>2025>still no good film adaptation of the hobbit
>>214561432It's too whimsical to have a serious film adaptation. An animation would work better. Nothing is also a good idea.
>>214561432the animated show is bretty good the Jacksonslop was fine too
>>214562038>animation would work better. That's probably why they made the animated film, "The Hobbit" by Rankin Bass, back in the day.
>>214561432the fan edits are good
>>214562173No. All they can do is cut down the sickness, but the bones of those movies are rotten.
>>214561432just read the book it's like 10 pages lol
>>214561432yup
>>214561432>>214562240it's not that bad though just silly
>>214562139Tells the story well enough in one hour. Pretty good.
>>214561432the only flaw in PJ's trilogy is legolas doing the surfing gimmick again and the mario jumpingeverything else, as dumb as it gets the rest is decent
>>214561432The Peter Jackson ones were fine.
>>214563308Black people "fine" or fine fine?
>>214562173Is there one you can recommend?
I havent seen a good film adaptation of a trip to dunkin donuts yet neither
>>214562474>it's not that bad>>214562988>the rest is decentkys zoomers
>>214562988the whole battle was awful just awfulcomplete messthat's why in the books Bilbo was unconscious during this.
>dude let's do The Hobbit>Also dude, it should be totally epic like Lord of the Rings and there should be wizard duels with the Nazgul and thrilling Howard Shore choirs and Elrond doing ninja twirls and and and
>>214563395i am 40, kid
>>214563395>kys zoomerswhy are you projecting?
>>214563438>>214563464>young people have shit taste but it's ok since they haven't experienced much yet>"actually i'm an old man"
>>214562038> Live action 80's fantasy movies seem to do whimpsical and charming just fine. Take Neverending Story for example.
>>214562988Watch the Lindsay Ellis documentary.
>>214562038true
>>214563635literally who? i'm already aware that peter was cucked by the studio and taco and pretty much had to scramble to cover his ass
Tolkien is too white for modern sensibilities. It would be ruined by woke garbage.
>>214563590It would be too campy for the Hobbit to do it like that. Tolkien "magic" is very different to other types of magic in other fantasy stories.I was just thinking... the book itself is very episodic. The Beorn part happens, they have a big dinner... then they go to Mirkwood and the spiders get the dwarves, Bilbo saves everyone.... then they're captured by the Elves and Bilbo frees them.... it's super episodic probably due to Tolkien needing a stories short enough for bednight reading to his sonWhat that means is the Hobbit is arguably well-placed to be a series. An animated series, single season. That's the best way to adapt it if you really have to do it.
>>214562988Jackson's Hobbit movies have tons of flaws. They have a stupid love triangle, that adds nothing to the main plot and is just there. Phillipa Boyens said that the reason why they added a love triangle and have Legolas get cucked by a dwarf is that then Legolas would have a reason why he hated Dwarves in LOTR (THIS IS THE ACTUAL REASON SHE GAVE) You can tell she never read the book.Also some of the dwarves look like plain old human. Kili and Thorin look stupid as Dwarves. Dwarvish culture is based around having long beards. Tolkien said, if a dwarf committed some crime than they would have their beard shaved to be ridiculed. Kili and Thorin in the movies had short/lined up beards.Another thing that is stupid is the tonal shifts. It's like Jackson couldn't figure out whether to be a serious film or a kid film, so instead of staying in the middle the screenplay veered from extreme serious to absolute kiddy.Alfrid is the Jar Jar Binks of Hobbit movies. A waste of space in every scene he's in.
>>214563725That's the thing: The Hobbit book reads nothing like how LOTR reads. The Hobbit book is by design campy/charming. In one letter Tolkien said that he tried to rewrite Hobbit in a more serious tone that is similar to LOTR (so that it would match) but after a few pages of writing the draft he admitted that it took away the Hobbit book's main identity. So he left it.Hobbit is not meant to be a vast and epic adventure like LOTR. It's meant to be a short charming adventure about a Hobbit (focus on the Hobbit and not the Dwarves as the movies do).
HBO should make a gritty realistic 10 episode series based on the hobbit.
>>214563832I agree. That's why I think my episodic animation idea suits the Hobbit. That format gives you the opposite of vast and epic
>>214563735movie canon/lore is clearly not the same as book canon/lore, we experienced this with lotr so why you think an element previously un-introduced in lotr would suddenly be put into the hobbit is beyond me, that's a massive continuity gapthis is how adaptations workalso see >>214563832 the hobbit is literally a children's d&d tale
>>214561432>2025>Still pretending the Jackson/Del Toro trilogy is badNGMI.
>>214564196>pretending
>>214562565And it has great music.
>>214563682Doesn't matter who she is, she did her homework and got an award for it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTRUQ-RKfUs
>>214564293Yes, pretending. They are obviously flawed, but perfectly fine movies and nowhere near as bad as people pretend they are. Not to mention they were the last ever epic fantasy movies we got in the pre-woke era, and that makes me appreciate them more.
>>214564038>why you think an element previously un-introduced in lotr would suddenly be put into the hobbit is beyond meWhat's written in the Hobbit book is better than "making up your own shit" which is what Jackson did.Elf and Dwarf hatred doesn't need to be expanded upon for LOTR to make sense. Legolas doesn't need to be in Hobbit for the story to make sense. Legolas is basically a fan service cameo... you know, like what Marvel do now. What dumb retard thinks "This movie is good because my favourite hero is in it ... who cares what he does in it, I just want to see him". What are you 9?And seriously if you think an Elf getting cucked is the best way to introduce friction between two characters isn't dumb I have no hope for you (It was Phillipa Boyen's idea... not the studio. And Jackson said okay to it).
>>214564460you accuse me of being a child yet here you are losing your patience over a goofy film based on a children's novel lmaogo outside and interact with people, cuck shit happens all the time and is always a verifiable reason for hatred
>>214563682Some of the mistakes were Jackson's fault. Main one is making it into 3 movies (from original 2) was Jackson's idea.The Love triangle where Legolas gets cucked is Phillipa Boyens idea.
>>214564487I'm not accusing you specifically as a child. I'm saying people who watch films just because a hero appears (like in Marvel movies) and see the movie's story as secondary or tertiary attraction are children.>cuck shit happens all the timeMaybe in your life, but not in Tolkien's world. No elf would fuck a Dwarf.
>>214564507>Main one is making it into 3 movies (from original 2) was Jackson's idea.the studio forced this, jackson pitched the 2 movie deal.i don't think you realize how much the studios fucked with the hobbit. del taco was on board for the 2-film pitch, and when the studio started forcing a trilogy on him he bounced because he can't handle internal pressure, and that put jackson in a viable position as he was now both executive producer and head creative and had to tangle with a balancing act he wasn't prepared for.
>>214561432Um they have one
>>214562097Sure, if you're a feces-munching caveman.
>>214564580>the studio forced this, jackson pitched the 2 movie deal.Wrong. I used to believe this too, but it seems back when Hobbit movies came out there were rabid Jackson fans who couldn't take the fact that their beloved director actually could make dome creative decisions. So they did these fans did the easiest thing anyone could do - just blame it on the studio. This lie has been repeated on online forums for the last decade so much that it has become fact without anyone trying to disprove it.Here is a video of Jackson saying with his own mouth that it was his idea to make it into 3 movies:Jackson specifically flew in the fat cats of WB all the way to New Zealand just to persuade them to allow him to do 3 moviesJackson: "The idea going from two films, which we just arbitrarily started the Hobbit as two films, because we thought that's what it would be. It's a very thin book as so many people reminded me. But in developig the book in the way we developed it, we just, you know, kept adding more detail to the characters because we kept putting more backstory in.""By the time we were well into shooting we just suddenly thought, you know this doesn't feel quite right as two movies. It even structurally didn't feel quite right, where one finished and the other began. So we started to - this is Fran and Phillipa and myself - just the three of us, just privately to knock the idea around (this is while we were filming the film) that maybe we're dealing with three movies here, not two.""It wasn't until just before the end of filming that we had Warner Brothers come down to New Zealand to visit, and at that point, we worked out enough of a structure that we could pitch the to say, listen, we're going to make three movies this is how the first one would finish and the second one would begin. Yeah we sort of worked out the structure of how we would reshape the whole thing."youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=9XDsSr3sGSI&t=630s&pp=2AH2BJACAQ%3D%3D
>>214564580>>214564749Just think about what other rumours have been blamed on the studio that is actually Jackson's fault.
>>214564749So that's why they call him Hackson
>>214561432Just listen to the 60s radio adaption
>>214561432Man, I had high hopes for the trilogy back in the day. What a fucking shame. I should've known that Jackson changing the plans from what was originally a two-parter into a trilogy was the big red flag
>>214564749oh right i always forget it was hackson's idea to ape the appendices to fluff out the movie and that's what prompted the trilogy
>>214561432An Unexpected Journey was pure kino up until the literal second after Bilbo catches up to the party and joins them.
>>214564664This isn't available to watch anywhere properly. The version warner bros released on dvd/blu-ray has a temp audio track so most of the sound effects are missing. The only release that has the real audio is on vhs, which obviously looks and sounds like shit.
>>214566170If only there was an ORGANIZATION that ARCHIVED things like this
>>214566170there's a restored version floating around the net, google it
>>214567431I'm pretty sure it just uses the audio from the vhs version, which sounds like shitty low quality vhs audio.
>>214563635no, I don't think I will
>>214564451>They are obviously flawed, but perfectly fine movies and nowhere near as bad as people pretend they are.Exactly.>pre-woke eraNot so sure about that, they expanded Galadriel's role in the story, invented Tauriel and Bard's wife and daughters and some towns women went from just mentions to actual characters. This because they wanted there to be more female characters, not sure if an attempt to just appeal to a broader audience (not necessarily woke), being more "PC" (probably woke), or they really just wanted more characters to fill in the extend runtime (the studio wanting to milk the franchise some more). I remember there being "criticism" or Tolkien's books lacking female characters from feminists so there's something woke to adding female characters and expanding the role of the already present ones in order to appease these groups, however I can agree whatever wokeness there is, is nowhere near 2020's levels of woke.
>>214564749lil bro out here simping for studio execs like they gonna fuck him lmao
>>214562474it's a complete cringe shitfest garbage of a trilogy PJ should've killed himself over this
>>214561432The animated Rankin/Bass film was good.
>>214571344>>214562565>>214564316my niggasThe Rankin/Bass Hobbit is a million times better than the shitty Jackson trilogy.
I think most of the hobbit movies are good,It just needed someone there to say "calm the fuck down Peter' now and again and it would have been fine, which is a shame.
>>214563635>wineglass filling intensifies
I'm glad that obese Mexican fuck didn't get the rights. He would have made some weird "I'm making it my own way" retarded hackjob. Jackson was the right guy for the job.
>>214561432M4 edit is good
>>214561432It's a shit book and the only good scene is riddles in the dark. There's way too many dwarves for any serious kind of connection for the reader, and Smaug is killed by a random guy barely introduced in the last few pages. The chapter with the trolls is also quite good, but the final few chapters are confusing and rushed.
>>214563635>Lindsay EllisI'll never listen to her opinion.
Obligatory soundtrack https://youtu.be/b7o4ZQ4v7pg?feature=shared
>>214573149MovieBob's Overthinker Sagas are Kino. Better than anything Linkara or even Douge made. I'm undecided if it's better than the best of Based Brad's work though.
>>214562038There was one
>>214564749It was WB who pushed him for 3 you fucking brainlet. Of course Jackson is going to say it was his idea he's their employee and there's billions at stake. Not to mention he'd effectively end any future possible projects with WB as well. Why do cunts take shit at face value? Generation of gullible naive fuckwits.
Can someone with a popcorninbed patreon please give me the link to Lost in Translation please. Kimono is on a break. Thanks in advanced
