Why didn't The Thing just calmly explain that it's a lost alien that wanted to leave the planet without any trouble? It worked for E.T. the extra terrestrial.
>>214705506He didnt talk he just went HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH
>>214705506Because it was an evil space parasite that only wants to consume things to add them to its internal library of all things.>but the short storyFine, it was a not-evil space parasite that only wants to consume things and somehow hasn't noticed that the sentient races it fucking obliterates are rather unfond of that idea.
>>214705506Because it was a more of an animal/beast than an intelligent alien. Either way i think this movie is kinda mid, i didn't like it much when i watched it
so were either of them The Thing at the end? Saw it for the first time recently, it was pretty great
>>214705506because it was a virus that wanted universal domination, humans were just as much a part of the thing as the gunfarians or zunlios or whatever
>>214705660doesn't he talk during the blood and hanging scenes?
>>214705696It's been a while, but isn't Brimley still unaccounted for by the end of the movie?No way to know if Childs got hit or not, but my gut says no.
>>214705696>>214705801the black guy is probably a thing but carpenter probably did enough things to make it intentionally ambiguous. like there is a shot of the coats then the black guy leaves and then another shot of the coats but the dark one, like the one he is wearing, is missing
>>214705660>>214705787It almost certainly talks as Palmer before getting uncovered in the blood test scene.
>>214705696Neither were. The shifty game confirmed this and is considered canon.
>>214705855no John Carpenter said it was canon because he was paid to say it was
>>214705801>isn't Brimley still unaccounted for by the end of the movieAre you blind?
>>214705945I was trying to think of Nauls, gomensorry
>>214705506Because it met Norwegians first
>>214705842It talks as Palmer and Norris. And you can see them look to each other while trying to plan how to react to the Human's attempts to discover it
>>214705506It did. It explained to Clark and they were friends. But then they killed Clark and not only was it super pissed off they killed its best friend, but it knew it couldn't trust any of the other humans
>c'mon blaire you dont want to hurt anybody>ILL KILL YOU
>>214705696Modern audiences love to belive Macready was the thing at the end. Stupid theory in every way, Macready's perspective is the audience's window into the movie, if you believe he is the thing you are a prententious fil fag who like the smell of your own farts. I know that Macready seems to think Childs is the thing at the end by the way he smiled at him. I choose to believe that Childs is himself, and they both die paranoid that the other is the thing. If Childs was the thing he would have no reason to pretend to Macready, there is no escape from the doomed base at this point and no one to defend Macready. He is totally vulnerable, and if Childs was the thing he would attack.
>>214706608why dont we just sit here for awhile, see what happens
>>214706015>chooses the autistic dog fucker as its human liaisonnot too bright, was it
>>214705960Nauls is only unaccounted for because his death scene wasn't filmed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiN1ctz9l8c
>>214705660That was the sound Tim Allen made while being raped in prison.
>>214705691honestly I like this interpretationthe Thing is like a parrot that learns things from what it assimilates but has no intelligence or creative spark of its own, which is why it tried to turn a helicopter into a spaceship instead of just quietly hiding out or learning how to pilot the chopper to the mainland
>>214706608I like the Molotov theory. MacReady gives Child's a Molotov cocktail and then he drinks it, assuming it's liquor, showing that he's been infected by The Thing.
>>214706608the video game and comic both have macready as not a thing and john carpenter confirmed them both as canon
>>214705506Paranoid
>>214705506I believe that The Thing was a bioweapon created by an alien species and this is why the crash at the beginning happened at the beginning
How do you make a 10/10 masterpiece then go on to direct something like this
>>214707187I have never heard of this movie. But from the poster, was this the inspiration for Ego in Guardians of the Galaxy 2?
why didn't they just find some little containers and blood test each other again?
>>214707365Because it taught it's blood not to freak out this time.
>>214707579are you trolling or retarded
>>214705506This movie fucking sucked balls. Every carpenter movie aside from efny mogs it.
>>214707579Makes sense, thanks. Pain suppression to avoid detection, huh.
>>214707680Both. >>214707751Yeah. Every cell is capable of feeling pain and can transmit that pain to other cells. It could probably "suppress" the pain by isolating the cells that are about to get fried. Or it could be capable of producing "dead cells".
https://youtu.be/IKDXNuqNDAw?si=1CTgEGsVX3NuZI59Never expected a review of The Thing from old Plague but it's in season and he gives a lot of good insight. Funny to think that the crew and even creators of the Thing didn't know how it functioned or worked. Also, the idea of the Thing viewing intelligence as just a resource instead of a goal like humans strive for is pretty terrifying.
>>214707795the thing is selfish and each part only thinks about its own survival. one can't bring itself to let itself die to cover for another, that's the whole reason the test works. and if the main body started killing blood cells as they came out a finger cut, the hand would think it's under attack and separate of its own will like norris's head when the body was on fire
>>214705801>Mac offers him a drink, Child’s takes it and drinks.>”we should prepare our own food and only eat out of cans”Mac laughs when Child’s willlingly takes the drink because that gives away the fact he’s a thing, no human would accept sharing a drink with someone else in fear of assimilation. Mac is living the paranoid human thought process and Childs clearly isn’t anymore otherwise he’d never take that sip. It echos the opening when Mac pours his drink into the chess machine after getting checkmated, sharing a drink as a last ditch effort against an adversary who has already won.
>>214707187Starman is a fine movie for it's time. I wanna know how my favorite director of all time (The THing, Big Trouble, Mouth of Madness) made the WORST fucking movie of all time (Ghost of Mars) - it's not Ice CUbe, he can't act but he's never ruined other movies
>>214708178he was just really thirsty
>>214706957It’s a perfect imitation, seemingly memories intact and all, so it would be able to tell the taste of something. The fact Childs is willing to share food with Mac at all is the tell the Child’s is infected, otherwise Childs wouldn’t dare take that sip from a potential thing.
>>214708178good point but at that point they were both dead men (or a dead man and a thing) walking - they would freeze to death once the fires died down and Mac knew it. No sense worrying about infection then.
Childs is the thing. The film literally shows you the bath the thing takes as it comes up from the generator room to where childs was falling asleep at his post earlier. There's no reason for that shot otherwise and it's a pretty involved one. Look at the parallels between the shots at 1:26:40 and 1:29:20. Carpenter has been trolling idiots by saying it's supposed to be ambiguous when he actually spells it out for you.
>>214708335A shitty screenshot example in sequence
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>>214706873>but has no intelligence or creative spark of its own, which is why it tried to turn a helicopter into a spaceshipThis ruins the just a parasite theory, it is smart enough to buil a spaceship.
>>214708270People literally kill themselves rather than find out what being infected is like in the movie, are you trapped in there forever conscious but no longer in control? Is it painful maybe even painful forever to be assimilated? It’s a horrifying thought. If Child’s was human he’d be cautious of Mac and any drink or food he’d offered no matter how hopeless things are. If Child’s is a thing he’d only be trying to “act human” and sharing a drink is a normal human thing that would appear to be the right human move to do. However if Childs was actually frightened and paranoid the way Mac is, he wouldn’t take that drink. The Thing can imitate humans perfectly but it wouldn’t actually be afraid the way Mac is, that part would be an act that it can fail.
>>214708397but you can't build a spaceship from a helicopter, and a smart alien would realize thatit's just using bits and pieces of knowledge it gained, like a kid playing with dad's tools
>>214708335They also see "Childs" walking out of the base after it's established that his post is empty and the door was left open. You don't leave doors open up there, especially if it's where you're guarding.
>>214705506https://youtu.be/IKDXNuqNDAw?si=sOHoIOFCny5uyiCr
>>214708335I can't rebutt or refute this as my version is 1:48:42 in length and that timestamp isa blood test for me (cuts from "tied to this fucking couch" to Childs waiting at a window.)>>214708402I hear ya, but I think it's more of a "I'm too tired, maybe later" realization no one has any strength to go on.I could be a film fag and go >"the fun is in NEVER knowing and having discussions with friends about who is and isn't" but I also spent 20 FUCKING years thinking Childs was the Thing because his breath never showed up in VHS copies I watched in the 80s and 90s. I'm tired... maybe later.
>>214708465Holy shit anon just wait like 6 seconds, your copy is 8 seconds longer than mine.
>>214708455>>214707958Yeah we get it. You watched a navalgazing video from a depressed furfag and you feel like you NEED to share it. You don't.
Alright boys, you know the deal.Dubs are the Thing, Anon, you take the other flamethrower, and keep a close eye on Anon
>>214708425Maybe you can? It’s an advanced alien species that likely has already assimilated lots of advanced species and has the stored knowledge of entire planets of sentient beings with all their smartest minds collective knowledge combined. it might know how to do all sorts of advanced science and potentially only needs some basic things to do so. You can make a lightbulb from a potato and some metal wires fairly easily, go back in time and show someone thing and it’s literal advanced magic pulled from nearly nothing. The thing might know how to change the molecular compound of things with a simple process we have yet to discover, it’s completely unknowable however in the films logic it appears the thing was infact capable of building a spaceship from scraps.
Also Carpenter confirmed on twitter that one of them was the thing.
>>214708479no Childs, Mac, narls and old white dude head out to blairs shack in this cut after Mac talks to CHilds next to the window and find the tunnel to the space ship and blow it up.>I don't remember what cut this was called, had it since 2010.
>>214708504How could getting dubs prove anyone is the thing or not? Stupid fucking post.
>>214708522>Mac talks to CHilds next to the windowThat's the first shot. Notice how it creeps in through the door. Now go to like 1:29:30 and you'll see the parallel very easily.
>>214708500>>214708522
>>214708522Quick burn it!
>>214705506was the prequel good enough to watch?
The Carpenter and Russel commentary is incredible btw
>>214708596Not really, a lot of rehashing and early 10s cheap CGI
>>214708547OK I see it. Still not convinced but I could see the jump - also could see the jump that it was PoV of Childs as human checking corners as he prepped to go outside after seeing the door was open instead of shut.>>214708584>>214708570I should probably get a newer version with some commentary tracks
>>214705506Why was it critically panned so hard on release? Can't think of another film whose reviews were that bad, that is now considered one of the best of the genre.
>>214708596It's just a remake but MEW was cute in it.
>>214708596PUTA whore is in it.>spit
>>214708648It was years before she was corrupted by that irish cocksucker.
>>214708512If the Thing had this quadruple-digit IQ then it wouldn't be so bad at subterfuge. It sperged out and blew its cover the very first night
>>214708644it was 1982 - Feel good alien movies like Close Encounters of the Third Kind and ET were still fresh on people's mind. In Starlog and Fangoria magazines for the time that covered horror and sci fi and FX praised the living fuck out of the movie.Boxoffice wise, it was a slow psychological burn that hit a little too close to home for older people / WaterGate era. It wasn't markeded well and had a SHITTY at the time movie byline:Man is the warmest Place to Hidethat they changed to The Ultimate in Alien Terror which turned other fans away thinking there would be a lot of alien battles and attacks.I can't pinpoint when during the theater run they changed it but I remember being a child when it came out and asking my father what the byline meant. He was a crazy man that took me to horror films like Alien and Amityville Horror in theaters when I was WAY too young for them.
>>214708675She is not innocent.And the prequil was all right, did a lot of decent callbacks to the first movie and seemed to have deaths and murders happen as fortold in The Thing 1982.I liked the piercings / fillings couldn't be replicated part - kinda smart DESU.
>>214708750It was also very autistic.
>>214708504My turn.
>>214708512if it had the power to transmute metal or alter physics at such a fundamental level, why would it behave like it does? okay the move is not HARD sci-fi but I'm sure in Thing-iverse a helicopter made of aluminum, steel, rubber glass and plastic can't be turned into an interstellar ship, and any alien that could travel to earth would know this. the Thing is more like a disease than a fully sentient creatureyou know in Terminator when the Terminator is searching its memory bank for a pre-learned response? that's how I think the Thing operates. it assimilates knowledge and uses bits and pieces but it doesn't have feelings, hopes, dreams or anything like that for itself
The alternate ending would have been nice, the entire production debacle of them discarding the practical effects was a huge mistake.
>>214708750It has all the time in the universe and freezing doesn’t kill it. Legitimately there’s the possibility it enjoys playing with its victims and the whole movie it was in control and just messing around. It is entirely possible the thing is insanely intelligent and unbeatable physically and mentally and doesn’t care if it takes a billion years to unthaw as that’s nothing in its infinite lifespan. It’s such an unknowable alien creature, does it think at all or just a parasite mimicking extremely intelligent beings? Does each assimilated human think they’re human until the thing has to take over due to danger? Is it super smart with eons of civilization harvesting knowledge? Did it build the first ship or simply assimilate its crew? Is it a hive mind all acting as one or is it reproducing more and more beings with all of the knowledge and abilities of every being its assimilator had already gathered? Not being able to fully comprehend or get in the head of the thing is part of what makes the movie great but at the end of the day fact is it’s intelligence might be beyond all comprehension, we do not know.
>>214708840Wait! Im not the thing, I think Im Hitler.
>>214708844I'm gonna get that thussy
>>214708622>>214708644
>>214708249>It’s a perfect imitation, seemingly memories intact and allYeah but is it? There's not really any clear rules. My other piece of evidence would be the scene where Wilford Brimley is trying to convince Russell to let him out while a noose is hanging there. Brimley is already converted, The Thing just doesn't have the cultural context to understand that a noose is used for hanging. Not to mention just that MacReady having a bottle of liquor still and his chuckle after Child's drinks it, like he knows something he doesn't.
>>214708841“Good sir you cannot take an apple of the earth and these metal triflings and create the light of a candle wick!”Again you can make a lightbulb from a potato and some wire but show someone a few hundred years ago and it’s literal impossible magic. You cannot know what kind of science the thing, with potentially infinite assimilated civilizations worth of knowledge can perform with simple objects. You’re making massive assumptions about how the thing operates, it absolutely may have its own thoughts and desires or it might be a mindless parasite imitating what appears to be sentient thoughts. We cannot know for sure do not assume anything about how it works. Fact is in the movie universe it attempts to build a spaceship which makes it seem very cunning and not mindless.
>>214708965anon are you talking about using potatoes to generate electricty? i had a potato-powered clock as a kid, but it used two of them to power a wristwatch sized LCD, basically. anyway you can use a potato to make a thin wire glow but that's as close to a 'lightbulb' as... a helicopter is to an intergalactic starship
>>214708644it was boring and it still is. best of the genre? mindhunters and identity owns this movie.
>>214708504oh god this is stupid
>>214705690Ender's game has a similar premise about hive minds not understanding individual sapience.
>>214708397I just figured it used whatever slushie of information/intelligence it got from the aliens and the humans (stfu it's absolutely implied that it killed the aliens in the big saucer) to slap together an attempt at what it recognized as a space worthy vessel, realized it wasn't as easy as the humans and aliens made it look, and then dropped it, leaving a funny little shell of a baby saucer that probably didn't even have power
>>214708750*wanders across the foreground while making weird broken-siren noise* TEEHEE I'M GONNA GETCHA X)
I’m a creature artist working on a related project and it’s the most fun I’ve ever had.
