Do... Do they not know their guns can shoot from range?
The side that fires first, loses.
>>214486342this but unironically >enemy fires volley early at 100 yards, you lose a bunch of guys but keep going>you stop your men at 50 yards, fire a volley which kills a shit tonne of the enemy and charge them with bayonets>they run away, you win
why dont they carry two guns?
>>214486342A bullet is a fool, the bayonet is a hero.
>>214486367I was saying that unironically. Apparently it was known to generals of the time.Also I played a lot of total war games
>>214486372Cavalrymen since The English Civil War until The American Civil War would usually have several loaded handguns on them (at least three or four).
>>214486284>"Alright lads, no holding fire today. General Anon has a better idea!">Everyone shoots at first enemy contact.>Massive cloud of smoke blinds you (smokeless powder does not exist yet).>Noise deafens you (muskets are loud).>Low hit rate as a large number of musket balls bounce off the ground and overshoot (rifles exist, but are expensive special weapons so you have smoothbores only).>Reload takes 30 seconds (breech loaders also exist, but are expensive and unreliable so you only have muzzle loaders).>Bayonet charge hits you before reload.>1st rank dead, all others surrender.>The King of France laughs so hard he lets all the POWs go home except (You), who will remain as his personal jester.
>>214486284Best to get up close and personal.
>>214486284>Do... Do they not know their guns can shoot from range?Until america invented ww2 with proper planes, jet planes, proper tanks, and real artillery and automatic rifles and proper machine gunsEuropeans and UK used to just stand in a line and March or stand in a hole in the group which would be a dug out line,its why europe was the hot bed of war through the 1800s and hundreds of years before
>>214486612i bet plenty of burgers unironically believe that
>The bullet is a mad thing; only the bayonet knows what it is about.-General Suvorov Actually you could probably save more lives with a decisive bayonet charge rather than standing around exchanging shoots with the enemy
>>214486653yep the sideshow nation is still clueless
>>214486612Fuck those trenches and barbed wire.
>>214486284Gotta love the armchair war experts. Classic internet moment.
>>214486394It was always about having the best discipline and momentum. There were some countries like sweden and others that had it as a rule to not fire until they could see the whites in their eyes which was about 30 yards and they launched a triple rank volley and charged before the enemy could recover, breaking their lines.
>>214486284if theyre shooting a ball its basically random trajectory
>>214486566Why was Ney so fucking stupid?
>>214486372Saves the king from having to say "and your other gun" when he's taking you off the line
Tactics and technology on either side of 1900 is actually fairly complex, this series gives a simple but good overview of the progressionhttps://youtu.be/5g6_hYIbkIo?si
>>214486367that's why the Caroleans were so feared (among other advantages), because they held their first volley until the very last moment because they had insane discipline.
Why didn't they just go around the giant line of easily visible soldiers? Are they retarded?
>>214486284maybe, just maybe, the most successful army of the time knew what it was doing and an idiot on /tv/ 200+ years later doesn't.
>>214487009because, unlike Hollywood suggests (because of their ideology of "white people's past was dreary and bad"), even stretching back to Medieval and Roman times people weren't wearing grey, more grey and some dark grey but were wearing brightly colored clothing to differentiate friend from foe from both afar and in the chaos of close combat when the armies clashed.
>>214486284Guns of the era are total shit and only useful for shooting at very close range by a large number of people simultaneously. Also reloading time made them count on only 1 shot.
>>214487084It was also to make it easier to spot the difference between a civilian and military target, partizani were punished by death iirc
>>214486923He was originally a hussar. Hussars are less intelligent than their horses.
>>214487412Is it because they are Polish?
>>214486367it was this type of necessary iron discipline that allowed Europe to conquer the world.As soon as war became ez mode with artillery and machineguns the playing field was levelled too much
>>214486612What film is this?
>>214486342This ain't a western you moron.
>>214487216Not to mention how bullets used to crumble and cause considerably less damage than shots made 1900
>retards ITTSafest place is in formation. This little skirmish doesn't show how fast a couple of battalions of 750 men can march into place amidst the smoke and predating skirmishers, grapeshot and cavalry squadrons riding down stragglers in column, form a defensive square or a line to deliver withering fire.European musket formations were drilled to fire in formation, so thousands of muskets could do rolling patterns of fire from the centre or the flanks. They could even switch to multiple pistol balls at close range. This sort of drill meant that the fire could break an enemy formation.Note however the casualty rate was usually fairly low. >>214487412You would not say that about LaSalle. >>214487216Guns of the era are pretty decent up to a football field or two away. More stopping power than the missile weapons that preceded them and easier to train.
>>214487486Musket wounds are pretty bad. You bleed a lot.But... 19th century breech loading ammo is powder and bullet in one handy package, rifles became more accurate and eventually smokeless...
>>214486991based CM chad
>>214486284>Do... Do they not know
>>214486284When you shoot your gun you’re vulnerable because you are masturbating the gun to reload. By the time you reload someone already stabbed you.
>>214486284>their guns can shoot from rangeBefore the introduction of rifled barrels, this really wasn't the case. So until the mid 1800s, bullets would only fly in a general direction but not straight. Even during the American civil war they didn't all have rifled barrels.
>>214486552>fire early>fall back under cover of smokescreen>pick up second muskets that were dropped prior to entering line of sight of enemy>fire into the bayonet charge as it clears the smokescreen and countercharge into their confused and stalled chargenuthin personnel
>>214488375>fall backIn practice, nearly impossible to do without devolving into a rout.
>>214487425Problem Child 2
>>214486997How did that work for them against Russia?
>>214486284here's your (You) you degenerate junkie.
>>214486923The first one is forgivable, since Wellington deliberately rused him into thinking they were retreating.Why the fuck he kept doing it is anyone’s guess.
>>214486284Didn't have a loicense
>>214486923>so fucking inept he forgets to even bring cannon spikes for his death charge to disable the english guns
>>214488375>age of limited/non-existent mass production >"just double the amount of guns you use"You realize that even supplying troops with a few dozen musket balls was difficult on campaign, yes?
>>214488486well the russians (and everyone else) adopted the same tactics, so...
>>214486372That costs money. The meta was giving a lot of guys 1 gun of that quality. They could have outfitted a smaller amount of guys with more advanced weapons and armour but they'd lose because the enemy would have more men and firepower in their line.
>>214486372https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghKrbNpqQoY
>>214487419Hungarian.>>214487518Antoine LaSalle was literally the definition of a "based retard" so yes, he definitely fits. Napoleon literally paid off his debts and gave him so money and the hussar blew that off on gambling again.
>>214487425all quiet on the western front i guess
>>214486284it allowed them to rain a hellfire of bullets on their enemies before machine guns
>>214486372pirates thought of this
