>add a quipping redditor to your tv show>look him up>he really said those things irlwtd
>>214421084QRD?
Cicero always baffled meDuring the civil wars he was always like>the pen is mightier than the sword!>muh laws>muh senate>muh tyranny>if I use facts and logic I can btfo my enemies!Meanwhile his most famous political act was becoming a dictator and executing a bunch of senators without trial. Was his own hypocrisy completely lost on him?
the Ben Shapiro of ancient Rome
>>214421106SPQR
>>214421175So a kike retard that held alligence to a country that despised his host country, and only argued against children and got btfo against adults
>>214421163The more things change the more they stay the same. I hate how redditor youtube historians like historiacivilis fellate this dude.
>>214421163A real "I must destroy the democratic process and kill my opponents in order to protect democracy from tyranny" moment.
>>214421269>youtube historians like historiacivilis fellate this dude.one youtube vid
>>214421163He was a cuck and he died like one
>>214421281So a modern day Trump
>>214421295There is no such thing as a Trump. It is a manufactured creature to stir up left/right distraction. A future doctor just murdered an innocent white woman and you're more upset at Blumpf because he made a tweet.
>>214421295Cute.
>>214421295Are you saying Trump doesn't exist in the modern day
>>214421281From what I've read of Cicero, he reserved this treatment for tyrants and was very explicit about the notion that tyrants should be killed. Of course human nature being what it is, one can easily convince oneself that all the people you're tyrannically executing are themselves tyrants.
>>214421295Which of his opponents has drumpf killed? Which part of the democratic process did he destroy?
>>214421400He made my trans gf have a sobbing mental breakdown and cut xirself, that's basically attempted murder
For me, it's Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus>think you're going to make an epic stand against Caesar by hunkering down in Corfinium with 30 cohorts >your cohorts immediately betray you and hand you over to Caesar>Caesar pardons you>hatch up a plan to do the very same thing in Massilia>Caesar just bypasses you on his way to Spain>later die at Pharsalus fighting Caesar>but your great-great grandson will be Nero so it's okay I guess
>>214421198That sounds nothing like Cicero.
>>214421340I obviously meant 2016 Trump not 2024 Trump
>>214421400>Which part of the democratic process did he destroyabusing executive orders to do whatever he wanted to bypass the Congress, having people threatened to get kicked out of the country even actual citizensBut whatever, half the US was ok with electing someone who is objectively a criminal and that didn't get punished, is not about getting a good candidate but whoever makes the other side more mad.>but X president did ittwo wrongs don't make a right
>>214421544>objectively a criminalYes goy it is illegal to be accused of working with russia and it's illegal to be accused by women of being a piss fiend
>>214421400>Which part of the democratic process did he destroy?bruh
>>214421163Cicero believed you should only ever do what was morally right. Laws lay down those morals for everyone to follow, and if they don't, they deserve punishment. He believed the natural way for a human to behave was to act morally and selflessly. The problem during his lifetime was that the republic was completely fucked, and he was clinging on to the people who wanted to preserve the status quo instead of providing legitimate change. Whether Caesar and Octavian had to become absolute rulers to achieve that change is up for debate
>>214421163More like Cisshitcero lmao
>>214421295I think you mean the globohomo liberals like the EU, who censor and ban their opposition political parties to "protect" democracy.
>>214421084>>214421163yeah cicero was the ur-libtard, whenever you hear a lib seething about "muh tyranny", "muh institutions" and "muh authoritarianism"remember that cicero did it first and gayer>>214421295firstly you mean an ancient trump and no, think of his as an ancient roman robert reich
>>214421544The reps said literally the same about Obama
>>214421084/tv/ is a drink-sodden, sex-addled wreck board
>>214421544Executive orders existed prior to Trump and are part of the powers given to the President.The rest of your tantrum has nothing to do with the democratic process.
>>214421705-me in 2016, before zion don absolutely fumbled the ball and started saying israel first like a blackmailed clown
Caesar had really bad memories of Sulla, and refused to execute any romans. He constantly forgave his enemies and they literally stabbed him in the back for itThe only reason he even marched on Rome was because corrupt senators wanted to jail him and steal his wealth right after destroying the GaulsHe was pragmatic, knew what was best for Rome and bent the rules for it. Meanwhile Cicero was too obsessed with the letter of the law, letting corrupt senators do whatever they wanted
>>214421269>historiacivilis Lmao he really makes romeboos mad by just stating facts>NOOOO CAESAR DIDNT COMMIT A GENOCIDE BECAUSE HE JUST DIDNT>NOOOOO OCTAVIAN TORTURING PRISONERS TO DEATH WAS A GOOD THING BECAUSE
>>214421163>>214421084Cicero did absolutely nothing wrong, both in show and in real life. The Republic was caught out of sync when Caesar marched on Rome and the only way to mitigate the threat was to stab the tyrant dead. The democracy he had in mind was the rule of the fittest, patricians not plebeians. If you thought that Vorenus is the good guy in the show, you haven't been paying attention. It's Caesar who immediately sets to giving tribune powers to literal cutthroats, niggerifying the discourse. Then it's his adopted son that institutes proscriptions on massive scale. Cicero and Brutus were men that did what had to be done, but the ram has already touched the wall and there was no salvation for the Roman empire in the end.Sure, Octavian was not a bad ruler in terms of fixing what his divine father fucked up, but history has proven Cicero right and within 50 years you had a tyrant such as Tiberius immediately followed by lunatics like Caligula and Nero.
>>214421176kek
>>214421163>>214421163He was a pragmatist. He valued law and the republic highly but he knew that there are times when ideals need to be set aside to face reality in order to save the things he valued.Power conflicts in history are filled with two kinds of men: those who never compromised on their morals and the winners.
>>214421084he was a kino guy
how high was his blood pressure in that moment?
>>214421163you can sit back and say youre going to do everything different than your opponent but in practice people who do that tend to not know what theyre really doing, and so end up mimicking what the last guy did only worse once they get into positions of power. creativity doesnt really exist among most people, neither does vision
>>214421084Rome was so full of posturing and hollow charades appealing to tradition.The concept of senators breaks down when you have too many and it just becomes about large majorities teetering to the will of personalities.
>>214421971>Meanwhile Cicero was too obsessed with the letter of the lawonly shitters do this because they dont realize rules are guidelines for shitters and if you have a brain you are supposed to maneuver around them properly
>Perhaps you would have us clip a tranee!
>>214422861Wrong, Brutus and Cassius betrayed their Consul who they swore their lives to. Not only that but Brutus was pardoned by Ceasar and was almost like a Son to him. Cassius was a close friend of Ceasar who went to war with him. The reason they betrayed him was because they thought they wouldn't get a chance to rule when Ceasar became a Dictator for Life. When if they didn't do shit they could probably get a chance to rule as Ceasar was going to pacify Dalmatia and then go to Parthia to avenge Crassus and recover the missing Aquila that was taken from Crassus. During said travels the chance of Ceasar returning weren't 100% so had they waited him out they could thrive. Instead they were traitors who were properly defeated by the forces of Marcus Antonius and Caesar Octavianus which was the one who later became Augustus.
