The age of Ghilbi is over. The time of AnimeSlop has come.
>>214556676Go back to /a/
>>214556676i'm 21 and this show defined my generation. You old boomers had gay anime like cowboy beboop and DBZ. We have real cinematic tier anime.
Ghibli was never really a hit at box ofice outside of Japan thpugh
>>214556759This. The worldwide box office of Ghibli was almost nothing.
>>21455667655 millie is sad tierWhy Ghibli never got bigger in the west seems fishy to me, mouse jew tricks probably
muzan won
>>214556795>Disney taking the distribution rights worldwide of Ghibli films to cockblock them for decades in favour of their own animated films insteaddevilish
>>214556795>boring orchestral music>no memorable villains>bland sameface "house style" protagonists>writing is a mix of preachiness and wapanese autism
>>214556832Disney's quality dubs and distribution circle is why any of the Ghibli films are known at all outside of weeb circles.
>>214556676I wouldn't say Demon Slayer is good but Spirited Away wasn't
If the yen didn't take a shit in the past 10 years it would have made $600m so far instead of $480m
Watched it twice for HIM
>>214556758>cowboy beboop and DBZThey are pretty gay to be fair. Bebop has amazing peak scenes, but mostly isn't that good and most of it is style over anything else. DBZ is a 'shounen power sequel' to a better martial arts adventure.Spirited Away is peak anime and people claiming otherwise lack sensitivity to genuine soul.
>>214556676do i need to watch the tv show(s) before this film? Or are there other films to watch beforehand?Basically whats the watch order/list for Demon Slayer?
>>214556676good... never liked shitited awaysadly i don't really care for demon slayer either but the appeal of it makes more sense to me
>>214557085Yes, you need to watch from the beginning or nothing will make sense. Just google demon slayer watch order. Should all be free on crunchy roll
>>214557163i liked naruto, but thats about the only anime i've seen. How does this series compare?
>>214556676When are they making demon slayer in celluloid animation ? Digital lacks a certain visual appeal even though it is very cinematic.
>>214557232>When are they making demon slayer in celluloid animation ?I can tell you are older but us young people do not like that old style of animation. It might sound strange to you but it makes shit look dated. We fucking love the digital style it's bright and fast paced.
>>214556795Ghibli is equivalent to your average oscar-bait movies i think, have deep theme but not really entertain you
>>214557371>not really entertain youI could understand if you're talking about Grave of the Fireflies. But otherwise I don't understand how you wouldn't find Ghibli more enjoyable than other animated films. Especially something completely unpretentious like Latputa.
>>214556758a tranny anime defined your generation? sad
>>214557288Thats ok. Not a big anime watcher. The last anime i watched was dbz super and it appeared quite shiny and polished compared to the old version. No country for old men i guess.
>>214557445i mean not as entertaining like watching slop movies, ghibli had deeper theme and you're expected to watch them with your brain on unlike turn off your brain and enjoy the fun movies and also i think they consider ghibli as more like work of art instead entertainment product
>>214556676>no wokeness>no forced diversity>no rap music>no social commentaryIt's refreshing to see a movie that western hands didnt touch. Even if it is tranime.
How would hollywood spin on this in 10 years in a live-action remake if this is incredibly japanese cored story? This is getting more revenue than Superman globally, they'll try to put their hands on it somehow.
>>214556676But Ghibli is slop too
>>214557536>This is getting more revenue than Superman in Wapan, it's domestic home.Fix'd.
>>214557555>anime film theatrically released news>nooo this is not /tv/ related!retarded beyond repair
>>214557288yeah you’re braindead niggerfied cattle with shit taste
Tranime is an embarrassment. Most tranime gets big only because the mangaka has a cool art style and cool designs. Like you can look at something like My Hero Academia and the girls look really good, the guys look like homo bait, it looks appealing.But there story, the characters, it's all shit. They can't write anything. There isn't a single good tranime story and if there is, it's only good for the first 30% of the manga and then goes to shit. The best storytelling, which isn't saying much, I've seen in tranime/manga is the first half of Gantz and Berserk Golden Age. For something more artsy Aku no Hana was pretty good (and to no one's surprise tranime fans hate it). The best of the best tranime is completely mogged by the old cartoon network and nickelodeon shows in terms of writing and characters. Avatar and Samurai Jack is better than any tranime, Ed Edd n Eddy and King of the Hill is better than any slice of life moeblob ''comedy,'' Batman animated series is better than any sort of superhero/crime/edgy series, Disney 2D movies were better than anything Ghibli put out. The Mask cartoon was better than any of these wish fulfillment anime where the MC gets a superpower.You can look at something like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Street Sharks. These are very infantile shows for kids, but they are so far better written and more mature than the best of the best tranime.
>>214557664They have made themselves autistic culturally, on purpose.
>>214557664anime are basically toy/manga long promotional adverts to boost sellings
>>214557664>Avatar and Samurai Jack is better than any tranime, , Ed Edd n Eddy and King of the Hill...Lol that's bullshit. They certainly have better jokes, but are you seriously claiming that Avatar's "master the 4 elements" nothing plot is better than everything in anime?
>>214557664
>>214557717yeah avatar is overrated shit but modern tranime is just as bad
>>214557664it's probably the format with the worst quality: quantity ratio, they just pump out trash after trash every year, and weebs have no standards or good taste so they just watch it. but i still found AOT to be kino
>>214557519So you prefer not thinking. Understood.
>>214557771>but i still found AOT to be kinothen you’re opinion is meaningless, it’s dog shit
>>214556676I went to see it this weekend, as i waited i saw a full pack theater come out, as we went in it was alsoba packed house. When i left same thing, a packed group coming in. The crowd was super diverse too, all sorts of races/sex/ages, it was crazy. This is an r rated movie but the whole thing was treated like a family movie, i think it was because even tho it was pretty violent ut was always treated with respect, it never felt gratuitous and all the main characters were pretty good role models. Anyway yeah very interesting how this movie is taking off.
>>214557664no one read that. medication, now!
>>214557664Let’s dissect this.Anime was never a medium with talent. The medium has always been constrained by its audience and its lack of budget to experiment or expand. Western popularity aside, it has always had to cater to the very niche audience that only wants whatever the current zeitgeist in Japan. See all those shonen, LN and isekai adaptations? That’s the people who pay for the seasonal shit we see. The actual talent moved on to better frontiers decades ago without anyone to replace them. Now add in how entertainment and creativity isn’t respected in Japan and being on the lowest rung of the entertainment industry, you have a recipe for mediocrity.
>>214557816>the whole thing was treated like a family movieIt obviously is. Western rating agencies find things like it 'problematic' enough to deny it to an audience that its country of origin was fine pitching it toward though.
>>214557816>shonen manga>R rated filmwhat? is this only for america?
>>214557850>The actual talent moved on to better frontiers decades agoActual examples?
>>214557816it’s literally brownoid capeshit consoomer slop
>>214557664This. Japanese and the vast majority of Asians are absolutely incapable of nuance. Even the peak of anime like NGE or Re Zero is total dogshit compared to a mediocre western show. How are these so-called oriental geniuses incapable of a simple rule like "show don't tell"? Why the fuck does the finale have to be the cast spelling out the theme of the show and how Shinji needs to open up in the most hamfisted and clunky way possible? Even some 30-year old Disney millenial writer would find a clever way of showing this concisely through his actions. And not to mention they try to reference western canon without an ounce of understanding. Why is the spear in Evangelion called the Spear of Longinus? Is it because this whole thing has been an analysis of Christianity or Anno inputting his own unique thoughts and critique? No. It's just because it sounds le deep and le esoteric. Japs literally see it no different than a Gucci bag or a tattoo of a meaningless cool-sounding word on their arms. It's no wonder tranime appeals exclusively to sheltered sexless midwit chuds and trans people. They need an entire season of some gay ass isekai to pep talk them into getting a job. Pathetic. Johnny Bravo is infinitely more edifying than the most well written anime.
>Tranime fags when they leave their house
>>214557885passing away so they don’t have to witness the disgusting talentless hack shit that’s being shat out today
>>214557850DanDaDan S2 has a foreign director, Jujutsu Kaisen had a foreign director (Park Sung-hoo) who was let to make his own original animated film, several foreign animators moved to japanese animation companies to do 2D animation...
>>214557850Kurosawa was actually complaining about how all the talent in Japan was going to animation and even Koreeda says something about Japanese studios being risk averse and that he prefers working overseas.
>>214557929>Even the peak of anime like NGE or Re Zero>Re Zero>peak of animelmaoLMAO
>>214557987all slop btw
>>214557929eva is not actually very "deep" as a show. it touches on deep themes without actually exploring them or giving any kind of answer to them, until the point where it forces misato to explicitly spell out the hedgehogs dilemma to shinji. the religious iconography is cool but completely meaningless
>>214557956I knew you were being dishonest. >>214558001 shows that the more perceptive Japs understood that anime and video games attracted their best away for mother mediums.
>>214557850The good anime that was coming out in the 90s and 2000s was made not just for the japanese but the western market in mind, but the japs just wanted their cutesy little girl pedo shit with no deep stories. Now american fans have become the same
>>214557954Is picrel what they called mystery mutt?
>>214557987>DanDaDan S2 has a foreign director, Jujutsu Kaisendan da dan is way too kino
>>214556940APOLOGIZE
>>214557929this must be why anime appeals to dense autists who don't pick up on subtle anythingoh and kids
>>214557664It's mostly because of this>>214557850On top of the listed constraints, Japs typical constrain themselves with societal pressure. Being a trailblazer is part of the individuality that's frowned upon by the isolated island culture with noticeably limited resources.They're more worried about hitting all the derivative benchmarks than producing a product of higher quality.Even the quality products get bogged down by schlock (spinoffs, unnecessary extra seasons, half-assed video games, etc) because they don't know how to capitalize on success by any means other than putting out he same thing but shittier. Most of the time they can't even do basic merchandising without fucking it up.
>>214558044not anymore dumb zoomer nigger
>>214558218Then you should have at least one example of the reverse. I'm waiting. Modern Jap live action is trash.
>>214557929anime is really good at spectacle and hype but it's never really been good at themes or characters
>>214556676I find funny how kids actually like this series when is clearly not for kidsSure, it has a lot of comedic relief moments and the main cast is clearly made to be funny, but man, when the serious shit starts, it does a 180°Dismembers everywhere, tons of blood splatting, decapitations, deathI wonder what kids think of what that Upper Moon did to one of the Pillars in the movie
>use 4chan>complain about animewat
>>214557664You're only thinking about Redditme. Not Japanese Cinema.
>>214558212>Being a trailblazer is part of the individuality that's frowned upon by the isolated island culture with noticeably limited resources.I keep hearing Americans say this, but this completely ignores the "kaizen" philosophy and approach to business as well as the general respect that Japanese give to letting individuals live their own private lives without being disturbed. Americans seem to like 'freedom', so long as it involves being loud, public and in line with what they think of as being 'cool', while Japanese will make all kinds of things, even high budget productions that don't fit in line with this and give creators the freedom to express things like the natural ambience of a place.I've not seen an American pull off something like Zelda. Nor have even the best animators at Pixar, who worked on things as good as Toy Story and The Incredibles, created something as well put together as Sen to Chiihiro no Kaikakushi or even Nausicca.>>214558323Nipponese recognize that their kids can handle this, Americans don't.
>>2145583544chan is not an anime website.
>>214558323>this series when is clearly not for kidsIt's published in a magazine aimed to 12-14 years old kids, of course it's for kids, it's a fucking shonen manga
>>214557664now you're gettin it
>Demon Slayer with 2 movies has now made more money at the box office than the entire Godzilla franchise
>>214558323>I find funny how kids actually like this series when is clearly not for kidsWhat?Are you retarded?
>>214557929>re:zeroreminder that the MC voluntarily became a tranny and then got turned into a shota. all for "plot" reasons of course ! it has nothing to do with author's fetishes. also it has 41 light novel volumes and is nowhere to getting finished. god what a shitshow this is, especially after arc6.don't mention this on /a/ or you'll get called [insert_character_here]fag, i think re:zero has some of the worst generals on this website.
>>214558514???
>>214558547The author literally murdered into comatose state the fan favorite girl because the readers weren't rooting for her oneitis main girl Emilia as he wanted.
>>214558381>4chan is not an anime website.cringe
>>214558574>eaders weren't rooting for her oneitis main girl EmiliaHe fixed that in a single season with a single outfit
>>214556676Why couldn't the My Hero Academia movies made this amount of money nor be this successful?
>>214556795It's tickets sold in Japan you complete boob
>>214557929It's because anime spells everything out so that even the most braindead autist can pick up basic symbols and themes. Characters in anime will often literally spell out their feelings.Flashbacks are used extremely liberally so you dont forget dialogue that was said like 3 fucking minutes ago.Autists get attracted to anime thinking its the superior medium for illiciting such strong feelings in them, when in reality its the medium that will destroy any subtlety just to get you invested so you consoom the inevitable tidal wave of merchandise.
>>214558698Filler Movies =/= Manga adapted movies, that for start.
>>214558243Yeah it is but they didn’t used to be
>>214557664I think most of anime isn't that great. Whether that is fueled by the blatant financial problems and commercialism of the anime industry, or the inability of the Japanese to produce something that isn't horseshit, is beyond me. Not to say their aren't very well written anime or well acted or anything, but those are usually few and far between. The main problem is not that most anime have terrible stories, but even the ones with good stories are handled in such a way where it almost becomes a parody of itself. Aside from a lot of anime now being slice of life, a good amount of anime with stories that try to be different are usually over complicated with some bullshit because apparently over stuffing equals good writing. Bad part is a lot of anime fans, weebs or not, eat shit like that up, so the makers keep doing it. If you want to criticize the storytelling on a base level though, there are clear problems even with some of the most highly acclaimed anime.Most of the time the writing or dialogue in anime is riddled with too much exposition by the characters, I guess to save budget from actually having to show something instead of saying it. Which wouldn't be so bad in a book or something, but this is a visual medium, the whole point is to speak with your, um, eyes. You do this by using cinematography and subtlety, and actually directing, not having a character just blatantly spell out the motivation of the character or situation and have that deemed as "good writing," as if the makers of the show don't trust the viewer enough for them to actually use their head and piece things together like the medium is for. Given some of their audience, I am not surprised that they do that
>>214557929Storytelling in anime is maddening, usually just moving from one ridiculously cliched situation solved by a desu ex machina to the next, if it's even trying.But when it's original, as with Miyazaki (translator's note: EXTREMELY rare occurance), the west get blown the fuck out of the water (at least in the realm of animation).
>>214558765Yes, that the fucking point. Jap live action used to be good, but became trash, and all the best talent moved onto animation/games etc.Conversely, great Japanese animators have no "moved back" to live action or onto any other line of work, so animation remains Japan's premiere medium.How are you not getting this?
>>214557664Anime is a medium with tremendous potential that is held back by obnoxious tropes, fan service, lack of subtlety, and adherence to formula as well as relying on an already-existing anime fanbase (or otakus as some would say). This leads to ridiculous amounts of pandering and dialouge and screenplay that peroetuates these drawbacks by insisting upon them.That being said, when a work of Japanese animation manages to break free from these pitfalls, the result can be spectacular. Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Wicked City, LOGH, Ghost in the Shell, basically anything by Miyazaki and Kon.
>>214558872modern animators and mangaka are talentless hacks thoughbeit, hope this helped!
>>214557929Anime often has shockingly poor pacing and is one of the few mediums where clip show episodes still exist. The only advantage it has is the visuals. It can depict what would be prohibitively expensive to feature elsewhere. However, despite some excellent examples, there's a massive pile of bad fantasy, bad scifi, bad everything, in anime which just plain sucks.
>>214556795I can just hear Miyazaki's '60s bloodthirsty japanese red army commie nagging in every frame
>>214559054Miyazaki doesn't care, he's to date the only anime director who won an Oscar while everyone else begs for it
>>214557664I hate linking to charts but otherwise I would be here all night + people all have very subjective tastes. There are a million versions of this chart but I think this one is pretty good. Give them a shotI highly recommend anything by Masaaki Yuasa, Satoshi Kon or that Mamoru Oshii has worked on as a starting point
>>214558939>Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Wicked City, LOGH, Ghost in the Shell,Not to shit on your taste /a/ style too much, but this is such a western bunch of picks.
>>214559135Usagi Drop is good, and yeah, I know the ending of the manga'
>>214558381404 page has a loli looking down her pants
>>214559135>2011
>>214556676I have no idea what this movie is and no interest in watching it, but a trailer played the last time I was at the theatre and it looked fucking obnoxious. Just colourful glows mindlessly splashed over every shot.
Why do the big modern shonens lack heart? BNHA had it even if the ending was poor but the newer ones just have edge and not much else going for them.
>>214556676What happened to Ghibli anyway? I remember they made a horrible cgi movie and then what?
>>214556676Anime has been unwatchable for 20 years
>>214557664Flowers of Evil was pretty good. A lot of people don't like the rotoscoping but I felt it was a refreshing change from the usual anime aesthetics. And the show itself was incredibly depressing, I hadn't read the manga beforehand and only had a basic knowledge of the plot so I expected it to be sort of a dark comedy. Boy was I wrong.
>>214557065No way Spirited Away is better than Akira.
>>214557523Not woke and yet its still worse than the average western wokeshit
>>214559758It's literally made for children, so it checks out
>>214556758zoomer anime tourists need to fuck off
>>214560054It absolutely is and it's not even particularly close. Spirited Away is a denser film with more atmosphere, subtlety and good integration of themes. Akira is a cut in half adaptation of the manga its based on.
>>214559981Old good editors died or killed their wives
>>214559990Isao Takahata died, Their "heirs" were all disappointed fags, the only good heir died, Miyamoto's son was a mistake and Miyamoto himself is in the vergue of death. They just run out of time and nobody's left in the company with talent.
>>214560003It has a live action film and they changed the ending totally
>>214559990another of miyazaki's final films won the best animation oscar last year and made a bunch of money
>>214559250>but this is such a western bunch of pickswhich is why it's good faggot
>>214556758pathetic
>>214556676King of /a/ and /tv/Everyone in this thread should kneel before it
>>214560482>weebshitNo
>>214558803Also, the voice acting, whether it's original Japanese or English dub, is usually always laughable. Not entirely their fault considering the scripts they usually have to read from, but when you hear nothing but high pitched voices or voices that clearly sound fabricated, it takes away from the seriousness, sincerity, and immersion/emotion evoked from the show. Not to say all anime are like that. But come on, if a low budget kids show like the batman cartoons could have absolutely phenomenal, realistic voice acting and writing, but such a well respected art form as anime can't most of the time, then I fear for the future of anime.
Dungeon Meshi is peakFrieren is peakDanDaDan is peakDorohedoro (manga) is peakHow can western 'toonista's ever hope to compete?
>>214561024>How can western 'toonista's ever hope to compete?by making more money than japannearly every cinema classics, literature, and high quality media has ALWAYS been produced in the west. even avatar the last airbender is better than 99.9% of anime out there including the things you mention
>>214561151>even avatar the last airbenderStopped reading there.Sorry Europoor, but your opinion literally does not matter.
>>214561188canada actuallyand i stand by what i say atla >>>>> 99.9% anime including frieredditwhenever the west makes anime they beat japan at their own game
>>214561240>canada actuallyEven worse.
>>214559135>literally the same 60 or so pieces of media from the late 80's to just before 2010 with the vast majority being between 1994 and 2008 this medium is cursed and shit, i've already watched all this shit a decade ago anybody trying to say anime is somehow in a different position than the west is a weeb retard, there's maybe 1 or 2 watchable shows being made a year it has gotten so bad
>>214560482My knees are bending on their own.
>>214561024all tranny slop modern anime is fucking gay
>>214556676>center the movie around fighting demon Akuma which was also the spotlight in the previous movie>give him a tragic backstory of also being a nurse who married his patient, who cured the demon out of him from the afterlife>make all the box officeTop decisions were made.
>>214556676I wonder how much this cost to make in comparison to F1, Superman and Fantastic Four which it overtook at the box office?
>>214557850Anime does not hold cultural or artistic value, it only attempts to mirror media that does.The closest anime can come to true art is when it confuses obtuse metaphors with narrative complexity. The fault lies not with the medium, but with the quality of the culture it is forged from.The Japanese had been up until the 20th century, a hallow mockery of Chinese culture. They can be likened to their precious pufferfish, a intimidating looking figure that is ultimately empty and without strength. Their weapons are weaker copies of those made the Chinese, but given artificial power through societal veneration.In the same vein, the Japanese mimicked aspects of the United States' culture after their country was destroyed and rebuilt by them. They took to their animation, and attempted to remake it in their own image. Sadly, the Japanese are at a blood level, cultural parasites. They dug through western literature, film, and music for things of meaning. They repackaged imagery, tone, and themes from others and tried to pass it off as evidence of their cultural worth. Sadly it only attracted praise from the dregs of the west, weasels who lack both the robustness for labour and the wit for intellectuality.Quite tragic.
>>214557664too based for this World
>>214561999Peanuts, F1 in particular is overpriced for being an Apple release, they had to pay Brad Pitt upfront.
>>214561151>>214561240Day of the Rake soon
>>214556987Is it ironic callin him HIM reminds me of the Powerpuff Girls villain?
>>214557664Animation is a viable medium to tell stories that are just as meaningful as any film. And I'm saying this as someone who really isn't an anime person to begin with.IMO, the Europeans have the best attitude towards animation (and I'd also say comics as well.) If you want to tell a story with animation instead of a live action movie, more power to you. No bitching about manchildren or if something's inappropriate for kids. People are just as willing to watch an Asterix movie as they are Waking Life.As a matter of fact, fusing animation with live-action is becoming increasingly common in Europe. The Congress and Another Day of Life are two examples, and both are aimed at the adult demographic.Anime is unfortunately getting to Hollywood-tier creative incest. People who make anime are those who primarily watch anime and nothing else. Also, most of the anime we in the West get is what weebs want. There is manga and anime aimed at adults, we just don't get it.I'd recommend Millenium Actress or Perfect Blue (which had a bathtub scene copied by both Requiem for a Dream and Black Swan.)
>>214560724Anime must be the worst entertainment medium in existence. I stopped watching this shit, but every single time someone posts it and gives recommendations it's the same shit. Generic cute girls, generic Japan/urban fantasy/high fantasy JRPG world, shitty pop music, some random gimmick.I don't think they even need humans anymore to make anime. They already look like they were produced by AI.
>>214556676Ghibli films are for kids, adults need to move on and watch animated films aimed toward adults or at least actually meant for older audiences rather than preteen kids first
>>214556676mfw two of the best capeshits this year troll characters with endless rooms from a nigh-omnipotent villain
>>214556758>>214557065Cowboy Bebop is a perfect litmus test to see if someone is a millennial or a zoomer online. Millennials are more used to episodic shows because the serialized drama was still being figured out with shows like Lost and Sopranos at the time. Before those, serialized dramas were basically limited to soap operas for a few decades whereas episodic was king in the 90s and 00s. There were a few exceptions, but things tended toward episodism when the main consumption point was broadcast television or cable so missing a single episode was far less detrimental to a viewer's enjoyment. Cheap DVD box sets and later online streaming and torrenting allowed serialized dramas to really start making money, especially after studios saw how profitable sopranos DVD's were.The anime of these decades also reflects this. Nowadays, anime is story, story, story; zoomers are so used to this that when they watch something episodic like Bebop which takes time to focus more on theme, tone, and lets its characters live and react to different environments and situations, they get bored because they expect to be forcefed constant story and progression. Bebop takes it's time. Only like 5 episodes are related to the overarching plot, but every episode explores different aspects of the characters, the dynamics between the characters, the setting, and the overall tone it has meticulously crafted. Instead of appreciating this, zoomers just jewjitsu kaizen man to fight all-might again.
>>214562475No, that would be music - not interacrive, very solitary, doesn't promote community and discussion like other enternainment mediums, and is filled with annoying, shallow people. It's basically best used as a fashion accessory or as a compliment to objectivelt better mediums. All-around braindead take, go back to the hole you crawled back from and watch some better anime rather than mainstream slop you retarded faggot
>>214562662Imagine writting all that only to be wrongTeenagers all around the world STILL think they are spike you dumbass
>>214562727>watch some better anime rather than mainstream slop you retarded faggotwhat are some good anime? please give the class some examples
>>214556713also this belongs in /tv/ nowfeel old yet?
>>214562815>frogpostingKill yourself.
>>214557192Mid but servisable if you are a normieNaruto is mid too but waaaay longer so no reason to dislike one another other beyond taste
>>214562662Personally, Bebop is great (better than most anime slop out there), but it's also definitely extremely overrated, usually by people who barely watch other anime and suck Bebop's dick as the "only good one"
>>214557664>artstyle but shit storyThat's literally all comics, they usually get a writter if they actually care about quality as a artformManga (Comics) are less like film or literature and more like TV/visual arts even if most don't like it that way
DS is /tv/ now. The Hollywood trades can barely keep up with how it will make more than $100 million just in North America, which you need at least something like a Conjuring sequel to do or a breakout sensation like Weapons, talking about horror which like anime is on average considered among the most niche genres.
>>214556758https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaJdJeku7fY This you?
>>214562727Not really. Music is more universal than visual arts. Put a painting or pretty animation in front of 100 random people, half won’t get itNow play a beat and all 100 will react in some way. You can literally talk music with anyone in the world and enjoy it in group. You can't mention anime without looking like a socially awkward geekThe highest grossing anime movie ever made less than one Taylor Swift tour
>>214563062>DS is /tv/ now.No it's not you, autist. It's anime based on a manga. Fuck off.>>>/a/
>>214562927Naw, Bebop is well rated. Especially for the time it came out in, the fact that it had a great english dub, and that it made it to the west on cable. It was also heavily shaped and inspired by familiar western tropes like noir and westerns. This was at a time where you either had to pay insane shipping for japanese tapes with a translated script you printed online, pay a guy who knew a guy for an Akira tape where the audio was half a second off, or watch what was on tv. If you were lucky you could rent a Ghibli movie. Bebop was contemporary to things Excel Saga and Tenchi and Lupin. It really did shake things up and make a splash like Eva did. Except Eva's biggest splash was in the domestic market of Japan, Bebop made its splash in international markets. It was one of the first major anime to cross the pond that targeted teens and young adults instead of children. It dealt with adult themes and did it a lot better than Eva did.So I think its extremely well rated, but I also understand that many people consider it over-rated because it is approachable to newcomers to the medium and so many people are tired of hearing it be one of the first to be recommended for two decades. But my point about zoomers hating it and millennials loving and why it still stands.
>>214563154If it still looks better better than some streaming trash I watched in a theater, smuggled by a distributor, I'll still talk about it here still, eat shit and die on your hill.
>>214563283Doesn't matter if you watched it in the theaters you AIDS riddled faggot, it's still anime based on a manga. Fuck off back to your autistic hole>>>/a/
>>214563321Seethe
>>214562662You're overthinking this shit way too much. Cowboy Bebop is so popular among millennials because it was airing on Toonami
>>214557664decimating trvth nvke
>>214561457>waaah these anime aren't like OLD anime with muscle men, this is so TRANNY where are my DUDES!You might be gay, anon
>>214563321This thread is literally predicated on how well a movie is doing in theaters to an unprecedented degree, not just well but the 1st ranking movie by a long shot. If you don't like interesting news go back to watch paint dry or whatever you were doing.
>>214563488>how well a movie is doing in theaters to an unprecedented degreeNo one cares, Hollywood makes that money like lunch money
>>214556676>movie cost 20 millions>movie has made 500 millions so farHow did they manage to achieve this? Modern Hollywood movies cost 100-200 millions and they usually don't break even. Why are Hollywood movies so expensive?
>>214556891why american are so dumb
>>214558212Tranime watchers insist on shilling garbage for overgrown babies and wanting anything more means "you hate anime, go watch something else". Anime at its core is no different from comic books or dime novels. It's pure junk food without almost any redeeming qualities. Not even the animation is very interesting 90% of the time. Low frame count, wooden character animation, increasingly amateurish, rushed or otherwise corner cutting draftsmanship. It's for retards who guzzle slop, simple as. Even what is considered "masterpiece" in anime (or manga) is amateurish and mediocre by the standards of any other medium.
>>214563550It matters because they take years to make movies, and months to release them even if they're made. And they still need theaters. They embrace a release like Demon Slayer when Hollywood delayed Mortal Kombat II until fuking next year and Disney's Tron Ares might become a bomb for all we know. Sony and Crunchyroll will be swimming in money for the next 2 DS movies, don't bet aainst that.
>>214563642There's a reason why anime never translates well into live cinema. Not because the acting is bad or anything (okay it might be bad) but because anime screenplay and dialogues never translates well into real lifeLiterally the lowest form of "art form"
>>214563732Chitoge's actress has a nice rack
>>214563724>It matters because they take years to make moviesAnd they make more money so no one caresZootopia will probably make 1 or 2 billion, more money than what anime makes so who cares about muh milestones only autists cares about that
>>214563732well anime leans heavily on tropes and gimmicks and basic surface level aesthetics to draw in low iq drooling retards more than any other entertainment i can think of, even mainstream tv has more variety
>>214556676Sex with Shinobu
>>214560161still went farther than the anime so it was cool to see most of that stuff in motion finally
>>214563633Dumb esl poster
>>214563551>Why are Hollywood movies so expensive?jewscaming
Was recommended demon slayer.Checked it out.Typical generic, immature, teenfag, pew pew shit from japan.Anime is fucking shite as fuck these days. It peaked in the 80s and died in the 90's.
>>214563956answer my question homomutt
>>214563391Bebop is unique among anime in that it actually has thematic harmony in its script and art. Most popular animes are just pandering cliches and fanservice designed to sell merchandise (examples: any shouen, any moesliceoflife, any ecchi) or some kind of thriller (examples: Death Note, Code Geass, Kaiji, etc). Cowboy Bebop meanwhile is focused entirely on its style, character development and overall themes. Despite its name, it draws heavily from noir, mafia and samurai movies. Going by the low standards set by its medium, Cowboy Bebop is easily one of the best animes ever made just the virtue of the fact that it's competently done. That's also why Bebop is the perfect litmus test to see if you're a millenial or zoomoid.
>>214563128Maybe it's universal in the sense of it being easy to access, but despite people claiming it hits emotional chords really well, I just find it more primitive and unfulfilling than the visual arts. >>214562810Gladly. Idk how much anime you've seen, but if you want some recommendations - both more mainstream and less so - I'm mainly trying to avoid more recent mainstream stuff like Demon Slayer and Jujutsu Kaisen. Some of them are probably gonna be filled with at least some tropey bullshit, but I think it's unfair to dismiss them just because they have annoying anime tropes:-Akira-Redline (the 2009 movie)-Steins;Gate-Anything directed by Shinichiro Watanabe (Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Space Dandy, etc.)-Anything directed by Satoshi Kon (I've seen Paranoia Agent and Paprika)-the original Neon Genesis Evangelion and End of Evangelion (yes, some people hate it but they're morons)-Dead Leaves (cool, weird, action-packrd 2004 OVA made by Hiroyuki Imaishi of Gurren Lagann and Promare fame)-Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt (2010 anime directed by thr above Imaishi, looks similar to Dead Leaves, heavily western cartoon-inspired aesthetic and is insanely fun, though filled with vulgar humor so be warned)-Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works (the 2014 Ufotable anime) and Fate/Zero (ok these ones are pretty tropey but I love them and are worth watching regardless)-Baki (not for everyone, but it's fucking insane and hilarious, I love it)If you have any problems with this list, let me know
>>214563771If you want to make Murrica above all as a point, feel free to defend Hollywood all you want but otherwise there's a reason Demon Slayer making as much in box office in North America is being reported as noteworthy. Don't be like the prison chief from Shawshank Redemption that blew his entire life away for being called obtuse.
>>214563480you watch faggot ass tranime gay nigger lmfao
>>214564112>there's a reason Demon Slayer making as much in box office in North Americabrown and asian population overtook the white
>>214564112>there's a reason Demon Slayer making as much in box office in North America is being reported as noteworthyby anime standards which is peanuts to to HollywoodWatch as Zootopia will probably make the double of it or something at November no one except autists cares about muh milestones
>>214564204we need another lotr where the characters are all whiteno chinks, no spics, no niggers
>>214564235an do one but homofurries care about your shit mousesucker
>>214564344copefurry movie will probably do 1 billion or some shit and outsell anime the mouse is still too strong
>>214564092should i jump into UBW if i've only ever seen fate/zero? tried f/s/n to get into the right order but really couldn't get into itgood list btw thanks
>>214564276no just stick with your original trilogy, that's all you people really need
>>214556676>movie free of diversity tokens and free of political agendas succeeds>a bunch of anons get madWhy are they mad again?
>>214564092>steins gatelulLet's replace that and Fate with the anthology films: Memories, Genius Party (and Genius Party Beyond).
>>214556676That´s disappointing but not at all unexpected though honestly it says nothing of the comparative quality of the films. Rather, it speaks volumes of the decadence of society. It´s the same for films really. We all know capeshit, Disney Wars, shit live action remakes of beloved animated classics, transformers or fast and the furious have no cinematographic value but it stands to reason that those are the kind of movies supported by a shallow society driven by instant gratification and consumerism. The movies are but the shadows of society´s decadence.
>>214564634yeah those are the only one s on that list I don’t like, sg is kinda interesting but fsn is terrible
>>214564626Chinkshit is just as bad as diversity shit
>>214564754Nah, diversity slop is worse.
>>214565092>made by chinksAs I said, same cancer different flavors
>>214556676Ghibli was never good.
>>214565980Still better than your favorite tranimeGhibli will continue to be to studied for years to come
>>214565138No, they are inherently different. Animation is as valid a medium for storytelling as cinema. It takes knowledge and skill to create something good but it can be done and it has been done. Political opinions over social issues are just that. there is no relation to skill whatsoever, anyone can have one. Artistic expression has more to do with the how rather than the what. Give the same subject matter to a hundred cinematographers and animators and they´ll all create different stuff. Sex, race, country of origin, morality, none of that matter. Those things may certainly affect an artist vision in some way but good composition, lighting, editing will still be good and bad composition, lighting and editing will still be bad. Incidentally the reason why movies have been reduced to vehicles for discussing social issues or box office numbers is precisely because the entry bar for that kind of discussion is low, unlike discussions pertaining cinematography, anyone can talk about those things without knowing shit, this allows the lowest common denominators to participate and generate online buzz and trends. It´s all media mass manipulation.
>>214566112Quality post.
>>214562001>Sadly, the Japanese are at a blood level, cultural parasites. Just Japanese Things(tm)
Animation is inherently right-wing because it necessarily requires an industrial process creating thousands of sequential drawings, which in turn requires hierarchy, discipline, capital, oversight, etc. all forms of vertical integration and adherence to authority and higher vision. The black and white comic is the upper limit of media on narrative left wing expression.
>>214566112The problem is animation is rarely ever used to its full potential. The vast majority simply write off anything that is animated as "being for kids" and you can't fault them for their opinion.The majority of animated products ARE for children. Hell, the anime on OP is literally made for children. Satoshi Kon attempted to make animated features for adults and I think he succeeded at showing how the medium of animation can be used to great affect.Animation as a medium for storytelling for adults will never be. Too many people aren't open-minded enough to understand that animation is a "medium" and not a "genre".As to "anime", most newer shows are a product of the economic times in which they are made. Producers need to make money so they would rather tap a known audience (otaku) and their predictable fetishes and sell 500,000 units for sure rather than risk a more main-stream type production where they aren't guaranteed a minimum number of sales based off of a fanbase or "checklist of stuff otaku like this month".
>>214556676I thought this would be the modern Inuyasha. Dropped it after reading the first three volumes and getting bored out of my mind.
I watched a lot of anime that I liked 10+ years ago, but everything that I try now is instantly annoying. The infantile voices, the main character getting a noise bleed, the screaming. It seems to be in most genres now. I will never get how adults actually like that embarrassing shit. Demon Slayer was decent until that annoying as hell character wouldn't stop screaming in every episode.
>>214564235You just made a point, a movie like Zootopia 2 nowadays comes across once a generation if people even still care. Demon Slayer is of the moment. Even Joker 2 was expected to be a blockbuster until it wasn't. Defend Zootopia 2 against an anime movie that's making more money than the previous movie if you're that much of a Disney adult, but it's irrelevant.
>>214556676Ghibli is overrated.
>>214566930>Defend Zootopia 2 against an anime movie that's making more money than the previous moviei don't have to defend zootopia 2 and from the looks of it, is the only thing worth watching in november so it'll probably make 1 billion or even 2 billionwhat anime makes is peanuts to the mouse
>>214567064Back then you might have a case but today in the age of isekaislop, SOL romcoms and shitshonen, Ghibli is underrated if anything.
>200 replies seething about cute girl cartoonsjej
>>214557664They hated him for speaking the truth.
>>214564446No problem! You'll be perfectly fine watching UBW if you've only seen Fate/Zero. I'd recommend anyone who hasn't seen any Fate anime whatsoever to start with the ufotable UBW anime (the 2014 one; there's an older UBW adaptation from the 2000s, but ignore that one). It's really well-made and it conveys the setting of the franchise well, so anyone can get into it without worrying about thr spinoffs and their alt-universe/timeline stuff. Fate/Zero's also good, but it's a prequel to FSN, so I'd recommend watching UBW 2014 first. Still perfectly fine to watch Zero first if you want, since you'll have some additional understanding of the backstory and events in UBW.Also, I forgot to mention about Panty & Stocking: both the sub and English dub (for both seasons) are good, but I absolutely love the S1 English dub for it, and I highly recommend it - probably my favorite English anime dub of all time. The S1 dub script isn't 100% faithful to the original audio (more like 90%-ish imo), but it's still very faithful to the spirit of the show and goes wild; the English voices are also perfect imo. The S2 dub (New Panty & Stocking, currently airing as of writing) is more faithful to the original Japanese script and has different voice actors (who are still good though I wish the original voice cast came back), so I did wanna let you know of that if you get into PASWG.>>214564634>>214564734I need to see Memories sometime. Haven't heard of Genius Party or Beyond, but they look cool. I'll also recommend another Studio 4C anime, MFKZ. It's a Japanese-French coproduction based off the French comic of the same name, and it's a cool if flawed movie.I get Steins;Gate and Fate are anime tropey (Rin Tohsaka from the latter is an OG tsundere, though she isn't really a stereotypical tsundere), but they're staples of 4chan culture (both in /a/ and sitewide) for a reason. I don't think they're worth skipping, and there's more depth to them than people give them credit for.
>>214565138You will never fit in
>>214567600You will never be a woman tranny
>>214563391It wasn't on the Toonami that made anime popular. It was on the renewal and Adult Swim broadly. I don't think it was even on Midnight Run. Incidentally, Midnight Run is the name of a movie which was a major influence on Cowboy Bebop.
