What are some lost film technologies?
>>214521139Basically all practical effects. Tom Savini dying will be like the last dude in a tribe dying and taking his language with him
>>214521139Shining a blue light and calling it night is a "lost technology"?
>>214521139Pretty sure there are many, many old books about film technique. Dumb niggas just need to read.
>>214521205yes
>>214521139They're called "lights"
>>214521139The telemetry figures and blueprints for rockets to go back to the moon.
What are some other examples of technologies lost over time?
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>>214521352Tungsten Street Lights
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>>214521535>>214521556>TungstenIncorrect. Those are clearly sodium-vapor lamps, which were the most popular type of street light before the introduction of LEDs.Tungsten street lights were mainly used in the early decades of the 1900s.
>>214521139Cinematography, film selection, set design, actor selection, storytelling, decency, charisma, scriptwriting, audio mixing, soundtrack creation, coloring, title selection, marketing, fostering anticipation, concept/creative brainstorming, storyboarding, honesty, acting, lighting, and costume design.
They really expect us to believe boomers could just fly from New York to London in two hours lol
>>214521690fpbp
>>214522169retard
>>214521139Why is film still so expensive to shoot with? It's 2025, you'd think the someone would've figured out a cheaper way to make a ton of it.
>>214521139incoming r/okbuddycinephile post making fun of gaudy blue light filter to mimic darkness
>>214523484I wouldn't be surprised if it's even more expensive now than in the past because it's more of a specialty item these days.
>>214521205You’d be surprised. Movies nowadays are filmed in the most barebones way possible. Producers don’t want to commit to anything too specific in case focus groups don’t like it and they have to reshoot the whole scene. Departments like makeup, wardrobe, sound, and lighting can’t put much effort into their work, even if they have the technical knowledge to do so, since everything is so rushed. It’s just expected that a lot of the heavy lifting will get done in postproduction.
>>214521804what ever happened to this lass?
>>214521139Not realistic thoughAudiences want realism
>>214525661>>214521804Concorde was discontinued because the wings were too expensive to manufacture and perform maintenance on.They're trying to bring them back by making retarded hybrid wings.
>>214521139>>214525280>>214521180isn't this the job of the color script artist or whatever?do they not hire this person for movies?
>>214521139"Blue night" is so underrated. James Cameron did it a lot.
>>214526732>do they not hire this person for movies?ranjeet and his 74 cousins are hired to "fix it in post" with some dogshit AI now silly anon
>>214526783they used to hire white guys for this
>>214525661the number of people that cared about transatlantic flights at that speed was not large enough to offset the operating costs
>>214525280>focus groupsDo these actually exist? Has anyone ever been in one? It's like phone polling, no one has ever called me once to ask who I'm voting for.
>>214525661Vaxx
>>214524571such a stupid thing to defend. no, blue light filters don't look like actual darkness, but that's a good thing. actual darkness is shit for a movie since you can't see anything. I don't care how realistic a movie is if I can't see the fucking scenes. don't people understand suspension of disbelief anymore?rule 0 of making a movie is that viewers need to see the shit you're filming unless the explicit goal is to hide the subject for a very good reason, like in horror movies. even there, you're hiding some specific part of a shot not making the entire thing an inscrutable black screen
OP example is retarded but I unironically hated guardians 3 because of the retarded fake looking lighting
>>214522186clearly he meant "FIFTEENTH post best post"I guess we should add Counting to the list of lost film technologies.
>>214525280Looks like a gay nightclub
>>214526569It was discontinued because it was too cramped and couldn't carry enough passengers to make a profit. The cabin space is as small as a regional propliner.
>>214521139TechnicolorThe equipment is no longer produced. It's practically impossible to make nowadays. Some films try to approximate it by choosing certain color palettes but it's only an imitation.
>>214525280Speaking of Batman I feel like The Batman has been the only major blockbuster from this decade that truly put effort and committed to a strong visual design. Every other blockbuster feels bland and sterile. Even big shit dune feels like gray digital slop.
>>214521205Yes. Lighting in general has become lost technology because nobody knows how to do it anymore. All they understand is lighting a scene like shit and when anyone complains claiming that the movie is a showcase of naturalistic light before quickly moving on. A highlight is never allowed to be blown, nor a shadow crushed. God forbid you set your midpoint exposure to a highlight or shadow for artistic effect. Everything has to be flat and as shadowless as possible and the result is everything look like uninspired amateurish shit. >>214526923This. There no artistic direction to lighting anymore. Everything has to be visible at all times and nothing is allowed to be lit or shadowed deliberately for effect or to draw the viewers eye to a specific portion of the frame. You can go back to run of the mill 6/10 broadcast dramas from the 90s that most people have long since forgotten and see more creative and aesthetically pleasing lighting setups than you find in most bigtime blockbusters these days. The loss of institutional knowledge over the last few decades has crippled the industry.
>>214521139>night time>everything is blueyou are not a DP, stop pretending that you are. if you can get away with not having light instead of having to lug massive lights everywhere or messing around with exposure then do it.
>>214525280>Producers don’t want to commit to anything too specific in case focus groups don’t like it and they have to reshoot the whole scene. Departments like makeup, wardrobe, sound, and lighting can’t put much effort into their work, even if they have the technical knowledge to do so, since everything is so rushed.the actual reason is that CGI isn't unionised so producers and directors default to using that as much as possible and use the lowest bidding vendor for everything.
>>214526569>>214527104This, also after one of them had a fatal crash with like 100+ dead, British Airways/Air France finally put the lid on the entire project, which they had been planning on doing for years anyway. Before that event certain politicians always had insisted on continuing the project for reasons of prestige. Basically the crash was a boon for the operators.
>>214521139>people upset that this shit didn't win best cinematography
>>214521180>guys your slowly becoming
>>214521139anyone who complains about that shit is a retard who have been left behind. everything is made for hdr now. get a fucking hdr tv or shut the fuck up and get left behind.
>>214526837It's kinda like those surverys that say "40% of men say they haven't had sex before" when they asked less than 50 people all from the same school or forum and call that data
>>214527523Now layer some Snyder 'Bwaaaams' over the soundtrack to obscure the dialog and it will be perfect.
>>214521352Anon, nazis did not literally burn 6 million bodies. Most holocaust victims were simply dumped in mass graves.
>>214523484Less places make it, so it's a bespoke item. Pretty sure Kodak is the only company that still bothers making cinema-grade film.
>>214527708May I see those mass graves?
>>214521139I love matte painting scenes. If I was given money to direct a film, I'd do I've that was entirely on set. Like Cabinet of Caligari, but with matte painting scenes.House 1977 is the closest to this style I've seen.
>>214527782Yes, actually. They are very well documented.
>>214521139>but where does the light come from?>probably the same place as the music
>>214527985>Yes, actually. They are very well documented.
>>214527358>Everything has to be visible at all timesI'd say the opposite is the case. Can't see shit in most movies.
>>214528049the Einsatzgruppen ReportsTreblinka, Belzec, and SobiborPonary, and Babyn YarAktion 1005
>>214529098May we see them
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>>214521238>@grok summarise this book for me in a single sentence
>>214529243>>214529331you can go see them retards
>>214521139wait do modern directors think everything is dark at night?i've got the lights off and can see everything in my house.
>>214529243>>214529331also why did you ignore the Einsatzgruppen Reports
>>214527069tpbp
>>214527782No, they are all covered up and illegal to disturb even for high field researchers. There's never been a high-level breakdown of the sights for public viewing>>214527985He said may """""i"""" see them. he cannot.
>>214521535>>214521556 Mercury and Sodium are what you have seen in color movies. Unless you get a really early one. And even then it probably wouldnt be at night as they provide so little light. The crew would have had to bring out tons of their own lamps. You needed digital to film without flood lamps basically. Something like Collateral is only possible on digital.
>>214521139Audio mixing
>>214525280wow that's... umm...
>>214521139God damn, every time I see a still from that movie, I hear that creepy cult piano music. I never noticed the backwards Orthodox liturgy but once you hear it you can never not notice on rewatch.
>>214521352Greek Fire.
>>214521139Good writers
>>214521139Twitter screenshots should be a bannable offense
>>214526732>>214525280>>214521207>>214521155>>214521139>Orange and blue
>>214521535>>214521556my eyes hurt just looking at these pictures
>>214521238"Niggas" you're an obnoxious nigger that probably has white skin
The green light in those Wenders/Müller movies
>>214530926those are normal uncorrected (no filter) neon tubes they are still around
>>214521139One of the coolest things I know about is the beginning of wizard of oz, when it goes black and white to colored it was a practical effect. I think they painted the back of her dress grey or something
>>214527358>Yes. Lighting in general has become lost technology because nobody knows how to do it anymore.This. Directors of photography used to be old guys who had spent their entire life mastering how to properly light a scene, and not only that but before you had digital where you can essentially see pretty much what the sensor is picking up. With film they had to know by heart what it would look like depending on the type of film they used, the chemical process that would be used the develop it, etc.Now every professional is so lazy and they all just rely on the technology to make it look professional.
>>214530780yeah you zoomie idiot, before they started putting those gay energy-saving bulbs in streetlamps, the night was blue and orange. If you were standing under streetlamps, everything was tinted
why did we stop doing this?
>>214532683Because it takes skill and knowledge. Neither of those traits exist in filmmakers today.
>>214521139>What are some lost film technologies?writing and casting
>>214521139>anything after 2008 or so>subs mandatoryAudio mixing is dead.
>>214533080Thank Christopher Nolan for that.
>>214526732>>214526793Oh yeah i used to watch video of a guy with this exact jobIt required that you are very skilled with composition and coloring
>>214521139The compositing used by disney in Mary Poppins and other classics used a special prism that allowed the images to blend in a way regular processes can't do. The physical tech was very nearly one-off and they literally lost it. I got recced a video where some guys finally managed to recreate it digitally.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQuIVsNzqDk
Man, there used to be this visionary innovator named "Kubrick" who figured out how to film an entire scene with pure candlelight. I bet he's doing all sorts of innovative things and hasn't gotten lazy these days.
>>214526732Do people storyboard their movies anymore? Hell, is pre-production still a thing even?
>>214534190Are there movies even being made anymore?
>>214521205Have you not seen any media in the last decade?
>>214521139>being able to see things at night is a lost technologyYou're so fucking stupid it hurts
>>214527523>it looks bad because it didn't look exactly like a Kubrick film from 15 years agoPeople like you shouldn't be allowed to comment on art
>>214534330No. They just type in a rough description into a prompt and it's spit out
>>214532683We didn't? You just don't watch anything other than capeshit and then wonder why it all looks like garbage
>>214527677>SnyderYou mean Nolan? God you retards can't even insult directors correctly
>"you peoples is so dum they knows how to shoot scenes at nite!">every night scene for the last decade
>>214521139Sodium vapor processhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQuIVsNzqDk
>>214521139>>214521155>>214521180GO TO FILM SCHOOL KUBRICK, YOU FUCKING POSER!
>>214534464>the super maligned and infamously hated night shot from s8 of GoT represents all night scenes from the last decaderetard moment
>>214521804It wasn't two hours, that was the problem; it was three. Basically it was a little too long to be viable for a morning meeting factoring in the time zone diff. Because you were still limited to afternoon meetings it was more economical to just take a regular flight the previous day and pay for one extra night in a hotel.
>>214530792little babby
>>214526837How often do you pick up the phone for unknown numbers? I've been phone polled a few times,but that's because I always pick up the phone.
Director power are pretty neutered by execs these days to cut the cost and the cheapening of CGI render farm by jeets slowly removing practical effects, afaik only Tim Burton i know so far that still insist using practical effects and oversized props while most moved to CG. While CG do gets better the cheapening will never blend seamlessly with the whole scene unlike real stuff
>>214521690Truke.
Was watching one from '08 called Agent Crush this weekend that's in the style of Gerry Anderson and was wondering, is there anybody besides the japanese who can even still do model-mation? Do the japanese even still use it? I look at the way they did things and I can see a lot of room for innovation.
>>214529403Let me guess, those reports are just as valid as "Night" by Wiesel?
>>214533998Eggers brought it back in Nosferatu a little bit
>>214534399Its ugly
>>214527523yes
>>214521139>what is an aperture
>>214537391tell it to current filmmakers
>>214521205unironically, yes
>>214536493and he did it awfully based on that image
>>214527782>>214528049>>214529243Dresden didn't happen either~
>>214537657Bing images is weak, what can I say. Nosferatu looks great in every shot, I've seen it at the cinema and at home.
>>214537901Also that's a Romanian inn, way out in the mountains, it's not comparable to a palace like in the Kubric shot above.
>>214537831neither did the trail of tears, Sherman's March to the sea or the holodomor
