I really enjoyed The Original Series and I've even rewatched it a few times but the thing is as soon as I try to watch The Next Generation I lose all interest.Is there something wrong with me or is everything else just bad?
>>214522881Literal boomer opinion. My Dad's in his 60s and says the same thing.Then again my favorite is DS9, I don't have any room to talk.
>>214522881Everything after the original series is dogshit.
>>214522881>TOS a western in space >TNG80s syndicated action in space>DS9soap opera in spaceI could go on but I trust my point is clear. The "in space" being removed, you're clearly looking at different genres per show. Maybe you just like westerns. You might like Farscape.
>>214522881Too campy. The movies are all good though, even 3 and 5, which aren't very good but are masterpieces compared to today's gay filth/slop.
>>214522881Depnds, if you say the Twilight Zone and Rawhide are you're runner ups, then you're just and old fart boomer.If not, then it might be the contrast of not being able to seperate them both, sorta like how people a long time ago wanted to drop off Dr. Who whenever a new Doctor is introduced, then fall in love with them and experience the same experience again next regen
>>214523090the Twilight Zone was kino though
yes it becomes soulless nerdy dogshit after TOSsome things are cool, like the holodeck, but not really worth watching so much crap
>>214523139Yes but he has a point.
>>214522881If you are starting to watch TNG in season 1 you shouldn't. Start watching in season 3 if you want kino.
Try watching strange new worlds
>>214523235No chance shill, no chance at all.
>>214522881TNG is the PC proto-woke era.
>>214523013No, you just have to look harder to find it. Beverly Crusher fucking a ghost. In the Pale Moonlight. Janeway murdering Tuvix. T'Pol in pon farr.
Why did Enterprise only get 4 seasons?
>>214523510Enterprise was less popular than Voyager, which was less popular than DS9, which was less popular than TNG. The franchise had bled too many viewers to stay profitable within the network's expectations.
>>214523017>>TOS >a western in spacethat's actually a really good way to put it.After watching a boring ass John Wayne movie, I thought to myself 'this is like TOS if it was longer and more drawn out.'
>>214523625Gene Roddenberry literally pitched it as Wagon Train to the stars.
>>214523849Roddenberry had little to do with why Star Trek was a success. He wanted some boring liberal utopia where people evolved passed conflict. Sounds great but boring as fuck. Network wanted a full on space western after seeing the pilot. So there was a compromise between the two. Roddenberry had full control over the Motion Picture and what a shocker, so boring it almost killed Star Trek. So Roddenberry was stripped of creative control and Myers came in and gave us Wrath of Khan. Roddenberry was full on dick to Myers
>>214524010Wrath of Khan was shit.
>>214524010Nobody said he did spaz. Most Roddenberry episodes sucked, with The Menagerie being the notable exception.
TOS sucks, and it's for actual boomers. Which says everything you need to know about it.
>>214524230im not even old but it's way better than tng
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>>214524230TNG is for I fucking love science redditorsTOS actually has soul
>>214524501This. My old man was a huge sci fi nut that grew up on the original. Anything sci fi he loved. And he likes TNG but thought it was too politically correct and thought PIcard was a loser compared to Captain Kirk
I like TOS and TNG. I like the campy space-western of TOS, and I like the philosophical pondering of TNG. I think the issue is expecting the same things from both shows. DS9 is ok, but I don't like anything else.
>>214524010>so boring it almost killed Star Trekand yet it's the highest grossing of the tos films kekonly st4 came close to topping it, none of the others even broke $100 million
>>214522881Start with the third season of TNG.
>>214523199>skipping season 2you should have your drivers license taken away
>>214524010past, zoomer. past.
>>214524739>skipping season 1you should have your racism license taken away
>>214523013spbp. TOS is fun to watch, TNG is a fucking bore, and when the problems started.
>>214524948you>offended by the portrayal of spaceniggersme>offended by a woman being head of securitywe are not the same
>>214522881TNG is both softer and more dull than TOSNotice the TOS bridge. Kirk can see every station and reach them himself, which he does on occasion. Meanwhile Picard can't even see the security station. You subconsciously notice this lack of attention to detail.The characters in TOS have more personality, and can disagree without creating conflict.
>>214524230>didn't learn the folly of racism from a crudely painted Frank Gorshinngmi
>>214524979Turnabout Intruder established that women can't be captains. That's good enough for me. Meanwhile female bodyguards were good enough for Gaddafi.
>>214522881You like action. There is nothing wrong with that.TNG can have drama, but there's not a lot of action.
>>214525070Have you even watched TOS? It's mainly talking. There isn't that much action.
>>214525061would
>>214524993THIS.
>>214525028>Didn't learn that being black on the left side are space jews that destroy civilizations.were we even watching the same show?
I felt the same way when I was first going through the series. TOS has a comfy "family" type of feel to it with Kirk, Bones, and Spock which is lost when going to TNG. TNG is more formal plus theres a stupid fucking kid, but you would do yourself a disservice by not watching TNG, you just have to know that it starts off rough but its not worth skipping through seasons, just power through them.Eventually once you get to DS9 though, youll get that family feel again, though its more dysfunctional, but thats what makes it good. It's not the same as TOS, but it isnt bad because of that.
>>214525098Every other episode included some kind of literal fight scene--like fist-fighting fighting. Not three squirts of a mix-master phaser and then someone give up.
>>214525028the filter on this gives it that gloss AI look
>>214525155Yes, a scene. It's not the focus of the episode.
>>214525149That's a good point. In TNG they're coworkers who don't really seem to reveal their inner selves to each other. There's no equivalent of O'Brien and Bashir, not even O'Brien himself on TNG
>>214525149i just looked up ds9 and it's literally this memeyou really want me to suffer dont you?
>>214524993Another sci-fi difference. In TOS the warp travel streaks are explicitly identified as interstellar dust, visible under high blueshift, and the deflector dish is for safely identifying and deflecting these. It makes sense.In TNG they appear to be stars, which makes no sense. When they drop out of warp the streaks settle into the star field. But this is impossible, they're not travelling so fast that stars would go zipping by in seconds like that.
>>214525301Youd have to be a retard to think that Sisko isnt on the same level as Kirk and Picard.
Sisko doesn't entertain bullshit the way Kirk and Picard do. He has a dead wife you think he gives a fuck?
>>214525347maybe it's an optical effect brought on by their mass increasing, gravitational lense effect.
>>214525440You can headcanon it that way, but in TOS the designers thought carefully about the realities of the situation. In TNG they just tossed in some effects that looked cool.
>>214523346TNG is space communism that promotes all cultures being free to become white.
>>214525436Oh I'm sorry what bullshit does Kirk entertain? You mean every time he blows up a computer to release sentient people from its control? Fuck first and ask questions later of every woman in the galaxy? What bullshit does he entertain?
>>214525519>Fuck first and ask questions later of every woman in the galaxy?oh look it's another fag who never actually watched Star Trek. so tiresome.
>>214525519>Fuck first and ask questions later of every woman in the galaxy?This never takes place even once in TOS
>>214522881I watched some TNG today but my favorite part of trek is the Spock and Bones banter. The TOS characters have better chemistry even though the TNG characters might be better individually.
>>214524206Roddenberry's idea was worse>what if spock went back in time and shot JFK?
>>214525616>>214525565Ok not literally but figuratively.
>>214525565>>214525616Ooh look how triggered you are. So you don't have an answer as to what "bullshit" Kirk tolerated.
>>214525663>picks fight with immortal being that they need to create a macguffin medicine for some robot pussy.
>>214525663>Facing court-martial for the death of an officer, all he can think about is dipping his pen in some lawyer pussy
>>214525663>In the greatest episode of TOS, Kirk faces the existential crisis of pounding pussy or restoring history.
Kirk won
Watch Star Trek Continues, a surprisingly well-done fan sequel to TOS. It blows nu-trek out of the water. They reuse actual TOS sets and props, which adds a level of authenticity. The whole season is on YouTube.ep1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G-ziTBAkbQThey planned to make more than one season, but the creator got MeToo'd (all allegations were eventually dropped).
best character in the franchise coming through
>>214525963pleb choice. best character in all of Star Trek is Nog
>>214525873>Kirk faces the existential crisis of pounding pussy or restoring history
>>214525963No fan service no ratings
>>214524724Other factors were involved, for instance, by the time it came out trek fans had been trekless for 10 years, so most of the draw was the desire to see their old friends again.
>>214526090They had to wait until the late 70s to make TMP or they could never have dressed Bones like this.
>>214525436Poor captain by ST standards. Never outclasses the competition.
>>214524614Picard is probably the weakest captain, in that he never really had the same level of moral issues that Archer, Sisko, or even Kirk had thrown at them.
>>214525436>Q fucks with Picard all the time>tried fucking with Sisko once, got punched in the jaw, leaves and never comes back
>>214526067>T'PolSorry, for me it was always Hoshi.
I would've liked to have seen more of Andrea dromm but I guess she quit hollywood almost immediately because she hated it there. She only has 2 other movies aside from the one star trek appearance.
>>214522881I love both shows, but while there are plenty of TOS episodes you could easily tweak into TNG episodes and vice versa, the shows overall are surprisingly different.TOS is a little more freewheeling and adventurous even when it's being thoughtful; >>214523017 is right. TNG has episodes that are like that, but on the whole it's more interested in cultural and character dynamics, which is how it managed to juggle such a large cast while developing them (other than Crusher, who manages to suck ass the whole way through). Sulu and Chekov are more iconic by proximity than by the material. They don't have entire character journeys or even dedicated episodes the way Worf or Data do. TOS is really the Kirk/Spock/McCoy show.I think another big difference is that by the time TNG was produced Star Trek as a brand had become so large that it was actually self-conscious in a way that TOS never was, for both good and for bad.
>>214524010>Roddenberry had full control over the Motion Picture and what a shocker, so boring it almost killed Star Trek.I love TMP, and I say that with TOS being my favorite Star Trek series. TMP is my favorite Star Trek movie without question.
>>214526161>Spock, you pointy-eared square, what you call irrational is what I call the groove that keeps humanity boogieing.
>>214525519>Oh I'm sorry what bullshit does Kirk entertain?Trelane, the Gorn, Landrew, Spock's PonFar, Klingons, Tribbles, Blaalok, Roger Corby, the Companion, the M5 computer, Nomad, the Gamesters of Triskelion, the Planet Killer, George Takei's off-screen sexual advances... Just to name a few.
>>214522969DS9 is fantastic. And If OP doesnt like TNG he is probably struggling with first season.
>>214522881Everything that came after TOS just exists to repeat it. You may hate the kelvinverse trilogy but that was the true and modern successor.
Greatest Starfleet captain ever coming through
>>214527363he literally genocides all of those
>>214527394wrong
>>214527500He was never a Starfleet captain
>>214522881You should watch Strange New World. Literal TOS boomers love this.
The world itself got way more boring between the 60s and the 80s, TNG just accurately reflects a professional work environment of its time.
>>214527531He was a Federation Captain
>>214527547Naw. It’s what Roddenberry wanted. His whole hippy liberal utopia where people are so evolved they all for along
>>214527554He was a flunky merchant marine. Garth was a decorated Captain that invented abs executed military strategies Kirk studied. And killed a shit ton of Klingons. Ok, so he wanted to genocide an entire planet, mistakes happen
>>214522881The first season of TNG is abysmal and the second season of TNG is partly abysmal.This is why I was still somewhat sympathetic towards the absolute train wreck that was Discovery, since traditionally most trek shows are shit in the first season.Which sympathy they did threw away, since it stayed shit in the following ones.Strange New Worlds is an outliar in that the first season is the best thing they did since Enterprise, but then the second and third were not really good.Only TOS is good on a consistent basis from the first to last season, which is why people tend to prefer it overall over TNG, since TNG has one very bad and one partly bad season and despite Season 3 to 7 being top tier quality wise, even there you have absolute dogshit like "Sub Rosa" from Season 7 thrown in (which even was a Jonathan Frakes episode, who is usually one of the best series directors).
>>214523199this
>>214527636> The first season of TNG is abysmal and the second season of TNG is partly abysmal.It only got better after Roddenberry died.
>>214524010TMP is the only Star Trek movie that stood the test of time and is still rewatchable, it is also the only Star Trek movie period, since Star Trek in movie form can only be something like 2001 to stay true to the overall philosophy of the franchise.Meanwhile all the TOS films after aged like crap and you basically watch senior citizens try to relive their youth and the TNG movies have nothing to do with regarding the show (except for Nemesis, surprisingly, which stays more true to the show, but is also fucking boring and really badly written).
>>214524230TRUTH NUKELITERAL BOOMERS ITT DENY THAT TNG MOGS TOS LMAO POP YOUR PREVAGEN AND WATCH IT AGAIN OLD TIMERS IT FUCKING SUCKS
>>214525155The greatest episode of all 3 seasons is one with nothing but dialogue, the one where the theater actor on the ship was actually a violent mass murdering dictator.
>>214527824Oh fuck off. Star Trek 6 is the best Trek movie made
>>2145278242-4 form a coherent trilogy addressing the aging of the crew5 is the only one that tries to be business as usual, and is the closest to a regular TOS episode
>>214527931I love Christopher Plummer in it and you are right, that is probably at least the second best Trek movie and it's the only one where it doesn't feel like senior citizens on a holiday trip, they are their appropriate ages and positions, it's not Sulu in his 60s still being a bridge officer.So you are correct in hindsight, it's between TMP and Undiscovered Country.
>>2145280322-4 I didn't liked when I rewatched them, also 4 started the bullshit trend of "In the future there is no money" while they explicitly mention salaries in the show.
Final Frontier is not that bad
>>214522881Finally someone shares my sentiment!TOS is amazing, it has the right balance of hard sci-fi, action and adventure and quippy humorNext Generation went wayyy too hard on the sci-fi angle and everyone in it acts like a robot (I'm surprised no one ever talks about how dull all the characters are). It's so funny to me how they constantly try to pass off Data as this weird emotionless robot when the people aroind him are arguably more bland and robot-like.Bottom line, can't top TOS for me
>>214529234this
>>214527532Fuck that garbage
>>214527532based
Kek this thread is just the nutrek spammer
>>214529508ToS mogs you
>>214529234I feel that next gen wasn't real sci fi. It's just vague nonsense about non-existent particles or energies. TOS was closer to hard sci-fi
>>214529550TOS had you finding new aliens and fucking them but TNG was just a bunch of gay niggas talking about how smart they are
>>214529575Rlm called it "competency porn"
Nutrek is garbage and nobody watches it.Fuck strange nutrek, STD, SPIC, and trek and morty.
>>214522881You're a man of taste. Pulp is always better than "high concept".
>>214522881Same. They keep saying it gets better but I can't sit through seasons of garbage, I'm still stuck in season 1 of TNG and it's just super boring and generic
>>214531449It gets exciting in Season 2 and actually good in Season 3Only reason the show didn't immidiately got cancelled after the first abysmal season was because of the brand name and that it was basically out of competition in the late 80s, there wasn't anything like TNG that aired, so they had success.
>>214527729Roddenberry died in season 5.
>>214531671WrongRoddenberry died October 1991So 4 months before the season 2 episode "The Measure of a Man" aired (basically the first actual good TNG episode).
>>214531789>"The Measure of a Man" is the ninth episode of the second season of the American science-fiction television series Star Trek: The Next Generation, the 35th episode overall. It was originally released on February 13, 1989,[1]>"Hero Worship" is the 111th episode of the syndicated American science fiction television series Star Trek: The Next Generation. This is the 11th episode of the fifth season, directed by series castmember Patrick Stewart (Captain Jean-Luc Picard). Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry – by this time no longer involved in production – died during the filming of this episode.[1]
>>214531823Wasn't he out of the picture earlier than that?
>>214531823Kek, I didn't realize they pre produced it years ahead, Season 5 came out in 1994 and Roddenberry was already 3 years dead by this point.So I get it that they filmed the season several years before they even aired?
>>214531890Oh wait, my bad, I went according to the GERMAN air time, season 2 was already in 1989You are correct, I am wrong.
>Captain, we are approaching kepler 2d18b. Spectrograph scans indicate presense of dimethyl sulfide.>If I remember correctly, Mr Data, that molecule is only produced by living organisms? Initiate subspace scan.>Already done, Captain. Long range scans reveal the planet is inhabited by humanoids.>Civilization status?>Advanced, circa 21st century Earth.>Any outstanding features?>Captain, they appear to be.. all females. >First Officer redirect course to the Kepler 2d18b immediately.>Yes, sir.>Data, you say, all females?>Yes sir, all about 6 to 7 feet tall, with quite shapely assesnand tits, hough there are two kinds. One kind has giant clitorises, about 4-5 inches erect. Pseudo-penises. The other does not.>First officer *sweats* E-ETA?>1 hour, Captain. Would you like me to arrange a boarding party?>N-no.. I'm going in alone. Captain's perogative. >Captain, I would not recommend this action. It is in brea->DAMN THE PROTOCOL, DATA
>>214522881TNG is Trek for creepy guys who post their disturbing sexual fantasies here. Tyler Robinson? Big TNG fan. Huge.
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