>Told to wrap up all principle photography by end of year>Told to wrap up all post production by August next year.>Next 3 shows cancelled (Archer, TOS remake, Legacy)>Already moving onto Trek stuff without Kurtzman or Secret Hideout IP (Lego, Nick toddler shit, Khan audio series)>Skydance signalled they want to move in a compeltely different direction with Star Trek (could be monkey paw though).Looks like the Kurtzman Era of trek is finally coming to an end. How do you think this era o Trek will be remembered?
>>214578187SNW and Lower Decks are incredibly kino
>>214578187The premise for the Archer show sounded interesting. It might work without Kurtzman.
>>214578187I suspect, much like the continual Kathleen rumours, the usual grifters just say this for clicks.
I want to believe you, but OP is always a retarded lying faggot who's "news" about big franchises/IPs is always wrong. How many times has kathleen kennedy been definitely getting fired this decade?
>>214578187>Told to wrap up all principle photography by end of year>Told to wrap up all post production by August next year.Oh yeah? We have still one and a half seasons of SNW before us. 2 full seasons of Starfleet Academy and there is still the live action Risa comedy. Skydance wants to make more movies, so expect more JJ-style slop.
>>214578221Political show with modern liberal writers would be just unrelenting sucking off the Democrats. None of the writers get really the Military-socialist worldview of Trek. Unironically a Trek politics show would probably be best written by Chinese scifi writer like Liu Cixin. Wandering Earth 2 felt more like Star Trek and how the Federation used to be presented, than modern Trek.
There was no way they were surviving blowing so much fucking money on Section 31.
Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to give creative control over Star Trek to the writer of the Transformers movies?
>>214578419>no you don't understand only chinks do, not even roddenberrysuck my dick chang
>>214578187>TOS remake from KurtzmanDid he want to get punched in the face whenever he was in front of another person? Goddamn...
honestly, of all the things they could do, an Enterprise followup isn't the worst idea. The show ended kind of prematurely, and wasn't so long ago that the cast are haggard.Also less to ruin, because the show wasn't that good.
>>214578209shut up, woke demon scum
>>214578542They just have to continue the Enterprise timeline.Which was literally about to enter the Earth Romulan war,there's nothing more Kino than that!And all new cast!Pretty much everybody of the old Trek cast has proven to be woke retards and nobody needs that anymore.
>>214578221It'd just be Scott Bakula and Jeffrey Combs shittalking Vulcans for an hour while drinking before the cameras even roll.
>>214578187>Looks like the Kurtzman Era of trek is finally coming to an endI don't buy it, and not just because you misspelt "principal photography". Has Kurtzman been fired? Have they announced a parting of ways with Secret Hideout? Have they declared everything post-Enterprise to be non-canon? Have they announced a new series set post-Voyager (and which won't be helmed by some subversive jew)? Will they reintroduce the "open script submissions" policy of the TNG era? The first four at least need to happen for there to be any chance of a Trek revival, and at best, I think we'll only get the first two - neither of which has yet occurred.tl;dr Star Trek is dead, there'll probably never be any good Trek again, and you're wasting our time.
>>214578881they technically made a post-Voyager series. It's just that it was Picard. And then two cartoons that no one really asked for.What they need to do is establish a "universe B", which is literally just everything from TOS to Voyager, and maybe Enterprise (but who the fuck cares, really?), and then start again. No destruction of Romulus, no stupid JJ Abrams aesthetic, or new Borg Queen, or whatever the fuck happened in Picard.
>>214578209SAD NEWS: SNW shit the bed this season.
The aesthetic of Star Trek also needs to be built around the basic principle that this is a real place where people live and work. It's not Star Wars or Warhammer 40k, or some kind of Y2K music video. Star Trek ships are simultaneously impressive, and boring. It's like visiting a really nice office on board a cruise ship.
>>214578187>TOS remakeDidn't they already do a movie trilogy with this exact same premise?What purpose would a full TV reboot serve?
>>214578187It's truly telling that this little faggot keeps intentionally shitting on the saga, has received constant backlash for it, shit ratings, and if Im not mistaken most of the projects made little to no money, yet they STILL give him stuff to do. How?
>>214579144It's stupid because they only care for the character names not for the actual setting. Any show in that era would have no technological constraints and eventually get a holodeck like SNW already did. Because REMEMBER STAR TREK?
>>214579202Rape (((Moonvess))) always hated Trek and canceled Enterprise right when it was getting goodwhen he got #metoo'd he found his jew buddy Abrams who hated Trek just as much and made sure Bad Robot got a nuclear bunker safe contract to shit up Trek for life
I'm 95% sure they're rebooting TOS with this guy at the helm and spock, since they're super popular
>>214579273Define "super popular".
>>214578962>SAD NEWS: SNW shit..>NEWSR U retard?everybody knew that
>>214579289"Least Hated"
>>214579289Nutrek fag likes them.
>>214578944They could call it whatever they liked, but yeah, everything from the JJ shit on needs to excised from the canon. And ideally that (actually decent) post-Voyager series would focus on an entirely new set of characters, aside from maybe the odd cameo (putting aside their insufferable wokeness, most of the 80s/90s lot are getting too old now anyway). Personally I'd have loved to see Benjamin Maxwell somewhat exonerated after the Dominion War, and the Federation weakened/fracturing due to the heavy losses, and then slowly rebuilding, with a contrast between the happy-clappy, Prime Directive-y liberalism of the past and a greater emphasis on realpolitik/militarism. So it'd be like episode-of-the-week TNG, but with less room for fucking around, since the Federation is no longer clearly the top dog. Almost like a cross between TNG and Enterprise in that respect. But all of this is pointless. Star Trek is done, sadly.
>>214579289Spocks a twink and Kirk is the vampire dairies guytheyre also super gay chemistry on screen so go figure
I've always thought Kurtzman either has big time dirt on someone very high up or he has some sort of nepotism based safety net that prevents him getting fired. But he's been in charge of this for so long that he's likely outlived most execs at Paramount. So why? Why has he been kept around for 16 years at this point? So bizarre
>>214579408He's one of the JJ Abrams crowd, and they're jews. It's as simple as that.
>>214578187Star Trek has been over for 25 years...Now try a bowl of my delicious Leola root stew.I made it fresh just for you crewman!
>>214578187Star Trek will literally never be Star Trek again because of DEI writing rooms, which is pretty ironic. Star Trek morality led to Star Trek's demise.
>>214579473
>>214578187Overall I don't hate the past 16 years (jesus fucking christ!) Of TrekIt's problems are mostly problems with modern film in general (everything has to be MOVING FAST and EXCITING at all times)There was good stuff in the Kelvin films and Disco/Lower Decks/SNW.The Picard show can get fucked tho.
>>214578387>and there is still the live action Risa comedyThe what nowWhat the fuck
>>214579273Rumour is it got knocked down, along with The Archer West Wing show and Legacy.
>>214579495If he hated Charlie Kirk for his zionism, that would be based and actually edgy. Alas, he's just expressing his agreement with the one set of opinions Hollywood people are allowed to have.
>>214578187Is the Section 31 film really that bad?
>>214579539>The untitled series would be a workplace comedy set on a vacation planet outside of the Federation, set in the early 25th century after the events of Star Trek: Picard. Earlier this year, Newsome confirmed with TrekMovie she would also star in the workplace comedy, likely playing a new character due to its setting, describing the show as “Federation outsiders and what’s kind of the nitty-gritty involved with joining the Federation.” Newsome also feels the post-Picard setting allows “all of our legacy actors” the opportunity to be part of the show without having to do any digital de-aging, and just “show up with their real faces.”https://trekmovie.com/2025/08/09/tawny-newsome-gives-live-action-star-trek-comedy-update-talks-injecting-canon-into-starfleet-academy/
>>214579508>DiscoShill spotted. No real person calls it that.
I think the Picard show will get remembered, but everything else will be quickly forgotten. Not that Picard was good, mind you, but just like the movies it has buyin because of its cast
>>214578387Both final seasons of SNW are closed to finished filming now along with Starfleet Academy already in post-production.Legacy was the next show they were supposed to work on, along with the new Kirk TOS show but both failed to get greenlit, along with the Archer West Wing show.
>>214579588It's so bad, it's not even good again.
>>214578457>racism outside of /b/
>>214579508Giving the benefit of the doubt and completely discounting the dreadful storytelling, casting, acting... JJ's juvenile visual style infected all of that nu-trek.He was a director who purposefully introduced the photographic flaw of lens flair into all of his projects because it totally heckin looks cool and sci-fi.Every star trek show looks worse due to his influence.
>>214579590Ew
>>214579508>Overall I don't hate the past 16 years (jesus fucking christ!) Of TrekWell, then you're wrong.>DiscoTelling. It's all shit, and this semi-defence is because you're a Colbert-enjoying type who doesn't want to acknowledge that. Doesn't matter, though. It's done. I'm sure there'll be more stuff called "Star Trek", but none of it will be any good.
>>214579601>Legacy was the next show they were supposed to work onlmao no, Kurtzman was never letting that happen, he's too much of a spiteful, evil little man
>>214579508it's called STD you dumb tranny
>>214578881>Has Kurtzman been fired?According this this guy, who has been correct on most Trek rumours in the past. Yes. He's been to pack his bags and leave by Christmas break.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVR1zNCUwUQ
>>214579473Voyager did have its merits.
>>214579661I'll believe it when it's actually been announced. And even then, as I said earlier, several more things would need to happen for there to be a chance of a Trek revival. And I don't seem them all happening without Hollywood first being de-jewed, frankly.
>>214579714*don't see
>>214578187Khan is Secret Hideout tho
>>214579661He says in the comments that Kurtzman needs to be out of the studio by Christmas, that the contract with Kurtzman doesn't end until late next year.
>>214579588nobody really knows because actually no one watched it
I hate how Discovery botched the "1000 years into the future Federation is gone and you left to pick up the pieces" idea. I believe it would've been absolutely great in competent hands. It's even worse than Voyager botching a "Federation ship lost in a deep space 70 years away from home, now it's the ultimate test of their skills and morality", and it turned out to be a tired discount copy of TNG, which I would still take any day before whatever the fuck Discovery tried to be.
>>214579588Got about 20 minutes in until I couldn't stand it anymore.
>>214578209i agree that LD is kino but >>214578962 is right: SNW was just orville-tier mediocre
>>214578440kurtzman has survived worse, his whole career is like a long list of "he can't get any more work after this"
>>214579714They'll bring back "dependable" Trek alumni like Nicholas Meyer, Bryan Fuller, Ronald D Moore and Ira Steven Behr to make new Star Trek, and everyone will rejoice, but they'll be too Hollywood-brained to make anything that fits most regular people's conception of Star Trek and fill it with untenable, obnoxiously progressive, audience-shedding ideas barely any better than what they were making during the Kurtzman era...I just don't think it's possible to make something new and fresh while also satisfying old Trek fans' demands
>>214579484It's more that with the USSR gone, nobody actually remembers Socialist futurism and now associates ""progressiveness"" with fucking Tumblr shit and Demonrats and the "CURRENT THING".Western Socialism was completely and totally defeated and what is left is a bunch of Neolib Pomo Troons wearing it's dead skin in some grotesque masqurade.
>>214579833>LDVelma-tier generic lesbian adult animationget better standards retard
>>214579853>but they'll be too Hollywood-brained to make anything that fits most regular people's conception of Star Trek and fill it with untenable, obnoxiously progressive, audience-shedding ideas barely any better than what they were making during the Kurtzman era...Did you see the S8 idea they came up with for the DS9 documentary. NuTrek through and through. Also go watch BSG again, it literally is just NuTrek, arguably even worse than Disco.That said, For All Mankind at points feels like classic Trek, but it's still completely modern Hollywood pozzed.
>>214578209I tried SNW and only made it a couple episodes. Its current day slop with the Star Trek logo slapped on.
>>214579853Yep. These days it'd take a non-jew/non-shabbos goy, unhindered by studio interference, to produce a Star Trek show that wasn't shot through with all the shit that plagues, well, everything else Hollywood now produces. Hence we're not going to get that.
>>214579897That's how I was with it. SNW felt like they got the memo that people just want regular Star Trek and they even had some conception of what regular Star Trek is and attempted to make it in earnest... but they're just too untalented to create it.Best thing about the entire production was the Enterprise sets, except they're completely wrong for what the Enterprise (or any Federation ship in that era) should look like so onto the trash it goes.
Modern writers are obsessed with individualist characters and melodrama, they can't write ensemble "team" stories for the life of them.Look at how modern Western hollywood writers seethed at Shin Godzilla for being an ensemble with no "main character".Watch Star Trek Continues, which is from just before Covid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCBuaTnDsQsand SNW and you can see the worlds of difference between writing styles. Star Trek continues, feels like classic Trek in every concievable way, Modern Trek feels like a teenage relationship melodrama/sitcom that takes place in Star Trek like setting.
>>214579853>They'll bring back "dependable" Trek alumni like Nicholas Meyer, Bryan Fuller, Ronald D Moore and Ira Steven Behr to make new Star Trek, and everyone will rejoice, but they'll be too Hollywood-brained to make anything that fits most regular people's conception of Star Trek and fill it with untenable, obnoxiously progressive, audience-shedding ideas barely any better than what they were making during the Kurtzman era...Well, Behr himself said that he regrets not going even more progressive in DS9, like making Garak and Bashir gay couple. Besides, "regular people's conception of Star Trek" had changed too, episodes like Far Beyond the Stars nowadays would be discarded as too "woke" and "preachy", while back in the day they were considered as crème de la crème of Star Trek. It's like with The Lord of the Rings adaptations: in 2002 nobody except 3.5 nerds gave a damn that Arwen Undómiel replaced Glorfindel (who's pretty significant character in the Legendarium) when saving Frodo from nazgûl, then only a handful of people grumbled in 2013 about completely original "female Legolas" character written specifically for Evangeline Lilly, but nowadays everyone and their mother has something bad to say about TRoP's Galadriel, and let's be honest, it's not just because she's horrendously miscast. God, I hate Murrican culture wars, not only they bad enough by themselves, they also tend to spillover all around the world, and now everything is covered in its residue of blind and stubborn stupidity.
>>214580058>Shin Godzilla >no "main character".The main character of the movie is Godzilla, are these people retarded or something?
>>214580058>Modern writers are obsessed with individualist characters and melodrama, they can't write ensemble "team" stories for the life of them.Literally the biggest box office hits of the past decade were ensemble team stories.
>>214579271>Rape (((Moonvess))) always hated Trek>he found his jew buddy Abrams who hated Trek just as much and made sure Bad Robot got a nuclear bunker safe contract to shit up Trek for lifeBut why? It's illogical.
>>214580273Still had main character though.
>>214578187>new non-Kurtzman stuff like the Khan audio serieskek you mean the one that says Kirk knew Seti Alpha 5 was wrecked and that he sent Khan there on purpose because he's... evil, I guess?It's more Kirsten Beyer fucking trash. Just a sign that nothing is going to change at all.
Just give me Horatio Hornblower in space, is it really so fucking hard
>>214580188>The main character of the movie is Godzilla,Hollywood for some reason doesn't understand that. Though they do know he's a draw based on how they put him first in the Godzilla x Kong movie
>>214578187i would not be glad until he dies from cold on some street living like a hobo for a least few years.
>>214580347Remind me, who was the main character of Infinity War?
>>214580409Thanos
>>214578187A TOS remake would be the most pozzed thing imaginable. Wokies always cite Star Trek when talking about regressive gender stereotypes and white male power fantasies. I bet they would have gone full circle and made Kirk a live action Zapp Brannigan. A clueless dope who always needs a woman to save him.
>>214580409It was absolutely Thanos, lmao, how can you not realise that
>>214580392You won't get that from Hollywood, but I'm working on a book with that as an element. I trust you'll buy it when I'm done, anon.
>>214580420>>214580475Thanos is more like an abstract idea (Malthusianism) or even a force of nature, rather than a character.
>>214580404He'll never be poor and he'll never get what he fucking deserves. On the other hand, he'll go to his grave with the knowledge that he played life on easy mode, and never had any talent.
>>214580556No he won't, he'll never know that, even if you told him to his face, his ego won't let him hear you.
>>214580578He'd never admit it to anyone, and maybe not even to himself, but unless he's a retard (and I don't think he is) he must know deep down - and that'll strike him at the end. Or maybe I'm just projecting my humanity onto a soulless alien, I dunno.
>New Trek Show ideaAssuming the writing room/decision makers ever gets fixed(kek). What about a show following the Enterprise C? Thoughts?
>>214580653A show about young Picard leading the Stargazer that’s just mediocre enough to watch before bed. Yes, I know it will be another “We have TNG at home!” But we’ll probably get another Trek that hits as hard as TNG/DS9 at their peak.
>>214580684*probably never
>>214580653>What about a show following the Enterprise C? Thoughts?What's going to set is apart from TOS/TNG?
>>214580653i remember there was TOS episode with a ship looking similar to Defiant so it would be cool if we had a show about one of those.
>>214578187I don't think this queer has any ideals, these new treks are so morally bereft
>>214580729>What's going to set is apart from TOS/TNG?Two words: Women Captain
>>214580653Fuck off Kurtzman, we ain't giving you ideas to save your ass! You've had close to a decade to listen to feedback and turn your shit around!
>>214580785They’re creatively bereft too. It’s all gimmicks, girlbosses and Member Berries. Funny how one of the best Star Trek adventures was all about how you need to take risks and set yourself apart. Kurtzman Era Trek is basically the alternate universe mediocre Picard from Tapestry.
>>214580653I don't think I can tolerate a "lost era" show with everyone wearing the Wrath of Khan outfits without the turtlenecks, it always looked fucking stupid
>>214578209Kys
No more prequel shows for the love of fucking god.And just set Kurtzman NuTrek entirely in a fucking alt dimension, including Shitard. Honestly just pull some of the stuff and setting from Star Trek Online and set it in the mid-late 24th century.
>>214578209reddit slop
>>214580321>It's illogical.evil has its own logic
>>214580729>What's going to set is apart from TOS/TNG?Actual all out war with the Klingons
>>214580684>But we’ll probably get another Trek that hits as hard as TNG/DS9 at their peak.No, we won't because the U.S. has a dying selfish nihilistic society that's too caught up in its own problems; it's not fit to make a proper Star Trek media, and even if by some miracle there is a person to actually "get it", it would be discarded by both "left" and "right".
>>214580785>these new treks are so morally bereftThey have to be. Old Treks are conservative by today's standards.
>>214579866>Demonrats>Western Socialism was completely and totally defeatedamerican mindrot
How do people, especially on 4chan, stand watching Lower Decks? It's one of the most obnoxious things I have ever seen. It's just constant yelling with Trek references spliced in. Unbearable "millennial dialogue" and random curse words.
>>214580930True. 20th century Trek was made when most people believed their children would grow up in a better world than they grew up in. That hasn’t been the case for about 20 years now.
>>214581044>How do people, especially on 4chan, stand watching Lower Decks?There are trannies on 4chan too. They have an entire board. We also have an entire board dedicated to lesbian faggotry. Put two and two together.
>>214578187>LegacyThis is how I know you're lying. Legacy was never greenlit, it's just Matalas' fantasy.
The rumor is that Trek is going to be handed off to Terry Matalas as Showrunner by Skydance.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_MatalasAlso you have to look at Skydance's catalogue to see they aren't exactly the fucking best studio when it comes to deep writing. They mostly produce generic rah rah USA USA hoo haa action slop.
>>214581093You guys are going overboard on the copium.
>>214578187>Skydance signalled they want to move in a completely different direction with Star TrekThey want JJ back to make his version of TNG, people have wanted it for years even before Beyond was released
>>214581147>They want JJ backbullshitJJ is literally blackballed in the industry for being utter shite and incompetentwhich is almost unheard of to happen to a (((tribesman)))he's that shit
>>214578209
The star trek fanbase would apparently rather their beloved franchise died out than exist in a form different to what they loved in the past.I've been watching SNW. I thought the singing episode was a challenge but this season has lost me. I love science fiction and I like the trek franchise. I accept that it will change beyond recognition and appeal to what younger people like. I think to create something truly timeless is better for long term popularity, so contemporary music or lingo is a disaster but only time will tell. it's better than no trek.
>>2145812021965-2005
>>214581194>>214578209>>214579833
>>214581044>inb4 "it's a comedy"Old Trek could be hilarious without the characters saying "God you're such a dick, you asshole!" or breaking the fourth wall in such impossible ways
>>214581239NO
Why do people want Matalas so much, Picard is arguably the 3 worst seasons of Trek ever fucking produced.
>>214581269all Trek post 2005 is non Canon.
>>214581044The one thing Lower Decks has going for it is it's made by people who actually know and like Star Trek. It's also terribly obnoxious and unfunny but with Star Trek in the state it's in right now people are starving and for some of them, it'll do.It's kinda crazy something that looks like an uninspired Rick and Morty clone also understands what Star Trek is supposed to look like the most out of all of nu-trek.
>>214581179You're not going to suggest Kurtzman was good, are you
>>214581247>God you're such a dick, you assholeRemember when character in Star Trek looked down on profanity? Good days.
>>214580789Well, I'm all in favour of female captains: in fact I had my own fanfic idea about this young female captain who's bright, passionate, enthusiastic and a fast thinker, but also prone to making rash decisions and an absolute pessimist when she meets the slightest problems, and she's accompanied by her first mate — an old level-headed wise and a bit eccentric man with a good sense of humour who was actually an admiral at some point, but was demoted on his own volition. But that's not original enough.>>214580921Another Dominion War? Besides, Klingons aren't that interesting as adversaries. The Dominion was interesting in theory: multicultural quasi-caste authoritarian empire that exists with a single purpose — to protect its founders; it's literally THE ideological foil to the Federation. But what are Klingons?
>>214581202>rather their beloved franchise died out than exist in a formtotally perverted and inverted from the original ethos?correctthe perverted sickness must be burned to ashes if it cannot be cut out
>>214581316Stuff like Rick & Morty really had a detrimental effect on television
>>214581294>who actually know and like Star TrekBullshit. It's made by people who just comb Memory Alpha for references. They admitted so themselves.
>>214581260eventually you will be made to
>>214581294>The one thing about having Cancer Aids in the Ass is the fact you've become a factory for life like mother earth is
>>214581345Its cancelled, Anon, All of It!!!! No one watches this Garbage.
>>214581308of course not, they are literally the sameeven if they hate each other's guts now, which is normal behavior for these people
>>214581269He only really had full control over season 3, and even then he was hamstrung by a lack of budget and what had come before. Like he could handwave away what they did with the Borg in season 2 but couldn't handwave all of it. The parts that are good about season 3 people like in spite of the rest of it.Personally I felt the ending with the renaming of the Titan to Enterprise-G and teasing a new show that won't get made irresponsibly indulgent
>>214581269Matalas is only responsible for Season 3, right?Which is regarded as the only TV since Enterprise with a semblance to real Trek.So that sounds encouraging.Klutzman literally made him flee because he did some actual Trek that he couldn't pervert even in post production.
>>214581325I get youI like what we would call classic trek, with voyager as the end point. I would prefer trek exists in some form, so that kids can find their way back to the classic trek. Maybe they will like it? Maybe not. But dead franchises get forgotten. No kids are like hey lets watch classic babylon 5
No way Kurtzman keeps Trek. Ellison said that Star trek is his top priority and apparently he's a massive Trekkie according to previous Trek actors like Pegg and Pine.There was a bunch of Pitches as well but I don't think any got the greenlit.Legacy, United, some fucking office sitcom, Year One (TOS remake), Worf.
>>2145814271965-2005 RIP
>>214581403That whole season felt like his own personal fanfic and even had a Gary Stu in the form of Picard's sonIt was on the extreme opposite side of the nutrek spectrum
FOUNDATION shows what could be - and there is already material for itwhat will be: another prequel zommer kiddie show>but this time it will be better! we promise!
They need to fucking move away from fucking legacy characters for fuck sake. Late 24th century show that focuses largely on diplomacy and geopolitics with twilight zone mysteries here and there like TNG or DS9 for the love of fucking god. I don't give a single flying fuck about "strange new worlds" what the fuck happened after the Dominion War? What are the Romulans doing? what are the Klingons or Cardassians doing? What are the Breen, Gorn or Orions doing? The only Legacy character that has any right to return in maybe a story as part of a larger show is fucking Sisko and Jake and simply because that plot line was never concluded.NO MORE PREQUELS FOR THE LOVE OF FUCKING GOD.
>>214581472>FOUNDATIONThe books were really good, even newer ones. Basically Gibbon's Decline and Fall in space, which is always a plus in my book. I haven't watched the show, but I heard it's awful.
>>214581545>What are the Romulans doing?Recovering from their sun exploding
>>214581545>They need to fucking move away from fucking legacy characters for fuck sake.I couldn't agree more. Star Trek (and sci-fi in general) aren't about characters, it's about "charting the unknown possibilities of existence" and how we as part of humanity are prepared (or not prepared) to encounter them.
>>214581611That plot needs to be retconned. Its so fucking dumb.
>>214581556>Basically Gibbon's Decline and Fall in spaceyepp, and that's where ST should gowe seen the expansion of the Federation, now it's time for the decline>I haven't watched the show, but I heard it's awful.guess it, it slowly gets betterseason 1 5/10season 2 5/10season 3 6/10
>>214581640I disagree. It was an interesting idea, but woefully executed by NuTrek simpleton writers.
Why do the Romulans hold so much space while the Vulcans hold so little?
Romulans were already fucked by Cardassians being developed to largely take over Romulan role for DS9. It was originally supposed to be the Romulans who had controlled Bajor. I think a more interesting development for the Romulans, would have been to have the empire split with a reformist Unification Romulan/Vulcan republic, and the Romulan Empire that doubles down on it's attitudes. There is so much also to explore more with the other Trek races. For example, what about the other races in the Klingon or Romulan or Cardassian empires? Why don't we see Klingon sub races despite apparently making up 60% of crew on Klingon ships with Klingons taking officer roles. Why have we only seen the Remans as the only subrace of Romulans? Wait, what the fuck even happened to the Remans after the sun exploded?
>>214581756Vulcan territories were absorbed into the Federation dumbass.
>>214581640>That plot needs to be retconned. Its so fucking dumbIt doesn't really, all they need to do is remind the writers that the Romulans were a vast, presumably colonialist, empire, and would frankly recover fairly quickly from losing their homeworld.
>>214581202>exist in a form different to what they loved in the pastYes, similar to how what I just ate will soon "exist in a form different to what I loved in the past". It's shit, and you have no standards.
>>214581706Personally I would've gone for more post-apocalyptic approach: a Federation ship from slightly post-Voyager era gets into the distant future and finds that not only most of the Galaxy are in shambles run by warring factions and empires, but the Federation itself is considered as the utmost and unspeakable evil, with its insignias being as feared and hated as Swastikas and double Victory runes in real world; so they not only have to unite the Federation once again, but find out how could they become so evil in the first place.
>>214581888The whole Romulus being destroyed killed the Empire idea is to be honest the reason why it needs retconned because the writers are too retarded to make it work.It's like if the Federation lost Earth. Yes its a blow but they've got several major core worlds to fallback on, Vulcan, Tellar and Andoria for starters!
>>214581706>>214581902Also, while Foundation/Clifford D. Simak's City/Olaf Stapledon's Last and First Men approach of modelling a futuristic human society on a grand scale of thousands or even millions of years would also be interesting, I believe not it requires a one-of-a-kind imagination, it also wouldn't be liked by many people, because some things are better to never reveal. I still cling to the idea that Q in the end of All Good Things was about to reveal that humanity IS Q (or at least are a part of Q continuum), and while I realise it's not bloody likely, I still don't want to get an explicit confirmation of that.
>>214578187just make a new show set after tng/ds9, a proper sequel, start it off with picards funeral that is interrupted when androids attack the utopia planitia shipyards on mar's surface and they refuse to bury picard because androids attacked mars and then a mysterious borg cube shows up helmed by romulans and data's clone daughter wants to destroy the universe.that be geat wouldn't it? But honestly, kurtzman did a tremendous amount of damage to the lore, so either retcon it all or reboot the entire damn thing.
No to any destroyed Federation timeline.Star Trek is the only major Utopian Futurist "Socialistic" Scifi franchise that exists. If people want fucking "fallen federation" shit, they can go watch 40k stuff or The Expanse or Alien or any other grim and miserable scifi franchises out there.The Federation should always be a grounded utopia and the best of what we can be.
>>214581950But Romulan Empire was an actual Empire: a centralized authoritarian society with military and secret services essentially running the damn thing. It is much more vulnerable to such cataclysms because the power is concentrated in a single place, while it isn't the case with the Federation. And even if the Empire is robust enough to survive the destruction of Romulus by itself, it would surely exacerbate already existing divisions between military and Tal Shiar, not to mention pro-Vulcan movement.
>>214578187>TOS remake
>>214582134Star Trek is explicitly not a socialist future though, anon. It's a fully post-scarcity society where concepts like "capitalism" and "socialism" are irrelevant. It is like calling us a hunter-gatherer society because technically, at some point in the food supply chain, somebody is still picking fruit and killing animals.I don't think Star Trek successfully demonstrates how a society could exist without some concept of money (after all, somebody still gets prime Central Park real estate). But arguing about that is so completely not.tbe point of Star Trek that it's not worth getting into. The series will never deliver a satisfying explanation of its social system and shouldn't - the point is that it's literally utopia and in some ways is an unattainable ideal we can't achieve in real life. But that we should still strive to attain it.
>>214581894>what I just ateok well it was your last trek meal, enjoy it
>>214578209No. SNW could have been great but it's a squandered prequelitis-suffering heap. The first season had its moments, so it's sad, but the show sucks. Season 3 managed to have a single good episode.
>>214582134>The Federation should always be a grounded utopia and the best of what we can be.No. Star Trek is in dire need of exploring what actually makes it an utopia. It is no longer enough to just say that humanity "grew up from its infancy" and get along with each other, because it's a gross oversimplification that is actually hurtful in the long run. DS9 tried to do so, but IMO failed in that regard, because I believe that you can be saint even outside of paradise. Star Trek needs and deserves an introspection, especially in this day and age, anything else is just an escapist attempt to bury your head into the sand, which OK for fantasy, but is not fitting for science fiction.
>>214582134The only reason the Federation should fall is out of an idealogical conflict which causes a bunch of member planets to choose to Brexit themselves out of it.Fexit.
>>214578387>Skydance wants to make more movies, so expect more JJ-style slop.I actually wonder what Star Trek means to Skydance if they managed to purchase WBD like they want to.
>>214578209>>214579833LD is shit, the art style alone is vomit inducing
>>214581417This is a retarded opinion because if a thing continues existing in forms that are ever more unlike the original versions, eventually that thing will be more associated with that mass of newer shit over those originals, so "kids" won't find their way to anything they'll just consoom what they think of as Star Trek: the horrifying mangled mutated shitpile it gets made into.
>>214578187And then anon woke up. Who is your source? Doomcuck? Lmao
>>214581706>now it's time for the declineIf I could manifest my wishes into reality, you and every subhuman, subnormal, sub-50IQ faggot like you would be slowly boiling alive in a pot filled with your own waste, your eyes being consumed by parasitic wasps, your mouth stuffed with your own castrated genitals, and my magic wish powers would keep you alive in that state for eternity, and it would *still* be less agony than you fucking deserve.Just fuck off back to 40K already you hateful cunts, leave *one fucking thing* in all of creation that gets to be optimistic and positive.
>>214582351hey just letting a franchise die out means it will never be good againit's not likely to ever return to 90s level of greatness but it could be good one day. but not if it fucking dies you moronie: most star wars is total shit but andor exists. maybe because the magic users were excluded it was great. if you want trek to just die you are preventing the trek andor
>>214578187they rushed to get strange new worlds to 5 seasons and have to film on a rough schedule. theres talks of cancelling the 5th season already. Apparently Academy has been going really bad and again has a fast shooting schedule. its all coming to an end and the plan is to do a full on reboot but SNW might actually stop that since people dont want TOS.id say its more likely they are starting with Enterprise.
>>214582236>It's a fully post-scarcity society where concepts like "capitalism" and "socialism" are irrelevant.This is a very Hegelian/Marxist outlook, where historical process has its own internal logic and historical formations like "feudalism", "capitalism" and "socialism", and will inevitably transform into a post-scarcity classless society, which Marx would've called "communism". But I don't subscribe to that idea, because pre-Revolution French women in general had more kids than they owned pairs of shoes or stockings, which is not the case with modern womankind, but for some reason I believe that they're equally unhappy. It's not all about material needs.
>>214582248Well, my simile only works in the narrow way I used it. (Actual) Trek as a whole isn't like food, because there's enough of it that you can re-consume it again after a while without (necessarily) being bored. In other words, I don't need new "Trek" to enjoy another Trek meal.
>>214582431How can you be so hate-filled in your desire to get an optimistic and positive utopia?
>>214582541A "President Archer" show is supposedly what they've been pushing for
>>214578209To everyone saying SNW is bad, you're a contrarian nerd that hates new things. It's enjoyable. It has episodes with aliens and heroes. The "meta" episodes it has are actually really well done and show how Velma trying to be "meta" was libslop. As the biggest most based chud in this room, it took all the way until season 3 for there to be a noticeably annoying libtard episode where Kirk is all "Yes honey I'll sleep on the couch, sorry for annoying you." It took 3 seasons to get to that. The first non-serial episode was about how religious people are based and need to be allowed to practice their religion.>captcha:KRKKM
>>214582294That's basically my thinking with this idea... >>214579374...except I wouldn't have it fall; just fracture and decline temporarily. I can imagine the massive death toll in the Dominion War causing many Fed citizens (the majority of whom may just be neets with a replicator) to question the merits of being part of this giant alliance, and turn towards Terra Prime-style isolationism. But that wouldn't be the whole show; just the starting point for/backdrop to "TNG, but tougher" adventures. Anyway, we're all wasting time devoting any creative energy to this dead-horse-in-a-dumpster-fire of an IP.
>>214582785>It's enjoyable"Enjoyable" doesn't mean good Star Trek. Picard season 3 was enjoyable, but it wasn't good, especially if one were to forget first two seasons and other KurtzmanTrek unmitigated disasters.
>>214578457NTA. If anything it's because the Chinese have this rigid fairytale worldview that is in-line with Trek. Part of Trek is the fairytale "post scarcity" of matter replicators. Like how the fairytale of the Chinese mind is "All will be provided if I just scrape and serve more and more," coupled with "Everyone follows the rules to the point that society looks like this sanitized thing because everyone MUST be in line."That being said, I'm racist to the point that a lot of Asians in America are just jews at this point. They're not bloodthirsty monsters like the swarthoids but they are shifty and subversive.
STD already did the "future sucks ass, the Federation collapsed" plot and it was retarded as hell
>>214578187Do an ENT season 5 which should be Star Trek meets Twin Peaks: The Return. TCW shenanigans cause the crew to age up but remain in the same time. Do the Earth v Romulan arc. Use the TCW to decanonize the entire Kurtzman era. This is what I would do if I was given control.
>>214582785It's largely shallow and uninspired. Where are the original scifi plots?
>>214582865That's because the writers themselves were retarded. The idea is not, and it was actually conceived by Roddenberry himself: remember Andromeda (which was formally titled Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda, BTW).
>>214578209>SNW and Lower Decks are incredibly kinoYes, sister! LOW really helped me get through transitioning. Thanks to Alex Kurtzman and Mike McMahan I became a real woman, just like you did!
>>214582844As a Star Trek normie, for all of the 10s no one cared about Trek. The movies are what fans complained about and even the good parts that normies like were because it was essentially a Marvel spectacle. Then comes Discovery with its niggers. Never watched it. No one liked it. Everyone talked about how it's jewslop. It's been decanonized (Thank God). Lower Decks was middle of the ground. Quirky in a good way but kind of faggy.Trek has not been a "thing" for 15 years. SNW is the first thing to put it back on the map in that time. That's okay. That's a good thing. >>214582890I can't remember too much of the plots, to me it's something /comfy/ to put on. I don't watch tons of stuff on my second monitor to game, but I put SNW BECAUSE it's Trek, actual Trek. There's cons about SNW, but oh well, it's okay. Enterprise was "okay" and it's better than Discovery and Lower Decks.
>>214582915Except Andromeda was shit. And it had almost nothing to do with Roddenberry, aside from some basic premise. Dude was dead for years before the show started filming. Same with Earth: Final Conflict. Majel Berret really redefined the term "golddigger". Usually this happens before the husband dies, not after.
>>214579508I don't necessarily hate all of it, but it sure isn't Star Trek, and the more they dig their heels in, the more it just kind of doesn't work.For what they are, I kind of like the Abrams trilogy of movies. I just wish they didn't form the entire stylistic foundation of every subsequent series (even the TNG revival, which by all accounts really ought to look like TNG).I don't completely hate Lower Decks. It's fine, but it's kind of staining the franchise by being an official part of it, and I liked it more when it was called Futurama.Strange New Worlds is like whatever. It's inoffensive, but it's still not what I want. It looks wrong visually, and the characters aren't very good. I don't think I've seen an episode with a really killer plot, as opposed to just a lot of okayness. We're almost back to Enterprise territory with this one, at least. Just kind of bland cardboard Star Trek, that is neither good or bad.
>>214583014>Trek has not been a "thing" for 15 years. SNW is the first thing to put it back on the mapThat hasn't happened
>>214583014>SNW is the first thing to put it back on the map in that time. That's okay. That's a good thing.Star Trek 2009 back in the day was considered a good thing too. Didn't pan out in the end (to put it mildly). Aut Caesar, aut nihil: either do something good with Star Trek, or do nothing at all. And screw brand loyalty too, I'd rather rewatch again and again season 3 of The Expanse, where the entire Abbadon's Gate plot and its ending was the most Star Trek-like thing in the past 24 years, rather than any of NuTrek.
>>214579508>There was good stuff in the Kelvin films Some, like the casting (mostly). Aside from that none of it worth mentioning.>Disco/Lower Decks/SNW.kys tranny bitch
>>214583014>SNW is the first thing to put it back on the map in that time. That's okay. That's a good thing.>Not even in Paramount top 10 streaming originals.
>>214583180all three of them are perfectly watchable action movies. That's just all they are.
>>214583057>Except Andromeda was shitAgain, first and foremost because it was a cheapo SyFy production that basically fell apart in later seasons.>And it had almost nothing to do with Roddenberry, aside from some basic premise. Dude was dead for years before the show started filmingRoddenberry had almost nothing to do with TNG since season 3 and was dead when DS9 first aired. Turned out peak Star Trek in the end. Man was a visionary, had some great ideas, but wasn't good at implementing them himself. George Lucas had essentially the same problem.
>>214582852https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGQTfgNSyNgLooking more forward to this and Tencent The 3 Body Problem S2 than any NuTrek slop.Westerner's can't write modern Scifi if their lives depended on it. Every Western scifi show for a decade has been fucking garbage.
>>214583216Into Darkness was a complete and utter shit even by action movies standards, and Beyond suffered first and foremost because of it.
>>214583284>Every Western scifi show for a decade has been fucking garbage.Season one of Westworld (a literal western sci-fi show, hawhaw) was pretty fucking good until they decided to go full retard with season 2.
>>214583284>Westerner's can't write modern Scifi if their lives depended on it.Define "modern sci-fi", and explain how it is different from the science fiction of old (because in my opinion the main pillar of what makes good sci-fi good has been there since H. G. Wells). Pretty please?
>>214583216Yeah, if your brain is missing. Which is basically what JewJew was going for. Make stupid shit pass on the screen so fast you won't be able to notice.
>>214583343it wasn't. You can watch first few episode mostly from nostalgia but its a boring retarded slop with un ending symbolism and philosophy showed into you forcefully.
>>214583344For me its absence of grown up characters in movies. Everyone is acting and feeling or literally are child/teenager.
>>214583343>Season one of Westworld (a literal western sci-fi show, hawhaw) was pretty fucking goodNTA but no, it fucking wasn't. It was already a normieslop. >stretched twice the length it should be>which actually lets you guess the Man in Black twist too early>the part with the negress android bossing two nerds around and they do anything she wants instead of calling for security>clearly shows the maintenance crew would never make it in time to fix the androids visitors would fuck up all the time>Anthony Hopkins' explanation about making androids glitch on purpose makes no fucking sense, but he's Anthony Hopkins, so people brushed this off, because a good actor can just pull off any bullshit the screenwriters come up with
>>214583376yeah, that's what an action movie is.
>>214583424Because gen x and millennials stay children mentally forever and it shows through their writing
>>214583553erosion of class mobility. They're not letting anyone in writer's rooms these days, unless they come from money and have basically been living in a playpen their entire lives.Also, the insistence on having women writers on everything isn't helping matters.
>>214578187>Told to wrap up all principle photography by end of yearAnon SNW has two more seasons and they have two more shows in the pipe.
>>214583550No, you fucking retard. That's not what Predator, Terminator 2, Mad Max 2 or Die Hard were. Even Rambo 1 and 2 weren't like that, despite what the media claim. Now kill yourself, zoomer.
>>214583424While it is important (some dialogue in NuTrek literally made me squirm at how juvenile it is), I don't believe it's "the" thing. I think you can have good sci-fi even where characters do erroneous, stupid and childish things. For example, have you ever read Hard to Be a God by Strugatsky brothers? In there main character makes a fair share of things that in hindsight can be considered angsty or stupid, and it ends in a complete disaster because of his actions, but it is still a pretty clever novel, IMO it's probably the best "Prime Directory" novel there is.
>>214583553nice gaslight, Antifawriting rooms are WOKE AF full of diversity aka.NO WHITE MALESand as you wokies are barking mad insane even on a good day,your shitty stories are just the sameintrinsically repulsive to any normie
>>214583602>Also, the insistence on having women writers on everything isn't helping matters.As someone who grew up reading Ursula K. Le Guin, Andrew Norton and Tanith Lee I'm not entirely sure it's such a problem.
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>>214583698What makes white male a good writer and why can't it be replicated with people of other races and gender?
>>214583014>SNW is the first thing to put it back on the map in that timebuddy, yer getting really desperate with your shillingreally funny watching you all go slowly insane as your shitTrek failsR U Ok?
>>214583643Ah yes, the Terminator series, where they can't just wrap a drone in human skin and send it back in time, for some reason.
>>214583705they worked their way into a male scene through personal merit. It's not the same thing.
>>214583826>What makes a white male a bad writer and why are they all replaced with people of other races and gender?you tell me
>>214578209Isn't Lower Decks the one that had literal gay orgy scenes?
>>214583882Yes and it was part of a lame joke as usual
>>214583853And?
>>214583882And what's wrong about this, chud?
>>214583916yeahthat's the type of people who think they can write SciFi
>>214583826Even the Jew writers are no good anymore
>>214583916You're inevitably going to say Star Trek 09 is terrible because of some plot hole that no one is even paying attention to while watching the movie.
>>214583945it's supposed to be a children's show, groomer scum
>>214583959>>214583975me:>complain about ADHD pacingfaggot tards:>ooga booga me no understand something something barely related plotholesYou really are the target audience for JewJew slop.
>>214584050it's not a bad movie just because it's centered on a pretty straight forward plot, fun character interactions, and a series of action set pieces.It works for what it is. Pissing your pants and crying about it because it's not real Star Trek, seems so performative to me.
>>214578209>>214581239
>>214584108>retard's reading comprehension still on pajeet levelWhy am I no surprised?
>>214583876>you tell meI can't, because I don't really see it. But what I can see is a decline in writing in general, and that includes white males too. So I'm not entirely convinced that things will become noticeably better in entertainment industry if we were to throw out women and minorities from writing rooms and replace them with white men exclusively. I think it is a way too simple solution for a way too complex problem.
>trekies think their IP will be savedYour punishment will continue, for a whole generation, until it morphs into something else entirely and nobody remembers the originals anymore.
>>214584142Do you hate Star Trek 3? Because that's pretty much an Abrams movie. It's a dumb movie, with dumb plot contrivances, that's a lot more action packed than the previous two.
>>214584224No trekkie thinks that.
>>214584224I will always have my DS9 DVDs.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D4-Jc7MIF4
>>214584235>Do you hate Star Trek 3?I dislike parts of it.>Because that's pretty much an Abrams movie.No. The pacing - which was my complaint about JewJew slop - is completely different.You're still too fucking retarded to comprehend what my post was about.
>>214584262>fast pace movie bad!Why?
>>214578209Only LD is.
>>214584298lolno, you may as well say rick and morty or solar opposites are kino
>>214578187Kurtzman has yet to put the final nail in Trek. The amount of sheer faggotry you are about to witness will astound you. The line must be drawn here.
>>214584149you're rightso lets leave all the women and their non-white pets keep on writing their marxist agitpropI'm sure it'll work out (it will).
>>214584149well you basically need to throw all of the left-leaning Redditors out too.
>>214584279every seen a car crash?same thing
>>214584279NTA, but IMO Abrams can't do both fast and consistent. It always comes off as disjointed and ultimately dishonest, it's like he tries to overwhelm you with things happening on screen so you couldn't have the time to think about how completely stupid the entire thing is. He's similar to Michael Bay in that regard, only in Bay's case it stems from his juvenile sensibilities, while Abrams is obviously much smarter than that, hence the dishonesty part.
>>2145842241965-2005Let it die. I'd rather see it left alone than to be raped.
>>214584336Why is nearly every actor in this obese?
>>214584279>retard thinks "fast" was the complaintAm I supposed to explain everything to you because you're too fucking retarded to read my initial post with minimal comprehension?
>>214584330the are you fucking geezer
>>214584336I hate that it took them this long to remember that this font exists. It's so much classier than the TOS font they decided they need to use everywhere.
>>214583772There are surely better examples of nature than the tar monster.
>>214584467Do you realize what Armus was?
>>214584410I will reiterate that when enjoyed purely as an action movie, it's fine.Chris Pine is a good leading man, the supporting cast is solid, stuff happens, and it's exciting.I don't care that you have a nuclear hate boner for Abrams. I don't even like Abrams.
>>214583660Should have referenced the Prisoners of Power honestly BUT in both of this its the point of the story not the fucking annoying side shit. IN Hard to be a God Anton was getting tired of watching the horrors local people did and that's why everything goes to hell. And in second case its literally a child (basically superman) ending up in horror show and going through it like its a circus.
Trekbros, he won..
>>214584474A god, basically.
>>214584467Probably crystal thing is better example.
>>214584507He was spotted at a game?
>>214584531WWE
>>214584338>so lets leave all the women and their non-white pets keep on writing their marxist agitpropWhat's the alternative then?>>214584366And who's going to remain?You folk seem to be so sure that femoids, pinkos and negroes just hold down talented white men, and as soon as they removed it's going to be the new Renaissance. Well, I'm not so sure.
>>214584487Again. Cowardly retard too afraid and too dumb to confront what I was addressing.
>>214584571I dunno man, cast a wide net, and invite people who actually love and understand the genre of science fiction.There's a fanfiction scene, presumably?
>>214584521No. Go back to watching LD.
>>214584623You literally haven't explained why it's a bad movie. You just keep getting mad and saying it's too fast paced.Probably because that's what RLM said about it years ago, and you haven't seen it in all that time.
>>214578187I watched:Discovery S1 and most of S2SNW S1Picard S3Lower DecksI predict only Lower Decks will stand the test of time.
>>214584656No one will remember any of these in a year or two.
>>214584656Lower Decks is almost an actual ST show, but falls flat when it has to attempt to be a comedy.
>>214584521
The In the news LD spammer is in turbo mode today.
>>214584651>You literally haven't explained why it's a bad movie. I did. In the post you're too dumb to address properly.
>>214584650He was waste from a race of gods. He is both godly in his own right and literally manufactured. The opposite of natural. Troon.
>>214584685I went back and looked at all of your posts again, and you did not.
>>214584656>I predict only Lower Decks will stand the test of time.>>214584677>Lower Decks is almost an actual ST show
>>214584656This shit is the most dated of any of the new crap because it's just millennial chungus writing that is going to age like milk and just be embarrassing 10 years from now
>>214584711It is. It looks like Star Trek, is set in the genuine Star Trek universe, and has the correct plot pacing. It falls flat when it remembers it's supposed to be a comedy, and then fails to be funny.
I hope we can just move past this period and pretend it never happened.
>>214584338Oh Jesus. Do you ever shut the fuck up about your victim complex, you miserable fat fuck? Do you have any other tracks, you dumb shit?
>>214584706Then you're either lying or too retarded to understand the post about fast pacing concealing nonsensical plot. The anon here >>214584378 said basically the same thing. But that somehow didn't trigger you, so it seems you're just seething and fuming at me personally, for some unfathomable reason, instead of actually caring about the conversation merit.
>>214584571>What's the alternative then?ah looks like you're in luck againjust found out your boy Larry Ellison and his bastard son bought up Paramountso it's back to jew rape of Trek all is well, Trek necrophilia is back in full swing
>>214584761>It looks like Star Trek, is set in the genuine Star Trek universeYou mean the universe without a proper chain of command where everybody is screaming all the time and one ensign mutilates another while drunk in the very first episode. You must be a special kind of retard.
>>214579588It's improbably bad.
>>214584807They are, however, conservative jews that donated to Marco Rubio and various other conservative super PACsOne thing's for sure, the super woke super gay era of Trek is over
>>214584504>IN Hard to be a God Anton was getting tired of watching the horrors local people did and that's why everything goes to hellIn Hard to Be a God everything goes to hell not because he just got tired of horrors, but because he became increasingly alienated from people around him — local nobles, intelligentsia, even his Institute colleagues — and eventually snapped under psychological pressure when the only person he still felt comfortably around got killed, essentially turning into the very thing he abhorred. And while Inhabited Island would probably be a more apt reference, I just like Hard to Be a God more.
>>214581611The RSE was huge, losing one system, even their Capitol wouldn't cripple them. It was JJs retarded not understanding scale that ruined it. It needs to be retcond.
>>214584795It doesn't matter that it has a nonsensical plot, because it's more about the action sequences and character interactions. Note my post about Terminator also being nonsense when you really thing about the plot.
>>214578209imagine falling for bait of such low quality
>>214584824There's implied to be a proper chain of command outside of the dynamic of the cast of characters we focus on though(because it's a sitcom, and haha funny chungus, they're bad at their jobs. Yeah, I get it).That's not there in something like Picard. The entire universe is just upside-down and wrong.
>>214584656Suggest you visit a doctor you are now crippled for life.
>>214584807>Larry EllisonNO. FUCK NO. Oracle is fucking cancer.
I genuinely don't understand how the economics of television and film have changedI'm old enough and enough of a fucking dork that I witnessed the collapsing economic arguments around Enterprise, Voyager, Nemesis, even late DS9I'm not so fucking ancient but I did hear that such problems also plagued TOS itselfStudios used to have to fight ruthlessly for every dollar and every eyeball. This didn't always guarantee quality, of course (see how guys like Michael Bay mastered harvesting dollars and views) but there was at least a logic to the machine, you understood where the money was going in and coming out.Star Trek now somehow gets infinite money for zero viewers. It's like they've invented post-scarcity in real life, for themselves. Adjusted for inflation, the average episode of Discovery cost three times as much as the average episode of The Next Generation, and The Next Generation was the most expensive and most watched show in the world in its primeWhere the fuck was this magic "Get $200 million to make something nobody actually watches" button back when Rome and Firefly got shitcanned?
>>214584955And Terminator introduced those plot holes one by one, every five minutes? And used insufferably ADHD editing to conceal it?Oh shit. No! Not at all. Apples and oranges, you fucking retard. Do you understand now or are you going to shit out even more nonsense?
>>214584997>impliedkek
>>214585038the core premise of Terminator is flimsy>only flesh or a flesh covered machine can travel in timeWhat? That's actual nonsense.
>>214584840>They are, however, conservative jews that donated to Marco Rubio and various other conservative super PACsThey are also run the most greedy and predatory company in the entire IT sector, and have a long record of anti-Midas touch. Also, "do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphising Larry Ellison".
>>214585030TV shows get startup and venture capitalist money now. Every industry that's ever done this has enjoyed a jubilee of random huge failed projects until the bankers move on and the money dries up.
>>214584940yeah that's what i mean. but still i cant tell him being childish or a teenager like in Prisoners of Power. Overall nothing remotely like this could be done by modern dei hired writers.
>>214585030Monkeys running the circus, Anon.Paramount just made endless slop, hoping to sell it to other streaming networks. For some ungodly reason, it actually worked. It's not hard to imagine why. But it's hard to figure out why it worked for a decade.Add to this nepotism, cronyism, jewish accounting and millions they'd get from DEI programs. Remember when DEI shit used to be called crazy right-wing propaganda? kek
>>214584951>The RSE was huge, losing one system, even their Capitol wouldn't cripple them. It was JJs retarded not understanding scale that ruined itI can't remember if JJ's Trek 2009 even dealt with any of that, Eric Bana just wanted revenge against Spock for failing.It was in Picard with its poor "asylum seeker Romulans" analogy where their understanding of Trek geopolitics (astropolitics?) really fell apart
