Aside from the fact the kid definitely killed his father, is it a good movie?
did you see the kid killing his father?
>The murder weapon?>Did it look exactly like... THIS?>I mean, do really know the boy was the true killer?>It could have been anyone>Perhaps even a well-dressed middle-aged white man>One who simply enjoys walking down to bad neighborhoods and killing those dirty spic immigrants for sport
>>214515601Clearly he gets off to the idea of framing innocent black men for murder and then power tripping as a juror to convince others to let them go.
>Heh, I have depicted myself as the rational unemotional skeptic and you as the unhinged wreck with family issues, checkmate.No.
>>214515485it's a very "obsolete" movieyou have to watch it while forgetting basically the whole cinema history
>>214515485the literally proved the kid was innocent. Did any of you even actually watch the movie?
>>214515485i was the 13th angry man after i got through with that movie
So their entire argument is that while the kid and his father were having an argument a random person ran in and stabbed his father just as the kid ran out?
Who buys tickets for a baseball game on the day of a trial they're on the jury for? If he ordered them well in advance why didn't he just try to get himself taken out of the jury pool during selection? It was the 50s they'd probably say "shit don't want you to miss the yankees off you go"
>>214516787The kid clearly did it but the argument here would be:>We dont have to prove an alternative, we just have to establish reasonable doubt about what is claimed to have happenedUnfortunately this movie was a propaganda film designed to conflate reasonable doubt with absolute doubt.Even with video tape and a confession there is still room for doubt, but beyond a reasonable doubt means a reasonable person presented with all the facts would conclude the defendant is guilty as the standard.
>>214515601>the knife at the crime scene, you mean this knife I found at a storeWhat follows from this incoherent argument? Is the boy innocent because it wasn't custom made with a makers mark consisting of his initials?
>>214517219I haven't watched this film in like 15 years but I remember a moment or moments where they say some shit like "He's just a boy, we'll be sending a child to jail for the rest of his life" or some shit, which is a flimsy emotional argument
>>214515485the kid's guilt isn't the point of the movie
>>214515485it's a good movie the first time you watch it. After that you begin to see the manifold flaws, the silly oh-so-convenient 'evidence', the overt propaganda. That's how it was for me, in any case. A lawyer reacting to it on yt basically said the film relies far too heavily on inferences rather than actual evidence.
Was "the kid" a Puerto Rican and this movie a vehicle for proto-dindu?
If it wasn't good do you think it would be being discussed on a Yemeni handbag forum, 70 years after it was made?
>>214518758The actor is Italian but the character is just supposed to be vaguely ethnic. Puerto rican, italian, mexican, jewish, whatever you want. It doesn't really matter. He's a marginalized minority.
>>214517250they make the argument that it is a unique rare knife when it's just a knife bought from the local 7-11
>>214515485it's an entertaining moviei also like the friedkin made for tv remake for the cast, won't change your opinion on whether or not it's a good movie since he barely changes a damn thing, but it's kind of overlooked
>>214519074There's a Russian version where the boy is a Chechen. I think they did it to try to win their hearts after the Chechen civil wars finally ended in Russia's favour.
>>214515485Absolutely, you forget that it's a black and white movie from the damn 50s. Great use of the one room, framing, editing, overall filmmaking.
>>214519074>The racist af juror is a black Muslim That was a nice touch
>>214519306>movieMade for TV just like the remake.
>>214516265Not really, you just have to assume he's right
It's a very instructive movie on how to manipulate other people
>>214515485Extremely well-paced with a tight script. It's quite compelling. As others have pointed out the film is a bit contrived but the execution is what sells it
>>214516787Yes and he used the same knife model that the kid bought few days earlier, knife that he lost
>>214515485>is it a good movie?Yes, the movie was meant to showcase pure acting performances from a cast of experienced actors in a limited space of a room. Its very entertaining but its not a civics lesson.
>>214519505Is it for sure established the kid owned that knife? The store owner said the kid bought one, but he also said the knife is quite rare, which we know is not true. So he's unreliable
>>214515601I never got the sneering intonation he uses when he says "It cost $6". That's like $70. Money doesn't exactly grow on trees when you're 18.
