-created race of Men concerning their making and their purpose in the world. Soon after they hear this Voice for the first time, Men begin to explore their surroundings and make words. However, they find this endeavour difficult, and often ask the Voice for help. But the Voice avoids giving them direct answers to their questions, since Ilúvatar prefers that they discover the world themselves "and become wise". Most of the Men thus quit speaking to the Voice.>After some time, a being who looks like them but is "greater and more beautiful" appears among the people, and offers his services as a teacher. This person is actually Melkor in a fair disguise. The race of Men listen to his teachings, since he proves more willing to impart information to them than the Voice. Melkor speaks often of the Darkness and its power, and during an apparent solar eclipse he uses the fear of Darkness to get Men to bow before him and abjure the Voice, since he claims that it is the Voice of the Dark that wishes to devour them. Once he has their loyalty, Melkor orders the people to build a House to his worship, where they pray to him and hear his commands. Every single Man living is said to have bowed there, thus bringing the Shadow upon them all.>The Voice of Ilúvatar speaks one more time, and pronounces judgment upon Men for these deeds: "'Ye have abjured Me, but ye remain Mine. I gave you life. Now it shall be shortened, and each of you in a little while shall come to Me, to learn who is your Lord: the one ye worship, or I who made him.'"
>>214331060Why is Eru so petty?Why is Eru such a shit parent?
>>214330792very interesting, I never knew that. thanks anon
>>214329057
>>214331031You don't know the meaning of the word 'tone'.
>>214328979do brits really wear green hats and dance with trees??
>>214331209>>214328979>>214329057he unironically serves a great literal purpose but brainlets dont get itthe point is that the fight with sauron isnt a battle for the planet and its not the end of the world. there are being around who just dont give a fuck about it. its like trannies pretending that ukraine is a fight for freedom/democracy or whatever but it just doesnt really matter at all unless youre on the front lines of ukraine also given the performance of the ents, i think gandalf underestimates toms power. had he really decided to give a shit and faced sauron in pitched battels in defense of his realm im sure he could have gathered the ents or entwives or both along with all sorts of other whacky shit and made sarumans ass reaming look like a heroic last stand in comparison after making sauron his bitch. imagine forest dragons, giants, all sorts of nature spirits etc just going ape shitthere are actual massive spirit-giants in lotr and im sure tom can call in a favor to them
>>214331563always have a smashing good time dancing with the trees and singing the Faery Song with me mates
>>214330308kek
>Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo!Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal the willow!Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRVIVJjuaHE
it would be cool if they remade it as a TV series like harry potter is doing and they included everything and characters stop and do a gay song for 3 minutes to pad out the time
>>214331662Close but he was cursed by Eru to a) not care about the world to which he became ontologically bound and b) to forever sing in atonement for his corruption of the original melody.
>>214332263shut up retard and keep your starwars eu lore to yourself
>>214331662literary*
>>214329057>wife too sexyshe's a hostage, right? at least i got that impression from her introduction>>214330908Gandalf says that Tom would misplace it along the way since he cares so little about it
>>214331662Retard, if Sauron wins that's it for the age of Men, it's literally a battle for the fate of the world. Even in the book (which you didn't read), they say that if Sauron wins, Bombadil will fall
>>214332236>like harry potter is doingBetter they didn't.
>>214329057FPBP
>>214332430no it doesnt nigger retard faggot. gandalf thinks that if sauron wins tom *may* *eventually* fall. thats it. and im responding to that statemetn directly in my post which you would realize if youre nigger retarded ass actually read the books instead of the wiki.and besides, the men in the east exist just fine. hell men existed under MELKOR just fine. its literally a battle for forms of government and thats basically it
>>214330908Tom could have eaten it to destroy it. Leaving the ring in Tom's forest for protection would be a tossup. Maybe Tom gives a shit that evil enters his forest and destroys searchers, or maybe he never notices orcs coming to reclaim it, or maybe he finds it and wears it for a cockring for a thousand years until he loses it.
>>214328979Same reason the talking fox who shows up for one paragraph gets cutHe sucks and he's irrelevant
>>214333068>its literally a battle for forms of government and thats basically itlol fuck off with this postmodernist horseshit
>>214333543you can whine but its fact that in the story men dont disappear when working under a dark lord. its been going on for thousands of years and its also fact that not everyone in the story even cares about the war. the "free peoples of middle earth" fear living under a tyrant, not being geocided which is why they think its a dumb idea to use the ring against sauron because it will just corrupt them into a tyrant as well and they wouldnt have solved anything
>>214333691>men dont disappear when working under a dark lordyeah they're just subjugated to be his slaves for eternity
>>214333068Anon, you have brain damage.
>>214333710>>214333778as they get killed or jailed for disobeying their lord which isnt any different in gondor or rohan youre just a hysterical tranny. everything cant be the worst thing in the world or else nothing would be. sauron isnt fighting a war of extermination so you saying its one just makes you a dumb faggot. but i bet you think those sandniggers in gaza are totally out of line for fighting for their survival...
>>214333823u r dum and 3rdie
>>214333823>tranny>gaza(????????)What the fuck are you talking about?
>>214333823>but i bet you think those sandniggers in gaza are totally out of line for fighting for their survival...oh I see you're one of THOSE retards who has to make literally everything about muh Gaza. Get a fucking life, retard.
>>214333823Subjugation under an evil force is a complete spiritual defeat. You might as well be dead.
>>214328979>>214329057He adds nothing to the story and is a derails it at best and filler at worse.
>>214334036he makes the world bigger and more realistic by reminding you that the setting doesnt just exist to have this one war and that its larger than the current happenings of middle earth
>>214334390except there are multiple other cases of stuff like that so its not like he is really needed for that
>>214334460what other character doesnt give a shit about sauron?
>>214334036Bombadil himself is a bit strange but the Old Forest/Barrow Downs scenes do a ton of legwork for establishing the hobbits as characters. He himself is sort of a weird deus ex machina that saves them from doom a couple of times. Definitely a little strange how tertiary he is, not sure if he was from an earlier draft that Tolkien kept in or what.
>>214328979too fun fucking based and makes faggots seethe because it's not bulders gate 3: asssex with furries edition
>>214334594i like that non-human characters dont act like humansi dislike how in fantasy you have all these different races and being but they all behave like modern leftist americans
>>214333823>>214333068>>214331662>Brings up Ukraine out of nowhere to let everybody know he's a snow nigger>Russian then proceeds to self identify with the haradrim and the wicked men of rhun>'Melkor is just an alternative form of government'You can't make this shit up LMFAOOO
the old man willow and barrow downs were cringe filler episodes. and the whole scheme of buying another house.I liked bombadil though. it is cool there is an oldfag who has other kinds of magic and doesn't care about sauron
>>214328979Why does he have a little schizo moment with Grand Elf regarding Goldberry? "Yeah, that singing? Its nothing. Now smoke this resin with me, my dude."
>live in a comfy corner of the shire>dancing around, singing songs>gets to plow prime elf pussy every nightLet me guess, you need more?
>>214335235look up The Last Ringbearer for extra silliness
>>214335214In the LotR books Men don't really act like men, they are more like heroes of myth (the prominent characters anyway). The hobbits are the real modern "men" in how they are characterized. This is pretty much lost in the movies, though. The elves are similarly "humanized".
>>214335489yes they do
>>214335484>Yeskov bases his novel on the premise that Mordor is home to an "amazing city of alchemists and poets...the heart of the only civilization in middle earth to bet on rational knowledge"Im fucking dyingThey are beyond parody. Imagine being a Russian bro. They see a nigh biblical force of evil and think "literally me!!!" KEEEEEK
>>214335663No. They don't.
>>214328979Because he's a useless nigger that doesn't have any effect on the story.
>>214335691Upvoted, my fellow organic 4channel.org'kateer!
>>214334582The eagles?
>>214335663No, Aragorn is basically a King Arthur figure (or someone like Sigurd but that's a bit more obscure). Boromir, Denethor, Faramir are all portrayed as noble/strong beyond what's "normal". The Rohirrim are not quite on that level but still exist on another tier. It's meant to be emulating a true mythos and the named characters reflect that, much like The Iliad or The Odyssey where the main named characters are almost all ordained by the gods in some way or another.
>>214335691>>214335865mordor literally does represent modern society (us, russia, europe) so i dont know what youre redditing out about>>214335731yes they do. there are real people that arent coward. they all have normal human emotions. gandalf, theoden, aragorn, boromir...what non-human behavior do they exhibit? they fear, they are uncertain of what to do, they make mistakes, they change their minds and change course etc
>>214335891>mordor literally does represent modern society (us, russia, europe) so i dont know what youre redditing out aboutWhat does this have to do with what I responded to? You're also wrong, Mordor certainly is inspired by industrialization to an extent but it isn't meant to represent "modern society" at all.
>>214336007industrialization is modern society
>>214328979Why didnt Varda just insta kill Sauron?
>>214329393i literally read the first book and gave up around tom bombadil because it was so fucking boring. they stay at his house for monthes and it describes them eating mushrooms and food and basically being an adoptive family together and then crying when they have to leave his home. its fucking rediculous.
>>214336310thats not how it works
>>214333068oh my fucking god. you have that interpretation of lord of the rings? so you are a russian hipster faggot?guys, the reason why this guy has this interpretation, is because an adaptation of lord of the rings was made in russia that reframes the war as sauron being the good guy and as it being a war about different forms of government. reframing the fight as being afraid of progress basically.
>>214333823even in the films it makes it clear that sauron wouldn't kill all men he would just enslave everyone and rule with tyranny. it shows a vision of what the world would look like under saurons rule and it just shows people like mining lol .
>>214335865>>214335891i'm not that anon. i'm pretty sure tolkein him self has said that the race of men represents all that men can be at their best and at their worst. and the hobbits represent man as they usually naturally are. when men aspire to be great, they can be noble and ignoble.but often men just want to have a family and be safe and happy. (hobbits)
>>214337217Tolkien pretty specifically wanted LotR to be a northern European "mythology" so to speak, since many of those tales were more or less lost in time. The "Men" definitely have flaws (Boromir being the most obvious example) but are still more than what a "man" in reality is. He has spoken about it multiple times. It's very obvious if you read the books that it is meant that way. Aragorn and Boromir are both giant gigachads who do things no one could do in real life. It isn't supposed to be realistic.
>>214337462To add to this, the hobbits are very much "realistic", not just because of their small stature but because their deeds are achieved via internal means, showing their unusual valor and courage for peoples so ordinary and pastoral. This dichotomy is very deliberate.
>>214328979He was in the GBA gameWhich was what I did first so when I saw the movie I was super confused about why he wasn't there
>>214336310She is a valar and Sauron is a maiar. He is beneath her. He is not her problem
>>214338623they dont really have mind power bullets. is she and sauron fought im pretty sure he would kick her ass
>>214336789Pete Jackson trimmed the fat and made a perfect first film
>>214328979Tolkien does a lot of bumble fucking to justify why his kids favourite bedtime story character is in tlotr. Just like how he bumble fucks about with retconning parts of the hobbit as ‘bilbo lied’ just so he can get the McMuffin to have a deeper lore.
>>214338784>Sauron gets his ass beat by a Valar's pet doglol no. Valar are elemental and can shapeshift. They can body Sauron
>>214328979He's kind of a dickhead>oh ring a ding dingle dongle bingle bongle ho ho ho fuck the rest of the world and the dark lord and his evil ring, I'm just gonna stay here and plow this river-woman>on your way now hobbits, yeah, that way, just go right past that cursed burial ground haunted by mummified corpses animated by demonic spirits that'll sacrifice you to Morgoth while praying for the end of the world>ho dee dodle ring a ding dildo I'm tom bombadildo
>>214338820If the novels have fat, then they are fatty like a rib eye.Jackson's trilogy is great, but you are comparing hamburgers to steaks. >>214338902Get your cholesterol checked and start walking more.
>>214339099imagine being at lord of the ringsso fat you look and see food
>>214339099Tom is literally a bed time story character made for `Tolkiens children before the hobbit and tlotr was made. He plopped him in there for their entertainment.
>>214339017there is no difference between valar and maiar besides power mr wiki and sauron has made himself more powerful over time and is a better fighter than some random bitch valar. without tulkas (a valar that can actually fight), melkor would have taken them all out single handedly
>>214339133Tolkien's work helps sustain me. >>214339165Yes yes, your fedora is large. We know. Please consider taking it off sometime.
>>214328979apparently he is tolkein's gay self-insert
>>214339361>gayDo you even Goldberry?
>>214328979Tolkien too white! It doesn't reflect the large diversity that populated central Europe on which the stories were based. Also, as history has observed, White people never do anything kind or for the good of others, only a consortium of colors and genders are peaceful, productive, and forward-thinking. This is just science!
>>214339306That's not how power and evil works in Tolkien.Sauron is at his physical weakest during the event of LOTR.Everything Melkor & Sauron do to obtain power and influence weakens them in the long run
>>214339165>He plopped him in there for their entertainment.and now its my entertainment
>>214339798shut retard and just read the books instead of the wiki. its not comic books, the valar arent all great fighters or something and they still have to pick up swords and shit to kill someonemelkor kept using all his mana to change the world and make mountains and shit. sauron is just fucked up because hes already died twice. but we know hes a good fighter and roles around in armor and can handle a weapon and we never see varda doing anything of the sort i think too many of you wiki redditors get confused and think gandalf got extra power and sent back after his death by manwe and not eru
>>214339938>wikiIt's called the Silmarillion. Read it some time
>>214335891>yes they do. there are real people that arent coward. they all have normal human emotions. gandalf, theoden, aragorn, boromir...>>what non-human behavior do they exhibit? they fear, they are uncertain of what to do, they make mistakes, they change their minds and change course etcWhat he is saying is that Men as featured in LotR are as superior to us as Numenorians were to Men. Men in LotR tend to exemplify the highest forms of mankind as we exist. More of their kind are strong, sturdy, noble and upstanding. They aren't as engaged in frivolity in the same way as the eccentricities of the Hobbits. That is not to say that it never happens that there are cowardly Men, but that as a whole the race is presented as mankind in a more halcyon state.
>>214338784>>214336310Valar dont interfere directly because when they did during the war against Morgoth they caused too much collateral damage.Its like if the US, instead of invading Iraq, they just nuked it.That doesnt mean they didnt care, they sent five Maia to help, one of them being Gandalf, and the books even imply Varda herself directly helped Sam and Frodo when they fought against Shelob.There's also the thing about deities in LOTR wanting mortals to be in charge of their own fates.
>>214328979His cock is too fat to fit in frame.
>>214329126Yah bro they gotta show manly shit like frodo and sam throwing each other gay looks awkwardly for three and a half hours. I like to watch that shit while oiling my pecs, homie.
>>214328979>>214329091>Why is Tom Bombadil cut from all adaptations?Not from all of themhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmcieqFu5LA
>>214328979It should have been cut from the book. It feels like something he cut from The Hobbit and changed his mind later so he just slapped it in lotr
why are people accusing others of being russian in this thread
>>214328979Because he was God.And who hates God more than kikes?
>>214328979I want a mini series just on Glorfindel. >Slays a Balrog in single combat by driving it off a cliff during the fall of Gondolin. >Glorfindel dies from the fall as well.>Eagles recover his body and bury it on a high mountain top. >Flowers bloom there despite the area being to cold for vegetation.>Spirit sent to the halls of Mandos>Valar think so highly of him they bestow knowledge, blessings and instructions to him. >Valar then re-embody him in his original body, renewed and purified. >Help Elrond and Gil-galad during the war of the elves and sauron.>Gets sent out to track down frodo>Ring wraiths flee from him in terror>Wraiths decide they'd rather get fucked up by a flooding river than fuck with Glorfindel>Don't get picked for the Fellowship of the Ring>Spiritual purity and power is so great it actually breaks the fog of war.
Tolkien wasn't exactly writing stories that could be nicely wrapped into cinematic narratives. It would be like asking a Christian why God doesn't just use his unlimited power to stop all evil once and for all.
>>214331121>be Earendil>Morgoth about to push Arda's shit in for real>sail ship blindly west to seek help>find Valinor and cry to the Valar for aid directly>Valar get together and follow you back to Arda with an army>push Morgoth's shit in>get told you have to have your whole family choose between Elf life or Human life as thanks for sounding the fucking alarm because you set foot on Valinor in violation of Eru's mandateEru is a cunt, and Manwe is his buttpuppet.
>>214329126>The third age is over. My duty here is done and now I will consult Bombadil.
>>214331060>Death is supposed to be Eru's Gift to mankind>You pissed me off, now I'm making you die sooner???????
>>214339066Based Tom. Serves those Hobbiton city slickers right.
>>214328979same reason for removing the barrow downs, for the flow of the movie, also removed all poetry and songs
lotr should have been musical, Jackson is a hack
>>214328979fellowship falls into a pattern>frodo and co get in trouble>someone gets them out of trouble>gildor, farmer maggot, bombadil, strider, then glorfindeleasy things to merge into just strider, since that's aragorn who is in the other two books