*I'm Not in Love starts playing*>So it's hopeless?>Of course it is. It always was. From the start. You'll never be a girl's erotic dream. Get used to it. It's not for you. Anyhow, it's too late. All your sexual failures since adolescence, the frustration dogging you since puberty, have scarred you forever. Even if you could find a woman, which I frankly doubt, it wouldn't work. It'll never work. You're orphaned by the teenage loves you never had. It's already hurt you. It'll keep getting worse. An agonizing bitterness will fill your heart. There's no redemption, no release. That's how it is.
>>214541232hell yeah dude, houellebecq is the goat
>>214541232I don't get it. Like just find something else to do with your time? Why choose to be a bitter incel?>wahhhhhh I didn't get my dick wet when I was 14 my life is literally overyou faggots realize that you literally sound like whiny little tween girls when you talk like this, right? oh boo hoo your life isn't a fairytale. do you expect sympathy or something? fuck off with this faggy horseshit some of us have real problems in life.
>>214541308its a movie/book exploring that theme. of course there's more to life
>>214541232Not the worst bait but that sort of entitlement based self-loathing is more of a millennial thing. Gen Z incels are more cognizant of the pathetic parody that is their existence.
>>214541308I agree that torturing yourself over this stuff is pointless. I just find it funny how modern discourse is all about addressing "trauma" but when it comes to men and the trauma inflicted upon them by women everybody suddenly gets weirdly aggressive about it and calls you an incel or a terrorist or something, they really don't want people to discuss it.
>>214541232Getting laid is the easiest thing in the world. Dude in the pic could easily fly to Thailand and get himself some third world mail order bride
>>214541308>Like just find something else to do with your time?Yeah like browsing a board bitching about capeshit like you
>>214541646Being a genetic failure that women don't like isn't inflicted by women. It's your fault.
>>214541232What movie/book?
>>214541752Nevermind, Yandex works
>>214541751stop trying so hard to bait it's not 2012 anymore nobody falls for this stuff
>>214541308Yes, early sexual experience, even without benis in bagina, is a core part of the human experience, and greatly stunts your development if passed on.>>214541646That's how feminazis and their bitch boy helot simps operate.Having ANY empathy for men launches them into an uncontrollable rage.
go back to /r9k/
>>214541646>but when it comes to men and the trauma inflicted upon them by women everybody suddenly gets weirdly aggressive about itbecause not getting your dick sucked isn't trauma and you are going to piss off people who have experienced actual trauma by acting like it is.
>>214541831>actual traumaLike getting pumped and dumped by chad out of your league for the gorillionth time?
>>214541816>early sexual experience, even without benis in bagina, is a core part of the human experience, and greatly stunts your development if passed on.This is complete bullshit not supported by any science or even vague psychological theorizing. Nobody who isn't a deluded incel believes this.
>>214541873>OH MY SCIENCE!!!Fuck off, normgroid.
>>214541850>"b-b-b-but what about [thing women do]?"and this is exactly why nobody takes you seriously, because you cannot actually make a case for yourself that doesn't boil down to "some random woman did a bad thing so I NEED to piss my life away bitching about it forever".
>>214541890>"NO! science ISN'T REAL! only my FEEFEES MATTER!!!"I'm becoming convinced incels are actually hysterical women trapped in male bodies, it would explain why so many of you end up trooning out.
>>214541831>because not getting your dick sucked isn't trauma and you are going to piss off people who have experienced actual trauma by acting like it is.It's all or nothing, either you admit "trauma" is bullshit and something people make up for sympathy or you acknowledge that it's a subjective experience and that yes, a person can feel deep emotional pain because they didn't have sex when they wanted it.Empathy is a two way deal.
>>214541931Tiktok is filled to the brim with femoids crying about "PTSD". Is their experience valid? Why?Why can't men experience trauma?Why is YOUR definition of trauma valid?>>214541962We're biologically hardwired to have sexual experience as our hormones are raging in our mid/late teens.Oh, is that science too inconvenient for you?
>>214542004>either you admit "trauma" is bullshit and something people make up for sympathy or you acknowledge that it's a subjective experiencethose are the same thing, dipshit.ACTUAL trauma is a near-death experience for yourself or someone close to you, or at least something close enough that your brain can't tell the difference.it is diagnosable and not a subjective definition you mong.>a person can feel deep emotional pain because they didn't have sex when they wanted it.a person can feel deep emotional pain over an emotional betrayal that involves someone not having sex with them, reducing it to only the sex part is dishonest horseshit.>>214542081>Tiktok is filled to the brim with femoids crying about "PTSD". Is their experience valid?probably not. the real question to ask are "who cares?" and "how does that excuse you being equally as much of an obnoxious faggot?">Why can't men experience trauma?and other things that nobody has said>Why is YOUR definition of trauma valid?because it's the textbook definition.>We're biologically hardwired to have sexual experienceyeah we're also biologically hardwired to hunt and slaughter mammoths but we seem to be doing just fine without those experiences.
>>214541831>all women are having sex>most of your male colleagues are having sex>you will never experience any of thisit is traumatic, actually
>>214541253houellebecq is mid, we're just in a cultural desert right now
>>214542228incels will type this shit out and then wonder why everyone else treats them like unhinged lunatics.
>>214541308An enormous amount of culture surrounds romance, relationships, and family. Being unable to land a woman cuts you off from all that completely. You're alienated from your own society. It's the same kind of acute agony a barren woman experiences.
>>214542216>ACTUAL traumaThere's no such thing, it's all subjective because it's a psychological phenomena, and yes those are still subjective even if they have diagnostic criteria.You just don't like incels and don't want to be empathetic towards them, which is fine but be honest about it rather than hiding behind your cowardly and inaccurate definition for what "trauma" is. Some of these men are cearly suffering from deep distress, enough to kill themselves or harm others.
>>214541646>inflicted upon them by women>blaming womenLMAO it doesn't get more embarrassing and pathetic than this. The worst part? You're not blaming women because they rejected you, because you never tried, you're blaming women because they never got down on their knees in front of you and begged you to fuck them. You WILL die alone and that's a good thing, you're worthless so your genes are better off dead and buried.
>>214542266I've read so many of the classic authors, I think Houellebecq is just a personal favourite of mine
>>214541308Hypergamy is real, but you think defending holes on a bulgarian miak forum will get you laid.
>>214542480Ticking all the boxes, sis.
>>214542480There is literally not a single part of your post that is accurate to who I am, you're making the usual 4chan mistake of projecting yourself onto random anons >>214542534It's not a woman, just a self-hating loser trying to bait
>>214542534>your entire life revolves around "trauma" for being too stupid to get laid>you're whining 24/7 about sex>"HOW DARE YOU BRING UP SEX????"
>>214542583Stop being hysterical you retard
>>214541646>and the trauma inflicted upon them by womenWhat trauma?
>>214542608The trauma that the guy in OP's webm feels
>>214542391>Being unable to land a woman cuts you off from all that completelyno it fucking doesn't, I talk to married friends about shit like that all the time, I give my sister basic dating advice, it's not hard. unironically these barriers are all in your mind. nobody in real life gives a shit.>It's the same kind of acute agony a barren woman experiences.most barren women are able to overcome that and find meaning in their lives, often by raising/teaching other children. so what the fuck is your excuse?>>214542446>it's all subjective because it's a psychological phenomenaif the phenomena is quantifiable then it's objective you tard.>those are still subjective even if they have diagnostic criteria.what can be subjective is whether an individual fits that criteria, the fact that it exists as diagnostic criteria makes it objective by definition.>You just don't like incels and don't want to be empathetic towards themI wonder why.>Some of these men are cearly suffering from deep distressand continuing to live in an echo chamber where you tell yourselves you're fucked from birth and there is no hope and this distress is going to last forever is clearly the best thing to fix that.you're no different from trannies insisting that your poison is what's going to cure you.
>>214541232Raphael keeps trying and maintains a positive attitude in spite of the protagonist, who is far more bitter about his failed relationships.
Imagine not being able to get pussy lol
>>214542639>if the phenomena is quantifiable then it's objective you tard.Then incels experience trauma because a quantifiable amount of them believe they doYou're arguing in circles. You remind me of this guy I knew who claimed depression is bullshit and then his brother committed suicide, he shut up after that.You don't have to acknowledge other people's pain, but that doesn't mean they don't feel it. You're doing the usual retard anon routine because your ego is unable to understand people you dislike.
>>214542623That's not trauma. That's just some bitter old fuck ranting like a retard about shit he has no clue about.
>>214542797>You don't have to acknowledge other people's pain, but that doesn't mean they don't feel it.You can feel all the "pain" you want, the problem is when you blame other people for causing it. Like this retard >>214541646
>>214542837>the problem is when you blame other people for causing it.No, it's not a problem and irrelevant to the discussion of whether incels have experienced trauma. You're trying to shift the subject because you know you've wrong and can't argue otherwise.
>>214541308There is no point in giving a fuck about life or future if you will never have kids of your own. Without progeny, everything you do is fucking meaningless distraction and a waste of time. The only actual, legitimate purpose we can observe in life is it's own propagation, and if you fail at that, you might as well just waste away and do whatever hedonistic bs you wish because nothing in your life really matters at that point.Every single one of your ancestors managed to reproduce, failing at it is the greatest failure you can have in life.
>>214542889Incels are just very weak, practically feminine, men. That's the real problem. And sure, it's not their fault, probably bad genes, runs in the family, deadbeat dad, etc. When stronger men have traumatic experiences (actual ones, not going through high school without kissing), they don't let it define their lives. Learn, adapt and move on. Don't be a weak bitch, nigger. Don't be weak.
>hookers don't let you kiss
>>214542989Now you're just making some boring appeal to masculinity, even though I can guarantee you don't live up to your own standards and are weasely little rodent bitch irl4chan anons are so boring to debate with these days, none of you have anything interesting to say and copy the same bullshit you heard from some grifter rather than learning to think critically
>>214543366You're weak. Just be strong, bro.
>>214543426Take your own advice bro, don't rant about incels on 4chan if you wanna look manly
>>214543366What is there to debate?>Girls are attracted to attractive guys, and they shouldn't be because this is traumatic for non attractive guysThat's your entire argument
>>214542797>Then incels experience trauma because a quantifiable amount of them believe they dono, because they don't fit the diagnostic criteria and all the wishful thinking in the world doesn't change that.fuck off with this "social construct" leftoid horseshit. words have definitions, clinical terms particularly have rigid definitions.>ou remind me of this guy I knew who claimed depression is bullshitdepression is real, still doesn't mean everyone who says they're depressed actually is.>but that doesn't mean they don't feel itwe're not talking about pain, we're talking about an unhealthy fixation on a painful event which has most likely caused a far more negative interpretation than whatever actually happened.>>214542949>The only actual, legitimate purpose we can observe in life is it's own propagationby that logic some nigger who knocks up a dozen women, abandons them, then ODs on fent was a more valuable human being than Issac Newton. live by that standard if you want but you won't ever convince anyone who's white and sane that it holds any value.
>>214543564Value ≠ Purpose
>>214543564>by that logic some nigger who knocks up a dozen women, abandons them, then ODs on fent was a more valuable human being than Issac Newton.Such a nignog left progeny that continues his bloodline, whereas Newton died childless. In the grand scheme of life, the former is far more successful than the later. Your concerns about "muh achievements" and whatever else are irrelevant when it comes to what remains of you on this existence on material level, and in the long term, it is only your genes.Besides, wast majority of men are not the calibre of men as Newton, being capable of influencing society at large trough their intellectual pursuits. Most men are just average, and to such average men, the only real thing they can leave behind that influences the world and continues their legacy after they die are their progeny.If you fail to reproduce, you are cut off from the chain of history that binds us to the future, there is no reason to give a fuck about what happens after you die without children of your own. The world might as well end the moment you kick the bucket if you have no kids because, genuinely, why the fuck would you give a shit about the world and it's state after you die if your line ends with you?
>>214543624fulfilling a purpose inherently creates value. call it success, then, or whatever quality you want. conclusion remains the same, if you truly believe the highest calling for your existence is reproduction you'd be out raping women right now, not discussing sex online.
>>214543531No, all I said was that it's funny that people get bent out of shape when incels try to express their frustration for being rejected, and then anons immediately proved me right but having a meltdown and arguing with me that incels don't actually feel bad... even though it's rather obvious that they do
>>214543564>no, because they don't fit the diagnostic criteriaAre you a professionally trained psychiatrist? How many self-admitted incels have you examined?I'm a layman, but I'd argue that if an incel feels distressed enough to commit suicide or harm others like in the case of Elliot Rodger, they were traumatized.
>>214542989Guys who served in war and saw their friends murdered absolutely had it define their lives. What are you even smoking?
>>214543901The finest Bangalore hookah. Stop talking to obvious jeets
>>214543901What's traumatic about watching people die? I've seen thousands of people die online
>>214541253i bought one of these books to see what the ultimate chud lit is like its so badits literally just WAAAAAAAAHHHHHH MY PENIS ISNT BEING SUCKKEDD WAAAAAAAHHHIM RICH BUT MY HOT WIFE IS A BITCH WAAAAAHHHI WANT MY PENIS SUCKED NOW WAAAAAAAHHHHH MY PENIS HARD AND I WANT TO JERK OFFFFFF WOW THAT 16 YEAR OLD GIRLS TITS ARE AWESOME AND IT MAKES MY DICK HARD I WANT SEXXXXX XX X X I WANT PENIS TO CUM WAAAAHHHH
>>214541232Actual post about the movie: this scene was incredibly well done. The lighting, the music, Our Hero lighting his cig in time with it, Raphael's reaction... fucking perfect. The rest of the movie is also incredibly close to the book, down to the unnamed characters/people in the background (specifically thinking of the business meeting scene/subway scene).I personally like the movie more than the book since (inb4 filtered) it cut out the animal parables, made Our Hero more sympathetic, and gave him a happier ending. The latter two are mostly because I relate to him too much. Big H was involved in the production of the movie so he was at least somewhat OK with the changes.
>>214543901>absolutely had it define their livesNo, they did not. They came home and fucked their wives and had children.
As a black pilled incel I hated the guy on the right and felt sorry for the guy on the leftIIRC he invites him to the disco even though he knows Raphael will have no chance and after watching him get rejected by numerous women he tells him this Then he tells him to stab a girl who rejected him and when Raphael says he'd rather stab the black guy she was flirting with he encourages him to kill the black man and gives him a knife he retrieves from his car Also in the novel he's supposed to be a lot uglier than he's depicted asThe protagonist is correct about his analysis of the sexual market but he just seems like an evil person to me and I felt zero sympathy for himSubmission is my favourite Houellebecq novel, it's one of the funniest novels I've ever read whilst 'Whatever' is just depressing
>>214544123Only the lucky ones, and even then it cast a shadow for the rest of their lives
>>214543564The nog has a bunch of descendants, his genes will remain. He won, meanwhile Isaac's race is on the way out and one day will be extinct due to not reproducing. Every action has an equal, opposite reaction as he said.
>>214543680>In the grand scheme of life, the former is far more successful than the later.and that's not something I'm not ever going to agree with because not only is it retarded and insulting, but it reduces the existence of mankind to animalistic behaviour. not even. viral behaviour.maybe in the 'grand scheme' humanity isn't going to be more notable than a virus but I'm certainly not going to give up the ideal that what we do is more significant because the alternative is horrendous.>>214543861>I'd argue that if an incel feels distressed enough to commit suicide or harm others like in the case of Elliot Rodger, they were traumatized.you don't need to be traumatized to kill yourself, and Elliot Rodger not being able to stick his dick in a wet hole was the least of his problems.
>>214543564>by that logic some nigger who knocks up a dozen women, abandons them, then ODs on fent was a more valuable human being than Issac Newton.You can't define "valuable", so your argument holds no weight
>>214541308now do this for zoomers crying that they can't afford a house
Attention, attention.Women owe me sex.That is all.
>>214546000>You can't define "valuable"I don't have to define it because I'm not the one claiming to know the objective cosmic standard by which life is valued.>>214546056honestly a lot of zoomers do deserve to be told that. so many will bitch and moan about living with their parents and spend all their income on living elsewhere instead of saving it. "waaahhhhh but my parents fight all the time, my dad's a hoarder, my mom likes my little brother better" suck it up bitch, those aren't real problems, your family finds you just as annoying but they put up with it when you were a snot-nosed brat, grow the fuck up.
