What's your favourite Planet of the Apes film /tv/?
I need to watch the whole original saga again. I never got a clear answer, is it a time loop? Does the end of Battle lead into the beginning of POTA? I haven't seen them in a long time. Was that future avoided?
>>214701343The original 5 movies are good. The 2001 remake sucked ass. Never watched any of the newer films.
i'm shocked to enter this thread and see people interested in watching the originals. the 1968 is the ONLY good one, the sequels are genuinely dogshit.
>>214701431I'm about to marathon the sequels to the first, they can't be that bad
>>214701343The one starring Kate Mara
>>214701431I get it senpai u just not into that monke world that's cool senpai but some of us like monke scifi
>>214701569Mark Wahlberg and Kate Mara in her film debut in the movie Planet of the Apes
>>214701400>Never watched any of the newer films.They are actually really good, telling the story of the initial monkeys becoming smart. The 2nd one is not that great but the 1st is brilliant and the 3rd is a great send off to ceaser. The last one is shit, didnt even need to be made and really kind of sullied the ending of the 3rd as it showed humans becoming speechless but in that 4th flick humans are still smart (some of them)They milked it.Apparently they are doing another rone and left the movie up for a sequel.>>214701431>the 1968 is the ONLY good oneWith what I said above the OD sequels also milked it and sullied the original.Been a long time since I watched them but iirc the sequel is just basically a rehash of the 1st without heston then each movie just gets more bonkers after that.Funny though that the make up of those movies are better than the CGI of the newer ones.Still the newer ones being prequels telling the story of cemos, ceaser is a good story.
The new trilogy + the film from last year
>>214701369It's up to the viewer's interpretation, there is no definite answer.>>214701400The 2001 one was alright (not great, but solid entertainment) before going full retard in the last minute.
>>214701922>The 2nd one is not that greatAre you joking?
Recently watched 1 and 2 again with someone who had never been spoiled to 'You blew it all up!' which was great. I remember getting irrationally sad at 3-4 when I was a kid. Zira and Cornelius didn't deserve such a fate.
I liked Battle, caught it during a stream with a bunch of tv denizens a while back. I ought to go back through and watch the old ones, finding out what I watched was the end of a 5 part series has me even more intrigued. Watching how well some of the actors are able to characterize even through all the effects makeup seems hell of a lot more fascinating that just staring at more andy circus mocap
>>214702119Compared to the 1st and 2nd no. Its OK but its rather generic and again focuses on the humans a lot.
>>214702196>someone who had never been spoiled to 'You blew it all up!'Are they from North Sentinel Island by any chance?
>>214701343My fave is the original.Back in the 1990s, the Sci Fi Channel aired all of the sequels and had Roddy McDowell host them. That was the first time I ever saw the sequels. They were decent enough. But the original is still one of my top 10 favorites.
>>214702412I just checked and found the stuff they made with Roddy McDowell to play between the movies and commercialshttps://youtu.be/RZJ5mwQDsIg
>>214701343>S TIER:Original, Rise, War.>A TIER:Conquest, Dawn>B TIER:Escape, Kingdom>F TIER:Beneath, War, 2001 RebootVery weird series. Original movie is kino, #2 is dogshit, #3 and #4 are good, then #5 is dogshit. 2001 reboot is dogshit. Then the modern reboot series is actually consistently good.
I liked Kingdom but it felt a bit derivative of War
>>214702545War and Kingdom feel pretty different. Maybe a similar structure with a adventure first half and then being stuck in a compound in the 2nd half.Kingdom has a weaker script that held it back compared to Rise/Dawn/War. A gigachad protag like Ceaser is hard to top too.
>>214701343The new trilogy is pretty good. Kingdom's only good part was the villain. The original is dogshit and only nostalgic boomers or morons would say otherwise.
>>214702499Planet of the Apes is one of the most consistently good franchises. Compare its track record to stuff like Alien, Terminator, Predator, Star Wars, Trek. Apes is easily the most consistently good, and its lows aren't anywhere near as bad as other franchises.
>>214702499*Battle, not War in F tier.>>214702788I don't know about that. The reboot series is consistently good. But films like Beneath, Battle, and the Tim Burton reboot are really shit though.There's more good than bad. But the bad is really bad.
MonKINO incoming. Is /tv/ ready?The head producers/writers just said they had vague plans for a 9 film series and it'd be cool if they got there. There's more definitive plans for a 4-6 trilogy.
>>214702929Forgot image
A lot of people hate the Tim Burton film, but I've always had a soft spot for it, the effects, atmosphere, and music are all great.
>He can talk he can talk he can talk he can talk....I CAN SIIIIIINNNNGGGGG
>>214701569how come some wypipo lookin so monke
>>214701343The very first one, where Hestington Carlton was all >"Get yerrr stinky nigger paws outta here yoooou filthy jiggaboo ape!"
Apes smell bad and I don't want to watch their movie or be around them . I remember one time at the zoo I saw an ape vomit and then he ate his own vomit.
>>214701343Aside from the preboots, I've only seen the original. I don't remember the preboots well, but I did walk out on the one with Gary Oldman. Not even sure if that was 2 or 3.Planet of the Apes was really good, though.
>>214702950The dogshit writing fails the movie. Would be soul othersise
>>214702950>ruins Willie Wonka remake>ruins POTA remakeI hate Tim Burton.
>>214703171Tim Burtons Chocolate Factory is so vastly superior to the shitty 70s cash grab it's unreal
>>214703223Zoomer
>>214703223Based and correct take.
>>214703288>zero refutation
>>214703321>Willy Wonka but without the charm of the original Go eat a tide pod, nigger.
>>214703371The 70s version was a shitty cash grab made by the Quaker Oats company, with added nonsensical story moments like the fizzy lifting, stealing of said fizzy lifting, and Slugworth being a double agent.Dahl rightfully despised itMeanwhile the superior Burton version is a direct adaptation of the novel with an approved by the estate of Dalh added backstory to WonkaAs far as I can tell, the only reason people like the 70s one is that they watched it firstHell I watched it first and still think Burtons is betterBut this brings me to my broader point, people genuinely don't think about what they watch, they hear something is bad so they believe it to be so
>>214702073>2001 one was alright (not great, but solid entertainment) before going full retard in the last minuteThat's the best part! It wouldn't be a proper POTA film without some bizarre twist. I loved it. I might've liked the film too if they hadn't cast Mark Wahlberg in it. The Rick Baker ape makeup was ridiculously good.
>>214703223Retard
>>214703223>Burtons Chocolate Factory is so vastly superior to the shitty 70s cash grab it's unrealI want to agree, but the visual aesthetic is so cold and Johnny Depp is so uncharismatic in it that I find it doesn't really come together. It does a lot of things I like though. There were some good scenes and good ideas in this one.
>>214703171>>214703223imagine not liking both for their own meritsTim burton's is fuckin better though holy shit
>>214703517I should say despite what I said here being true, >>214703414, I still enjoy the 70s one
>>214702119>Koba holding a gunnuff. said.
Help! The human is about to escape!
>>214702119>I was merely pretending to be retardedBased as fuck strategy I must admit
Light of my life, fire of my loins...
>>214702119Koba kino
>>214702119Rise and War mog Dawn. The human shit in Dawn sucks.Humanslop vs Monekino
Kingdom was actually really good. Or at least way better than I expected it to be.I just wish it had been 3D like the previous 2.
>>214702119I think he's talking about the originals
>>214702929>>2147029409 is pushing it imo, I enjoy the prequel movies but I don't know about stretching the premise that far. Another trilogy would be cool though.
>>214702950I really dig the vibe
Planet > Beneath > Conquest > Escape > Battle2 > 1 > 3 for the new ones, I can't remember the names in order
>>214703910Beneath is ass, what do you like about it? The first half is just a shitty redux of the original. The second half is schizo slop. It's an interesting idea, but very poorly executed and hammy.
1 and 4.
>>214703946I like kooky 70s scifi. Retreading the original is fine with me since it's such a good concept
>>214701343I only watched the reboot and Dawn was my favorite. I wonder if these people made it.
Should the prequel films eventually reboot/remake the original film or would you rather they leave it alone?
>>214702950it's kino
team koba
>>214704083nah, finish the current triolgy and then leave it beanother timeskip and we'll lose the overgrown city aesthetic and have monkeys speaking comfortably. There's hardly any fresh perspectives we can get from rehashing the original stories
>>214704083Not a strict remake, but doing a re-imagining of the concept in a later film would be military grade kino. They already setup the missing rocket in Rise. Go full circle.4-6 can be monkey dark ages, 7-9 could be more advanced monkey civilization shit that leads into the rocket coming back.
Rise is the best one
>>214701343First and second with heston and the rise remake with John Lithgow
>>214701343I can’t believe they made like 5 of these gay movies.
>>214701431>. the 1968 is the ONLY good one, the sequels are genuinely dogshit.second is kino
>>214705028t. marvelfag
>>214705055Original and the 4th one are the best ones in the original run.
>>214704437>They already setup the missing rocket in Rise.But what would a re-imagining accomplish? The 1966 original worked because of that great reveal at the ending. Tim Burton already tried to redo it by having an astronaut land on an Ape planet and eventually lead a rebellion. I don't see a way they could make it interesting because those ideas have been used before.
Absolutely schizokino
>>214705216>Original and the 4th one are the best ones in the original run.Conquest? Conquest is straight up fire. It's awesome.
>>214705437They can still tell a unique and high quality story of "astronaut landing on Ape planet". It just has to be different enough from the original movie, loosely using the plot idea.For example, having an astronaut interact with a 2 movies worth of established ape characters would be really cool. Imagine movies 7/8 are stories about a more advanced ape civilization, then 9 intertwines the rocket subplot.There's a lot of room to play with the idea. A strict remake with similar story beats to the original would be gay, I agree.
>>214701431>the sequels are genuinely dogshit.nah, they're all genuinely entertaining in their own ways.>>214705055>>214705524it had been years since I'd seen it and yeah Beneath is surprisingly unhinged and brutal. it's glorious.
bump for monkino
>>214701431ehh the second movie in the original saga was good too in a way, the actor from the first movie choosing to barely appear thou made it less good
>>214703171the wonka movie was ok but the alice in wonderland movie was dogshit
>>214703999They’re definitely dead
>>214701400I saw the first reboot movie. It was the first time I fell asleep in a movie theater.
>>214708171Then you are retarded
>>214703775"Better than it had any right to be" basically describes all four of the new films. 1 and 2 are legitimately great sci-fi. In under four hours of total runtime they take you all the way through Caesar's hope that another species could do things differently than humans did, to his growing understanding that apes and humans are far more alike than he'd prefer, to the ultimate destruction of his utopia when he's forced to break the cardinal rule (by killing Koba).3 and 4 are just different flavors of war movie, but even if they don't have much to say they're still solid stories in their own right. Never in a million years would I have thought that a Planet of the Apes reboot was going to produce such good stuff, it's nuts.
>>214705796OK, I have an idea that could work:>Ape society has advanced further. They wear clothes, know math and science, etc. Similar to the 1968 version.>They know the rough timeline of the fall of Man and the rise of Ape, but there are still a lot of blank pages.>The Apes seek knowledge and enlightenment, but most humans are feral. The ones that aren't would be hostile to Ape due to the long history of war between them.>An astronaut however, is another matter. Someone who is essentially a time traveler from the past who would have no reason to hate Apes.>The Apes know that a rocket is going to return to Earth, and have calculated where and when it would arrive.>The astronaut is greeted by thousands of Apes who are excited to see them.>While at first it seems that the Apes are united in their excitement for this human's return to Earth, in fact there are a lot of factions wanting the human for different reasons.>Scientists and historians who want their theories confirmed or debunked.>Military-minded gorillas that want more knowledge about planes, powered flight etc>Meanwhile, the bewildered astronaut is being passed around, treated like a celebrity but also gawked at like an animal in the zoo (insert social commentary here)I dunno how the movie would end. It could be depressing or hopeful depending on the tone of the movie. But I think that instead of "Apes are scared of this smart human", we could do "Apes want something from this human, and our human has to decide who to trust."
>start watching escape>zira at the commission says "we might be apes but we're still more civilised than niggers"Holy shit you couldn't get away with that now
>>214701343The one with Jimmy in it.
Can someone explain Escape please?I don't get why they think killing Zira's child will prevent what happens in the future. It's clear the whole species of apes take over and evolve, so how would killing one ape now prevent that?
OOH OOH AAH AAH
>>214702119>waited long enough to let the human know he was merely pretending to be retardedLoved this glorious motherfucker.
They made a TV show in the 1970s. It only lasted 1 season. I believe it was just too expensive and the ratings weren’t phenomenal. It was basically like Kung Fu where the MCs wandered around helping people while being chased by Gorillas on Horseback. But the makeup was worse and the gorilla masks weren’t really believable.
>>214701431this. sequels are joke, with less value than the bottom of the barrel horror trash
>>214701569>>214701802this one was not too bad
>>214701343beneath. if the first 30 minutes weren't a shoddy remake of planets it would easily be the best one
>>214712787>/tv/fag filtered by allegorical cinema
>>214703015Keep talking shit about apes and when they evolve further enough to uprise, you will find yourself in a cage
>>214702971Ooh, help me Dr. Zaius!
>>214707639really stuck in my mind as a child, the skinless freaks singing the hymn
>>214708179>original films - apes are the threat, pro-human, 100% practical effects>new films - pro-n-, I mean pro-chimp, anti-human - main character is a fucking computer sprite.
>>214708256how it ends, bit stolen from apes 2.thr astronaut figures out what they're after, and decides to fix his ship and take off, dropping a gigs nuke on top of the ape city as he goes. apes think he's leaving them a gift, start cheering.
>>214701431>the 1968 is the ONLY good oneFuck you, the 2010s ones were all good.
>>214713240>both follow the "little guy" protag going against the pre-established world rulers>this is bad in the new ones because... it just is ok!?
>>214701431Naw Escape is pretty good. Still, the entire franchise exists under the shadow of the first movie.
I like Beneath.
>>214713368>I'm a marxist communist brainwashed against any kind of instinct or common senseyou're actually deranged if you think anti-human propaganda is healthy for the mind.are you really cheering on some computer animated blms as they make humanity extinct
Recency bias (uuuugh I know) but Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes is currently my #1. I love Apes lore and worldbuilding.
>>214701343I enjoyed Planet of the Apes: The George Floyd Riots
>>214713909was a bit on the nose, lacked the subtetly of the other remakes
The original is the only one worth watchingThe third was not so bad
>>214713529>politics obsession out of nowhereThe story principle is simple, it follows the underdog rising above the rulers. In one it was apes, then it was humans. You couldnt do the prequel following the humans because inevitably, as is already established by the movie set in a later date, humanity falls. And the protag getting buttblasted and defeated beyond doubt tends to leave a sour taste in audience's mouth.>healthy for the mindBitch its a fiction movie, its to be watched for fun not for le redditerino wholesome mental health treatment or whatever the fuck you think.
>>214701343Original > Conquest > Beneath > Dawn > Escape > Rise > Battle > War > Kingdom > 2001
>>214708256i like this idea
>>214714088why are you pretending to talk like an american black when you aren't one.the original films were a warning about in-fighting being a distraction when the real threat was subhumans taking over and making a mockery of our civilisation.heston fixes this by nuking the apes in #2.the new films are instead blm simulators, ans if you don't think media affects the people watching it, why does advertising exist. likely you 'think' it doesn't work on you, while wearing addidas trainers.
