>”I refuse to kill Vader, even though he killed 6 gorillion people, he can be redeemed saaar”>”Whatabout Palpatine, can he be redeemed?”>”Well… um… errr” *runs away screaming*
>>214488825Luke didn't kill Palpatine tho.
>>214488825Palpatine's not his dad.
name one thing the emperor did wrong throughout the trilogy and prequels
>>214488984Not killing Jar Jar after gaining emergency power.
>>214488837The rebels killed millions of Imperial soldiers, but Luke redeemed Vader only because he was a blood relative
>>214489050Jar Jar was the one that handed him unlimited power in the senate though, he had proven his political worth
>>214488984>name one thing the emperor did wrong throughout the trilogy and prequelsTried raising taxes in Episode 1 with the blockade. Thats how I knew he was a villain.
>>214488984Had sex.
>>214488984nationalized commerce in the central systems
>>214488825Luke didn't redeem Vader because he was the bad guy, but because he was his father. He wasn't doing it for shits and giggles, he wanted to rescue his own family from a tyrant, which is eventually what Vader did for Luke in return.
>>214489071Jar Jar was a one time useful Idiot. His worth ended when Palpatine got his power.
>>214488984allowed his entire military to be run by complete morons. yes, that includes vader.
I know people like the throne room scene, but it makes zero sense. Jedi were warriors, Luke himself killed a bunch of people in the third movie. There's zero reason why killing Palpatine would turn Luke to the dark side.
>>214488825This is the guy who blew up a planet-sized station and killed millions just because voices in his head told him to.
>>214489385star wars is great if you just consume it and don't think about it at all
>>214488984keeping the last vestiges of the imperial senate after consolidating powerthey all should've been exiled
>>214489102Read 1984. That's how zoomers are with family. Him wanting to save his father doesn't occur to people 35-25
I know it's true. None of 25-35: saw the scene and right away realized the emperor is crazy he's not going to kill his father with a plasma sword .
>>214488984Allowing Manny Boffins to steal the Death Star plans.
>>214488984Replaced perfectly good clones with British people.
>>214489385It's not the act of killing that would send him over the edge. The Emperor can sense he is seething with hatred and wants him to be consumed with it. The throne room duel is just Vader and Palps trying to send him into a schizo rage that he will never be able to recover from.
>>214489385>Palpatine wants Luke to at least strike him so he turns evil>Jedi hit bad guys all the time in whatever canon you choose and stay goodWas Palpatine retarded? Luke fucking killed a small moon's worth of people and still stayed a goody twoshoes.
>>214489385Because he knows Vader will protect him luke knows Vader will protect his. This way Luke and his father will be stuck in a battle and Luke is enraged and might in his rage kill his fatherCreating a guilt which Palestine can exploit just like Vader after padmeI don't understand why you zoomers have no connections with your father. Vader is his father. Killing your own father Is bad. I shouldn't have to explain that
>>214488825He didn't want to redeem him he didn't want to kill his own father. Even though the man who raised him was burned to death as a direct result of vaders orders. Uncle Owen is your true father, Luike, you piece of shit. Vader may have fucked your mom but Owen wiped your ass. Fed you. Kept you alive for years and the way you repaid him was whining about toshe station and immediately forgetting about him after you saw his crispy bones. fuck luke. He's a sith more than anyone.
>>214489420you mean the willing employees of a planet sized station that only existed to kill billions by casually destroying entire planets? those millions?
>>214489385>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1hCMKav3LE&t=52s>>>/wsg/5966040It's so simple.
>>214489924If I'm not the janitor on a planet sized mass death space station someone else would be may as well take the check.
>>214488825What about the 6 million on the death star? Where is their redemption?
>>214490166>we are taking janitorial applications for the death star >"The WHAT star?"lmao
>>214490214It's a kids movie you're not meant to think about that
>darth vader>redeemable>every single person in the death star 1 and 2?>demons that deserve to be blown to pieces
Vader was his father.Luke was becoming his father, quite legitimately following in his footsteps. He was a well-meaning young jedi that was falling to his own negative emotions.He needed to redeem Vader to know that he himself could be saved.His greatest failure was almost murdering his father in that moment, but instead of giving up he followed it with his greatest triumph. Throwing away his weapon and refusing to kill his father. In that moment Luke had already won the spiritual and ideological battle, no matter what happened.The Emperor isn't much more than the embodiment of evil and temptation.
>>214488825It's not implied Luke spares Vader only because he thinks Vader can be redeemed. At this point Luke is 99.9% sure he's about to die along with the rebellion and there's zero chance of a victory. This is basically him just giving the middle finger to the emperor in the hopes that the Empire will be slightly less powerful without Vader or himself at its disposal
>>214489132>>214489071Jar Jar knew exactly what he was doing and he did it on purpose to get his apprentice elected Emperor
>>214488825It's symbolic.
>>214488984Cut off Mace Windu's hand. I mean... wait...
>>214488984his inability to turn off his force lightning once someone does something to him (Mace deflecting it, Vader grabbing him)
>>214488825Going there to redeem people was not the point. He was held prisoner. His one goal was to not let them turn him to the dark side while he waited for the rebels to blow him and Vader and Palpatine up. You're talking about this movie like someone who has never seen it.
>>214491243The way I see it is that he uses the force lightening when he's reached a euphoric state of darkness.
>>214491303I think its a circuit thing, like once its going like that Sheev can't turn it off on his own
>>214488825Vader was still an apprentice, Palpatine was in charge and couldn't be swayed.
>>214488825Because that's how Luke is, he tries to save people whenever he can, even if they are lost causes to everyone else.Keep in mind Luke for a time thought he could redeem a literal Eldritch abomination that, according to legend, only existed to wipe out all galactic civilization if she deemed that they had spent too long in wartime.
>>214490382this is how liberals view history though. the tsar and his family were poor redeemable victims while the 20,000,000 moids who died in ww1 deserved it
>>214488825No, Palpatine literally could not be redeemed.Neither could any other sith have been redeemedThat's the entire point of the entire Star Wars saga you fucking idiot. That's why Anakin Skywalker is the chosen one of the Jedi, destined to destroy the sith and bring balance to the force, which he did. That's what makes him the chosen one, that he alone out of anyone who ever lived could fall to the dark side and yet still find a way to turn back to the light. (Disney wars is non-cannon)
>>214490382George Lucas talked about this in one of the commentaries where he basically says that they were staffed by the "Bug People" from Attack of the Clones, so don't worry too much
>>214488984He literally plotted the entire galactic civil war for his own personal gain.
>>214491345Why "Sheev?"
>>214491446Not really. It's how Luke was written in the third movie. He wasn't like this in the first two movies. It's pretty obvious that a lot of the ideas from Empire got dropped in Return of the Jedi.
>>214491525Because he wasnt a Jedi back then.Yoda himself tells him a Jedi isnt reckless or adventure seeking.
>>214488825>Luke: You're wrong. Soon I'll be dead, and you with me.he never planned any "redemption">>214488837exactly vader last minute change of heart wasn't expected by luke and ended in mutual kill of him and the emperor
>>214489385>There's zero reason whyJedi don't enjoy killing, they don't kill for hatred or revenge, they duel honestly and if killing your opponent is necessary then they do it with no feeling other than peace. Luke was never fully trained as a Jedi, but even he understood what Palpatine told him, which is if he killed him there with hatred, for revenge, he would begin his path down the Dark Side, much like Anakin had done when he slaughtered the Tuskans.
>>214488825He didnt, his hope what that he could distract them while the Rebellion blew up the Death Star with them inside.
