What would you name this phenomenon?
>"This would be okay if they had a red star on their helmets"ism
>>214507154anti-fascism
>>214507154media literacy or something
>>214507154People who don’t understand that an enemy will always be needed to maintain cohesion vs people who are the “enemy”Holy shit, I’m reminded of 1984, a book I actually read back in fucking but a lot of people only claim to have read if that.
>>214507154The Appeal of OrderWe live in a chaotic world so fictional factions that promote strength, unity and order have their evil aspects excused because a lot of people long for a society that has those things Of course they miss the face that such factions are usually lying about having those things. The average Imperium of Man apologist would be turned into a servitor or would be drinking drainwater and eating corpses in an underhive
>>214507154Falling for evil ideology because it looks cool and is cohesive (and I'm saying this as someone who's always liked The Empire)
>>214507235>>214507318Define evil.
>>214507325anything you like and nothing i like
>>214507195problem is half the people who read it salivate over the control the party had over people
>>214507154Big E isn't evil himself. His cult kind of is, however, 40k has many books, and they all portray things differently. Like, one book might state that the empire is purging thousands of planets daily, then another might state that purges are super rare, and that empire doesn't has that many worlds etc
>>214507154Terminal contrarianism. These are the same people who got upset when Arnold said "Screw your freedoms".
>>214507235>>214507318>>214507355You know you're supposed to be referring to the film director on the left, not the images on the right?
>>214507325Unnecessary acts of violence for one The Empire blowing up Alderaan, the Imperium killing peaceful aliens or humans who don’t want to join them, etc
>>214507381That wasn’t made clear, retard, I thought we were referring to the meme’s retarded idea that these factions aren’t evilIf you think the IoM or Empire isn’t evil, you’re retarded, that’s my name for it, OP is a Retard syndrome
>>214507325Blowing up a planet full of innocent people just because the princess of said planet was a rebel is a good example.
>>214507354He was killing Xenos that had no ill will for the Imperium, authorized his sons to slaughter worlds that wouldn’t join them, was using servitors in his society, etc
>>214507154who are the bottom right?
>>214507451Cerberus from Mass Effect 3 in particular
>>214507451Bottom left is the Nazis after taking over America in Wolfenstein. Bottom right are Ceberus from Mass Effect 3, the terrorist group that works with the alien machines trying to exterminate all sentient life.
>>214507423It's how the meme format works, you fuck. Who's the illiterate one now?
>>214507325You
>>214507318>>214507393the empirie brought peace and stability, the minute actions they took were proportionate and necessary to destroy a terrorist insurgency Thats what good governments dohttps://youtu.be/wKII7lNsVIE?si=jvBZnKgsJgnmuudX
>>214507482I understood the meme format, fuckhead. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you didn’t agree with the idiotic idea presented. I see I gave you too much creditKindly kill yourself
>>214507171/thread
>>214507499>starts a giant civil war to give himself supreme power for life>exterminates his political and religious rivals>this results in a massive galactic rebellion against his regime which plagues (heh) his rule until the rebels ultimately kill him and restore the republicThere was literally never peace or stability while Palpatine was in power.
>>214507500>the tolerant left has arrived
>>214507562>wtf I was only saying that the nazis were the good guys>why are you so intolerant of my views bro
>>214507597Isn't diversity a good thing? I bring ideological diversity.
>>214507477>>214507472The Illusive Man is a case where its the writers fault. They forgot to make him do evil things in the game and then just throw in some bullshit twist at the last second that makes no real sense with his actions throughout the gamehttps://youtu.be/3rf65FRgHt4?si=oGjH97iXsOyUMXiS>>214507499This is just contrarianism shit though. Palpatine was an evil satanic ghoul who started a war just to seize power and ruled as a brutal dictator. One of his top guys blew up an entire planet that did nothing against them just to prove a point
>>214507637was this supposed to not make you seem like a stupid bitch in need of a bullet?
>>214507637>Isn't diversity a good thing? No, I'm not a leftist.
>>214507673>The Illusive Man is a case where its the writers fault.No, it's not. Cerberus was already comically evil in ME1. ME2 TIM tried to manipulate Shepard.
>>214507355The fact that you don't see a difference between stripping personal freedom and stomping out degeneracy and treachery is proof you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
>>214507773>ME2 TIM tried to manipulate Shepard.After saving his life with no strings attached and therefore saving the galaxy.
>>214507154>What would you name this phenomenon?I get what you're going for, but I dont think this is a good example. The Empire (star wars) and Nazis from Wolfenstein are both objectively evil in both stories. The new Wolfensteins first mission has an evil scientist make you watch as he sucks the brains out of one of your buddies and sadistically makes you pick which one he will do it too. The imperium of man is this thing that people miss the point on. I see some people praise it in lore because the other option to for humans to be genocide by other aliens, but the reality is that the imperium is a horrible place to live in anyway. Its a sort of Eastern Front between Nazi and Communist story
>>214507773>ME1Cerberus are "le evil racist" who are a background faction. Theres one sidequest where Alliance troops investigate a planet they are conducting experiments.In 2, The Illusive Man and Cerberus are literally the only faction doing anything about the reapers. No other faction is doing shit even though they just got nearly destroyed by them. The even put aside all their alien bigotry to assemble a team of the best of the best to stop them. The Alliance had Shepherd doing patrols against geth separatist and the illusive man brought him back to life, no strings attached, and gave him his own command and infinity dollars to stop the reapers
>>214507824And Inglorious Basterds depicted the 'good guys' as murdering surrendered soldiers. Was that a film about the Axis being the good guys?Such a stupid trope people use to argue by discrediting the group because of the actions of one. Even the Alderaan incident was the result of Tarkin's - and not the Empire's - actions.
>>214507914Tarkin is part of the empire. Tarkin was commander of the death star built by the empire and literally no one stops him or protest against his use or tries to arrest him or even says "he shouldnt have done that">Was that a film about the Axis being the good guys?No anon. This is what the "anti-hero" is. I know this term is thrown around a lot, but this is a perfect example. The heros of the story doing things that usually the bad guy would do in order to achieve their objective. You're just being contrarian.
>>214507810Wrong. It only seemed that way because TIM was trying to present himself as the good guy.>>214507878It's true that Cerberus is the only group doing something, but TIM had his motives. Anyway, that's a retcon in itself since they were comically evil space racists in ME1.
>>214507807Arnold didnt say "screw your freedom" in reference to any sort of culture war issue, it was over a health mandate issue. If you were this upset over covid vaccine things relating to you having to get it and not being allowed in public, then you sure as shit wouldnt like the imperium of man
>>214507978>The heros of the story doing things that usually the bad guy would do in order to achieve their objective.That's called being ruthless. Which is what every designated 'evil' faction does. Tarkin was ruthless in destroying a planet that was home to rebellion. Had he managed to destroy the Rebellion in the first film, he may have saved his Empire and preserved peace in the galaxy.See how mind-warped you are into accepting hypocrisy? You probably support American war crimes because democracy.
>>214508017Ever considered that it's not always the decree people disagree with, but whose giving it? What their intentions are?
>>214508017Once again, the fact that you don't see forcing an experimental MRNA drug on the entire population, shutting down businesses and schools, and locking people in their homes indefinitely as stripping away personal freedoms shows you are not smart enough to vote. You literally don't have the mental capacity to comprehend the weight of your decisions.
>>214507807On the off-chance that this isn't bait, yes labelling something you don't like "degeneracy" and banning it is exactly the same as stripping personal freedoms.
Move to North Korea then OPChuds are so retarded
>>214508002It only seemed that way because the writers suck and forgot to make him evil. Solid Snake was injected with FOXDIE at the start of his mission. Snake Pliskin was injected with a microbomb to keep him under control. The Illusive Man does nothing like this though.>>214508002>It's true that Cerberus is the only group doing somethingExactly. Hes even willing to put aside his own hang up with aliens to do it too. The options are either the illusive man, a flawed person whos done questionable things, stops the complete genocide of sentient life or you do nothing as bickering politicians sit on their ass.The game writers fucked up and forget to make him evil. They could have at least made it to where The Alliance and/or The Citidal want to stop the reapers one way and the illusive man wants to do it another way. But no, even after a reaper attacked them, they still stupidly deny it
>>214508053This is exactly what totalitarian shitholes like China did though. You're brain-dead if you think the Nazis would have been any different.
>>214508062>Something you don't like>It literally gives you diseases, kills you, and destroys your society if done en masseYou should not be allowed to vote.
>>214508077>You should not be allowed to vote.A great example of stripping someone of their freedoms, retard.
>>214508062>>214508074See this >>214508038
>>214508029>That's called being ruthless. Which is what every designated 'evil' faction does.Again, this is what an anti-hero is. Hangcuffing a man to a radiator, making him beg for his life, and then hacking at his head with a meat clever is something only an evil character would do, but you didnt bat an eye when Rorschach did it in the Watchman movie. In fact, you probably thought it was badass. I think the only reason your upset with the Inglorious Basterds scene is because you're some sort of neo-nazi apologist and feel personally attacked by the scene because you picture yourself in place of the german POWs in that scene.
>>214508084>Saying you want something, despite not having the means to enact it or enforce it, is stripping personal freedoms>Locking people in their homes indefinitely, stealing the childhood of an entire generation, and forcing them to take experimental medication with deadly side effects just to give money to large pharmaceutical companies, is not stripping personal freedomsYou should not be allowed to vote.
>>214508087It doesn't matter. Stripping people of their personal freedoms is always bad and it always leads to totalitarian rule.
>>214508053>this was awful!Ok, Im not debating that. Im saying that the fictional faction in Warhammer 40K does things like this but to a much worse level all the time. If you were this upset over covid laws then you shouldnt look at the imperium of man and think they are badass and would want to live there. People picture themselves as space marines when they would really be those cyborg slave things.
>>214508116We've been living under totalitarian rule that caters to you people for generations. Are you surprised people want to live under totalitarian rule that favors THEM?
>>214508110>Saying you want something, despite not having the means to enact it or enforce it, is stripping personal freedomsSo you admit the only thing stopping you is that you lack the means to strip people of their freedoms. Good.>>Locking people in their homes indefinitely, stealing the childhood of an entire generation, and forcing them to take experimental medication with deadly side effects just to give money to large pharmaceutical companies, is not stripping personal freedomsShow me where I was in favor of any of those things, you illiterate monkey.
>>214508139>retard thinks I'm a leftist because I said fictional nazis are bad guysSerious case of brain rot.
>>214508125Until you realize that half of that shit is added as the author's way of impotently saying>NOOOO! YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO LIKE THEM! THEY'RE LITERALLY NAZIIIIIIIIS!!!!!!!!Same with Starship Troopers, same with Star Wars, same with Helldivers, same with Warhammer
>>214507154Imagine falling for the fictional propaganda of factions that aren't just evil, but actively losing.
>>214508148Oh but you are, I can tell. We can literally smell you through the monitor. It's why I have to keep tabbing out to catch my breath.
>>214507451Cerberus, the most retarded motherfuckers in the galaxy who expended vast amounts of resources to fuck over aliens in the service of their 'pro-human' agenda, but like 95% of their victims were other humans.
>>214508157>same with Star WarsThe Empire blows up a civilian planet because the military target was too far away in the very first movie and retards still manage to convince themselves that they're the good guys. Incredible.
>>214508175Stupid nigger. I am unvaxed and I vote for right parties. You are just too terminally online and too low IQ to understand the difference between a conservative and a fucking nazi.
>>214508157Warhammer was always like that though, it always was grimdark meaning no faction is good. Its either living the life of a subhuman slave breathing toxic fumes for your short life or being massacred by aliens. Starship Troopers is Verhooven not reading the book (literally having no media literacy) and getting triggered by his PTSD childhood shit.Star Wars had the empire be obviously and objectively evil from the start. Its a kids movie so theres no real nuance to it, its just a simple good guy vs bad guy movie. not familiar with helldivers though. Point remains that if you are upset over covid lockdowns then its retarded and hypocritical for you to praise the imperium of man
>>214508104>Hangcuffing a man to a radiator, making him beg for his life, and then hacking at his head with a meat clever is something only an evil character would do, but you didnt bat an eye when Rorschach did it in the Watchman movie>killing a guy who tortured and raped a little girl then cut her up and fed her to his dogs is totally something an evil person would do! Rorschach is basically the same as that killer for killing him!You're a genuine retard. If good doesn't respond to objective evil with violence then evil continues to be even more violent and depraved.
>>214508104>because you picture yourself in place of the german POWs in that scene.I wouldn't elevate myself such.
>>214508504>If good doesn't respond to objective evil with violence then evil continues to be even more violent and depraved.Ok, well thats what the Basterd characters were doing in the movie. Literally the exact same scenario. You have the bad guy apprehended as a prisoner, but instead of handing him over to the authorities, you brutally execute him. Its like your making baby steps into realizing something you never really thought out.
>>214507154The Galactic Empire has absolutely no drip. I'm tired of people pretending it does.
>>214507354Big E has the same problem that Leto II Atreides has (he's a direct inspiration) in that he's been alive for so long (50,000 years) and seen so much awful shit that humans have done to each other AND has the ability of precognition and seeing into the Warp to see the real enemies of the living (the Chaos Gods and their hordes) and knows that a harsh authoritarian regime is the only way humanity can survive (in Leto's case it's humans getting comfortable with being ruled over and eventually they stop expanding into the stars). Both Big E and Leto II do evil things for the greater good, which is objectively the best course of action since both men can see almost all possible futures (literally in Leto's case).
>>214508556Except the entire premise for WWII that the film portrays is wrong from the start. Besides shit like the Dirlewanger Battalion, National Socialist Germany was objectively in the right in everything they did by throwing off Jewish power and returning it to the German people and resultantly defending themselves from the (((Allies))). Hitler underestimated just how brainwashed and subverted France, the UK and US really were.
>>214508757>>214508757>I dont like nazis getting killed because Im a neo-nazi lol I called this in my original post. A regime that did shit that did include murdering and raping little girls deserves to be violently stopped. Nazis were objectively evil. Go look up who Czesława Kwoka wasinb4 you back peddle and say this 14 yo girl deserved it.
>>214507154media literacy
>>214508837we are not a democracy either. propaganda decides the vote.
>>214508584Wrong
>>214507557>rebels restore the republic>allow it to fall apart instantly>somehow palpatine returns>>214507914Inglorious Basterds has the Nazi propaganda movie that is basically like the movie you're watching, it's so meta bro.
>>214508990>dripIt's cool in a gear and kit and greebles sort of way. But fascist hugo boss drip? Less than zero.
>>214508556>>214508895She didn't deserve it but perhaps Poland shouldn't have been ethnically cleansing Germans in Eastern Poland at Soviet and British encouragement (and which were originally majority German lands before the Treaty of Versailles) for years to the point where they had to invade just to stop it. How many innocent German children died as a result of that? It was also super evil of Hitler to offer over a dozen offers of peace to the British despite Churchill constantly turning his nose at it. Who was the real war monger again?Also, I like how the articles I've read say Kwoka died from a phenol injection to the heart but never explain where they got that information from whereas the German record keeping states she died from malnutrition due to gastroenteritis, which was extremely common for prisoners when they couldn't feed them properly. I bet you still think there were distinctions between concentration/work camps and "death" camps when all camps were work camps, just like the internment camps for the Japanese in California during the same time period. The difference being that the US never had to deal with supply lines being bombed so they could feed their prisoners.
>>214508104The problem with modern nazi revenge porn movies is that they never establish the characters are evil besides just sticking them in a Nazi uniform and soÿpointing. I find it really interesting how movies that were filmed in the decades directly following the war portrayed the Nazis with more humanity than we do now, which is as stock NPC fodder for people who want to watch bloodsports and not think about morality
>>214507154>If they look cool, that means they are right!
>>214508062It's a balancing actYou can either have pride parades, or you can have happy healthy normal familiesYou have to choose The idea that everyone can have everything has been pretty well washed out
>>214508895>lol I called this in my original post. A regime that did shit that did include murdering and raping little girls deserves to be violently stopped.This is true of every regime ever.The nazis at least tended to shoot guys they caught raping. The soviets encouraged it.
>>214509238That's what Tarantula was alluding to. Our propaganda is the same as their propaganda.
>>214507423>>214507500>>214507597>>214507677The left can't argue (without resorting to inane insults and calling for the death of their opponents).
It's hard to cater to the desires of contrarian losers on 4chan.
>>214508104>Hangcuffing a man to a radiator, making him beg for his life, and then hacking at his head with a meat cleverNow I'm reminded of how they've butchered (lol) what was a chilling scene in the original. What was even the point of handcuffing the pedo if Rorschach wasn't going to set the warehouse on fire and give the guy a choice to saw off his limb or burn?
>>214508017How come he didn't say "screw your freedom" when Democrats demanded the freedom to break Lockdown and go cough-on each other in big, unmasked, unvaccinated swaths in over to """protest"""?
>>214507393>>214507438Sounds like some unfortunate collateral damage from an anti-terrorism operation. Maybe they shouldn't have been harboring a known domestic terrorist.
>>214509238>>214510375In addition, the immediate post-war WWII films portrayed the Germans as misguided yet strong and somewhat honorable opponents (in films made during the war itself they were portrayed as weak for propaganda purposes), far better than the hyperbolic, irredeemably comically evil genociders with great fashion sense that they are currently portrayed as and have been since roughly the 80s, although I think the popularity of Schindler's List (whose portrayal of events are largely hyperbolic or just outright fabricated) in the early 90s contributed heavily to the current animosity towards them. There is currently no other nation or people in history so consistently portrayed in the media as the height of evil than National Socialist Germany, so much so that political ideologues on both sides of the aisle use Nazi as the ultimate insult (although I would argue that the "far right" doesn't really exist anymore as an organized political force).
>>214507154"Poisoning the well". It is important to associate right-wing imagery with bad guys so that everyone knows not to go there IRL
>>214509548National Socialist Germany was extremely strict in terms of wartime rape. A Wehrmacht soldier would be summarily shot with a very short court martial if they were found to be raping women. The French found out first hand early on in the war how well they were treated during their occupation. Compare that with being raped by American niggers during their "liberation" and you can see why many of the French were disappointed at seeing the Germans pull back and the Allies push forward.An exception was the Dirlewanger Battalion on the Eastern Front. Most of the comically evil acts attributed to the Nazis can be blamed on that single SS battalion. Those motherfuckers were insanely evil, which makes sense considering their ranks were largely recruited from violent prisoners, thieves and rapists.
>>214508757Jewish-Germans were a part of the German people. They bled in WW1, they spoke a Germanic language, they contributed to German arts and sciences. You're not "objectively in the right" trying to justify the mass murder of veterans who fought for Germany on account of their ethnicity. You're actually objectively a reprehensible piece of subversive shit that should be despised by the world and fortunately you are.
>>214507325Fuck off
>>214510557Wow bro you're so edgy
>>214507180I'm more of an anti-antifascist.
>>214510396>me when I have selective reading while browsing a website full of conservatives calling for the mass genocide of their perceived opponents
>>214507171Kek
>>214508504who defines what's evil?
>>214511320from the thumbnail i thought the last panel was that racist 'jak caricature of black people, you know the one.
>>214507325*gets shot*
>>214510761Jews are jews, they havent spent 2000 years as a diaspora but maintaining an identity if they didnt want to remain jews. Compare that to say, Cumans in Hungary. Jews do not want to be part of their host nation. They want to be Jews.Now go suck off AIPAC, yankee.
>>214507354>Big E isn't evil himselfHe is so autistic that he doesn't understand the consequences of his despite being the most intelligent being in the galaxy, or better yet, refuses to accept it because of his hubris, which makes him evil.
>>214507499Killing off 99.9% of all humans would make the world objectively a very peaceful place, but it would still be evil.
>>214508610Doing an evil thing for good reasons doesn't make the evil thing you did good.Embrace being the amoral hand that guides the masses towards objectively better future, and stop being a little bitch that needs validation by trying to justify their actions to plebs who will never comprehend them anyway.
>>214512597Fair enough>>214510761Jews are completely fine with being a supremacist ethnoreligious group while simultaneously pretending that they are both weak victims and masters of everything on this Earth. It is impossible for them to assimilate into a host nation because they are parasitic by nature. Hitler himself in many writings and speeches lamented that the average Jew didn't admonish the supremacist beliefs, massive level of usury and subversive parasitical social strategies espoused by the extremely rich Jews and spiritual Jew leaders. Because the average Jew who owned a corner store remained silent on this, he had to assume that all of them implicitly agreed with the "Chosen People" paradigm and so acted accordingly by rightfully labeling them enemies of the State. Just because a some Jews participated in the armed forces and/or policed their fellow Jews doesn't mean that they still shouldn't be removed from the host country.
>>214507325women
>>214507154cerberus did nothing wrong
>>214507154Not /tv/
>>214508231The writer of Starship Trooper did read the book. Verhooven's job wasn't to create the story it was to direct it and throw in his own ideas. That's what he did for Robocop and it's what he did for Starship Troopers. If you actually look into the making of the movie it's clear that there was no misunderstanding.Warhammer is just plagiarized nonsense designed to sell toys. It's only "grimdark" because Judge Dredd was popular with kids in the UK at the time and it was also edgy. If GW could do things over again they would 100% make the setting a generic good guys vs bad guys affair. If you think slop like warhammer is "le epic kino with the deepest lore" shut the fuck up about Starship Troopers beause it's obvious you don't understand anything about the film.
>>214507154Whats inspiring about the nazi one
>>214507154I don't think you can call the emperor evil, considering the context. All the horrible shit the imperium does goes explicitly against his wishes, but he's too much of a spoopy skellington to do anything about it. And it doesn't help that everything else in the galaxy is like 100 times worse.
what do they eat in their empires tho? what are their tax policies? what are the rebels actually rebeling against?
>>214507499Here's the only defense you'll ever need for Palpy:He always looks like he's having a great time shooting lightning around and enslaving the galaxy.
>>214513277That's mostly a retcon from the Horus Hersey novels though. From the first edition he wanted to conquer the galaxy so he could manage humanity's evolution into a psychic race.
>>214513299>what do they eat in their empires tho?ppl and things>what are their tax policies?Pay the imperial tithe or get exterminatused.>what are the rebels actually rebeling against?Uh.. like, they have daddy issues and shit.
>>214513388Most of the things in WH40K are a retcon or added after the fact, you can't operate on Rogue Trader canon.
>>214513424Because it's a slop setting that shouldn't be taken seriously and should be confined to its containment board.
>>214507171A lot of shit in WH40K is inspired by the Soviet Union. Like Commissars that shoot solders that don't charge suicidal in Operation: Human Shield is straight from the Soviet Union in WWII.
>>214513484that's just a bit from call of duty and nazi propaganda that's unsubstantiated
>>214507325That which fucks without sucking.
>>214507154This is why americans keep shooting each other.
>>214513444Nobody asked.
Never thought Darth Vader was cool or "inspiring" even before I knew he was a fat bald old man. He came off very insecure
>>214513515killing retreating soldiers when a retreat isn't ordered wasn't some new thing they made up to accuse communists of
>>214507354Big E's problem is the bleakness of the universe he inhabits. He was literally running up against evil Gods who wish to inflict eternal misery on all living things. If Big E could've decisively beaten Chaos, the Imperium would've become a utopia. But the setting won't permit it.
>>214514081and there are little records of it which would mean it's overzealous officers doing that. doesn't matter much because like you said, they weren't first about it, but describing soviet army as completely retarded and forced is dumb. they went and got poland, and then they took berlin in the reoffensive. way better operation than current two week special operation lol.
>>214507154Left Contrarianism.>The Subtle Fascism of __>__ is deeper than you think>Is __ good, actually?>The Rise and Fall of __>I Watched Every __ Movie and Now I’m Insane
>>214508930Rewatching Starship Troopers recently, the thing that struck me the most is how wrong the>Doing a space racismpoint is. The UCF is shown to be a multicultural, multi-ethnic organization. It's also a very feminist organization, women are shown to be some of the best tools in its war apparatus, like the Denise Richards character.I think ultimately the issue is just how retarded the left is and how "anti-fascism" just conflates a bunch of things that are not inherently related, like race/gender and war/might-makes-right. If anything Starship Troopers shows that you can have "fascism"(a retarded word, but which I'll use here to mean a competitive, might makes right, war-driven society) that is inclusive, diverse, equitable, and essentially, from a sociocultural perspective, leftist.tl;dr media literacy people are wrong about everything and use that word in the same way they use fascist, to mean "things I don't like"
>>214508231>>214513228More than anything I think Verhoeven's films, especially Robocop and Starship Troopers, is just making fun of Americans. He's a European making American films while thinking Americans films are bad and America is shit, so he just tries to make a parody of it. That's why Starship Troopers has this multicultural warrior society I described here>>214515911That's just America.
