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Videogames vs Film
Which do you think is a better medium for storytelling
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>>214394456
They are far too different to compare
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>>214394456
Games are not meant to tell a story.
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Movies and it's not even close. Games will never be as diverse as movies because they have to be entertaining.
It's pretty much impossible to make a serious drama in a game form. What would be the gameplay even?
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>>214394862
Frogger has a more compelling story than 99% of movies and I will fight you on this.
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Film.
With film you can pace the story, affect how its told and use many tricks to change the tone.
With videogames you're hardly ever 'glad' you have to drop the controller and sit through cut scene. Videogames have some advantages in some details, as you're becoming part of the story in figurative and literal ways (like creating a character), on top of that - there's a massive pacing issues, since the player might get into a Climax of the story and then spent the next 15hours killing boars for cool sword, or taking a break from the game for a month and forgetting what happent... but overall Great Story, Well Told is only achievable with film.

t. screenwriter
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>>214394873
What's the story of Candy Crush? Mario Kart? ...
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>>214394456
books. movies are probably the worst storytelling medium.
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>>214394456
>for storytelling
Books, nigger, books
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>>214394926
>books
Modern books are worse than modern movies. Arguably they fell off even harder. Then they wonder why kids don't read as much.
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>>214394926
>>214394934
I honestly find books pretty overrated. They're rather forgettable and aren't as emotionally impactful as movies.
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>>214394918
you can absolutely pace the story in video games. In fact you can actually tell it without telling it, unlike in movies. A mistake is that umiganiative hacks have no other idea how to tell the story without actually making an in game movie, instead of using the strengths of the medium.
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The video game industry is full of people who failed to get into the film industry and the film industry is full of people who don't understand the video game industry.
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>>214394948
potentially better, should've said.

>>214394960
you lack imagination. that's all.
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>>214394456
Video games are not primarily a medium for storytelling. Even now. They'll never be on par with movies as far as that is concerned. Participation is something else entirely. And there'll never be an adaption of PONG.
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>>214394960
you never read a book in your entire life
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>>214394989
>Video games are not primarily a medium for storytelling.
thats like saying that music is not a primarily medium for storytelling. Perhaps but it's overall enhanced by it
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>>214394456
The longer a story the more it benefits from being vidya
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>>214394960
Overrated? Books?
That's one of the most ignorant things I've ever read. Reading is not even something that you'd "rate". It's just part of life.
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>>214395006
Okay. Well, next to games the movies are still the clear winner with that retarded head-to-head comparison.
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>>214395012
Not for niggers
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>>214394920
It's about a faggot playing shitty tetris game trying to fit on 4chan (very meta) and about a faggot trying to relive his childhood by playing a racing game made for children. But you need to be old enough to grasp those stories
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>>214395020
what constitutes a good story though? Is it the profoundness? Entertainment factor? Emotional impact? Cause you can achieve all of those with a video game story.
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>>214395012
They're still overrated. Images from movies stay with me for years, but I usually forget most of the books after 3 months or so.
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>>214394968
Don't assume something i didnt say, i think there are many great games, some even great story. These are only dime dozen tho, since not many games actually deliver a compelling, full experience.

>>214395009
I dont agree with this at all and one of my fav. games has like 120h story.

t. screenwriter
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>>214394456
Videogames, they basically have the same quality of story as Films but they are interactive. I honestly won't be surprised if videogames completely replace Films eventually. People barely go to the Cinema nowadays while more and more people are playing videogames.
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>>214395189
>the same quality of story
It's not even about quality, but about what kind of stories you can tell. Video games are good for entertainment and if you enjoy genre fiction. You can't really make video games similar to something like The 400 Blows or Tokyo Story.
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>>214394456
Films, because they will often prioritize the story and themes/message first and foremost, while videogames prioritize fun and entertainment over all else. This is why games like Red Dead 2 with a great story are criticized as movie games while old games with barely a story but great gameplay are praised as great.
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>>214394456
The point of video games, the thing that differentiates them from other forms of media, is the ability to make meaningful choices. If you just want to "tell a story", a film is not only a better option but more socially accepted by the masses. You probably couldn't make a film out of Disco Elysium.
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>>214395189
>press X to steal your stepfather's typewriter
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>>214395062
They're not overrated. They aren't in the same category. Movies do the work for you. If you have no imagination I guess "movies win". But there are unfilmable books that you couldn't possibly even experience visually.
I pity people like you. You obviously came to books far later than movies so you see it as some step down or backwards. I'm Gen X so my parents loved me and read to me and instilled in me a previously normal appreciation for the written word. I had no idea how far behind some of you are.
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>>214394456
I don't think a videogame will ever be able to have acting as good as films. No matter how good motion capture gets they'll never be able to capture the subtlety of the human face and emotions. Maybe they can get really close though.
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>>214395321
Holy fuck you are old, maybe too old for this site
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>>214394456
What video game has had a good story within the past 10 years?
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>>214395578
Baldurs Gate 3.

Although I agree movies are far superior
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>>214395321
>I had no idea how far behind some of you are.
You're supposed to lurk before posting
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>>214395578
Red Dead Redemption 2
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>>214395578
Which movie has had a good story within the past 10 years?
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>>214394456
each medium has its strengths and weaknesses
that being said you could watch a movie in a video game (if it was put in there)... but you can't interact with a movie even if you cut off your dick
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>>214395694
Countless.
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>>214394456
What makes them great are very different so you can't really say which is better
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>>214394814
you are confusing "story" with "narrative"
games are meant to tell a story, otherwise you wouldn't be playing them (extra-relevant back in the days when you had to put quarters in to play a pinball or a video game)...
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>>214395694
*ahem
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>>214395578
TLOU
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>>214395729
I'm glad you are an enthusiastic zoom-zoom but let's not get delusional
>>214395694
2015 Remember (Atom Egoyan)
2015 The VVitch
2015 Miles Ahead
2016 Silence
2017 Blade Runner 2049
2018 Green Book
2018 Den skyldige
2018 Anon
2024 Flow
2025 Fixed
>but anon
you asked.
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There are about 1% of games that "tell a story", and even that's an exaggerated statement, wtf are you guys babbling about, the vast majority are just... you know... fucking games.
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>>214395820
People despise that game nowadays but The last of us 1 did genuinely have a pretty good story
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>>214395578
Blood West
Sultan's Game
Cultist Simulator
Suzerain
Punch Club 2
Back to the Dawn
etc
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>>214394456
i think video games have a higher ceiling for storytelling than film because they have interactivity, or more specifically immersion. And I'm only talking 2D games not VR, which takes it to another level.

But it's hard to do story in a video game well because you're balancing it with gameplay, i.e. the interactivity. A filmmaker is just focused on telling the story, a game designer is focused on telling a story and how the player reacts to that story. Way higher ceiling, way harder to pull off. Alan Wake 2 did it, so did Mass Effect. If I was lumping them in with my favourite films they'd be in the top 10.
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>>214394456
My issue with video game in this matter is that they tried to be like film in order to deliver their story/narrative to the viewer. Plus, games are meant to be played, not watched, so they are not designed as a storytelling medium to begin with
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>>214394456
Cast them.
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>>214395830
this list is fucking garbage dude. stick to video games
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why so you call it film if its digital
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>>214396106
the issue is obviously a statistical one as in every decade since the '60s you've 20-30 movies better than those listed
that's why I said
>>214395830
>you asked.

idiot
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>>214395991
>i think video games have a higher ceiling for storytelling than film because they have interactivity, or more specifically immersion.
You're correct, they have higher immersion, but this does not a better story make.
Imagine a campfire, and there's an old man telling you a story.
Do you listen to him tell it to beginning to the end, or stop him every once in a while and insert "OH AND THEN THEY ALL DIED" or some other stuff in there?
This is a story, its you receiving it.
Videogames can make you sit in the place of the character, making you hear and see every nuance of their pass, but it makes you also an active participiant - you're not having a story anymore, you're engaging it... and this affects one of the most important aspects of a story: how its told.
This is very interesting subject and i think this almost daily.

t. screenwriter
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Film.
Video games by design cannot have good story telling.
And even if that was the goal, no one in any department responsible for the game cares about the story so it's impossible to have anything coherent. Usually people employed in this industry are sad slaves.
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>>214397019
>Video games by design cannot have good story telling.
you are saying that somebody sat down, slammed their fist on the table, and said "WE WONT HAVE GOOD STORY TELLING!!!!!!!!!!!"
either that or you have no idea what "design" means
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>>214394456
In theory videogames are better for story telling because its an interactive medium, but I'd say movies is the superior medium from these two only because its a specialized medium.
Videogames as medium is too vast and complex, and devs cant always afford to tell an actual good story and usually try to compensate with some other aspect that this medium offers, like gameplay, or graphics. Also, the writer bar is always low, and this is why lots of hollywood rejects try to enter the videogame industry.
There are however good examples of story telling from videogames. Deus Ex 1, Planescape Torment, RDR1, killer 7 are some of the best vidya has to offer in terms of plot.
Film is pure visual storytelling and cant afford to be poor at it.
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>>214394456
Book?
Movies and games are both entertainment, books are also entertainment, but the % of the serious reads are way higher
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>>214394814
>>214394862
Look Grandpa, "games" not not super mario anymore. They're not just composed of bing bing wahoo and that's ok. While you've been dozing in your alzheimer induced stupor, "games" have become "interactive kinos". Far surpassing films in every way. They're not restricted to
>a short time limit if 2-3 hours
>must appeal to the lowest common denominator and be as simple and stupid as possible
>must not have too large a cast or exotic locations or it'll blow the budget
They can take their time since they're not worried about the audience's theater experience. The author can use interaction to heighten the experience for the player in ways films never can. The game Alien Isolation is a perfect example as it had a far better story, aesthetics, and was way scarier than any Alien movie in three decades. Now every new Alien movie/show seeks to copy it, yet fails utterly to be scary. Why? NO INTERACTION. Gotta yell, so you old fogies can hear.
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>>214397858
Top sales 2025

Minecraft
GRAND THEFT AUTO V
Tetris
Wii Sports
PUBG Battlegrounds
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
Pokémon Red, Blue, and Yellow
Red Dead Redemption
Terraria
Wii Fit
Super Mario Bros
Animal Crossing : New horizon
The witcher 3 : Wild hunt
Pokémon Gold and Silver
Call of Duty : Modern Warfare

Lmfao at your storytelling.
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>>214397954
>muh sales
I could fuck your stinky mother for ten million dollars but wouldn't do it... yet a million nigger would do it for free!
how's that for sales
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>>214394456
one game tells infinite stories while one film can tell one story. vidya mogs
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>>214394862
Do movies not have to be entertaining?
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>>214398847
boiling gamefag
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>>214394862
>Games will never be as diverse as movies because they have to be entertaining.
Lol
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>>214394926
>>214394934
Based
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>>214399043
doesn't changer the facts
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>>214394456
Television
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>>214399179
ugly cunt
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>>214394456
movies. but i will say that the longer the story the more i feel attached so videogames could give a false perception of storytelling being good when you spend 20-1000 hours playing it.
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>>214395286
>The point of video games, the thing that differentiates them from other forms of media, is the ability to make meaningful choices
gameoids will literally just believe anything kek
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>>214394456
Anime. Anime movies, anime games, anime books, anime animes. Anime is the best.
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>>214399450
>watch five 2 hour movies
> :-O wow such story telling!
>experience the same in a 10 hour story on your pc
> :-| meh, they were just trying to trick me with a false perception
Kek, you're such a tard
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>>214399501
2/10 bait
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>>214397858
>Look Grandpa, "games" (are) not super mario anymore.
they are, they just have better graphics and poorly voice acted tedious dialogue and cutscenes that they use to make the game feel like a movie because they and you and I all know that movies are inherently better.
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>>214399530
>incoherent gameoid spaz out
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>>214399530
bad ragebait. 0/10, get better at storytelling.
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>>214394456
Film is a better medium for storytelling, games are better for entertainment and have higher rewatch (i.e. replay) value. So different strengths and weaknesses.
The value of books is that they are the easiest form of art to create and let your own imagination fill in the blanks, as opposed to a specific director's vision. But film and games combine audiovisual art and not just text, so it all boils down to what you're into.
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>>214394456
I don't give a fuck about story in my video games, I just want compelling gameplay. Storyfags are total queers and bad at video games.
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>>214399663
Or you could have both
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>>214399672
Nah.
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>>214399663
storyfags have ruined videogames. if I want a story I'll watch a film or read a book. if I'm playing a game I want to play a game, not watch a bunch of fucking cutscenes and shit
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>>214399687
Oldschool narrow sighted mentality. Games should ideally have both.
>>214399683
Wrong
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>>214395714
You could interact with a movie though. Just put your dick in the Blu Ray's hole.
Wallah, video games.
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>>214399706
Nah. (you're a fag and bad at games)
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>>214399687
DURRR I JUST WAN TO PASSIVELY CONSOOM STORY WYL DROOLING ON MESELF! DON POOT STORY INTO MY BING BING WAHOO! I NEED TO COLLECT DEM POINTZ!
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remember that nobody gaf about vidya story or narrative until they tried to sell triple A vidya and 'elevate' the overall quality of vidya slop so that more normies would play their product so that it'll cover the production cost and make bigger profit than ever before
the nigger who made video game awards (whoever the fuck his name is) bootlick the entire film industry by inviting hollywood actors and directors to host his shitty oscar/grammy imitation ceremony show where these gamedevs cosplaying and larping as film people with all those suits and dresses, and think that they are creating a work of art or something in this bing bing wahoo space.
That guy, the one who made video game awards, tried to make video game industry in the same exact level of film industry and crowned some of these hack moviegame developers (especially the ones from Sony santa monica) as the best game director or whatever, and ended up making a new meta where movie game is considered as something good (its not) and gamedevs have to aimed themselves to make movie game with shitty mocap animation, unimaginative worldbuilding, and treat their game like a film instead of video game
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>>214399745
Have fun playing pac man in 20 years while the rest of the population is exploring new worlds in VR environments
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>>214399768
enjoy sucking cock, by choice.
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>>214394456
Bothe have been a corpse for a decade. Based on what it before that generally film but games are tehri own thing and at their best wehn they are not trying to be film but their own thing. Space invaders did not have a script.
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>>214399788
Another retard who thinks games should be confined to space invaders' simplicity
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>>214399777
>implying you wouldn't suck cock if it meant a higher k/d ratio
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>>214399768
>Have fun playing pac man in 20 years while the rest of the population is exploring new worlds in VR environments
I will I have about 2000 games in physical media for the PS1/PS2/PC/260 and maybe ten thousand more for 8 and 16 bit machines and arcade cabs. Enjoy your subsciption timeshared charged connection required zero ownership shitty lootbox casino advertising spyware hell scape run by vermin like nark zuckeged, stya nadila, jeff beezos and sergey brin
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>>214394456
Radio plays mog
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>>214399802
Most of them are and that's what people play en masse.
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>>214399663
MW2 2010 is when they really started to make everything into a hollywood videogame. though it was very epic, that opened pandoras box as an expectation that videogames NEEDED to be movies.
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>>214394456
Videogames cause I don't watch movies
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>>214399706
every storyfag game is sacrificing both story and gameplay. the storytelling can't be as good as it is in films because of the presence of gameplay and the gameplay can't be as good as it is in "Oldschool narrow sighted" games because of the heavy presence of story elements. literally prove me wrong. gamoids are in pursuit of this hypothetical game that's going to be as good as jaws but also a video game (why would you even want that?) and it wil literally never happen. you people are as bad as communists.
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>>214396094
the hot shazamgirl as Lara
zendaya as Dukette Nukem
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>>214399829
If the tech allows it (and it has for a while now) I don't see why you can't have a good story or world building in a game. Even copers who claim they don't care about the story still care at the very least about the aesthetics, setting or general premise. And that in itself is visual storytelling. There's a world of difference between Super Mario and Shinobi, despite both being 2D sidescrollers.
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>>214394456
Both are great
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>>214399821
>360

If it requires a connection you don't own it and if you don' own it its not for free. Imagine panting for a CR dystopia run by twats who spy on you pump ads at you and charge you by the minute. Very few games actually do storytelling well most ins interminable and boring CGI cutscenets written by talentless hacks and voiced by people who wish they were not there. Games can be great but they are not movies and movie games are mostly shit that just gets in the way of mediocre gameplay.
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>>214399856
>literally prove me wrong
There's been plenty of games that have good storytelling. If you're some tournament spaz who only cares about key inputs, I'm not sure what a good story would mean to you in the context of a video game, but even something that requires more technical skill could have a good story at the very least via text boxes.
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>>214399909
>t. tech illiterate angsty millenial creative who can't create writing nu age teen poetry no one wants to read and calling it a game
Games are games, movies are movies, there are a handful of games that do tell decent stories but they are the exception not the rile and both formats have produced nothing but dross for a decade ESPECIALLY story games
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You're on teh last stage of taxi driver and a message pops up telling you to waggle stick to shoot pimp.
No.
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>>214399856
Alan Wake 2 has a better story and is scarier than most horror films, and has better gameplay than most games. It's literally the best of both worlds
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>>214399944
A good story, like in a movie, is subjective. I could give you examples but what would the point be when you'd simply nitpick like a bitch? You can't provide a good explanation as to why you can't have a game that is solid both in terms of gameplay and writing.
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>>214394456
Video game storytelling is only for people with autism.
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>>214399970
>Alan Wake 2 has a better story
Stopped reading right there, its an unnessary decade late sequel to a one hit wonder that is neither original or worthwhile aside from its SJW varnishs value to the died hair brigade. If you have alan wake, alan wake 2 is just remake puke with a black main character and a demand for money.
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>>214397954
The list is shit because zoomers have notoriously shit taste in media but GTA and Red Dead have "ok" storytelling, so there you go. The Witcher was based on a book.
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>>214394476
should we compare two exact same things instead?
difference is what makes comparison work.
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>>214400019
>moviefag announces they're a retarded imbecile
Concession accepted.
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>>214400002
Other way around. An autist would need only the stimulus of the bing bing wahoo, so something like Tetris.
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>>214394918
>and sit through cut scene
that's not video game medium. that's movies between video game.
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>>214399944
>>t. tech illiterate angsty millenial creative who can't create writing nu age teen poetry no one wants to read and calling it a game
>>214399984
>>214399984
>A good story, like in a movie, is subjective

see above no one wants your milennail angst bullshit and sjw crap. It sucks as do the vast majority of story games. GAnes can be great movies can be great but the mix hardly ever works
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>>214400058
>storytelling in a game can only be.. angst and sjwness
You retards aren't even worth replying to. You're also objectively wrong.
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>>214400053
Not at all.
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>>214400034
>Concession accepted.
You literslly speak like a talentlesa tech illiterate millenial hack who sees themself as a creative pseud. Games did not benifit from your input in the last decade at all you are the reason CGI cut scens bore they shit out of people with inarticulate and often politicised messaging and muh voice actors. You live huffing your own farts and are angry no one wants to buy them
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>>214400058
Is gameplay the singular reason you have ever been into a game? No other factors?
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>>214395006
>music is not a primarily medium for storytelling
yeah, it's not. It can be used for it, but the music is the key
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>>214399874
>Shinobi
based and arcadepilled
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>>214400077
>You live huffing your own farts and are angry no one wants to buy them
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>>214400115
Bro's so mad he's mashing the keyboard lmao
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>>214400115
NTA but you sound like a braindead zoomer who grew up on Candy Crush and other gay shit like that and can't imagine, nor have the self-respect to demand more from the available technology. Go play Roblox and other embarrassments your generation creams over.
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>>214400128
>if you want a product to be worthwhile and not just mindless cheap entertainment you're huffing your own farts
I'm fine with that
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>>214400135
Yes evrybody who likes games fucking hates your kind. Stuff your interminable unskipable CGI wittering up your ass and hop on.

The origins of CGI in games are as a painful looping penalty while the level reloads. Still true.
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>>214399970
>is scarier than most horror films
Putting a frame of a screaming granny in your face while you walk down a corridor to startle you is not horror. If it is for you, then the Pazuzu overlay from The Exorcist must be the pinnacle of the genre for you then.
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>>214400154
>t sething at not liking wallowing in talentless pointless CGI crap written by politicised milennial spergs operating at the level of 14 year old girls thinking they are the next great poet
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>>214400178
Wrong. You're pigeonholing an entire concept because Snoy movie games exist and are assuming these are the only possible examples of storytelling in games. You have no other frame of reference because you're a child and this is all you know. The Last of Us is all you can imagine.
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>>214394456
Videogames have far greater potential as an art form than Film. But Film is still great and has it's place
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>>214400201
No one except you had decreed that stories in games need to be politicized whatsoever. You're a retard having an argument with an imaginary point that doesn't exist. Go play Roblox, it's specifically tailored to people like you. No story, no gameplay, nothing of real substance.
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>>214400209
>>214400201
>>t sething at not liking wallowing in talentless pointless CGI crap written by politicised milennial spergs operating at the level of 14 year old girls thinking they are the next great poet

Did you just finish the LGBT plot branch? Your finest milenial hack angst yet for all to see in the form of unskippable boredom.
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>>214400243
>stories in games need to be politicized whatsoever.
yet they are little pink haired bore
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>>214400245
Were you born in 2020?
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>>214400260
But what does that have to do with the argument? That's an entirely separate topic. You could put a tranny in Street Fighter. No story required whatsoever. You're a genuine retard. Run along and play Mincecrap, little faggot.
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>>214400265
Fo you even like games or moves that have not had your tedious unskipable worthless introspctive talentless echo chamber sjw scribblings inserted to annoy the world?
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>>214400023
What makes them great is different, there is no point in comparing. They are both great forms of storytelling but in different ways.
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>>214400277
>You could put a tranny in Street Fighter
And I'm sure you have complete with a life backstory where he knew he was a trron at age three in the form of an unskiable CGI sequence narrated by a very drunk mark hamil
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>>214400282
No, you're right. Any game with a semblance of storytelling is pink haired SJW stuff, including text based games from the 80s. You're clearly knowledgeable on the topic and not a mouth breathing child born post 2016.
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>>214400320
>t. seething
Let the devs make good games and step aside CGI slop is slop the minute the script starts and players are frantically mashing buttopns to make it go away

>>214400178
>The origins of CGI in games are as a painful looping penalty while the level reloads. Still true.
.
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>>214394456
games and its not even close
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>>214400354
You're legitimately the biggest retard in the thread. Story in a game to you means exclusively TLOU2. No other game before this has ever had a story.
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>>214400369
The last decade is a wasteland in both games and movies. Muh CGI millenial angst scripted bollocks vomited firth by people who grew up on tumblr
"Which button skips this shit they all thought immediately"
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>>214400394
Right, but just because your dysgenic zoomer ass has only existed for a decade so far doesn't mean that games have as well. They're practically ancient compared to you, and there's been basic storytelling going back to some of the earliest video games, certainly on home consoles like Atari and more so the NES. When people suggest games can have stories they don't mean just unskippable cutscenes. That's just your only frame of reference.
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>>214395741
Unless you exclusively play ancient games like Tetris, you care about narrative. There's probably people who think Doom has no narrative, when it's an entire world compared to Pong.
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>>214394814
they're not meant to, but they can be enhanced by it
example - I like fallout because of the setting/story
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>>214399909
I accept your concession
>>214399970
I've never played it so I'll give it a shot, but even if what you're saying is true then it's the exception that proves the rule. we're talking about generalities here, not one or two exceptional examples here and there. I will say that in terms of just pure fear-generation: a really good horror game, especially one that utilizes VR, is probably going to be better than any horror film.
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The answer is visual novels.
because visual novels are a genre that combines the best of both video games and movies.
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>>214400954
Looks like they missed the part where it has to be pleasant.
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If Breaking Bad was a video game, it would actually be good instead of overrated tv.
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>>214400592
>they're not meant to, but they can be enhanced by it
absolutely, but that's not the question at hand.
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>>214401052
I'm not sure if a videogame could tell all of Breaking Bad's story, it is quite long. Also there is way too much talking/dialogue and not that much shooting/action. Basically it would be called a movie game.
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bros i just bought the zendaya/Cheney fortnite skin. she cute
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Games have a higher potential but there is so much slop that Film still mogs it on average and it's not even close.
In-game monetization, ads and reminders that you are consuming a product are what kills the "videogames are an artform" argument for me.
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>>214401632
You couldn't afford the boobs?
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>>214394456
"Videogames" can contain film but film cannot contain "videogames"
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>>214401966
At the same time videogames cannot just be film. They still need to be videogames. Videogames that are heavily film-like are always criticized. They are different art forms with different strengths.
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>>214402029
>Videogames that are heavily film-like are always criticized
By retards who think because it's interactive and has a controller, then it's "game" which means bing bing wahoo. Their opinion means less than a turd out of my ass. You have a problem with the name game then make a new one and stop whining because people enjoy something you don't
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>>214402029
They can be that. I should have put the quotations around just "games" and not "video games". There are lots of games that are games in so much as flipping pages in a book is a "game" or pressing main on a dvd menu is a "game". Films only advantage if you can call it that is that it is more limited, and limitations are fuel for creativity. The two will blend into something not unlike your West World tv show in time. There are, in fact, primitive forms of art in relativity to one another. Though primitive art forms and their history should still be studied.
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>>214394456
Videogames are an infinitely better way to experience a story but they also require a lot more of a time investment than watching a movie does.
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pressing play on a dvd menu*
Film's*
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>>214402134
Not necessarily. I played a game that was made as propaganda to get people to wear life jackets on boats. The premise is you fall off a boat while hanging out with your friends and watch them sail off in the distance. You press space bar to float as long as you can til you drown. Most people drown after several minutes. It's a horrifying game.
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>>214402128
Literally speaking they can, but it's in the minority and typically it is not received well because they do not utilize the strength of videogames to their full potential, which is interactivity. Which is why the derogatory term "movie game" exists.
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>>214402213
Only simpleton zoomies use that idiotic term thougg
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>>214402299
Fair enough
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>>214402213
So in a lot of art forms there traditionally is a strength, but the thing about the digital medium is that is has basically no limitations. It has things other stuff can't do, but it can also do anything other things can do, and other thing enthusiasts are just coping by trying to limit the digital medium. The only artform that is entirely in the digital medium right now is perhaps sculpting in regards to the way different materials work, and soon simulations will be able to contain that as well.
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>>214401916
There is also a ton of Film slop, it's just that there are far more Films than there are videogames because they easier to make. So it's just ends up as Films having a greater quantity of better media.
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>>214402380
Imagine how many bad books there are, imagine how many bad "drawings". The older the medium, the more highs and lows.
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>>214402404
My point was that Films are easier to make hence there is obviously going to greater quantity of good media. But yeah I'm sure as technology advances the ease of creating and the quantity of video games will increase as well eventually.
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>>214402177
Sounds better than most short films and by having to tap the space bar you are an active participant in the story which makes it more personal.
Although this is a double-edged sword because while I am a huge fan of horror movies I can't play most horror videogames because being an active participant in the story is too nerve-racking for me.
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>>214394456
I haven't watched a film in at least a year
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>>214402493
Same. It's just gone downhill so much.
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>>214402487
Makes it so much scarier than horror movies though! can't just hide behind the couch with your eyes covered until the monster is
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>>214394456
Depends on the genre, for cape shit I'd choose a game over a movie 9 times out of 10 but for actual genres? Movies all the way
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>>214402783
Partially agree with the exception of Horror. I don't think a horror film has ever scared me as much as a horror game has
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>>214402380
>it's just that there are far more Films than there are videogames because they easier to make
I don't think it's that simple, it's just that the requirements are vastly different. A video game can be coded by one guy in his spare time, while even a very minimalistic film requires at least 1 set, a handful of people and a bunch of specialist hardware. If the actual talent is there, it's probably a lot easier to break into the video game industry.
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>>214394456
Games trying to become movies was a mistake.
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>>214394456
>a better medium for storytelling
games but the real kinos kinos manage to tell an amazing story in jusr less than 3 hours so we can't just ignore that
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>>214402837
>even a very minimalistic film requires at least 1 set, a handful of people
Mostly agree, but disagree a little I guess in the case of small indie films. All of the short films I made in my school were basically all made by myself or with my one friend. But I agree with the talent part though. Almost everyone knows how to record a video but not as much people probably don't know how to code.
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>>214400592
This. My favourite part of fallout games is raiding an old vault or building and reading through the terminals.
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>>214399663
THIS. Because of this obsession to hold video games to the same standards as movies Hollywood is now trying to sink it claws into the medium.

>Why would you make a fun game with it own style made for a niche, yet devoted audience when you can just make a unique experience with realistic graphics that is made primarily for a new audience? Let get well known and heavily pushed actors into mocap suits and have the game be mostly cutscenes or have them talk constantly in the game. Let make the game awards like the Oscars too while we at!
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>>214402850
>blocks your path
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>>214394456
>>214394476
It could be argued thay a movie's main objective is to show a story, while a videogame's main objective is to provide gameplay. So in videogames storytelling will always be something secondary. There are, though, moviegames, like the David Cage's or like Telltale's. Yet they still focus on gameplay by giving the player a sense of "choice" even though it barely affects anything from the main plot.
There are also movies that don't tell a story at all, but those are highly experimental and an exception to the rule.
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>>214403798
No. Not at all. The key problem here is your miniscule vocabulary encapsulating everything interactive into "videogame" and farting out your definition onto then. Give it a new name if that's what it takes for you to understand. Nothing requires them to not have a good story nor story inherently be secondary. Story in fact is far stronger when you, the audience, is directly interacting with it.
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>>214402850
this man could fix all your shitty franchises

fallout, final fantasy , star wars

a good writer is brave and complex which is what the last of us part 2 is. you being upset joel dies like a little bitch doesn't mean the story is crap
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>>214394814
If all you play are online games then sure.
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>>214404064
Take a look at the top sales list posted in this thread.
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>>214400897
Can't concede to made up arguments that make no sense
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>>214397229
It means that gameplay and technology always limit any desire for story crafting and traditionally in game studios the story writing role goes via nepotism and is generally useless and in video games story telling is never relevant. There are only a handful of themes that gamers can be interested into to stay hooked for hours, it's fundamentally impossible to have good story telling in video games.

You understood nothing.
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>>214403520
The reaction to this remake from normalfags is why video games will never be taken seriously as a medium for art
>yeah they totally butchered the games artistic direction and david lynch influences but it's ok because it looks more shiny!!!
i wish i could nuke these faggots into the earth
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>>214403904
Do you understand what is the meaning of "secondary"? By saying this I never said that story is not important, or not strong, or that videogames do not have good stories. I simply said that in videogames the story is not a principal aspect. The principal aspect from a videogame is gameplay: If a game doesn't have gameplay, then by definition it is not a game. On the other hand, if a game does not have a story, it still is a videogame. This makes story a secondary aspect of what is a videogame.
Just because you enjoy story-driven videogames does not mean that the concept of videogame is story-driven. That is like if I enjoyed capeslop and then said that superheroes are a principal aspect of cinema. It's stupid.
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I was very curious for a while about this subject.
I play a lot of games and watch a lot of films, they're both my favorite mediums. Of course you have to think about them differently. Film can do way more things but videogames have such a unique quality in being able not to tell a story or have a message but in making you experience those things. You can feel those things and ultimately can become way more personal to you (my examples being DQ5 and also TLOU, which I haven't played In a long while and also played shittily, so that Will go by what I know about the game).

What made me truly feel the experience in videogames was fallout 1. It's a pretty short game so to any anon if you want I hope you'll experience it too and see wgat I mean.
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>>214406138
And yet all Silent Hill movies are utter trash. Curious. Almost like the games are a superior medium and movies suck in comparison.
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All I see is a merger of the two; its already happened/happening. I feel that there is going to be a merger of some sort such as entire theatres full of people interacting with a film in some way.
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>>214406941
Theaters are already dying out and there's nothing wrong with that. The theater expetience is what's holding films back hard anyhow. The need to fill cinema seats, get people buying concessions, and return a huge box office in the first few weeks absolutely ruins any chance at films trying be experimental, films trying to tell stories that don't appeal to the majority but strongly appeal to the intended audience, films that want to be different. Everything has to be bog standard and repetitive going with what's proven to work now. Nothing wrong with experiencing the art work on your own, at your own pace, then coming together with other fans to dicuss it. That's literally how it's been since forever for most things. Read the book on your own, talk about it with others later.
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ANYONE WHO PLAYS VIDEOGAMES FOR "THE STORY" IS A FUCKING MORON WHO CAN"T PICTURE AN APPLE IF THEY WERE ASKED TO. STORY IN VIDEOGAMES IS A WASTE OF TIME AND NO STORY THAT HAS BEEN TOLD THROUGH A GAME HAS BEEN NEEDED AND ANY GAME THAT RELIES ON STORY TO BE ITS MAIN ATTRACTION OR STAND-IN FOR GAMEPLAY IS FUCKING BAD AND YOU CAN DISCARD OPINIONS TO THE CONTRARY.
I FUCKING MASH SKIP THROUGH EVERY CUT SCENE AND ANY GAME THAT DOESN"T LET ME BETTER HAVE GOOD GAMEPLAY OR ITS UNINSTALLED ALMOST IMMEDIATELY
ITS ALL ABOUT GAMEPLAY AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN
NAME OF THE GAME IS IN THE FUCKING GAME
WATCH MOVIES FOR STORY, PLAY GAMES FOR GAMEPLAY, SIMPLE FUCKIN AS
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>>214399768
Pac Man is plain flat out better than any narrative driven bullshit of the last 30 years. If the VR stuff has any hint of story which it will because fags love story, I'd pick Pac Man
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>>214406293
>>214407313
The two different ways people think about video games
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>>214394814
>Games are not meant to tell a story.
Thats very true. But the audience has changed. Its full on generation retard now. They have no skill. Cant read well enough or maintain focus to get into books. But they still need basic stories of Good Vs Evil. The industry only sells what retards pay for.
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>>214397858
>Look Grandpa
Didn't even bothered with the rest of your drivel. Go back to the cradle you deranged zoomer.
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>>214394456
Both of them are entertainment slop. Nothing wrong with that, but both of them are at their best when it's just mindless fun. The greatest medium for storytelling will always be the novel.
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>>214400493
I used to think story was good then I played DS 1/2/3 and ER went over the lore and really learned the ""story" and guess what I realized that story in any game is stupid and irrelevant to anything pertaining to the game in which the only things that are important are the visual representation and the gameplay
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>>214394960
Hylic cattle post of the year award goes to...
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>>214399970
Every single Remedy game after the first two Max Payne were total dogshit, one worse than the last
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>>214407058
I don't think theatres are "dying out", I think that it may become more exclusionary as in that it will only cater to the super rich who are still able to afford such luxuries as being able to sit in a sit with a crowd of people and be able to watch a film together. The rest of us will have to be fine with livestreaming any sort of release and watching it on a big screen at someones house,
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>>214400035
No they are right about story being required by autists, autism necessitates a story to go along with the bing bing wahoo as you put it, because they can't just have that without having a story as framing device because they can't just play a game without it being something else
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Never have I ever played a game, talked about it with another person who enjoys games and also played the same game and talked about the story unless it was a women or a fag therefore
STORY IN VIDEO GAMES IS FOR FAGS AND WOMEN
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>>214394456
Video games are better for stories that you can play and have distributed to you over the course of the game. TV and movies have had issues making games into movies or series because the format is so different.
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The purest form of storytelling is written. Books/novels/etc. It's entirely the author's intent vs your imagination, unfiltered.
The further you stray from that, the more limits there are. Movies for example you are forced into a box by runtime/visuals/performances, and you take away mindful engagement by the consumer (turns off your brain/imagination). Games have the same problem as movies/film but also needing to engage the consumer with gameplay that has nothing to do with the story.
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The PlayStation 1 just turned 30 today, anons.
What is film or television equivalent?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAhvQoLpvsM
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>>214394456
books are superior. Especially ones that allow the reader to visualize the characters themselves instead of a retarded author over explaining how things are perceived.
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>>214394456
Film
I can teabag during emotional moments in vidya, Also never forget press F to Pay Respect from CAWADOODY
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Books are the lowest medium. Only fit for testing out ideas that will then be adapted to a better medium. They're primarily enjoyed by cucks. Movies are a step above but still lacking. Mainly enjoyed by soibois and low-iq mouthbreathers. When it comes time to make truly masculine works, they turn to the interactive medium. The only medium that can satiate the intellect and strength of Chads.
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>>214407926
True and Real, men talk about how they went 20-0 with most flag caps in Tribes 2



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