>uhh oppressive caste based societies are good actually???
yeah its weird as hell that the minbari are depicted as the voice of reason despite their backwards ass society
Reminder: /tv is a Green board. Purple fags fuck off.
This show was so fucking stupid and stuffed with terrible actors.
>>214367980The show was bloody amazing and stuffed with terrible actors. I think they did it so that scenes with Londo, G'Kar, Mr. Morden and Bester would shine even more
>>214365896There is a hole in your mind, nigga. MinbarOWNED
>>214367946
>>2143679801/10
The creator of this show is actually diagnosed autistic
>>214365896>>214367159They literally have a civil war in the show.
>>214367980Ha, made you look fag
>>214365896This image makes it look like Delenn's giant face is at the front of the space station
>>214368089As are the fans
>>214367159Did you miss how their society nearly collapsed through infighting and Delenn had to restructure their ruling council to fix it?
thought S1 was kinda comfy Good episodes are really goodBad episodes are really badNothing inbetween. I think they kinda dropped the ball with the shadow war stuff a little bit, even before the cancellation-revival kerfuffle. The magic space Angel taunt working and 'we are gonna go choose our own destiny' bullshit doesn't really elicit as profound of a reaction as G'Kar's redemption Jesus ark where he accepts the reality that he needs to forgive and humble himself to save his own peopl
stopped watching when they gave delenn hair, dogshit decision
>>214368893did i miss what? tell us what happened lad
>>214368994i thought that resolution was kind of boring but after mass effect 3, it doesn't seem as a bad a way to wrap up your struggle against overpowered aliums who are way beyond you
>>214368994there's not many ways you can reconcile being an ant and coming out on top over the giant space wizards. making the ants equal or better in power to the giant space wizards never feels right.
>>214369093Mass Effect is just 3/5 Babylon 5, 1/5 Star Wars and 1/5 Star Trek put in a blender.
Schizokino
>>214365896
>>214365896BNC
>>214368089Explains why it was so good.
>>214369500Try farscape instead of star trek, there's nothing star trek about it rly other than the trek stuff thats generic scifi
>mfw another scene of the space shellfish acting morally superior when they tried to commit genocide for literally no reason>mfw they cry about getting nuked
>>214369025never happened, B5 virgin
>>214368060
>>214365896>>214367159They can legit change castes if it is their will?
>>214371363noRangers are your only other option to opt out of your caste.
>>214371420That is false. Changing castes is legit how the civil war ended.
>>214371431>if the other caste is willing to accept themwhich never happens>>214371446literally falseit ended because the worker caste now rules
>>214371480Neroon literally changes his caste before he dies you fucking purple!
>>214369500BioWare and Karpyshyn plagiarized a LOT from Alastair Reynolds’ Revelation space.
>most of the cast is dead now
>>214371640We didn't know how good we had it back then
>>214371640>be jew showrunner>literally find a fucking chemical waste site to make your fucking show for half the priceevery.time.
The Shadow War and Earth Alliance civil war are the pinnacle of B5.
>>214371807I honestly think they are the weaker arcs. Anything that follows the Centuari or Narn is the stronger parts of the show.>>214371835Tis the way of the Purple Fag
>>214369500mass effect was just star control 2 shifted around and nothing else. it wasn't even inspired enough to take material from multiple source.
>>214371942Ass Defect was just a thinly disguised rape fetish porno.
>>214369354"Get the hell out of our galaxy" while the ships are seen zooming off always felt weak. It was like a chihuahua barking at a semi passing by and feeling smug that it ran the truck off.
>>214371715That might have had an impact but also many of the secondary characters were played by actors who were cheap to get due to their past (and sometimes still active) substance abuse problems. That even applied to some of the major characters too.
>>214372619Wasn't the actor that played Garibaldi a legit alcoholic?
>it's another "muh poor brown illegals who dindu nuffin" episode
>>214372091>rapeI wish
>>214372733That's why they stick them in Brown Sector anon :^)
>>214367946Greenshits gonna green like the rest of their filthy kind.
>>214371363>sigh… im so tired being a part of the administrative class, i think ill file to become the lowest most replaceable class of hard laborer. After all, its the most populated class because its actually the most popular, in fact our leadership and bourgeoisie classes still some 5% of the population because, frankly, most of us don't want to do it. No, of course there isnt a massive pile of petitions to be transferred to a position of wealth, why do you ask?
>>214372733back in the day they legit had a special casting agency for weirdos like thatnow that's all they hire
>>214372671yes. jms tried to get him to sober up a few times but he just said lol no I like drinking. his final scene in the show has him lifting a shot glass off the shelf and taking it with him, apparently improvised as a fuck you.
>>214373014Nobody said it made any sense but when did the boneheads make any sense?
>it's another "Cmdr. Ivanova comes onto the bridge naked" episode
>>214372733Lil monkey fella
>>214371363how? they're different subspecies innit? the bone ridges are different
>>214371363>>214375710You guys don't remember Delenn changing herself to be more human? It's the same type of thing. Delenn was also supposed to change from a man to a woman originally
>>214376368it was a good decision to change her after the pilot, a whole season of that androgynous/masculine version of her would have been awful.
>>214369500its gears of war with a smattering of "le ancient aliums are coming to get you" stories that were popular at the time like revelation space
>>214376471Very true. I'm glad we got to see so much cute Mira in her feminine Minbari form.
and a terrible decision made after the pilot was robbing me of a yellow fever commanding officer.
>>214376368yeah but was that something they could all do? i forget the lore around it
>>214376889yummy 90s asians were so different. i wonder what's up with that. whites, spics and niggers are largely the same as they were back then.
>>214367159Their entire race is based off of a time traveling con artist from the future who assumes their form, the hell did you expect? All they are doing is spouting HIS ideologies and teachings.
>>214368089That's who I want writing my sci fi. They're actually going to give a shit about crafting an interesting story. Look at how nu trek is pure slop once the autists left the show. Now it's just "le generic sci fi adventures".
>>214376898I don't think so, the triluminary was coded to valen's dna and was a component of the machine they used to make the chrysalis, so it would probably only have worked for people like delenn who carried his genes.
>it's a brad dourif casually being kino episode
*does nothing wrong in your path*
>>214371640>>214371715>>214372619DeadDeadDeadDeadDeadHow do you apologize to them?
>>214377164Does that make the Mimbari space Jesuits?
>>214377707I want a house built by reliable people, with reliable materials.
>>214377707I WANT 2003 INTERNET BACK!
>>214377164He is the circlejerk made complete.
>>214377707Never post this question!
>>214365896Maybe try and watch the fucking series first? They literally show characters fight off the caste system multiple times.
>>214377424>Hi there's another powerful rogue telepath on your station I'd like to stop him before he kills and rapes more people.>OVER MY DEAD BODYEvery time.
>>214377707i want to have a boner again when i hire a prostitute!
>>214377707TND
>>214377988So thats why they cooperated with him every time he did so?
>>214377741
>>214378002how would the shadows realize this
>>214378175They could eliminate the entire nig homeworld
>>214378011After throwing a giant fit about it, yes. There was also that one time Ivanova tried to kill him in cold blood before he even made it onto the station
>>214378580I mean to be fair he's like a legit space nazi and would have literally locked her up if he figured out what she was.
>>214378027AAH! Mister Morden!
>You have our assurances that the Palestinians will be thoroughly dealt with, Mr. Netanyahu. A little bit of bad PR is a small price to pay for Greater Israel, wouldn't you agree?
>>214378768Would be more like a Brit wanting something done about India.
>>214378848But "Z'ha'dum" kind of sounds like "Jerusalem". You expect me to believe that that is mere coincidence? Fah!
for me, it's rebo and zooty
>Who are you? You're what you eat.
>>214377707Never ask that question.
>>214378986I don't get it
>>214378943>Zahad Doomthat doesn't sound like Jerusalem at all
>>214379042you sound like you eat fresh spoo
>>214372671And the guy who played sinclair was suffering from schizophrenia for decades before he died, even while filming. It was the reason he eventually left the show.
>>214379025Zoor zoot! AHAHAHAHA! Gets me every time!
>>214379529>Boomers thought this was peak comedy in the second age of mankind.
>>214379651still is
>The year is 2259. The name of the place.. is Babylon 5.Why does season 2 have the best intro? Best voiceover and by far the best music.
>>214377164
I never watched Season 5.
>>214380248You only watched Babylons 1 through 4?! Don't you want to know what happens to Babylon 5?!
>>214380248there is a lot of garbage (byron should have been a 3-4 episode arc max) and what feels like season 1 episodes in there, but there is some kino, off the top of my head the long night of londo mollari is a 10/10 episode, and the finale is one of the most satisfying of any tv show not just sci-fi.
>>214380248It's good other and worth watching other than the Byron telepath cultist arc which is bad and takes up far too much time in the first half of the season.
>give rogue psions the choice of joining the corps and serving society after learning how to use their powers properly>gives them the choice of returning to their regular life if they take drugs to suppress their powers>if neither of these are acceptable they only go to prison rather than face execution>this is somehow considered the worst possible thing imaginable when the alternative is having rogue psions going around mind-controlling, raping and mind-wiping people or killing them whenever they're identified?????>but there's bad people in psi-corpsThose bad people would be free agents if psi-corps didn't exist and instead of tardwrangling mindrapists they would be raping minds completely unapposed. (So would the people they spend their life tardwrangling.)
>>214380643You weren't paying attention.>give rogue psions the choice of joining the corps and serving society after learning how to use their powers properlyServing society by joining a crazy eugenics group that regularly shits on human rights and murders people, and is secretly working to conquer humanity. You have no freedom, you have to go where they tell you, work how they tell you, they even force you to breed with whoever they tell you like human cattle and then they take your children away afterwards.>gives them the choice of returning to their regular life if they take drugs to suppress their powersThe drugs turn them into miserable braindead zombies thats why Ivanova's mom killed herself>but there's bad people in psi-corpsThere definitely should be a government organization keeping telepaths in check, it just sure as shit shouldn't be psi-core
>>214381341>There definitely should be a government organization keeping telepaths in check, it just sure as shit shouldn't be psi-corethat's what it started as when telepaths first started to emerge, but they gradually took control form the inside, because of course they did, how are retard mundanes going to keep us in check when we can literally read/control their minds.
>>214382138All I'd ask for is better scenes showing the inner green habitat and open space. They did a few, tried their best, but most of the time it just doesn't look right. Probably the best one showing it was when Sheriden jumps out of the central tram, floats towards the spinning wall and needs to be saved
>>214382688SheriDAN
>>214381498>us
>>214380248>>214380341Reminder that B5 was originally plotted out as a five season story, then it got canceleld during season 4, so JMS wrapped up all the major plotlines for the end of season 4, then TNT bought the show and ordered another season so he shoved a replacement episode into the end of season 4 & made a load of shit up about telepaths and other crap to fill out season 5, then played the original season 4 finale at the end of season 5 to end the show.And also the TV movies were all total shite.I've never watched Crusade, by all accounts it is terribleI've been enjoying the blu ray set though, shame the FX never got redone. And likely never will be. It's better than the atrocious widescreen muck of the DVD boxsets though.
>>214382698I don't give a fuck about shurdons name
>>214382927crusade had some good episodes and some shit, as you'd expect from most 90s first season sci-fi, it had potential but the production/network was a complete shitshow behind the scenes.
Fan made b5 spacesim mods were pretty decenthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jW63kcSfi4
>>214382927The tv movies were great. The were fun one-off expansions of the lore or elaborating on big events like the Earth-Minbari war. And JMS should be applauded. He wrote a whole five year arc before he ever tried to get it put onto tv. He had back plans upon backup plans for if certain actors dropped out or to switch arcs etc and he needed so many of them. No other writer or show puts that much effort into their work anymore. Star Trek saw exactly how grand what he did was and stole it all. The tricky, immoral, thieving bastards.
>>214383034Freespace 1 and 2 were also awesome. Which is what it was based on
>>214382927Crusade might have benefited from another season or two to flesh itself (and less network fuckery) out but boy is that soundtrack grating and unlistenable to the point it drags the entire show down.
>>214382688Here is one image, they hardly ever showed it because it was all CG
>>214383042only In the Beginning is worth a watch and only after you've already seen season 1-4 because it's absurdly spoileriffic for a prequel.The other TV movies are so unconnected to the show they might as well be non-canon, like 'expanded universe' novels and wahtnot.Don't get me wrong, I'm a massive fan of the show, it's one of the best Sci-Fi shows ever along with Farscape; it's just that B5 would have been a perfect show if it wasn't for that fuckery around season 5.And yeah fuck Paramount for stealing the idea for DS9, but to be fair B5 had been in development since 1987, they probably thought it was never going to be made
What went wrong?
>>214383118>multiverse bullshit>oh gee why does everyone think this is total shite??total mystery
>>214383152Multiverse slop aside the whole thing felt very flat and forced
>>214383179That's becuase it was. Everything that needed to be told has already been told. It was a cowardly attempt to weld the old show onto the upcoming reboot (if it ever happens) and everyone with a brain cell saw straight through it
>>214383216I really don't understand the point of a reboot. B5 was fucking groundbreaking genius when it aired in the nineties. Now in the modern sea of star trek marvel wars it will sink like a brick made of sollid shit. The best it could possibly do would be "not quite as good as the original". In any case they'd do it in a compeltely different style to try and hook in the zoomers and the retards... not worth the effort
Do you retards think it's actually happening? Nobody would watch it, nobody cares about sci-fi these days and B5 is hardly a marketable name, even at the time. It was an anomaly. This isn't like Trek or Wars that made themselves a brand on the world.
>>214376889she was probably one of the worst actresses ive ever seen in my life. they got rid of her for a reason. holy shit ive never seen line delivery that bad. sounds like shes reading from a script without even trying
>>214377273It's crazy how this show was written by an atheist yet it's so respectful and knowledgeable of Christianity. Nothing close to Passing Through Gethsemane could be made today.
>>214384451>It's crazy how this show was written by an atheist yet it's so respectful and knowledgeable of Christianity.JMS came from a catholic family. you can be an athiest without being a seething sperg or fedora tipping retard about religion, and still have good knowledge of it, I stopped believing in god when I stopped believing in santa claus, but I still remember all of this shit, you can reject the concept of a higher power without rejecting the meaning/lessons of these stories.
>>214380248It's worth your time. Season 1 starts out a little rough but about halfway through it finds it's footing and is good pretty much all the way through. Some people don't like Season 5 but I though it was great.
>>214365896I finished watching this and DS9 for the first time recently and B5 mogs DS9 so hard it's not even funny.
>>214385010Whoops, I thought you were talking about the whole show. Regardless S5 is worth your time.
>>214384174don't remember her, but the whole program was dull as shit incredibly darkly lit, the same two and a half corridors used every episode, nothing happening they all look the same with funny head bits/wigs.oohh I am sideways mohawk fat man hahahahaooohhh I am seriously dull cunt wirh boney head and freakfuck mutant palsoohh I'm angry leopard man grrrrooohhh I'm faggy shakespeare guy wahaacan't remember a single plot line or event that happened in it. they just stood around in very dark corridors talking in groups of three because the camera was so shit they couldn't fit any more in a shot
>>214385439The pilot is notoriously shit. The only good thing about it was Patricia Tallman.
>>214385395I really love ds9, and I put off watching b5 for a while because of the annoying rivalry between the two, but now that i've seen them, I do think that b5 wins on that one.
>>214385491she looks alright
>>214385572They're both great but B5 just takes it to a whole different level. The Shadow War alone was handled much better the the Dominion War IMO. The macro stuff like politics between worlds, planets dealing with being invaded, etc.
>>214372671Claudia Christian (still alive) and Jeff Conaway (dead) also were into heavy drinking and drugs. Andreas was a chain smoker and died of lung cancer. For Stephen Furst, it was food that did him in, with complications from his diabetes killing him.Richard Biggs' death was completely unexpected. His heart just fell apart suddenly at 44. No known issues with drugs or alcohol. Mira Furlan was another strange one, dying of West Nile Virus complications. Michael O'Hare died of a heart attack, probably somehow pushed by his mental illness.
>>214376471One of the few times when network interference was a good thing. PTEN told JMS to drop the gender bending stuff.
>>214377273Usually I wouldn't post Star Trek stuff in a B5 thread but Brad was pretty good in it too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_SyXho6h7E
>>214368060>Ivanova solves the conflict by having a gangbang with the purples and greens
>what's with the hat?>keeps the rain off my head.
>>214377195This guy gets it. We wouldn't have stuff like Dune if not for the Autists/neckbeards.
>>214383100Such a neat scifi concept that's very under utilized when you have things like star wars and trek with magical gravity instead
>tfw when no Deathwalker gf
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>>214381341Yeah sucks to be a telepath, they're still the only organisation that can keep telepaths in check and everyone is working against them because they got nazi vibes. Trying to control the government and all that would happen in any case when you give humans the ability to control, read and alter minds.Again they act like it's the worst thing imaginable but it's pretty easy to imagine something worse and the idea of anything better is honestly just kind of naive.
>>214381341>government organization keeping telepaths in check,Aka what could go wrong.
>>214376992Most Asians on American tv in the 90s were Japanese. Japs look much better than chinks.
>>214380643The drugs used to negate psychic power turn you numb you mentally to the point that most of the people that chose that option kill themselvesThe people who chose jail were used as test subjects by the Shadows and many have to be kept in cold storage stasis from what was done to them, especially after Lyra blew up the Shadow home world so none of their tech could be reverse engineered to save themAlso the Psi Corp is a full on cult preaching telepathic supremacy and the implications that they one day they WILL stage a coup against Earth Gov, but haven't yet because the Shadows were doing one of their own and the Mars billionaire guy was trying to kill them with a virus. They engaged in force breeding programs complete with the forcing of women to carry artificially inseminated babies against their will that were put inside of them after they rejected getting pregnant the old fashion way, along with poisoning new recruits with straight up cult brainwashing. Even the nicer members are full on Kool aid drinking cultists while Bester basically's few moments of humanity come from where his own brainwashing comes into play, especially once you learn his dark secret (his parents were leaders of the first batch of telepathic anti-Psi Corp rebels and was raised as an infant by the corps after they killed his parents).
>>214389069Telepathic people are literally superior to normal people, still they police their own quite successfully which is quite obvious because if they didn't there wouldn't be implications about couping Earth Gov, they would already run it.Again you're fighting the alternative, yeah I get that the psi corps have bad people in them that do bad things, they tell you this a thousand times but if the only thing that stops a P-9 mindrapist is a P-12 mindrapist they should be pretty thankful that the P-12 even bothers to show up and that he he follows some sort of code that tells him not to read the minds of regular people etc, instead they shit on psi cops whenever they can.
>>214365896class systems are good, actually
>>214388910Japanese are fucking ugly due to the heavy incest on their small irrelevant island.Han are the closest related to Ancient Aryans currently alive (Germanics were unfortunately polluted with Celtic nafra blood) and attain an aesthetic mastery unparalleled on the planet.
Tick. The thread is bumped. Tok. The thread is archived.Tick tock tick tock
>>214371807>Hiroshi! HIROSHI!
>>214389365I always liked Delenn's line from that battle."Only one human captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else!"
>>214368994>bad episodes are still goodftfy
>>214380021https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bh-NPZGlcc>The Babylon Project was our last best hope for peace>It failed>In the year of the Shadow War it became something greater>Our last best hope for victory>The year is 2260>The place: Babylon 5Season 3 is peak intro.
>>214383118>have unresolved questions>answer none>write a pointless story that doesn't matter>do something that looks like it teases the CW reboot universe>it's not supposed to be the CW reboot universe
>>214368893>fix it by enforcing same cast system with slight adjustment. Minbari are such fuck ups. Shadows were eating them up and they were still fighting amongst themselves. Human had to step in and organise them in stupid system and when shadows came back they were so busy of arguing amongst themselves thay most of them sat out whole war.
>>214391884There are always a few who just can't play along.
>>214371115>FarscapeYeah, they were too busy ripping off Blake's 7 instead. Not that ripping off Blake's 7 is a bad thing.Farscape is top 3 scifi, and Blake's 7 isn't.
>>214369093Only way to end properly this kinda ant vs giant story is to tell story of uniting everyone to fight back and then show 10 years later when last of giant get blown up and war is over. Leave the war up to imagination
>>214392278>Leave the war up to imaginationYou'll love Crusade then. We never get much about the Teep War.
>>214367946fuck off greenpurple controls this board
>>214368994Nothing beats throne room scene where g'kar get offered crown. Absolute cinema.Show also has best pandemic ever show on tv or film.
>>214371363Caste is tied to clan. You are born to certain clan.
Dwight Schultz as crazy person is amazing. He is such great actor.
>>214368994I loved that the show resolved the main threat by the end of season 4, and that there's still an epilogue season.Babylon 5 functions at a tv novel, because the first season is a lot of introduction and setup(exposition), and the fifth season has all the resolutions(falling action and denouement).
>>214379249I think he wasn't diagnosed when he was cast. It started to manifest when they filmed s1. Must have been nice to film show about conspiracies and shadows that are alive and creeping around when your schizophrenia starts to act up. By end of s1 it was so bad that he was driving the car and halusinated airplane crashing on freeway
>>214384451Kino episode with kino ending.
