>H-halo lore is really good, way better than Star wars!Then why was the show fucking garbage?
>>214660782First of all, Halo "lore" isn't necessarily better than Star Wars. Depending on what you mean. I do think Halo is better than Star Wars, in a lot of ways, but the basic storytelling in the original Halo trilogy is good/better than Star Wars, not the "lore" - depending on what you mean by that. Second of all, the show is literally overtly non-canon fan fiction, according to Microsoft. Besides borrowing characters and imagery and premises, it has almost nothing to do with what Halo fans like about Halo. Similar relation to Halo as Star Trek Discovery is related to Star Trek.
Why couldn't they follow the books
>>214660782Halo lore isn't really all that good, but the show was sabotaged by people that didn't really want to respect the work as it was
>>214660782Star Wars shows were also garbage.
>>214661178Then why are they watched by millions?
>>214661210Turns out they weren't
>>214661107Halo lore is pretty good (if you're only counting the "lore" for the original trilogy, sans Halo 3 terminals - which were the ramblings of a rampant AI anyway) but there simply isn't that much of it. Star Wars has way more lore and probably wins out in terms of quality just by sheer volume. When people say they like Halo's story, they like the non-verbal stuff. Cinematography, matte paintings, animation, music, etc. Especially in Halo 2 and Halo 3 they started to rival the best of Hollywood with the imagery they were pulling together. Even if the people making the Halo show had good intentions, they simply weren't as skilled as the people making the original games.
Everything not created by Bungie is bad fanfiction.
>>214660782
>>214660782Halo war isn't good on it's own merits, it's good because it was supposed to be a continuation of the mythos founded in Pathways Into Darkness and codified in Marathon. Stripped of that it's just a bunch of shallow religious wars by aliens against humans. Every single fucking conflict in Halo is like>OMFG WE THE PREDECESSORS USED TO RULE THE GALAXY>WE COULD USE UNBORN UNIVERSES AS BATTERIES AND MAKE INTERSTELLAR HIGHWAYS BASED ON LIVING MUSIC>BUT OUR EVEN OLDER AND MORE ADVANCED CREATORS, THE PROGENITORS, BTFO'D US SO HARD WE HAD TO SADLY GENOCIDE ALL LIFE IN THE GALAXY TO STOP THEM>SOMEHOW THIS IS ALL HUMANITY'S FAULT>FUCK YOU, HUMANITYAnd then some retard with a gun stops them by running through some hallways and shooting a weird robot/dude in armour, or reaching a checkpoint so a plot device can take care of it. This goes on and on until they run out of advanced aliens, shoot themselves in the foot repeatedly by turning a beloved AI waifu into a psychopathic galactic conqueror, and have to come up with an EVEN MORE ADVANCED AND DANGEROUS ALIEN RACE because they made their previous one too powerful to realistically let a space marine deal with but still need to pretend the story is advancing. And the only credible threat left in the interim is some pissed off space sasquatch who's used to comically BTFO the evil AI waifu so the plot can literally reset the space marine's relationship with her to factory condition by introducing a good copy of her. Yes, the show is shit on it's own merits, but I just don't see the point in getting upset when the game revels in wasted potential. Destiny is somehow even worse, and it's a GOOD thing the next Marathon game was never made.
>>214661508Marathon is good, but somehow, based on your synopsis, I don't think you understood either it or Halo...
>>214661722I understand enough about Halo to know that nothing interesting in it actually matters in the games' plot, and that with the current state of the setting nothing interesting can ever happen in it again.
>>214661878Yea. You don't understand either. Pro tip: Ignore everything from after Microsoft got the rights to the series.
>>214660782Show was good. Game halo story was written for 8 year olds and if made into a show would be 99% like that one FPS sequence the show did as a homage.The show was so much better storywise, and was far more interesting watching the chief try to become more human, as opposed to being a zero personality murder cyborg like the games.I really think the game community destroyed any hope of a serious attempt at a halo show that would have been fresh and actually good for non-children.
>>214660782because it was made by jews attempting to ruin yet another white person franchise
>>214661241You're right in that Halo was cinematic and knew how to get the audience enthusiastic. The reason I say the lore wasn't all that good is that it was 100% unoriginal, like literally every single bit was done before in some story somewhere. So that's why I don't consider it all that good, it didn't bring anything new to the table.I believe you can find a detailed listing online of like 200+ things Halo borrowed. (The Halo itself is from Ringworld)With that said it was fun. The only really interesting part of Halo lore IMO was that the Spartans were child soldiers and their creation was an act of evil for a greater good.
>>214662104>I say the lore wasn't all that good is that it was 100% unoriginal, like literally every single bit was done before in some story somewhere.once you get into sci-fi as a genre this is hardly a criticism. NOTHING is really originalthat being said, i do agree with you. i personally like halo (pre-343)'s lore. the Expanse's lore is arguably better and deeper, though - and i've only read the 1st and a little bit of the 2nd book
Because just like Star Wars is today, it was made by people that hate Halo, don't give a fuck about Halo, its lore, its story, its grandeur, scale, mythos, none of it. They don't give a fuck. It means nothing to them and them just slapping an IP on something to get yo to buy a ticket and then proceed to shit all over it by smearing it with their masturbatory fiction, their self-inserts, their agenda and marching orders and propaganda to spread, and this is the same across literally every other form of entertainment.
My 60yo aunt who has no idea what halo is watched and liked this shit
The appeal of Halo isn't about lore, the key lore is very simple and not that original. it's about the vibe and the character dynamics. They blundered both horribly. The fact that master chief takes his helmet off and has sex is all you need to know.
>>214660782The only thing "Halo" about that show was the name.It was clear they had a different generic sci fi show that they just slapped the "Halo" name on.Because their generic sci fi story has a better shot at becoming successful than the already proven success and massively beloved game and story?The level of hubris these people have is insane. It was the same with the Cowboy Bebop live action show. Made by people who hate the source material.The fact that it even got greenlit is fucked up. We could've had Peter Jackson, Neal Blomkamp and Weta backed by big studios to pour enough money into it a few years ago.... instead we get this bullshit.
>Witcher has good "lore", then why was the show fucking garbage?If you can answer that, you can answer your question.
>>214660782Halo ""lore"" is surprisingly miniscule when properly divided. Like 6 books + a short story collection and the 5 games form the core of bungie lore. 343 need not apply
>>214660782Halo Lore in a vacuum is fine.the child soldiers kidnapped from outer rim to then quell the outer rim but incidentally were never deployed against other humans because aliens appeared is neat.The pseudo-religious subtext is coolThe politics of the covvies introduced in Halo 2 and the prophets knowing it was all a lie was cool.Halo lore gets extremely cool when viewed within the context of the wider Bungie lore343 Lore is fucking shit.
>>214662104>The reason I say the lore wasn't all that good is that it was 100% unoriginal, like literally every single bit was done before in some story somewhere.This is far far less of the criticism that you think it is.
Because everything related to Star Wars has been shit since after 2011And everything related to Halo has been shit since after 2010, so naturally the show is shit, but the earlier material was bretty gud.
>>214660782Paramount.
>>214660782Becauae it was made be retarded subhuman leftists who hated the source material, same problem The Witcher suffers.
>>214661241>>214661508>>214662696Alright nerds, how would you make a good halo series with only 200m a season?
>>214662038This is the worst opinion I've read on here, assuming it's not actually bait
>>214663973I'd legit just adapt the original books series/ gamesThere was nothing wrong with them.
>>214662038You're fucking retarded, there was already a novelization and it wasn't just an "fps sequence".
>>214663973>that time stampFor starters, I wouldn't have made it about Master Chief. His story was told, and there's no way you can use him after the trilogy that would be worthwhile. Second, I wouldn't have made a Halo TV show at all. If I wanted to make entertainment for the masses, there are much better ways to spend that kind of money.
>>214660782Because the faggots at Paramount made a Halo adaptation in name only.>no Sgt. Johnson>race swap Jacob and Miranda Keyes>Master Chief John-117 is played by a whiny introspective Jew who refuses to wear the MJOLNIR armor 75% of the time>Covenant has a single female human acolyte that even the Prophets listen to>Said female somehow gets into a romantic relationship with John-117 while Cortana watches them fuck>No Blue Team with Fred, Kelly and Linda, instead we get "Silver Team"I got viscerally angry watching that show.
>>214661241OG Bungie were passionate artists and engineers. Current Bungie is the corporate sellouts they swore they would never become.
>>214662104Almost nothing in sci-fi is wholly original. Halo manages to tell a convincing story in a very fleshed-out universe borrowing heavily from other sci-fi and military tropes but doing so in a way that makes it unique. For any anons actually interested in the Halo lore, ALL the novels by Eric Nylund are paper kino, as well as the Greg Bear Forerunner Trilogy. The other novels run the gamut of "decent" (Halo: The Flood, Contact Harvest, The Cole Protocol) to bad (all of Karen Traviss's novels).
>>214664064Dude, it was kinda a third person shooter
Here's my concept of a halo TV show>10 episodes >Each episode is a level from halo 1>Each episode follow a marine as the game happens >Chief is seen, but not frequently, he's like Godzilla in a Godzilla movie, you see glimpses of him, but never for very long>Get to 343 guilty spark, the POV character is Jenkins, it's a found footage episode similar to the original game>As the found footage progresses you see all the fucked up flood shit, eventually, the footage ends, and it turns out it was chief watching the found footage, similar to the game>The POV character is now chief, and follows the game as chief tries to rescue keys/escape halo I feel like this keeps the twist well that the original game had with the flood, while making it interesting and giving a writer more to work with that directly following the game
>>214660782Spielberg
Halo is painfully unoriginal. I don't think there's a single thing in it that wasn't from something pre-existing...something already used a multitude of times as it was.
>>214660782Because Halo lore is a lot of fluff that works in a medium like a book or animated setting like games or cartoons/anime.Halo lore is terrible when confined to the realities of the TV medium outside of 1-3 minute live action TV ads to advertise a game
>>214664717>as well as the Greg Bear Forerunner Trilogy>343 retcons Bungie Forerunners>the retcon allows for the uber kino and weird Greg Bear Trilogy>Halo 4 uses literally nothing from it besides a handful of elements and are horribly mishandled a waste of a retcon
>>214664885Too easy
>>214664722I read the book, moron, and there was much more to it than just action scenes.
I need a weapon - John Hallo 117
Bungie at first was vehemently against any expanded universe stuff for Halo, it was Microsoft who pushed hard for it, and why the games sometimes blatantly contradict it
>>214660782Return home, loreman.
Sexy Cortana or IM NOT WATCHUING
>>214660782I loved the show but they purposely made the plot garbage when it should have just been Fall of Reach.
>>214665038Making Forerunners their own hubristic species instead of just Ancient Prehistoric Humans and making their greatest rivals actual Ancient Spacefaring Prehistoric Humans was actually a cool idea. As you said, too bad 343 never did anything with it.
>>214660782Halo lore is “good” in the sense that Reach (spartan 2 origin story) would make a good movie. And that’s about it.
>argue in a bad faith bait thread>wonder why /tv/ sucks
>>214664920No, Halo's pretty goddamn original. Building on the past doesn't make something unoriginal, having nothing to add does.
>>214660782>H-halo lore is really goodNo one says this unless they have mental disabilities
>>214661241>>214660782The fall of reach book which came out before halo 1 is the perfect companion piece for people who like the games but want to know more
>>214664885>Each episode follow a marine as the game happensIt would have to be the same marine/s. Audiences want a protagonist or else they'll get bored and won't 'connect'. Likewise, Master Chief would have to be in it a lot or you'd get a lot of meme'ing about how retarded execs have to be to make a Halo show and barely include Master Chief. He's the face of the brand (even if his face is a helmet).Flood episode is a really good idea though.
>>214666945>>wonder why /tv/ sucksNo one (no adult) wonders this.
>>214661508343 frankie lore isn't canon, retard
>>214666359It's absolutely retarded. If you can have ancient spacefaring humans alongside another advanced civilization with whom they go to war, you could have made the former the true forerunners responsible for the halos and the ark, as Bungie intended, and the other species as some new faction to extrapolate on with future releases (what the Endless tried to be basically).They literally just made a shitty retcon out of a shitty retcon instead lmao
>>214660782the writers boasted over how they never looked at any of the source material
>>214660782>Then why was the show fucking garbage?Same reason Witcher was shit.>liberal women writers who hate the material>want to write generic schlock and romance intrigue garbage>one loyal fan who's happy to be there and do their best>extra races galore like Halo wasn't inclusive enough while leaving out genuinely great characters like Johnson>the fucking game ost is left out even though the usage of music in the games is one of the things that sets the fps apartAlso no one cares about the "lore" (plot) beyond the first couple canon books, and games 1-3 + ODST. Anyone who condones Reach is a nuHalo fan whose opinion doesn't matter.
>>214662038>>214667169Paramount employees
>>214667244>Audiences want a protagonist or else they'll get bored and won't 'connect'>I need to connect with the character or I won't be invested!>I need to self-insert or I don't understand!This is why a Halo show is wasted in this day and age with small brained, illiterate audiences. Chief is a larger-than-life character, akin to a Greek Hero in an epic. You're not supposed to be relating to him being horny for some random female marine or putting on a robe and slippies after a shower. It's not his character. He's supposed to be a force to be reckoned with, borderline enigmatic to those who aren't around him often. This is why a scenario like >>214664885 showing him sporadically in grandeur would work as exposition, it shows how far and above Chief is compared to everyone else. Like Achilles fighting at Troy. Halo is an epic, they even have religious overtones and in-your-face references throughout the story.
>>214665311>wanna know the lore?>read 30 shitty fucking booksGod, I hate it when they do this. Nothing worse. In-game or fuck off, I ain't reading shit.
>>214663973200m is a lot
>>214668069>Fuck audiences! They're dumb and don't understand kino!In case anyone's wondering how film execs can be so retarded to greenlight the obvious terrible slop they make
>>214663973>"only" $200m a season>they still make basically the worst thing anyone has ever seenHow was this even possible?
nutana had a fat dumper
>>214668234Proof?
>>214663973Made ODST and have Mister Chef show up for like 2 15 second moments where he says the day and then leaves in a 10 episode season.
>>214660782because they changed it all so the premise youre presenting is really flawed.
>>214665418Would Zoomers even be interested in a Cortana-Chief romance?
>>214660782>halo lore
>>214660782Everything is better than "fantasy but in space"
>>214669445You sound like you like negroni cream sauce up your ass
>>214663973Adapt Fall of Reach (mabye mixing in some Halo Reach Noble Team shit in there too), The Flood (aka Combat Evolved), First Strike, Halo 2, ODST, Ghosts of Onyx, and Halo 3. That's all you need for several seasons right there.
>>214668069Even then, in the Nylund novels (I haven't read beyond Ghosts of Onyx), the Spartans are far from invincible. In fact, the majority of Fall of Reach are just Spartans watching helplessly as UNSC fleets and worlds are annihilated by Covenant fleets. Like the second a Covvie ship slipstreams into a UNSC system, it's a foregone conclusion that any human worlds are doomed. All humanity can do is try to stay one step ahead, and keep the Covenant from discovering the location of Earth. Even when the Spartans are able to engage on-world, it's against overwhelming hordes of tens of thousands of Grunts and Jackals, and any victories are pyrrhic (like nuking a human city to take out a Covenant base). They don't even encounter their first Hunter or Elite until many years into the "war", and they are unquestionably stronger than Spartans, same for Brutes. Spartans were designed to put down human insurrectionists, not fight off an alien invasion. Then, when you factor in the Flood fucking everyone up, there's not shit they can do but run. Humanity doesn't even have a vague chance of surviving until the Covenant schism after the Prophets betrayed the Elites. Extinction basically would have been inevitable if that hadn't happened. I suppose the Flood invading High Charity helped to sew chaos amongst the Covenant too.
>>214660782Friendly reminder that humans are forerunner.
>>214660782Because it was a repurposed script from some other gay shit, probably Mass Effect.
>>214668217>How was this even possible?Just look at Alien Earth, $30m per episode and it looks like it has no budget, and the writing is absolute shit.
>>214663973This has already been solved. ODST Band of Brothers
>>214663973Generation Kill: Halo edition
halo is gay
>Halo has a good story
>>214660782>writers pitch original show>rejected for being horrid shit>resubmit it with all of the names changed with things from Halo>"FUCKING GENIUS">show greenlit, infinite budget approved, shills deployed
>>214661508>>214660782Video game “ ancient evil” is two steps away from “it was all a dream on the storytelling totem pole.
>>214672287>343 lore of "No!"
>>214660782halo lore is dog shit and can be summarised as some old aliens at some point did some shit and then they died but left some shit behind, and now there's new aliens who wanna kill us oh nohalo only succeeds on a thematic level, the underdog story on crack. good vs evil in some sci fi mech suit hard carried by a sound track and some cool guns and cars
>>214672429Why don't media companies hire writers who care about the material?It's just pissing away money at this point
Blue Team was kino as fuck in the books
They should just make a Red v Blue feature length film without roosterteeth and with writers who are actually funny
>>214660782It depends. Focusing just on what Bungie wrote doesn't give you much, which was by design. The lore is pretty good if you include the books released at the same time as the Bungie, even though Bungie themselves hated them and refused to ever reference them. That's where the good ends, because everything 343 wrote was trash. 343 also made a huge effort to very poorly reference as much extraverse lore as possible as a substitute to good writing, which of course failed hard with 98% of players who didn't care about that shit.But even with all of that baggage I would still consider Halo lore better than Star Wars. Star Wars is one of the most overrated IPs ever made, it was never great and I am tired of people putting it on a pedastal.
I love Star Wars and Halo
>>214663973ODST Band of Brothers with absolutely no fucking Spartans whatsoever.ORadapt Halo Reach
>>214673230lol what kind of fucking spastic reads books adapted from a video game
>>214661241Halo (yes, even 4) did the whole "super soldiers raised from childhood to mindlessly obey orders" meme a lot better than most Star Wars media, especially TCW.Spartans in Halo>brought up in an utterly brutal training and augmentation regime that winds up killing nearly half the trainees before they even graduate>end result are übersoldaten, but übersoldaten who are noticeably emotionally stunted, unable to properly socialize or empathize with others>in the end, making the Spartans superhuman essentially required stripping them of their humanityClone troopers in TCW>brutality of their training downplayed (even TCW seems to shy away from it for the sake of taste)>clones all turn into heckin' quirky chunguses with personalized armor and haircuts and even have romantic connections>need a brain chip in their penis to shoot their Jedi officers because Filoni needed stronger copium than "a lifetime of conditioning to obey orders without question makes people prone to doing the most frightening things imaginable"
>>214663973Rome/Game of Thrones: But it's on High Charity
>>214672905The people in power are fucking retards and jews fail upwardsThat's it
>>214668069>Chief is a larger-than-life character, akin to a Greek Hero in an epic.So... the lead character?
>>214661241The problem with making a Halo series is that Master Chief is a noncharacter, he's a silent Doomguy which lets you take in the ambiance of the setting. It would have to follow a group of marines to allow for character development.
>>214660782The Halo franchise in entirety should have been the Human Covenant war. That is what Halo is at its core.Yet that story started in 2001 and was concluded in 2007. Only spanning 6 years.However Halo has been hanging around for nearly 20 years since then with no story and nothing to say. Even the writers have no idea what they want to do. They change it every game and in-between every game.
Because the entirety of Halo is a retelling of the Bible and the writers are allergic to such things, even something as basic as reading a book.
>>214671463I'd adapt Contact Harvest first. You even get the token negro MC
>>214671786I don't get it because I feel like people still like Herculean figures, and like there's a cultural void without epics being told today, so I genuinely cannot fathom why they want to dumb everything down to 10 ep series of generic, tired dialogue, characters, and tropes. I refuse to believe there isn't a market for it when they can advertise pseudo-deep slop like Everything Everywhere All at Once, and people still rever high tales like Lawrence of Arabia and Master and Commander. Brings to mind how they keep remaking Gawain and the Green Knight too, and people flock to every Arthurian iteration and are constantly disappointed by the modern alterations.Tldr afaik people still like proper underdog stories and grand scale fights, like every fucking Avengers film plays at. Yet they fumble when they get a golden goose placed right in their hands.
>>214672905>>214674662it's because writers are hired from a guild made upof jew nepobabies and californian libtards. It has nothing to do with talent, it's all about fake credentials
>>214672429>I cannot read body language and need characters to verbalize their motives and feelings directly or I'm lost.png
>>214660782>show adaptation does not use the source material
>>214660782the show rules though. did anyone actually watch it or just regurgitate youtubers
>>214674678Every lead nowadays is a girlboss power fantasy or some goofy quirk chungus. We don't have any modern Achilles or Hercules struggling against fate or the gods. Gay superheroes solving contrived multiverse shit is the closest anything comes to a a modern heroic archetype, and if you'd ever read any literature yourself you'd know the powergap between the archetype and modern "leads."
>>214664885>Get to 343 guilty spark, the POV character is Jenkins, it's a found footage episode similar to the original game>As the found footage progresses you see all the fucked up flood shit, eventually, the footage ends, and it turns out it was chief watching the found footage, similar to the gamehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUPPKeanrXM
>>214675096No, I mean Greek heroes are usually the protagonists of their respective stories
>>214672890The Forerunners were ancient humans. The bungie trilogy is an allegory of Noah's Ark. The Covenant are trying to genocide their own gods. You don't even understand the lore.https://youtu.be/Ha86EKU3W3I?si=DATD3Qett0FJ02Pthttps://youtu.be/ecBdF-nb5ok?si=V8a32l-ybkLy5mOGhttps://youtu.be/OBQ3vEJYxYc?t=198
>>214675187Fun fact, the original planned ending of Halo 2 going to be the Arbiter finding a human skeleton within a Forerunner tomb.
>>214660782>”X sci fi thing has actually good lore!!!” >Look inside >Basic military power-fantasy Warhammer/Halo/Star wars/etc. Do not have good “lore” (whatever the fuck good lore even means) it just means there is a lot of material of faceless dudes in different colored armors shooting evil aliens and making melodramatic sacrifices. There is nothing wrong with that but fans pretending these military fantasy /k/slop franchises are actually some super duper deep Shakespearean written masterpieces because of some fuckoff book from 2005 really need to stfu.
I haven't followed Halo lore since Legends. Is any of the new stuff worth watching?
>>214660782>Gaylo lore was copycat dogshitfixed that for u
>>214661210Millions of Indians literally eat cow shit. There are a lot of people in the world and the majority of them are retarded.
>>214660782Active sabotage.>>214661046>First of all, Halo "lore" isn't necessarily better than Star Wars.It never was. there was a brief, and I mean very brief, period where it was ok. Then a certain author decided to make The Flood into the "I only let you win because it funny" faction.Yeah nah, fuck that. Then everything after 3>but ReachLore wise, fuck that shit. Fuck that game. Fuck that story. was fucking stupid. Really fucking stupid.And it gets dumber and dumber. Everyone owes Karen Traviss some apologies. And Eric Nylund.
