>have an already good story in a book>turn it into a tv show>make a bunch of retarded changes>ruined showwhy do they always do this?
>webrip alreadyFuck yeah!!!!!
>70 years of narrative progress across multiple mediums changes viewer expectation>TV is expensive now, can't gamble on going against modern standards>competition necessitates big budget, big budget draws in larger audience, larger audience is less likely to be familiar with source material>episodes have to sculpt a generic interest trajectory to stay competitive for viewer attention
It's why I'm not looking forward to the adaption of this despite it being my favourite Culture novel. You can guarantee they'll have trannies everywhere despite the setting having seamless full gender transcription tech.
>Introduce new characters that are better than most of the stuff in the booksHoly based
>>214504485Ego.
>>214505903>Consider Sneedbas
>>214505903Is someone working on this? I've heard Amazon was going to make it once upon a time but it got cancelled.Imagine trying to adapt something like Excession.
>>214505903Why is that ship trailing poo?
>>214506000>Wasting tripsTechnically it's meant to be after the CAT crew fucked up the megaship raid, but instead of trying to escape from Vavatch like in the actual text, the cover has the two survivors heading back down to the orbital to go play with a cannibal cult for a bit.
>>214505969That's not true as the new Alien show is the most viewed show currently and has high production value. It's getting rarer for a show nowadays to make big numbers without being cinema-lite.
>>214504485>Muh sauce material>muh changes>they ruin everythingop is a tranny as usual Just stop! Its been decades you are on the internet and complain how terrible adaptations are.Nobody is paying you to hate on 4chin, please change your approach on your conduct
>>214504485What changes? I never read Asimov because he looks like a commie.
>>214505985Amazon is still apparently working on it with some Chinese author and that bitch who directed Eternals. Someone in a previous Foundation thread brought up that Pace would be an excellent choice to play Gurgeh from Player of Games, which I agree with.
>>214504485just skip the boring parts and enjoy the Empire plot
>>214506243Relax and enjoy the Empire!
>>214504485Was reeeallly enjoying it but not feeling the sudden brother darkness sick and twisted arc destroying the genetic dynasty for egoI feel it betrays the promise and nuance of personifying a fall of rome via the degenerating cleons where eventually empire is just several or a few dozen systems, going out with a whimper
>>214504485in the novels Earth is supposed to be so radioactive that it should basically look like Venus, not just usual Earth with a lower sea level.
>>214505903They already made a halo show
I was a bit sad to see good characters dieI did enjoy the season
Did they really kill off Lee Pace and Laura Birn's characters? We're left with a shallow and mad Dusk, along with what looks to be an action-oriented plot going forward.Kill off the two actors that have been carrying the whole show on their shoulders while moving away from political intrigue, that'll bring in new viewers for... checks notes: Season 4.
>>214506235other than the names of some characters its 90% made up
>>214506235In the book professor Seldon develops psychohistory, the gist of it is that while it is hard to predict what an individual will do it is easier to predict what a group of individuals will do, and the more people the more accurate the prediction, so he uses his model on the trillions of people living in the Galactic Empire and realizes the Empire will irreversably fall and 10 000 years of chaos and strife will ensue. He then comes up with a plan to reduce it to "just 1000 years" by founding Wikipedia in planet form.In the series Sheldon discovers magic and uses it to predict how two indiviual black women are key to saving the universe.
>>214506235The Mule comes around decades after Trantor is over and done with.Demerzel is a man/robot, and has psychic abilities (and dates all the way back to Earth days).There are no emperor clones, just Cleon, second of his names.Those are some of the big ones.
>>214506522I've read them and don't remember much described about how it looks when it's rediscovered. They go into the moon instead.
the worst thing is they have a minor segment thats watchable (because they let white cast do their own thing on the side), and the slop-eaters are like>you gotta watch it, just go through 2 seasons , and also ignore the main plot, and also Asimov and his storytelling isnt good to begin with, Demerzel is kino brofuck you, im not watching more of this slop and giving positive reinforcement to their shitty behavior
>>214506235>What changes?Basically everything, there's no point in listing specifical things that are different from the Foundation books.
>>214508233>i won't eat a sandwich because i don't like the crust.stay mad chud.
>>214504485Because Hollywood is basically workfare for rich families and their friends. Talentless people are given jobs that they aren't qualified to do to justify giving them something to do in life. You hand them a good story and they will wreck it because they inject their extremely limited personal experiences into it which isn't relatable to 99% of regular people.
I miss her
>>214504485liberal White women.
>>214507852They've also replaced the showrunner and all the writers for season 4.
>>214509907>replaced the showrunner and all the writersoh fuck
>>214509907Just saw that. Fucking RIPThe original story was the only good part of the show and they're bringing in an absolutely terrible showrunner lmao.I'll enjoy the memories of the first two seasons and some of the third, I suppose.
>>214504485What was up with Gaal's skydive without a spacesuit? Did they run out of time and had to wrap it up somehow?
>>214509907Season 4? I thought the show concluded.
>>214511103Why would you think that?
>>214511103It got officially renewed a few days before the season finale aired, I think.
>>214511137It felt like a true finale. I don't know the books.>>214511147That's good news
>>214504485>nigger front and center in every promo shotno thanks Apple, get fucked
Did Demerzel survive? How was she able to transfer her program into the old skull?
>>214504485>still whining that it's different from the books 3 seasons laterlow effort
>>214511227She didn't. The old skull started transmitting on its own (after Day tinkered with it). Demerzel's skull did survive, though. So she might come back.
>>214511227A Reddit user claims that the final lights in her eyes blinked "transferred" in Morse code.
>>214511175>It felt like a true finale.In what way?>Real Mule showed up and is a huge threat>Gaal is injured>Dusk has take power by force and ended the genetic dynasty prematurely>robots on the moon have received a distress beacon and are being compelled to join in the war>the crisis hasn't been averted, nevermind reaching a point where they can shorten the centuries of darknessAre you retarded? Did you pay literally zero attention? Are you one of these idiots who just watches the empire storyline and skips the rest and then gets confused as to what's going on?
>>214504485are the books worth it?I liked the first 2 The Expanse books but not the rest, if that helps
why did dusk turn full schizo?
>>214511299Everything felt like that it's now up to the viewers imagination. It's not clear if crazy Cleon will actually be tolerated as single Empire. The way the confused servant reacted and such.Grandma Foundation meets NuFoundation, there is hope.Giant mystery box dropped by showing Earth and robots working with humans all along.It could have ended there but now I'm curious for more.
>>214511406He knows what's in the Prime Radiant. He knew that only a big change can save the empire & primal fear of death. He wanted to live and witness the changes he initiated.
>>214507758Pace isn't dead. His younger brother will age into him for season 4. The youngest Cleon was always a little boring.
>>214508165Ironically the three clone Cleons is the best storyline in the show and it's completely OC. Wish they made the same quality for the adapted storylines.
>>214504485Those evil niggers at the Foundation are supposed to be the bad guys, right?
>>214511406Dawn fucked off, joined Gaal and died*Day went full LebowskiGalactic counsil wanted to serve him and his home planet to the mule
>>214504485D&D would've given this justice considering there are already books to follow and they don't have to make shit up.I hate that Pistou guy gets typecasted to comically evil characters and same acting tier as travis fimmel.
>>214512874Also, Demerzel refused to move the Ascension time despite there were no other qualifying Empire's to face the predicted crisis coming in four months.
>>214512971I forgive her for that.
The prime radiant and the vault are ayy lmao technology, seeing as it's pretty much magic.
>>214511077yeah what's up with that? How do you survive that? Or was the space station not really fully in space?
>>214512874Plus his lover left him over a tiny bit of genocide, the woke old bitch.
Empire kino as always. Foundation are as annoying as ever.
>>214513098They're robot technology.
Will they do a ayy lmao galactic invader crisis or nah?
>>214506243Your thread will live on. But not without shitposts and tards
>>214509760that nigga is zesty
>>214511227we knew she had a decentralized consciousness and the chip was preventing her from switching bodies. the laser beam burnt off the chip and she had the chance to transfer to the skull
>>214511077black girl magic. she don't need no white man's physics
>>214513318humans used robots to genocide everyone in the galaxy. so no ayy lmaos
>>214513453kek
>>214512463seasons 2 and 3 I was fast forwarding through most foundation scenes and only watching for cleon/empire content
>>214506235They congealed all his series into one timeline .the robot series was always very loose. You have magapedos and angry foreigners reading cliff notes or watching videos then zoomers humor kicks in See a thingTell a lieThat's the joke kek skibidi I'll never own a home!
reminder that titular "Foundation" in "Foundation" is the First Foundation, not the Second Foundation.
>>214513679
why didn't demerzel thaw a new dawn and day once they were considered missing/dead?why did demerzel sacrifice herself for the new dawn when it only protected him for like 10 seconds and then he died anyway? it didn't help the empire so it should've been against her programming.speaking of which, why didn't she just move the baby out of the way of the beam? or even roll with it out of the waywhy was the fight with "the mule" so different than her visions?why was ra's forgotten when gaal was listing the important people to her? did they not want to call him boyfriend, partner, or baby daddy?
>>214513753Other shit kept on getting in the way I guess, she was missing a lot of stuff she'd normally be on top of this season as well.So that she could get rid of the control chip without going against her programming. Plus it feels pretty instinctual to jump to try and protect a baby the beam was fucking huge dawg, covering the whole clock tower window thingy. baby would have been killed instantly if she'd have tried to throw him outdunno lolFeel like they showed him in that sequence where her life was flashing before her eyes, idk
>>214505903Question Culture fans. Would Pace make a better Horza, Gurgeh, or Cheradenine?
>>214513753If something doesn't make sense, a wizard did it.
>>214512971she was proven to be right
>>214514443She caused the prediction to be correct. With no Dawn and Day to keep him in check, destroying the clones, and going crazy with the superweapon, he causes the Empire to collapse.
What the actual fuck was that finale?Secret Mule!The best character in the whole show got melted!Gaal falls from space!It's jumped the shark. God I wish we just got season 3 of Raised By Wolves
>>214514687Demerzel could still be OK if she actually managed to transfer her mind into the robot skull over the palace wifi
>>214514687>come to a thread>ask a question >that OP answeredthe show jumped the shark when they didnt follow the source material and their version of Foundation turned out to be a turd, but for 3 seasons the crew of this sinking ship has been surviving by pure luck thanks to a lifeboat that was supposed to be just a decoration on the side (Empire plot).
>>214514742I don't know why the fuck people keep saying demerzel transferred. The black lady robot on the moon literally says that the clasp was not coming from demerzel.
>>214514884didn't they say that Demerzel shouldn't be able to initiate the clasp? afaik they didn't say that it wasn't her.
>>214514791Yeah OP is wrong, you are wrong. The show was very good and no one actually gives a shit about the source material. You're such a performative little faggot. People like you have been doing this shit ever since adaptations exist>ermmmmmm akshually sweaty unlike you *I* read the source material and they should have just put that on screen 1 to 1 and it would have been better!!!!!!!!Plenty of shit that sticks to the source material is bad. It isn't what determines quality.>>214515006Buddy I literally just watched that fucking scene minutes ago. The freaky voice robot says he thought Demerzel couldn't initiate a clasp, and the black woman replies that it isn't Demerzel.
>>214515038I guess Demerzel is truly dead then. FAny reason why the strange robot on the Moon looked so archaic compared to perfect humanoids like Demerzel?
>>214504485That's what they do. Subvert and destroy. Show is DEI trash and not rue Asimov fan would watch that garbage. I dropped it after S1.>>214514023Interesting question. Gurgeh absolutely not, too physically different. Horza won't work as well, but is a better match. Cheradenine can definitely work.
>>214506235Those books are unfathomably based.
>>214514687>God I wish we just got season 3 of Raised By Wolvesit would outshine every other scifi show. i miss it dearly.
>>2145150381. plenty of shows dont follow source material and theyre good. But Foundation should have been cancelled after season 1.2. you came into the thread about shows taking a good source story and choosing to change and ruin it, and then you complain that there are posts in it about shows taking a good source story and ruining it
>>214506000Indian space ship
>>214514687>>214515501Praise Sol!
>>214506214yet you tried to change your sex anonlook at where that got you
>>214515111>I guess Demerzel is truly dead then.Maybe not, but I just think the transfer to the skull theory is completely baseless and idk why people keep talking about it as if the show did anything to indicate that it happened when the show actually contradicted it>skull seemed to spontaneously turn on after Demerzel is already dead>it initiates clasp>moon robot says it's not Demerzel doing the clasp>>214515535>Foundation should have been cancelled after season 1.Season 1 was the weakest. Season 2 was kino. Dawn's pilgrimage alone was worth an entire season.>>214515535>you came into the thread about shows taking a good source story and choosing to change and ruin it,No I came into a thread about the tv show Foundation. The only thread about it on the board right now. No one has to sign off on your retard opinions before being allowed to post
dou you fucking retards you there's a spoiler tag?
relax and enjoy the seethe of the book wankers
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>>214515650she was blinking "transfer complete" in Morse code though
demerzel transferred her mind to the skull you fucking retards. prolly gonna be a different actress tho.
>>214515770According to some fucking redditor. Also morsecode is really slow, there simply was not enough screen time for a message that long to be read
>>214515799>demerzel transferred her mind to the skull you fucking retards.Based on what? Other than your hopes and dreams.Again, moon robot explicitly fucking says that the skull's clasp was not Demerzel
So... Where the fuck is all the staff in the imperial palace? Who actually runs the Empire anyway, we haven't seen shit of the Imperial bureaucracy.
>>214515843because the skull is different hardware you lobotomized monkey. the software is demerzel.
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>>214515879>I'm a screaming retard who doesn't understand computers!Send an email from your account on someone else's PC bud.
>>214515916>emails and PCs are the same as tech tens of thousands of years in the futureYou don't deserve 5o breathe desu. We are done here, don't reply to me.
>>214515951>noooooooooooooooo these highly advanced computers with personalities all of their own would only identify based on hardware rather than generating unique greetings specific to their identityyyyyyyyyyyyyyAnd you have the balls to say anyone else doesn't get computers lmao
>>214515817if it was wrong a giga sperg on here or in other chud spaces would have refuted itunless the new witing team are 100 percent retarded there's no way she's not gonna show up when "what will demerzel do when free of Empire was her whole fucking plot last season lmao
>>214515984>if it was wrong a giga sperg on here or in other chud spaces would have refuted itThis is the morse code for "transfer complete" btw>- .-. .- -. ... ..-. . .-. / -.-. --- -- .--. .-.. . - .It's long as fuck. There simply was not time, I don't know how else to tell you
Alright /tv/, best Cleon storyline?I believe that season 1 Cleon XIII is the best, he's grappling with Seldon's predictions, the Dawn issue, dick Dawn XII and growing as a person during his Luminist pilgrimage.I always enjoy the Cleons, you always get these hints of humanity, kindness and understanding before being reminded that they're still vicious, violent megalomaniacs. The more a Cleon tries to be different the harder he falls.
>>214516026Season 2, blatantly. His pilgrimage and realizing he literally has no soul
>>214516062That's season 1.
>>214516014either it shows that message when the scene is slowed down or it doesn't *shrug*we'll find out in 18 months I guess
>>214504485I think it's because they feel the need to validate their own existence. If they truly just adapt the source material, one might accuse them of not having creativity of their own, which hurts the ego of a writer. So they take the IP and write their own story. If they're talented writers it works out, if they're not, you get people telling Salvor Hardin>you ARE special, Salvor.
>>214513722no no, no no no-noh.
is there a webm of gaal shooting her way off a space ship, jumping through glass, then sky diving into another space ship yet?
>>214516026Season 1 finale. Day goes full scorched earth on that girl. Kills everyone who has ever even associated with her, and then imprisons her for life in some sensory deprivation tank.
>>214505903https://vimeo.com/258709785
>>214505903It's not boding well I'm afraid. Foundation absolutely bungled all the high concept aspects of Asimov's work, basically reducing them down to magic. I think most modern TV is only capable of adapting the most simplistic, action-centred stories. To that end since Consider Phlebas is kind of the most traditionally narrative drive and action-oriented of all the Culture books it might fare better in the first season. It's when they try to tackle some of the later novels that I'd be worried. Can you imagine how badly your average TV exec would butcher the Player of Games?
>>214516530Not in the archiveso she's actually saying *transferred* in morse codeholy shit
>>214516724i hope that webm making anon comes back.
>>214515817It's on YouTube and you can go at 25%. Her mind transferred. You just watch recaps I take it. The camera stayed in the skull while it flashed on purpose Lee pace should be back. He should be playing the robot that designed the cleons in his image. The robot series was always verv murky in the canon, the tv show just combined and made sense of it so it should be a Lee robot and we saw and heard it.
>>214516530She's not in space. She's in atmosphere as the ship crashes down. The plan was for her to jump out of the ship and get into the ship on the way down. This is actually done in real life. She's using the plate to control her fall. Let me guess. Reality isn't real.
>>214517181>This is actually done in real life.can you show an example of this? you think people jump out of ships from that height in the atmosphere into other ships without a suit or oxygen tank? >Let me guess. Reality isn't real.no one is saying that. you sound like a schizo
>>214517409Yeah I can show you an example. It's in atmosphere. Not in space.
>>214517121It didn't happen, I'm sorry you believed some random fucking redditor because you didn't know better
>>214517523Theres clips online and I can read morse hahaha you got me crying at least you realized people have been skydiving plane to plane for at least 20 years now
>>214517435this is the shot when gaal breaks through glass and jumps out of the ship. you seriously think people do this and go into another ship?
>>214517634You didn't watch the show did you. It's why you are asking questions rather than make statements so you can go look up what I say and look for another argument.
>>214517634Oh, you can still see clouds. So it really wasn't an orbital skydive. But still, it's very cold and you can't breathe easily.
>>214517673i watched the show. you cant even answer the question you disingenuous shitposter.
>>214517756No you didn't watch the show. It's even stated. It's in upper atmosphere. She has to hold her breathe until she gets the thick part. You probably looked up the plane to plane transfers and realized you lied about that. You are lying. You are unpleasant. Why the fuck do you think I am required to talk you or answer you questions. You are a fucking prick and I was trying to be nice at first but I don't want to talk you.
the plot twist of the blonde girl being the mule is retarded and would make no sense whatsoever if you rewatchso who was the pirate guy and how was he doing all the stuff he was doing , at times she was on another planet.why was she wasting time getting married to shirtless dude? Also after she flees the party with magician she is nearly shotdown and her space ship crippled and damaged by "old mule" pirate guy air defences . then she comes within seconds of being destroyed by traders missile defences and survives a crash landing on trader planet.then she zapped by seldons null void and nearly killed multiple times during pirates attack on foundation planet
>>214517894Yeah what was up with Bayta? How did that make any sense? What role did Fake Mule actually play?
Not sure who is cracking me up more: the anon who is dead set on thinking Demerzel won't retain in some shape or form (the writer's being fucking idiots not withstanding) despite all evidence to the contrary, or the one who doesn't think that the scene where Gaal (wounded, shown no previous inclination of being Ethan Hunt) jumped out of the fucking stratosphere with no protective equipment is dumb as fuck
>>214517181she jumped from a space stationshe would burn in the atmosphere from the speed she inherited from the station
>>214517894post bayta webms
>>214517990>>214517634You can still see the bigger clouds from the side. It's high, but it's not in space yet. 80-100k feet.
>>214517981return even. I'm Demerzel and have zapped your memory of my dumbass typos
They actually shot the black hole bomb beam through their star gates. Why couldn't Star Wars be this clever?
>>214517565>Theres clips online and I can read morse hahahaIn "transfer complete" there's over 40 dots and dashes. Even if each one was on screen for only 1/4 of a second (not how it works, dashes are longer than dots, but average it out) it would take 10 seconds of screen time to encode that message.I don't know why your ego is tied to convincing people of shit that provably didn't happen
what was the plan here? Cook the baby slowly?
>>214517805you have serious mental problems and i hope you seek help
>>214518175There was no plan because the writers went completely off the rails in the name of having a shocking finaleThe Mule twist is so dumb they didn't even attempt to explain it. The twist only made ONE thing make slightly more sense, but simultaneously made a bunch of shit make much less sense.Like okay, I think the implication was that Male Mule's origin story doesn't make sense, but when you realise it's FeMule, the implication is supposed to be that they would rather have a son cos it's a a planet with a lot of manual labour. But the discrepancy wasn't inexplicable. The kid seemed like a bit of a little shit anyway, so maybe his parents just didn't love him as much, or maybe it's harder for them to kill a baby.But so much shit makes less sense now. Because Male Mule WAS in Gaal's head in the fight at the end. And we saw him wake up and complain about dreams of Gaal. And FeMule wasn't present for the whole display where Male Mule took his child bride and manipulated people after taking the planet, so what, FeMule was doing all that shit super remotely??? And then when they fled the party with the balladeer, they were almost shot out of the sky by Male Mule. It was all staged? How the fuck did they manage it? It all just makes less sense now and they didn't even bother to justify it
>>214507852Lee should be back as a robot who started the cleons. Dem should be back after she transferred. >>214511077They were in upper atmosphere and the ship was crashing into it slowly. When they talked about the strike it was brought up. Try watching the show.
>>214518690really makes you wonder if FeMule being gravely wounded was part of the plan and for what purpose? But I got to give the casting agency some credit. Young BoyMule looked exactly like his adult counterpart.
>>214507852Dawn is still alive, so there's potential there for more Dawn and possibly even a Day if they time skip
>>214518794Can anyone explain to me why FeMule needed to concoct a plan to steal her own musician from a man that was working for her???
>>214518809The show establishes that several adult clones are stored in case something happens to one of Empire. They even get the memories of the deceased. Would Crazy Cleon really abandon immortality by never reverting back to clones again?
>>214518834He was her plant. Nigga do you need spoonfed this shit
is there a bigger sign of hack writing than explicitly showing and showcasing things that aren't true to set up a big twist?i think the only thing worse is "it was all a dream" which is just the same thing on a much larger scale
>>214518909Oh you are one of those people who argue with questions and you think if people don't answer you win. I'm not in the mood for this.
>>214518881When Gaal scanned Toran for security reasons, she even said he only has love for Bayta in his mind. All the signs were there. When FakeMule was teasing MiddleEmpire, she told him to fuck off and he did.
>>214518873>The show establishes that several adult clones are stored in case something happens to one of EmpireYou...you watched the episode right, anon? You did watch it?Brother Darkness blew up all the clones and used the last one to trap Demerzel into self sacrifice>>214518881Instead of trying to retroactively justify this shit, look at it from the perspective of FeMule existing day 1. Why did things unfold the way they did? How come she didn't use mind control on all the enemies she had the opportunity to? I mean she was in the fucking Vault, man! It is not a twist that makes sense. The entire "plan" was just to create a timeline in which there can be a twist villain. It doesn't make anything make more sense, it makes it make less sense. Again:>we saw Male Mule has dreams of Gaal, we got fucking narration from him, something that cannot exist in-universe>FeMule was not present when Male Mule seemingly used "his" powers to take the child bride and mind control his enemies>FeMule was almost killed in the fucking escape with the balladeer, something that is very difficult to fake and could be fatal to get wrong
>>214518981Yeah, he did blow up all the clones to send a message. But will he say no more clones or maybe one or two in the future as backup in case I fuck up?
Everything is Pretty Kino and impressive except the Blonde Mule twist I agree. That's some weird bullshit lmao
>>214518029it's a space station
>>214518786>They were in upper atmosphere and the ship was crashing into it slowlywell it would be falling slowly towards surface but super fast sidewayssame principle applies she'd get rekt
>>214518834I think the balladeer is supposed to be the mule like the bookfags sayhe just picks his champion avatar and when the pirate ran his course he switched to baitahe imbues them with his agency to act on his behalf and is free to pursue his momentary interests
>>214521455Maybe, but what was the point in making Bayta claim to be FeMule if he was just immediately going to use his music power to help Gaal fend off FeMule? He could have left and chosen literally anyone in the galaxy to come forward and say they're the actual MuleAlso I could be wrong but I don't think balladeer was present at various times Muleon Greyjoy used mind control, so how does that work?
>>214506243lee pace aged like 20 years between season 1 and 3also i'm okay with change most of the time, but making bayta the mule was too stupid for even me
I want to Clasp with Dempretzel's buttscheeks
>>214521608because that last part didn't happen the way you think it didgaal is under the mule's control now
>>214519044I think you're getting your wires crossed a bit.I'm pretty sure Brother Darkness has decided he alone is Empire. He's ordered the other thrones to be removed. I don't think he'd risk the re-establishment of the dynasty by keeping younger models to hop into if he dies.We don't really know how old people can get in this universe. I think they said Hari made it to over 100 with his 2nd body right? But on the other hand they also said the Dusks were deteriorating faster as their genes get worse. But he's one of the most uniquely powerful people in the galaxy, I'm sure there must be some life preservation stuff other than back-up bodies.
>>214521699I want to hear mommy Demerzel say:>my form has been adapted to provide liquid nutrition if necessary. What you would call...breastfeeding.
>>214521722Maybe. It'd be a bit weird to establish that she has her mind palace in the same episode you decide she's gonna be mind controlled for next season
>>214520156FeMule just comes completely out of nowhere. Some people are saying other people said they loved her or seemed to obey her, but I really just don't see it. There are too many logistical problems with her being The Mule, there's a bunch of mind control shit that happened when she wasn't present, for one thing. And the fucking narration we got of The Mule's nightmares of Gaal are almost unexplainable if he was never The Mule
>>214521608like i said he might be able to give them his power to act independently of him while he goes about whatever amuses him
>>214521871Being able to gift mind rapist powers to people at will, even on a fucking whim in the moment seems like a pretty big deviation from how psychic abilities have worked in universe so far
>>214521908maybe he picks people with latent power
Pritchett didn’t sense the mule right away when he was with Bayla, which means he did a mind swap or some shit when he noticed that the mule is near.That’s why pirate mule lost so easily
>>214521953That's a lot of maybe's anon.
Why didn’t Gaal disintegrate from the heat she should’ve felt when reentering the earths atmosphere
>>214522076And don’t say black girl magic
>>214522101Okay I won't.
>>214522076bossnigger heat resistanceshe also sprinted like she didn't have a hole in her gut
Why didn’t Demerzel just move the baby empire instead of getting dramatic and shielding it
If Bayta is actually the mule what was the point of of going to meet the Mule at that party and skinning Torah’s hand
>>214522540Poor quality writing. I don’t even know what the death beam was. Did it appear at all before that scene?>>214522633To misdirect you, the viewer. That’s how powerful FeMule is she can break the 4th wall. Her powers include being able to mentally project an image of Muleon Greyjoy talking about how he’s been haunted by dreams of Gaal his entire life even though this would not make sense if he’s not The Mule
>>214504485I understood changes to condense time or to find a way to communicate information that is in the book that can't be narrated.But the arbitrary changing is always annoying. There is a threas up about the new King film and it seems the studio.has decided to make absolutely retarded changes to the ending to make it more appealing to audiences. The books ending seemed to appeal to audiences just fine, hence you adapting it.
>season 3>they still haven’t found AtionThat the fuck is taking so long?
>>214522007that's not another that's a different
>>214522681yes it destroyed 3 planets and all the vats
>>214522767That wasn’t the black hole beam surely. That weapon that vaporizes planets? And you think it can be condensed into an itty bitty 6ft wide beam that’s perfects safe to stand next to?Also the vats weren’t destroyed by that, he blew them up because they have a fucking self destruct apparently. They exploded individually
>>214508165They butchered altered carbon too.
>>214508165>Galactic Empire and realizes the Empire will irreversably fall and 10 000 years of chaos and strife will ensue. He then comes up with a plan to reduce it to "just 1000 years" by founding Wikipedia in planet form.>In the series Sheldon discovers magicThis is so dumb. Be mad about the show inventing characters and making them super important if you want, but your description of psychohistory in the books is exactly how it’s portrayed in the show. The first season Empire literally out psychohistory on trial and it was explained just as you described. Then we’ve had numerous points about it being very bad at predicting individuals, that’s why Gaal is an anomaly, it’s why The Mule was such a problem- The Mule is a single person with immense power to alter events so the prime radiant is very bad at predicting what impact he will have
>>214523677We both know he didn't watch the show, he just wants to complain about black people existing
At first I thought Gaal's accent is Australian. It got annoying overtime, even Dermezel's accent isn't as annoying.Why didn't earth robots help dermezel?
tfw no against a dark background movie
>>214504485>why do they always do this?Arrogance.Network and studio heads think they are somehow better writers than the original author, who has a bazillion copies sold world wide.
The original trilogy of Foundation books were amazing. They're also sorta short so Im miffed they botched it when it wouldve been perfect to adapt. Prequel duology books are okay. Sequel duology are rancid add that torpedo the entire premise and setting tho.
>>214506243So, is he indicating two in the stink?
>>214511103Apple CEO and half the board are the actual backers. They plan on doing ALL of the Foundation series anon. Up to 8 seasons. Based on current flow, estimated completion would be 2034. We MIGHT get a flashback or season of the Robot Wars.
>>214524117>Why didn't earth robots help dermezelFind out in season 4 I guess
>>214513098>>214513195Not sure about that, but I can tell you The Mule is. Recall "EXO" from season 1. Recall Hari saying "The Invictus is the key to all of this." It brought something back. That something is NOT from the Milky Way as the Invictus fold system could have taken it anywhere.
>>214513318It would be interesting if they did because the reveal at the end of the last book is that the galaxy is unified into a collectively conscious superorganism in order to defend against future intergalactic threats. I would really like to see that explored further but the series ends there.
Is blatantly lying to the viewer an indication of bad writing?
>>214524983I don't think the mule is an alien. He's just another mentalic like the second foundationers. But you're onto something.
>>214525006I play stellaris a lot, that's where I got the idea from.
>>214516724So /tv/, what's her [pussy like since she is fuckable?
>>214524983>>214525092The spacers might bring something back and put the galaxy in danger since they're freely exploring outside the galaxy.
>>214525006No fuck that bullshit ending
>>214518116Anon, that was not a gate, that was Surah, the gas giant the Maiden orbits.
>>214525272Yeah I think so, it also has limited range that's why he couldn't fire on new terminus.
>>214525150The whole Gaia/loss of individuality thing was hard to swallow at first but the motivation made it more compelling imo
>>214522767>>214522806In canon its called a Phase Distortion Beam. It's a weapon from the Robot Wars that's only used by Empire. You see it used at the very beginning of the whole series against this old dude, and he gets gibbed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6lBAaZqInA&ab_channel=sammaks
The musician is the real Mule. He uses his music to manipulate others and to share his power/influence with them. It explains why Beyta and Euron were dependent on him and weaker without his support.The ascension is not a black hole beam; it looks like just a standard DEW. She melts, flesh incinerates. Believe it or not, the Novacula is actually a plausible weapon that could theoretically exist. Nothing about it is actually theoretically impossible. Dusk did absolutely nothing wrong. He freed the Cleons (what's left of them) from Demrezel and freed her as well. The Cloud Dominion, Lumineers, and Galacitc Council were useless without Empire's support. In fact, that humanity essentially perishes once the Empire falls is proof that the Cleon's were legitimatelly correct in everything they did. The Foundation created the circumstances that led to the destruction of the human race. If Hari Saldon had never pushed his psychobabble, none of this would have happened. 'OH BUT THE MULE' Hari never predicted the Mule. Do people actually feel sorry for Dem? She's a robot that quite literally enslaved the entire human race for reasons she is fundamentally incapable of resisting or ignoring. Do you all not remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9v6rY50OGI
>>214504485i have no idea. it drives me up the goddamn wall
>>214504485>why do they always do this?Everything must be rewritten for the "modern audience" which is of course brain dead.
>>214525759the post above yours details a show that adds a huge bunch of bullshit backstory to what was originally "oh fuck an invisible dome out of nowhere, now what?"sometimes a self absorbed fuck just wants to see THEIR ideas on the screen and has to hijack someone else's work to do it
>>214504485Mah goodness, what an outstanding series. top tier 10/10 fully recommended master piece.Season 4 premiere date fucking when??
>>214504485Is there any novel about this where I can continue reading what happens?
>>214526656July 22, 2027.
>>214526682there's seven of them you retarded zoomer tripfaggot
>>214526810no there aren'tthat is like saying you should read Fifty Shades of Grey to know what happens after the first Twilight movie
>>214504485>Evil Foundation: White woman (Mule)>Good Foundation: Black woman (Gaal)>Evil Empire: White woman (Dem)>Good Empire: Black woman (Kale)holy mother of pozzed shit. i don't think I will be watching S4. they turned mule into a DEI statement about china's one child policy.
>>214504485Because retarded writers they hire think they are geniuses and know better then original writer of the story.
>>2145267902027?! Damn!! I'm already too old, I don't think I can survive another year. I'm going to have to watch the series from heaven. I hope they have an AppleTV subscription.
>>214511406everyone around him was an incompetent quibbling retard except for Dawn (who he presumes is dead) and Demerzel (who is programmed to kill him once his time is up and cannot be convinced otherwise). His actions throughout the season convince him that he needs to be alive to keep Empire alive, and that he was the only one really running the show. Dawn’s “death” and then the Council’s betrayal was probably what really sent him off the edge.
>>214506243RESPECT AND ENJOY THE MEMES
>>214522681I guess it’s what they use to vaporize the expired Dusks?
>>214528004>it’s what they use to vaporize the expired Duskshey I think you're right anon I didn't pick up on that
>>214504485save money on not paying the book author (same with SW EU Book))
>>214524117>Why didn't earth robots help dermezel?the cylons have a planthey never had a plan
>>214525404cool
>>214515274>Gurgeh absolutely not, too physically differentWhile he doesn't have Gurgeh's look, he definitely could do his personality.>>214525150>No fuck that bullshit endingYeah the ending to Foundation and Earth felt very rushed, and I'd be more accepting of the Galaxia shit if it was put under the microscope in the same way psychohistory was. Instead Asimov decided to GRRM the series.
>>214525272It's not in that webm. They are shooting straight through a gate.
