Is one of the most fukcing retarded choices everIt's such a raimi thingIt's so dumbSo so so dumbDisgustingly dumb
>>214664551>dude get bitten by a radioactive spider>UHM ACTSHUALLY, HE DOESN'T GET WEB POWERS BUT A SENSE OF DANGER (which all spiders clearly posess)Raimi made it better
>>214664551good morning sir
It's fine you brown piece of shit
>>214664551it's a shitty choice but it's not very important
>>214664551>Guy gets bitten by a Spider>Develops an actual ability that spiders have and assuming spider power could have given him, as opposed to crap like 'spider sense', which would be based on having multiple eyes at different angles around the head, or 'wall crawling' which he'd only have if he developed setae and didn't wear gloves that'd cover his hands. Honestly it was the best choice he could have made, and all Spiderman incarnations should have this power as part of their natural power-set. OP is the one who's Disgustingly dumb.
>>214664551Only thing Webshooters are used for is forced steaks when the writers have them break or run out of fluid to fuck with Spidey.
>>214664551Well, his powers wouldn't be very spider-themed otherwise. How else is he supposed to figure out he's a spider?!
>>214664551Non comics person here. The organic shooters seems to make more sense. It's a special power from the Spider-Bite. Him just making them in his bedroom seems stupid. What does he even need a Spider-Bite for if he's a 11/10 super genius?
>>214664551On the contrary, organic webbers are an excellent choice. They're such a good choice I was actually shocked to discover they didn't exist in the comics. Raimi changed it for the better. As if to prove the point, several writers of the comics later stated that they would have given Peter organic webs from the start if they had thought of it.
>>214665001same. i thought it was canon so the new movies' tech felt like a novelty
>>214665001A lot of comic fans don't seem to grasp how stupid some of their concepts are if you haven't acclimatised to them, and almost never realise how adaption forces changes by necessity.The Raimi movies are in their own separate continuity where it's just real life outside the changes we see within them, so some kid inventing mechanical web shooters out of nowhere would be plain retarded.
>>214665133The only reason he didn't have them originally was because there were laws about showing people expelling organic fluids, and of course now comic book autists refuse to accept anything else
>>214665133>As if to prove the point, several writers of the comics later stated that they would have given Peter organic webs from the start if they had thought of it.[citation needed]
>>214665001Because capeshit as we know it did not yet exist and Lee was trying to be more realistic in the spirit of pulp comics. The early issues just have Spidey be an exceptionally physically strong gymnast and acrobat who can climb walls. People act like "Oh, it's stupid they didn't give him the ability to shoot webs out of his wrists" now that comics are insane but they had to draw a line somewhere back then.
>>214665133https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg8oyvjFGbw
makes most sense. without web, he's more like i don't know. bug man at best. not much spider about him.except in the cartoon where he turned in to some giant spider or some shit
>>214665951They didn't draw the line at giving him a psychic fourth sense that can somehow detect danger?
>>214666070>fourth senseI mean sixth
>>214664551I actually didn't mind it. Uncanny spider sense is dubious of course, but something a spider definitely DOES have an instinct for and they should play up more in the comics and the movies is the ability to find the best route over a 3D surface.So you can imagine if you were at the end of hallway with a spider crawling toward you from the other end it would get there quicker than you'd expect via an apparently circuitous route that is actually a straight line:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_spider_and_the_fly_problemSpiderman could presumably do the same thing to a bad guy in an alleyway.
>>214664945They also did it in raimi spiderman (he's losing his mojo and is struggling). Which is dramatically better, because it ties his powers to general well being as a character instead of an artificial supply of something divorced from him (web shooter fluid)
>>214666070How is that spider ability anyway. Is it supposed to be like mental spider web that he can feel tingling. I don't know
>>214666070>>214666155That was just because Ditko and Lee were two guys who didn't know shit about bugs. Originally the spidey sense was a literal radar sense like bats have before later writers turned it into some supernatural thing because spiders don't have that. If someone knew the frequency of the spidey sense they could basically call him on the phone.
>>214665001I dont read comicshit but in the cartoon parker explains it by saying he thinks he maybe he gained the idea/knowledge for the web/shooters from the dna changes. Which is retarded of course and organic makes way more sense
>>214666155Spiders can detect vibrations? I guess. Some jumping spiders incredibly fast and can dodge praying mantis ambushes
>>214664975but he's not a spider
>>214666116I'm glad you liked the limp dick metaphor
>>214664583>>214664607>>214664937>>214665001>>214665133based
>>214666155>>214666276>>214666302They were obviously trying to give him eyes in the back of his head without giving him actual eyes in the back of his head, but then it became more open to interpretation.A spider's principle two eyes are in the front and have detailed vision, while the others are inferior and sometimes can do little but sense movement and changes in light.ie. Give them a 'sense' of their surroundings, but if they want to look at shit in detail they have to turn and look.You can see how jumping spiders rely on their main two eyes more, and are highly advanced for judging distance:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvz7NVAnKY4https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_spider#Vision
why are comics dying?
>>214666467No spiders have rear facing eyes tho only side
>>2146664951) They rely heavily on constantly starting new storylines to take advantage of the sales bump of a new launch while not actually doing anything new, leaving them with the worst of both worlds by having no continuity and limited avenues for new fans to jump in2) Manga became more socially acceptable and started stealing its lunch3) They're fucking dogshit
>>214664551Spider-Man was a super-soldier project, just like Cap. It makes sense. Osborn was experimenting with Hydra serums.
>>214664551The scenes related to the web being organic in the school were nice but over a 3 movie franchise mechanical probably would have been better.
>>214665001>does he even need a [power origin] for if he's a 11/10 super geniusThis applies to half the marvel superheros
>>214666615I noticed in the marvel movies. I wasn't sure if that's comics accurate. I still don't get the Hulk, of all characters, is some once in a millenia super genius too. He's meant to smash shit
>>214666302Cartoon Parker got mutated into Man-Spider, and almost turned him into Morbius.. Spider-bite was a mistake.
>>214664551i always thought spiderman has organic web he just can't shoot it without equipment
>>214666647because for story reasons he has to be a nuclear radiation scientist
i agree with the other anons. even in the original comics it was weird how he got this magical radioactive power, then he goes out of his way to make construct web shooters/fluid: "oh no! i forgot to bring more capsules!"the fuck? might as well be Horse-Man, and alongside your horse powers, you carry a gun.(not to mention all the DNA/gene-splicing shit was trendy in the 2000s, and the 'body horror' script sounds pretty kino. 'accuracy to the comics' is stupid, like that automatically means better.)
Always hated the web cartridges because its Reed Richards/Tony Stark level of genius tech. He's fucking between 15 and 23 and lives at home but hes got some wristband sized cartridge of incredible webbing material that would have countless technological and medicinal applications irl? Fuck off
>>214666680Man spider was the coolest part of the show, wish he had started eating his rogues gallery.
>>214666276they STOLE this from Superman: The Movie.
>>214666707But what about Symbiote spider-man some of them get carnage symbiote? Spider-man is the horror series.
>comfy comic about balancing everyday teen life with moonlighting as a superhero>the 'everyday life' plot lines just get dropped without resolution (Betty Brant...?)>some dick writes in and says, 'Gee guys, sure would be swell if you aged Peter Parker up and he faced new challenges in college!'fuck you, that guy.
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>>214664551In the comics, I don't think they ever explain how he is able to do all kind of different types of web with a thing that works with a simple button press. Sometimes it's a rope that sticks so he can swing, sometimes it's balls of web that he uses as projectiles, sometimes it's an actual giant spider web that he uses to catch things. If it comes from his body, it makes more sense because it's an organic thing that he can control directly
>>214666818i think originally it was a button, then they made it some kind of lever?i can accept it just propelling the web, aim-and-shoot, maybe with some speed setting. hammer it on and off, suddenly it's globs instead of rope?has anyone ever made a comic/spy style grappling gun? seems like one of those 'this guy on YouTube' projects, if anyone has any links. (how the fuck would you reset them?)
>>214666501O RLY?Depends on the species dude, there's literally a gazillion arrangements for different specialisations, and yes, some are on the back of the head.
>>214666647The whole point of the character is that he is a scientist that turns into a monster against his will. It's a retelling of Dr Jekill and Mr Hyde. But later in the comics, in the 90's I think, he successfully merged both personas, this is what we see in Avengers Endgame. But then both personas got seprarated again
>>214666114That would be cool to see
>>214666561>They're fucking dogshitI feel like this sums it up perfectly
Where is all the web stored and how is Peter able to expel so much web from his body though?
fuckin spiderphiles ITT.
>>214666818it's explained, he has different rotating nozzles
>>214667024Yes
>>214667022he DOES run out. i assume it's just like saliva/semen/skin, anything else your body is making right now.spiders have actual sacs for their silk, right? i assumed his arms were connected up to something, like veins or a urethra. maybe in his abdomen.
>>214666647Hulks the one it makes the most sense for, contrast.
>>214666909Sometimes i say things that are probably wrong to get people to prove me wrong, but i think you are reading the image incorrectly and those are front facr images so most are top mounted eyes, not sure about lynxs tho, oxopidae. Hard to tell from the actual wiki photo too
>>214666682I don't think it's ever actually been done, which is weird because it's such an obvious compromise.
>>214667045that's the lamest answer, somehow.so the fluid solution is the same, he's just switching between Play-Doh nozzles?
>>214667070yeah did you hear about weaving
>have this as a kid>just take the cans out>fire the silly string at my friends directly
>>214667114>Safe/non toxicWell where's the fun in that
>>214667104>did you hear about weavingi didn't even know he was sick!
>>214667067Just one example where the two posterior eyes are closer to the centre line than the side eyes. This one isn't facing rear of a turret-like head as in the jumping spider, but you get the idea. Given a gazillions of species, I doubt you'd have trouble finding something even more convincing.
I don't like tech webbers because they are used as a reverse clutch>spiderman can fuck this loser villain up too easily>i know lets just say his tech shit broke/his tech shit ran out of webstuffit's lazy writing.Also some scientist could grab a sample of the webbing and reverse engineer it.>inb4 ackshually it vaporizes within an hourMore lazy writing.
>>214666757A decade before it came out?
>>214667201having basic rules and sticking to them is fine, so i think >ackshually it vaporizes within an houris fine. just means it's not this all-powerful thing or they constantly have to deal with it.but yeah "he just runs out" was bullshit. a few times they at least set it up, he's in a hurry and forgets extra fluid, Chekhov's gun shit. but when he just runs out, whenever it's convenient? fuck that. a supervillain couldn't just BREAK his web shooters, intentionally?
>>214667260yep. just like how the Superman comics stole flying from the Superman Fleischer cartoons. even if those came later.
Why would Spider-Man ever NOT have fresh, fully-filled cartridges? Can he not refill half-empty cartridges or something?
>>214666276His spider trackers are designed to be picked up by his spider sense in some versions rather than a separate device.
>>214664945>steaksAverage literacy levels of organic webshooter fans.
>>214667354They are highly pressurised, I always assumed effectively single use like soda bulbs.
>>214664551Blame James Cameron, it’s a holdover from when he was attached to the project
>the movies were my introduction to spiderman>it was only later I discovered comic book accurate needs some shitty gadgets to shot web and can run out of itI couldn't believe how retarded it was and still can't. Oh, so he can stick to walls, sense danger and have superhuman strength but the SPIDERman can't fucking make his own web? He didn't get SPIDER powers from the SPIDER bite? Get the fuck outta here.
>>214667156Those are top facing, thing is there isnt any real evo use for rear eyes non primary are just motion sensors basically and their ass is going to trigger them constantly and they already have hairs to sense things sneaking up in them, they only need top mounts for birds
>>214664551fuck off, it's a classic, no spiderman movie can reach the level of kino of Raimi's Spiderman, not even the cocksucker twink and the nigger, with all the millions of dollars in production and tik tok and all that crap can grasp a pinch of the greatness the Toby's spiderman has.
spiderman should have a big fat ass that he shoots web from
>>214667414would quite like to insert these in myself, if i'm being honest with you.
>>214667537the only way it could get more stupid is if he was already working on web-shooters, then the spider-bite spider-powers happened by coincidence.
>>214667648i think Tobey himself sucks, in fact almost all the actors are poor choices.but the operatic writing is 10/10. one of the benefits of standalone films as opposed to a ton of sequels or a shared universe: can actually have its own style. imagine if you put that same dialogue in a social realist Punisher film or something.
>>214664551I really like the trope of Peter running out of web fluid and needing to restock. Raimi fucked that.I don't remember if the other Spider-Man series did any of that despite having mechanical shooters.And the token references to Peter's intelligence are gay.
>>214664551I am not a comic book nerd and was shocked to learn that there was ever a version of Spodermon that didn't produce webs naturally. The idea that he he needs some external apparatus is as ridiculous as suggesting that Superman has x-ray vision but needs a Kryptonian jetpack to fly. Now that I know it's a thing, it's officially the gayest thing in comics, even gayer than the fact the Cyclops is unable to live a normal daily life without wearing magic sunglasses.
>>214669171yeah, like he was bitten by some clairvoyant bodybuilder hag, and not a spider who's main thing is to weave web
>>214667662Venture Brothers did this, they have an alternate universe spooderman called "Brown Widow" and he has to wear a diaper in case he shoots web at inappropriate times.
>>214669239finally representation for us suffering from adult incontinencethis hero should be brought into the mcu
>>214669204Seriously. The only limitation on Spiderman's webs should be massive caloric requirements like The Flash, "it's pizza time" but he has to eat 20 pizzas/day to replenish protein stores for webbing. Again, as a non comic nerd it's astonishing to me that the idea of artificial webbing was ever even considered. You've already developed a superhero bitten by a magic spider with super-strength, agility, senses, physical resilience, who can climb vertical surfaces, but you draw the line at natural webbing? Pants-on-head retarded, and let's all thank Raimi for correcting the record.
>>214664583James Cameron and I agree
>>214664551It's good because it goes from whatever gay shit it was originally to being about Spider Man shooting rope.
>>214665001>What does he even need a Spider-Bite for if he's a 11/10 super genius?To not get splattered by his villains? You think he's fighting Electro without his powers?
>>214666571That's only in the Ultimate Universe, 616 Peter was bitten at a random science exhibit by a spider who happened to get blasted by tons of radiation.
How does he climb walls if he has gloves on?
>>214671175voice recognition.
If we're being honest if Peter Parker naturally developed webbing due to the spider powers he'd be releasing webbing from his thorax just above his ass.
>>214671585then establish he funnels it from his backside through the lining of his costume to out of his wrists, that way he can aim/see what he's doing.you get both the invention/gadget side of things, AND the biological power side of things.or skip that entirely, with something like 'he just fires webbing out of his wrists' (insane, i know.)
>>214664551It really doesn't matter. Webshooters only exist to run out of juice when drama requires it. Raimi just didn't really seem to want to do the whole "Peter is a scientist" thing.
>>214664551>It's such a raimi thingPeter was going to have organic webs in the script for the 90s James Cameron movie (which the Raimi movie evolved from) so this is a complete lie.
>>214669915Nah, Osborn would have found out and created an army of spiders, scorpions, lizards, and Morbius. Besides, there's Black Cat in the 616th.
>>214666155Spiders can percieve electromagnetic waves and react to them. This also allows them to fly.
>>214664583fpbp /thread
>>214664583no
>>214664551>web shooterhe looks more like a school shooter
>>214664551Webshooters are shit now because writers have Peter too dumb to make them (or at least make them perfect) and forcing Peter to rely on Tony Stark or Norman Osborn to give him perfect webshooters.I’d rather have Peter have natural web-shooting then have Peter have to have a mentor teach him how to make the best webshooters.
>>214664551Nah the web shooters are way cooler
>>214667417This. And Cameron wasn’t wrong
>>214664551I am shocked no one has tried a compromise.Like, Spidey would have organic webbing but the webshooters help distribute the web more precisely or help create different shapes.
>>214672623Holland should have the belt with the web cartridges and spider-light in his next movie.
>>214667354he has spares on his beltthey sometimes write it like he's out of cash in his civilian life, his web ingredients are quite expensivesometimes he's been active for days and didn't have time to reload his beltsometimes he didn't synthesize the thing in lab because he was busy with civilian lifeetc
>>214667537why would he get spider powers from a spider bite
>>214664551It comes naturally with spider powers. It is no less dumb than a fucking SPIDEY SENSE. Artifical webbing/silk is literally one of the greatest engineering holy grails in modern society, a cheap mass produced strong flexible light material with infinite world changing applications. It's fucking retarded a teenager could make it in his shitty New York department. It's on the same magnitude of absurdity as the stupid faggot fucking Flash attosecond panel where the writer does not have the slightest comprehension of the words he uses.Raimis improved the comics.
>>214673385apartment
>>214664551yeah, cause real spiders have to use spider crafted webspinners
>>214664551I think Raimi said they went with organic webbing because there's no way Peter would be able to maintain the web shooters financially in the long term
>>214664551Care to explain why it's dumb?
>>214666804Wasn't that always the plan from the get-go? Besides, we've had too many Spider-Man adaptations where they keep him in high school and he never graduates.
>>214665832lmao expelling organic fluid? Why can't they just say laws against busting a fat nut out your dick. Webs coming from your wrists should be fine.
>>214672623what was the obsession with belts? every 20th century 'spy gadget' story had 'belt with ingenious compartments'.
