This actually happened 1800 years ago
is this armor period accurate? I don't know enough about Rome to say
>>214501044The segmented armor is period-accurate, but the helmets and shields are from a different period and just mashed together. The rest of the film has other inaccuracies like the purple praetorian guard
>>214501151excuse me, were you there? then fuck off
>>214501044Who cares it looks sick
>>214501151I was recently rewatching Cadfael and in the "Leper of St. Giles" episode all the lepers are wearing purple robes, it struck me as very out of place.
>>214501037>called the "spanish" gladiator>Spain didn't even exist back thenBRAVO RIDLEY!
>>214501151it looks cool though
>>214501044There is no evidence that entire legions were outfitted with lorica segmentata, and there is no evidence that crested helmets were ever worn outside of parades (so the adoring crowds could identify officers from a distance)
Reminder that the world went into a 1000 years of decline thanks to desert religion followers who now add themselves to Greco Roman foundations of European culture and scienceWorld went from complex heating systems, concrete, plexiglass, huge brick domes, irrigation, wheat being transported across thousands of miles to illiterate Kings and starved serfsCharlemagne was fucking illiterate thousand years after Trajan who built things that still stand
>>214501335*tips fedora*
>>214501222I suppose you're also angry that they were speaking in English rather than Latin, then?
>>214501414I see this all the time when Christianity is brought up but have no idea what the reference is, can someone explain?
RED CAPES?!?!
>>214501151Ridley Scott follows the rule of cool exclusively... It worked out for Gladiator mostly, but the Praetorians in Gladiator 2 are like some kind of late-Roman Scythian Guard who use bows as a primary weapon? And they're wearing purple plastic armor in both movies.
>>214501439there's also a camera and a microphone that just so happens to be picking up the light and sound waves. we're expected to believe that's period-accurate?
>people get angry at Nirvana in some Peter Pan flick>meanwhile, picrel is enjoyable anachrokino
>>2145010371800 years from now. Can you imagine? It'd be the year 3825. And we'll probably be doing the same shit.
>>214501444
>>214501037>This actually happened 1800 years agoRoman empire at the time of the flick.
>>214501557I'm afraid I need more context. Was this guy a prominent atheist? Who is he?
>>214501557set back the fedora acceptance movement, too.i mean in all seriousness, i wish there were more acceptable hats for men. baseball caps, beanies, that's it.
>>214501578What happened to the Illyrians?
>>214501037And it was good
>>214501593pretty sure that guy was just some random actor, few headshot pics.but, before all the irony, there were actual 'debate me' internet atheists who were in a pretty closed Venn diagram with neckbeards who wore fedoras to look 'classy'. wasn't really just one person.
>>214501335It didn't.The Medieval period was full of innovation and invention, especially when it came to mechanical engineering. The Romans tended to brute force everything with slave labor, the Medieval period had weird things like "serf rights" that prevented it so they had to rely increasingly on cranes and water/wind power, which later led to the Industrial Revolution.Rome discovered steam engines, and used it as a toy. Didn't even think of using it for machines, because why do that when you have slaves?In addition, Catholicism had nothing to do with Rome increasingly subsidizing its own defenses with foreign barbarians (many of whom also Christian), who then promptly turned around, betrayed Rome, and founded new kingdoms (still Christian, not pagan). These Christian kingdoms later went on to do everything important, like the previously mentioned Industrial Revolution.
This movie isn't good
>>214501604I wear ladies sunhats/gardening hats
>>214501628They remained basically unchanged if you ignore language and genetics.
>>214501604You can wear giant hats if you're buff and underdressed. A sun hat with a tshirt on would look corny but while shirtless you look like an Australian pioneer or just a cool dude
>>214501037>I want you to imagine... That Darth Vader is Caesar, and the Legions is the Millennium Falcon. Folks, that's not a recipe for a healthy society, and the Romans KNOW this.>The Legiojs will strike ageen and ageen, like a heavyweight boxer ageenst the Celts. Caesar hated the Celts. Quote from Caesar: Quote "I hate the Celts" End quote.>The Romans are like the early to mid twentieth century version of the NazisIt did happen thoughever.
>>214501756>>214501792sun hats, like the straw ones?i'm British, Northern English, flat caps have always been a working-class man's hat. maybe a bit trendy if you're young (think ZUN who makes those 2hu games), but as an old gadgie? you can just wear one.THEN PEAKY BLINDERS RUINED IT FOR EVERYONE.
>>214501899Romans were nothing like nat zees
>>214501300excuse me, mate, were you there? no? well, shut the fuck up then.
There status? Up the fuck shut status?
>>214501998Go to bed Mister Scott
>>214501222it was called hispania then and he would be called hispanus in latinheh anus
>>214501335reminder that Tiberius doomed the western empire by killing the man who was going to conquer Germany and leaving the back door of the palace open for the Praetorian Prefect.
>>214501578Why is Britannia superior in the Souf and Britannia inferior in the Norf? Same thing with Germania?
>>214501535>” Ulrich von Liechtenstein (c. 1200 – 26 January 1275) was a German minnesinger, poet and knight of the Middle Ages. He wrote poetry in Middle High German and was author of noted works about how knights and nobles might lead more virtuous lives.”>” Details of Ulrich's life are difficult to ascertain. Much of what scholars know relies heavily upon information gleaned from his often-fictional, self-styled autobiographical work the Frauendienst (trans. Service of Ladies). Separating fact from stylized hyperbole has proven difficult for historians.”>” Ulrich is famous for his supposedly autobiographical[13] poetry collection Frauendienst (Service of Ladies). He writes of himself as a protagonist who does great deeds in honour of noblewomen, following the conventions of chaste courtly love. The protagonist embarks on two remarkable quests. In the first quest, he travels from Mestre near Venice to Vienna in the guise of Venus, the goddess of love. He challenges all the knights he meets to a joust in honour of his lady. If the self written literary accounts of Ulrich Von Liechtenstein are in any way accurate, the movie was was less ridiculous than Ulrich’s actual exploits.
>>214501037This unironically happened 533 years ago
>>214502257Based post
>>214501965We have many finds of their armor so we can estimate what was common despite low survivorship through time. This is like faggots posting the traffic cone armor every time the Mycenaeans are brought up even though only one was ever found.
>>214501300Wouldn’t it be even more important for soldiers and other officers to be able to identify each other in the heat of battle
>>214502979you dont want for the enemy to see the officers. The men know the officers because they spend everyday with them.
>>214502257History simply means the recorded account of events. It has no requirement of being accurate or honest.
>>214501335Eastern and Hellenic half of the Roman Empire still lived on and the traditions and culture with it. So had the addition of Churches, schools and hospitals.
>>214501335You're mistaking cause and effect. The Roman state declined because Latins had chronically low fertility and patricians mass imported foreign slaves from the near east and levant. Recent genetic data bears out that Rome underwent a massive demographic transformation and a complete collapse of the Latin/Italian native population. Among these listless, foreign urban slaves and marginal disposessed, various monotheistic cults because quite popular, and Christianity was merely the one that serendipitously managed to convert an Emperor and recieved State backing. Anyhow the point is that what enabled Christianity was first and foremost the racial destruction of the Latin stock that fueled the state and made it such a singular power in the Mediterranean. Without Celtic and German military support, and the other serendipitous thing, that being the birth of Caesar, perhaps the most singularly competent man who ever lived aside from Napoleon, the state likely would have collapsed around 50-100AD and Christianity would never have taken off.
>>214501769So not unchanged then.
>>214501926Now bring back those old helmets British police used to wear in the 1880s
>>214501926I remember back in the 2000s people who thought they were fashionable would wear them.
>>214501628>What happened to the Illyrians?replaced by Slavs eventually
>>214503575replace Rome with the US or the west and you have the same shitempires and people are like a flower they grow, the bloom, and they dieno two flowers are the same but the process is shared by all
>>214502255Because they were inferior in infraestructure, intelligence and general population, so they were considered inferior despite being north.
>>214501899It seems to be vastly exaggerated based on genetics. France remained largely the same before and after Roman empire.By far the biggest change happened with the migration of Germanics and then even bigger with Slavs.
>>214503924Yeah, unfortunately the demographic transformation of the US Core will be unrecoverable. These things have happened many times before to other nations however, and that doesn't mean good things aren't still possible. The greatest saving grace the Roman Empire had was Constantine, and his reforms allowed for the continuity of Roman (albeit in many ways more Greek) tradition for another milennium.
>>2145014442000s e-atheists had a thing for wearing fedora/trilbyshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmzaalWYqRo
>>214501037What's even more amazing is what happened 2025 years ago
>>214501174>>214501259For me, it's that badass wolfskin cloak that Crowe is wearing.
>>214505754Sorry 2024 I forgot it starts at 1
>>214501037im fairly sure it was filmed in the late 90s, it came out in theaters in 2000 iirc
>>214505784AHHAAHHAAHHAHAHHAHHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
>>214504849One can draw quite a few parallels between the dual civilization of antiquity, Rome and Hellas, and the dual civilization of today, US and Europe.In both cases the former was spawned from the latter. In both cases the latter lost their power through self-destructive war (Peloponnesian war, WWI&II) which created the power vacuum to be filled be the former. The power of the former eclipsed that of the latter not least of all due to the latter being too divided to form a centralized power structure. All experienced migration crises after the power peak of the former. Etc etc.If these parallels keep holding the US will decline in civil wars, while the EU will finally centralize and stay for another 1000 years.
>>214503924>empires and people are like a flower they grow, the bloom, and they dieSay that to China
>>214501335Albert Einstein didn't learn how to walk until he was 35.
>>214501628>What happened to the Illyrians?You're looking at them asshole
>>214505930The US empire is global and the level of technology so great I fear the parallels won't hold.The Internet and its hyper-real nature prevent civil unrest. Even with high profile murders the machine just keeps ticking and all anyone does is bitch on the internet.People say nothing happens and they are wrong, shit happens all the time but there is no staying power. Nothing but ephemeral memes.
>>214505972"There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen."Apparent stability can lull you into a false sense of security.Besides, the US empire WAS global, but isn't anymore. The US empire already lost Africa and half of Latin America to China.
And what of good Solonius?
>>214506028The US empire functions like the UK empire by control of trade. As long as the US Navy secures trade and countries do business in dollars, especially oil, the empire lives.Nothing lasts forever but the US empire has been constructed in such a way by people like Kissinger to link it into a suicidal pact with its enemies like China.Shits fucked and no one can see a possible out. Not even the Chinks. For all their bluster their currency is still based on the US dollar.
>>214505849
>>214501657>neckbeards who wore fedoras to look 'classy'
>>214501335>Globohomo Empire collapses >blame religion
>>214506071True but the dollar as a power structure is slowly being undermined. With the exception of 1 or 2 years the US "bought" below 3% growth with above 3% deficits for every single year since the GFC. The debt-to-gdp ratio looks like after a major war even though WWII was 80 years ago and the US only had skirmishes and Cabinet wars since. And the debt projections look even worse.China is increasingly doing its cross-border trade in its own currency, including fossil fuel trade (e.g. with Russia). Its navy is rapidly expanding. The dicrepancy in shipbuilding capacity is already staggering.The European currency always lacked military backing and political centralization which slowly but surely is about to change as a consequence of the Ukraine war and European rearmament.None of this changes things in the span of a few years, but over the next decades.Besides, dependencies are seldom one-sided. The tariff war already showed the limit of American hegemony when Trump was forced to roll back on China in order to have rare earth mineral imports.
>>214505954The thing with China is that they have had a shit ton of different dynasties, have been conquered by a foreign power at least once to my knowledge (Mongols, who in turn adopted the Chinese political and administrative structures), then slowly but steadily declined until they got hooked to drugs by the British in order to dominate them, but still managed to maintain cultural uniformity through their history despite the fact there are many different ethnic groups within their territory. Now both the British empire and their succesor, the US empire, have fallen due to the same reasons every empire falls, while China is again on the rise and will probably stay on top of everybody else for the rest of this century at the very least.
>>214505784Faceboom tier.
>>214506139It was absolutely a thing. Paired with cargo short for full effect.
>>214501410Einhard said so
>>214506187>None of this changes things in the span of a few years, but over the next decades.agreed, I just don't see China replacing the US empire. At best I see a grouping of regional empires and the return of multi-polarity but even in that situation the US empire can limp on.The sad fact is people want grand change but i don't think it will happen. The US empire will continue to exist for a long while. For example I suspect Trumps Venezuela comments hint at a long term goal to refocus on the American and secure more local territory.For those of us in the belly of the beast there is no escape.
>>214506187the dollar isn't being undermined by anything, retard. no one is going to use the fucking yuan, chinks have been devaluing their currency for decades, no one seriously wants to hold their money. the only reason russia is deaing with china is because they have no one else and china is ripping russia off hard
>>214501037This was one of the last masculine movies, before weinstein being a pervert and got punished for it, scared every CEO in the world to make femoid trash to not also get targetted with false accusations.They did the same made up shit with Blizzard, and look at the state of that company now too.
>>214506253the yuan is an indirect dollar. one equals the other by fiat. using yuan means you still use dollars only indirectly
>>214506237>At best I see a grouping of regional empires and the return of multi-polarity but even in that situation the US empire can limp on.I agree. But with the additional caveat that acting imperially outside requires relative stability inside. This brings us back to the parallels to antiquity and the civil wars of the Roman empire. I don't see the internal divisions within the US easing anytime soon. At the same time I don't see enough division for an outbreak of civil war yet. The developments of the Roman empire took place over centuries and nothing is set in stone when it comes to the future. I just wanted to share how striking I find the parallels.
>>214506036>And what of good Solon-ACK
>>214506324> I don't see the internal divisions within the US easing anytime soon. At the same time I don't see enough division for an outbreak of civil war yet.That is what is so interesting. Technology tends to accelerate time while shrinking space. Which one would think would cause the disintegration of the empire to happen faster but its not.People hate each other but we have all been able to retreat into our own little digital kingdoms.A large part of me thinks you can't escape the pattern but at the same time we are in a strange world of uncharted territories.i knew there was a reason i still visit this place, thanks anon
>>214506361>i knew there was a reason i still visit this place, thanks anonsame
>>214502255It means upper/lower, usually referring to elevation of terrain.
>>214503575It's amusing that the same thing that lead to the fall of Rome is happening again, even though we were fixated with history and making sure it didn't happen again.>give women voting rights when they are not emotionally fit to have them>now 50% of voters are going to have suicidal empathy that outsiders use against you>import millions of 3rd world savages that have a strong in-group preference>create a soft society where men turn into manchildren
>>214501578What on earth was trajan thinking with dacia?
>>214501037War has existed a long time before that Einstein
>>214501044All Roman armour is always lorica segmentata in any depiction but I think this is roughly the right time period for it
>>214501414>*tips yarmulke*
>>214507023At least a century after segmentata fell out of favour, if it was ever used as anything but parades to begin with, which is hotly debated.
>>214501037uhm no rome had one of its worst ever defeats in germania and that was during augustus
>>214507063For a "historical" movie, I'd say 100 years is better accuracy than most, especially given the total span of "Roman History"
>>214506036Jupiter's Cockas
>>214501037>Ridley ScottI'm not sure
>>214501300And there's no evidence of medieval peasants in northern Europe locking their doors because no wooden doors from that time exists. Fuck off with your historical nitpicking.
>>214501037>Stuttery slo mo battle sceneOverrated shit movie
Imagine the smell.
>>214501737FUCK Mu
>>214501335That's more of an economic or biological result though. It's the same as today but on a smaller scale where if international trade collapses everyone will experience a ton of shortages and population collapse and while killing each other they aren't going to spend as much time on non essentials.That is to say christianity was downstream of the biological nature of rome and its immigrants. Rome was not a good thing btw it was a cancer of muttification just like america, both trying to ruin europe. The biggest historical tragedy other than the USSR surviving ww2 is the cimbri not wiping out Rome.
>>214501737>Rome discovered steam enginesNope, that was ancient Greece.But yes, they used it as a toy, because slavery, food and wine was abundant.
>>214503087Lol, you are retarded
>>214501578Peak Reich
i want to go to there
>>214501335posts like this are very educational in the sense that you learn how adept christians are at gymnastics
>>214501335The 1st millennium only lasted around 300 years and Charlemagne never existed
>>214501037>fire arrowsthis literally never happened
>>214508242This is AI generated
>>214501535The film is set in the 70s, the music is from the 70s, just different centuries.
>>214503575>>214507510>biological resultByzantium added 500 years to its lifespan through simple military reform
>>214506028trade is not an empire you retard
>>214508519brainlet response :(
>>214501037I should rewatch Gladiator again. We really need to have more rome kino
>>214501513point out where exactly in the movie there was a camera and microphone
>>214508539The economy is the underlying base of every empire. The islamic expansion was only possible because the empires of the Romans and the Sasanians exhausted themselves economically by warring against each other for several centuries. The ascendancy of the European empires goes hand in hand with the age of sail and the establishment of global trade by Europeans. And the collapse of the Soviet empire is rooted entirely in economics.
>>214501037This movie started the BLUE FILTER traitThanks alot Scott
Whats a good rome game? I've already got total war and bonerlord
I still have no idea how he pulled off the backwards headbutt against the sword, threw the sword the way he did so it landed in the Praetorian's neck, or what the hell even happened during the duel against the guard on horseback.All I know is this>>214501204
>>214501535God I love this movie. James Purefoy as "Thomas Colville" lives rent-free in my head.
>>214508760>the backwards headbutt against the swordthe guard pulled the sword high above his own head, that gave aragorn enough space for the headbutt >threw the sword the way he did so it landed in the Praetorian's neckHis Throwing Skill was 80 + 10 Due to the "Roman Weapons Specialist" perk>what the hell even happened during the duel against the guard on horseback.rule of the cool
>OH N-
i cri everytim>the extended sequence of Maximus weeping was Russell Crowe's idea, originally the scene just cut upon his realization and immediate collapse
>They tell me your son squealed like a girl when they nailed him to the cross. >And your wife... moaned like a whore when they ravished her again and again... and again.WHY BONER
>>214509041Based Maximus, the ultimate "strong military leader with a big heart" character
>>214509142Knowing how ancient romans were it was probably the opposite The Goths did nothing wrong
>>214508689>And the collapse of the Soviet empire is rooted entirely in economicsIt really wasn't, not in the way it went down at least. USSR could easily be around for decades from the point of its collapse, with non zero chance of recovering into something resembling modern china, What did it in was party infighting and personally Gorbachev being absolute fucking faggot.
>>214502255like other anon said it's elevation + position on rivers>upper Place is more upstream>lower Place is more downstreamlike upper Egypt being south of lower Egypt.
im thinking about getting into romeis rome any good?
>>214509313>t. tankie copeThe USSR simply couldn't keep up with all the retarded military spending, wars (Afghanistan), internal strife and other related man made communists disasters (Chernobyl)By the time Gorbachev took over the entire thing was beyond salvation
>>214501037Pretty much.
>>214509142
>>214509357Yes, it's kino
>>214503575This plus Romans became useless fat degenerates who didn't work or raise families or believe in their traditionsIt's like no one has read Gibbon and fixates on the one thing he didn't actually say (he didn't blame Christianity at all)
https://acoup.blog/2025/06/06/collections-nitpicking-gladiators-iconic-opening-battle-part-i/
>>214509379Anon countries don't collapse in matter of a year due to economy tanking, they slowly rot from within for decades if not centuries. It takes direct action from very top or absolute frenzy of very bottom for it to go that way.
>>214509531the USSR wasn't a country, but an abomination keep together by and only by the absolute dominion and threat of violence of Moscow, the economical decay and rot started in the mid 80s and continued even after their dissolution
>>214509511Romans didn't have access to internet, Hollywood movies, video games and junk food. How are you sure they became fat degenerates? Plenty of their drunken orgies took place at the height of Rome's Empire. When not participating in drunken orgies, they enjoyed colloseum entertainment when they, weren't whipping their slaves to do farm work like Cato usually did because his slaves didn't grow enough cabbages.
>>214506834Marcus Aurelius planned to add two new provinces called Sarmatia and Marcomannia to the east and west of Dacia before he died and Commodus decided to conclude peace immediately and withdraw.
Is the fall of the Roman Empire unironically the only time in history the bad guys won on a global scale?
>>214509918Of course bro, you're very well versed in history after all
>>214509357There was a miniseries from the early 2000's about Attila the Hun and apparently starred Gerard Butler as Attila. I remember it being alright and watched it for the battles and all. Takes place during the late Western half of the Roman Empire when the Huns were attacking Rome.In the last major battle when the Romans were losing, Aetius, the antagonist of Attila, ordered one of his men to stealthily kill Thoedoric, leader of their Visigothic allies. This enraged the Visigoths and their anger turned the tide of battle for the Romans and defeated the Huns. In real life, I think King Theodoric was leading a charge against the Huns but was accidently trampled and killed by his own cavalry. The Visigoths still became enraged at the loss of their King and took out their anger on the Huns and turned the tide of battle in the Roman's favor.At the end of the miniseries, Attila the Hun got taken out by a woman he married who poisoned him. In real life, he probably died because of having too many drunken orgies.
>>214509918>germans won>bad guys wonof course
>>214509937>>214509950I said unironic.. I suppose the Sea Peoples won, and that was pretty bad.
>>214509939Oh wait, checking with Google, Attila died after a wedding feast because he choked on his own blood or vomit. He may actually have been killed by poison if his new wife killed him or he partied too hard during the wedding feast and that killed him. Only other death I know of where a person partied too hard and died was during that Futurama episode where Bender was human and died partying.>>214509918The Muslims were winning on a global scale during the 7nth century when they attacked the Eastern Roman Empire and Western Europe. They are literally the antichrist of that time period.
>>214507023HBO's Rome had the Roman soldiers using chainmail, I think.
>>214501335How are you blaming the collapse of the western roman empire on muslims who didn't exist until hundreds of years later.It was in what became the muslim lands that for a very long time the material legacy of Rome was better maintained. The systems of taxation and administration were more preserved in muslim lands than in western europe. The muslim lands were more urbanised, more stable, more functional by every metric for hundreds of years. If anything the problem with islam in a long term sense was that it was too good at preserving what was called civilisation. It basically kept replicating post roman types of civilisation any chance it could-larger urbanized polities with a sophisticated material and intellectual culture. The way the West pulled ahead of the rest of the world is in part due to it being such a shitshow. Because it was less unified, more fractured, more "primitive" in its social organisation. Because every little baron bumfuck rump kingdom had to fight so hard to even exist in a dense pressure cooker of fractal inter "state" anarcy. This game of having to fight constantly to survive, let alone establish and maintain a larger kingdom, let alone trying to truly centralise that away from the perogatives of feudal lords, heavily incentivised both technological and social innovation to the point that they slowly invented modern states and countries and financial systems that had the most effective weapons in the world. It was if anything all the progress of Rome being lost more thoroughly than in muslim lands that led to modernity.
>>214509939common g*rmanic chimpout
>>214509918British empire was pure evil and collapsedThe US empire is pure evil and rapidly collapsing
>>214510062Reading about the Islamic conquest of India/Africa and man, people should never complain about western colonialism again.
>>214507510Mediterranean became Whiter because of Alexander and the Macedonians spreading Greek culture and then the Romans spreading Greek and Latin culture. Mediterranean became more browner because of the Muslim Arabs, followed by Muslim Turks.>>214510130Stay in South Asia, you pajeet.>>214510142I don't really care about India since too many American jobs are being taken by pajeets who are killing America's economy while being aligned with Russia and China.
>>214510120there's one other desert religionwest did not pull ahead of the rest of the world, in fact christianity plunged it into dark ages while muslims were translating greek knowledge (what wasn't burned by the christians)secularity is what brought west ahead, renaissance, free trade and banking, everything that islam forbade i guess we agree christianity is to blame
>>214501335But none of that is true at all, you're a seething self-hating jew
>>214501899I can't believe I got memed into listening to this guy. I fucking lost it when he started calling some Persian guy Darth Vader then also calling Alexander Darth Vader. Everyone bad is always Darth Vader and a Hitler.
>>214510120Didn't read your post, but even though Western Barbarians brought on the dark ages in Western Europe, it was Islam that kept Western Europe in the dark ages through conquest, colonization, loot and slave raids. Islam only preserved parts of Roman culture because they conquered Christian Romans who inherited and ran those Roman institutions such as the Churches, schools and hospitals. The Eastern Roman Empire was what kept actual Roman culture alive even though they spoke mainly Greek. In fact a lot of the primary sources of the Roman Empire, their culture and literature, came from Greek refugees who fled to the West, from the ever encroaching Muslim Turks, and it was those Greek refugees who helped jumpstart the Renaissance. Not only that, but many Christian Churches in the West preserved Roman knowledge because of the literary Monks who copied and preserved Roman books and kept them safe in their monasteries until Europe was ready to recieve them and study them.
>>214501578This is the world wr need to return to. Not some crappy manufactured American dream or schizophrenic German paranoia. We need EMPIRE.
>>214501737>Rome discovered steam enginesThey literally didn't.First of all, steam-engines aren't "discovered", they're invented, idiot. They weren't just lying under a rock.Second of all, that wasn't Rome. That was Ancient Greece. It was believed to have been invented by Hero of Alexandria himself.Thirdly, they didn't invent a "steam-engine". They invented the Aeolipile, which is distinct from a steam-engine due to what the term "steam-engine" actually means. It wasn't continuous-action, it wasn't capable of serving as a source of power, and it wasn't capable of doing actual multi-purpose practical work. There's lightyears of technological difference between that and an interesting but essentially frivolous doodad like the Aeolipile, which while an interesting footnote was just a novelty. That's why there was no Industrial Revolution during or immediately after Greek Prominence, REGARDLESS of whether there were plenty of Slaves around or not. Because Humans had lightyears of scientific knowledge & advancement to go through between merely understanding "Steam can push things" to "Here's how to use Steam to power a Machine".
>>214501899Dan Carlin has dropped his mask as a histrionic TDS screecher.
>>214509313>It really wasn't, not in the way it went down at least.Not sure what you mean by phrasing it like that but when I said "rooted in" I mean a process that took place over decades, starting from an inferior economic system with the planned state economy, forcing the leadership to spend a much higher percentage of the overall economy on defense in order to compete with the US. This disadvantageous position then was vulnerable to and suffered from several shocks, both external and self-inflicted ones, like the easing of oil prices after the oil crises, the Afghanistan war and pouring resources into various proxy wars, the three consecutive harsh winters of 84/85-86/87, etc.It wasn't just out of some impulsive mood of the Soviet leadership that they stopped supplying their allies with fossil fuels at very favorable terms of trade, it was an economic necessity as the SU simply couldn't afford this anymore.>USSR could easily be around for decades from the point of its collapse, with non zero chance of recovering into something resembling modern china, What did it in was party infighting and personally Gorbachev being absolute fucking faggot.Pardon me, but this sounds like modern Russian propaganda. Gorbachev was the one trying to hold the Soviet Union together, Yeltsin was the one willing to throw the union under the bus to become president of Russia.The party state could possibly have survived (in a way it kinda did), but the other SSRs would've broken off regardless. And neither the party nor Russia could've stopped that. They lacked the resources as a consequence of their decades long economic woes.
>>214505777Animal furs atop metal armor is the height of male fashion.
>>214510461It's the height of irony that you can be a student of history yet at the same time be a devout fangirl of Donald believing blatant lies from a self professed conman that himself can't believe the stupid shit he gets away with
>>214510120fuckwit>>214510414there were no real dark ages, this is a popularly repeated myth. development continued at around the same rate.muslims should have been made utterly extinct the moment they spawned. they brought nothing but vileness to the world. you can tell because 1,400 years later the best they can do is rape/kill/blow people up,, wear rags and be filthy and evil.
>>214501335>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEBUr_suntw
