>be a cunt to all noblemen>stain your reputation by whoring around>take no part in governance even when your father becomes ill>when your stepmother tries to conciliate, spit in her face>When your father tries yell: "WHERE IS MA THRONEEE!"Seriously, it's stupid on so many different factors.Firstly, she was only made the heir in order to prevent Daemon from inheriting, but she married him, so he would gain power if she ascended the throne so logically she should have been disinherited the moment she married Daemon.Secondly, the whole excuse of prophecy is redundant, why does she have to be the queen so she can help out in the Wall? Nothing is preventing her from moving to the Wall and helping the Night's Watch
She was named heir by the king, whose word is absolute. Practically all nobles declared fealty to her and her kids. The king later having trueborn kids doesn't invalidate his ruling or the oaths of his vassals. Aegon is a usurper and Alicent a traitor. This is a Blacks thread.
because>MUH PROPHECY REEEEEEEEEEEIn hindsight what a aegon was for not just making it public, don't you want the people to support you? dumbfuck
>>214731738I love her
>>214733402Wrong
>>214731738Viserys should have just forced Rhaenyra to marry Aegon when Laenor died. Problem solved
>>214731738it's punk rock. you wouldn't get it.>Sapochnik recalls. “‘If you really focused in on the patriarchy’s perception of women, and the fact that they’d rather destroy themselves than see a woman on the throne.’ That wasn’t a perspective I have ever told before. I think it made this show feel more contemporary too.”>“We said, ‘What if Alicent is like “Women for Trump,” and Rhaenyra’s like punk rock?’” Anarchy in Westeros? Count us in.https://www.empireonline.com/tv/news/house-of-the-dragon-is-about-the-patriarchys-perception-of-women-exclusive-image/
what would you have her do?
>>214734593Fuck Lucerys
>>214734650
>>214734593>>214734650>>214734826>The gooey warm sensation inside her and the sordid knowledge that it was her own beloved son who was emptying his baby-making batter inside her brought Rhaenyra to her own orgasm a moment later, as she shivered and gasped against him, grinding her pelvis against his as he continued filling her.>When their mutual orgasm died down, she collapsed atop him with a long sigh, planting kisses on his shoulder. They said nothing for several moments before she ran her fingers through his brown hair. “Luke…are you alright?”
>>214733402I just cringed so hard. You’re an embarrassment
>>214733595That doesn't matter, they swore vows.
>>214733595>Rhænyra never would have tried to kill her brothers if they didn't usurp her throneCorrect.>Maester Æmon had to join the nightswatch to avoid problems during Egg's reignHe was already a nerd who preferred reading, and didn't need persuading to opt out of potential drama.>A third of the country was already willing to oppose Rhænyra before she even hd time to screw upDid you forget Alicent was ruling through the sick Viserys? It was no accident that Rhænyra was already unpopular.>Wanted Aemond torturedShe wanted him sharply questioned to ascertain where he heard such calumnies.>Had Vaemond fed to SyraxBeen years since i read the thing, so I'll go by the show. How do you slander the heir , before the king in his fucking throne, and not get your head lopped off?>Married to a violent compulsive psychopathImpulsive, you mean. A fierce reputation is not a bad thing in a king; he's known for being effective. You forget Dæmon was next in line after Viserys. You'd be picking two royals for the price of one. As for Her Grace, you're attacking her character, not the legitimacy of her claim which is actually enhanced by adopting Targaryen custom.>Her intentions are irrelevantViserya was far from a controversial heir, since Rhænys was only briefly considered. The king ruled justly, appointed an heir of his own blood. Lastly, as far as anyone is concerned, Luke, Jace and Joff are Lænor's, no matter the actual sperm donor who got to nut in prime Millie Alcock; whereas Aegon III and Viserys II are Dæmon's. Inb4 people have eyes, boy. Nobody would question shit if not for Alicent's influence and dedication to install her own kid. Centuries later Renly would openly shag half the boys in King's Landing, despite clear laws against buggery: everyone knew, no one cared.Even if the heirs are called into question, those by her uncle are indesputably Targaryen on both sides. If anyone should be king, it's Ægon the Younger.
>finally have a /got/hotd/ thread people are posting in>wake up to it archived
>>214734826>maims his uncle in a childish fight>never apologizes>laughs at it evenLuke doesn't get as much hate as he should, everyone's like "ooh hes just a wee lil lad!" but if any other kid had stabbed out a prince's eye they'd be dead or sent to the Wall, yet Luke got no punishment.I'm glad Vhagar chomped his bastard ass.
>>214731738fantasy king is a bad king. I think this factoid goes over normies or even the woman writers head. The house of the dragon had a civil war because the king everyone liked was terrible at his job and his daughter was about as bad as him too which led to her death. The show writers will probably have her run off across the sea or something retarded.
>>214735911Some of their fathers did, and many of those fathers have passedDid Rhaenyra not swear vows unto her Velyrion husband? One need but look at her sons to know the value of her oaths.
>>214737204Viserys was such a shitty father and king, but damn was his actor great in the show.Honestly made me kind of pity him, poor guy just wanted his family to get along so he could spend more time playing with his Legos.
>>214737241>his actor great in the showYou should watch Dead Man's Shoes.
>>214737289Such a good film. I cried so much.
>>214737324There are people who still don't understand the ending.
>>214737122how can you hate this face
>>214737122>maims his uncle in a childish fight>never apologizes>laughs at it evenI kneel. After his death, show was never the same.
>>214737537You mean the fact that Richard had resentment towards his brother and was embarrassed about him?
>>214737724We going to continue this forever?
>>214731738>Firstly, she was only made the heir in order to prevent Daemon from inheriting, but she married him, so he would gain power if she ascended the throne so logically she should have been disinherited the moment she married Daemon.Why do you think so? If that was the reason, Viserys would have chosen Aegon. Daemon had been through highs and lows, but by the time he married Rhaenyra, Viserys wanted him back.It's actually cool that they got married and that Laena's children married Rhaenyra's children. Politically, it made things more stable.
>>214737920>Why do you think so? If that was the reason, It literally was it, Otto convinced him that nobody wants Daemon as their king.>Viserys would have chosen AegonHe literally named Rhaenyra as the heir before he even married Alicent, and Aegon was born.
>>214731738alright niggas. how woke is this? thinking about watching it.
>>214737986>how woke is this?very>thinking about watching it.don't.>Sara Hess, who’s one of the executive producers and the lead writers for the show, said to me on the first day, “There’s so much of Hillary Clinton [in Rhaenys].” God knows you couldn’t compare Viserys to the other one [former President Trump], but the similarities are very clear — to see that the person who is absolutely, hands down, best suited for the job is sidelined simply because she’s a woman, and then has to somehow find her way.https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2024-07-07/rhaenys-house-of-the-dragon-eve-best>"It was very important for Miguel and I to create a show that was not another bunch of white people on the screen," Condal told EW. "We wanted to find a way to put diversity in the show, but we didn't want to do it in a way that felt like it was an afterthought or, worse, tokenism."https://www.businessinsider.com/house-of-the-dragon-creators-didnt-want-mostly-white-cast-2022-7and see >>214733925
>>214733925Contemporary means woman is a retard
>>214737977>Otto convinced him that nobody wants Daemon as their king.When exactly did this happen? Viserys got butthurt from "Heir for a Day" and that was the reason for his decision. I don't know why you think "nobody wanted" Damon. Otto didn't want it, but he's not the only person whose opinion matters.>He literally named Rhaenyra as the heir before he even married Alicent, and Aegon was born.But he was born, and Rhaenyra is still the heir. She married Daemon many years later, it is her second marriage.
>>214733595Why this look like "meme" made by a kid?
i havent read the books but who locks up otto late into season 2?
>>214738110Doesn’t happen in the book. Your guess is as good as a bookfags anon.
>be Corlys Velaryon>made your family go from small valyrian back up family to richer than the Lannisters>get your son married to the crown princess who's to be queen>your daughter also marries the King's brother>things looking good>alleged "grandsons" all come out whiter than freshly fallen snow on the Wall>forced to accept a bastard will claim your family seat>daughter dies of childbirth, allegedly>just saying, Daemon's first wife died suspiciously, and childbirth is a good excuse>shortly after your son dies too>the two people married to your dead kids run off and get married only a few months after their partners died>ridiculously suspicious>yet you still back them and support Team BlackCorlys has to be the dumbest motherfucker, I get he's ambitious to get his blood on the throne, but being willing to wait for a great-grandchild he wont live to see crowned is just insane.
>>214735508>“Luke…are you alright?”Ryan Condal is a pervert. Every scene where adults interact with Luke has hidden sexual tension.
>>214738110>>214738145I don't think even the writers know
>>214737845Nope. The you were supposed to be a monster, now I'm the monster part. I've heard a lot of people being disappointed that Richard didn't kill the last guy to avenge his brother. Richard ran from his responsibilities due to embarrassment and the guilt/shame of what happened because of it is too much for him to bear, especially after all he's done to "rectify" the situation. That's why he asks the last one if his brother was calling his name.
>>214738146>>alleged "grandsons" all come out whiter than freshly fallen snow on the WallOne of many reasons why race swapping creates just more issues
>>214738146He has no alternative. He wants to protect his grandchildren (all of them).
>>214738166is there any /ss/ scene on the books?
>>214738270We have same mushroom story, but it doesn't involve Rhaenyra's children, unfortunately.
>>214738268I’m just curious if they did it on purpose, to ensure the audience is fully aware of their bastard status, or was it just a funny coincidence they decided to make Velaryons black and no one thought of how that might come off as.
>>214738166My favorite is when Aegon slams him into the table. Something about that scene makes it strangely hot.
>>214738401This was done on purpose to make it obvious (Condal said this).
>>214738146Driftmark and Oldtown were in a low-key trade war with one another beneath the Iron Throne at the time, both with mighty trade fleets and vying for naval influence. So the Velyrions aren't going to seriously back any candidate who is part Hightower due to their own competing mercantile interests.
>>214733595based
>>214738242Oh I see what you mean. Yeah I can see the ending being frustrating for someone if that part goes over their head. I’ve never discussed the film outside of /tv/ though (and /tv/ posters are pretty bright even if they pretend to be retarded) so I’m not sure what the average Joe takes away from the ending. I’m guessing you’ve met people who’ve seen it and that’s what you are talking about?
>>214733402>She was named heir by the king, whose word is absolute.not under Andal law, lizard people need to fuck off back to Essos and live in the burning ruins they made
The thing with making the Velaryons black is how to try and explain it, like it had to be a fairly recent thing such as Corlys father married a Summer Islander or something. It can’t go further back, because Corlys’ grandfather was siblings with the king Jaehaerys mother, and he was white. Not to mention how she went on to marry a Baratheon, and her children with him were Baratheon colored. This is why race changing is just fucking confusing.
>>214738583Even under Dragonstone law, Aegon should have been before Rhaenyra. Otherwise the Histories of Targaryan rule of Westeros would have started with Visenya the Conquerer.
>>214738583>>214738642TB fans are so obsessed with the Valyrian supremacy that Daemon and Rhaenyra preach they forget that House Targaryen adopted most of Westeros culture in order to rule it.
>>214733595>Bah nah want to torture little AemondReddit shit detected.
Rhaenyra is a dumb entitled whore, simple as
What have YOU done to advance the cause of The Greens this week?
>>214738686This has nothing to do with superiority. King's word is law. That's how things done in Westeros.
>>214738734Cringe.
>>214738734I repeatedly raped Alicent and hid all the moon tea
>>214738583>“Then who shall sit the Iron Throne?” demanded Lord Celtigar. “Princess Aerea,” Lord Rogar answered at once. “There is a fire in her Jaehaerys does not have. She is young, but I can continue as her Hand, shape her, guide her, teach her all she must know. She has the stronger claim, her mother and father were King Aenys’s first and secondborn, Jaehaerys was fourth.”. “Her mother will support her. Queen Rhaena. And Rhaena has a dragon.”>She has the stronger claim, her mother and father were King Aenys’s first and secondborn, Jaehaerys was fourth.”Rhaena > Jaehaerys right there. And there are plenty of similar things thrown here and there in book. It's always been debatable whether woman can precede a man in the line of succession or not. Rhaenyra being CHOSEN makes her 100% legitimate. Greens are usurpers and treated as usurpers in the Westerosi historical context.
>>214739005hot mommy
>>214739046>Greens are usurpers and treated as usurpers in the Westerosi historical context.no they fucking aren't, by the time of the War of Five Kings, everyone writes Rhaenyra off as the usurper>"It has always been so. I am not . . . I am not a cruel man, Ser Davos. You know me. Have known me long. This is not my decree. It has always been so, since Aegon's day and before. Daemon Blackfyre, the brothers Toyne, the Vulture King, Grand Maester Hareth . . . traitors have always paid with their lives . . . even Rhaenyra Targaryen. She was daughter to one king and mother to two more, yet she died a traitor's death for trying to usurp her brother's crown. It is law. Law, Davos. Not cruelty."
>>214738545I saw those types of comments on a torrent tracker and other places outside of /tv/. People were expecting Richard to just go commando on everyone like some John Wick movie.
>>214739081Stannis is Baratheon, what else he supposed to say? " "My ancestor was a treacherous traitor and an oath breaker"?"Fire and Blood" is a history book. It portrays the greens not as "legitimate" side. They are depicted as usurpers. Even Eustace, pro-green narrator, doesn't say they were right; he agrees, "What brother steals his sister's throne?" but he softens this by saying that the greens feared for their lives and that's why they staged the coup. Blacks and Greens described in completely different tones.
>>214731738women should only rule if they're hot
>>214739105It’s obvious from the beginning it’s going to be far bleaker than your average revenge flick. You get that ominous feeling that the ending is going to fuck you up for a couple of days.
>>214739284I'm guessing the people who left those comments were told by others the gist of the movie "guy comes back to take revenge" and that it's good and went in expecting a regular action film. Then they were blindsided by the fact that the film requires a tiny bit of thinking. Similar thing happened with Guy Ritchie when he made Revolver but all his fans wanted Snatch 2 and complained that it sucked when in fact they didn't get it.
>>214739255YESS
>>214733595>Rhaenyra>Maester>Aemon>Vaemond>SyraxFaentaesyx writaers are pathaetyx
>>214738766King's word is law, but only so long as he's alive. After that, it is the law of the land that makes the new King. Aegon II had he right to be King due to his line of descent, but what made him the King was when the High Septon anointed him and placed the crown upon his brow. From that moment fourth, Rhaenyra was his subject and owed him fealty. Instead she rose as a traitor to unseat him.
>>214739542>mfw I just realised that Aemon, Aemond and Vaemond are 3 different characters
>>214739421>Similar thing happened with Guy Ritchie when he made Revolver but all his fans wanted Snatch 2 and complained that it sucked when in fact they didn't get it.Kek. Yeah Revolver is a bit different from most of his work. I wonder if he genuinely is passionate about making a lot of action comedies or if it’s just where he feels safe because of the success of Snatch. I will never forgive him for making Sherlock Holmes a likeable non autist though, although the movies would probably be not very good if he didn’t.
>>214739565>King's word is law, but only so long as he's alive. After that, it is the law of the land that makes the new King.Incorrect. The crown belongs to the king. He passes it on to his heir, whom he chose and to whom the lords swore allegiance. Violating this order is usurpation and must be stopped (which is what was done). All participants in the coup asked for forgiveness and left hostages for the new king, Aegon III.
>>214739574What about Vaemond and Visemon, and Daegon?>>214739542I prefer Valyrian names over cringe modified European names like: Eddard, Catelyn, Allicent
>>214739644Seems he branched out a bit. I see some war, spy and fantasy movies on imdb.
>>214739880>>214739880>fantasyYeah he made a really bad King Arthur movie, it had David Beckham in it. >spyThe Man from U.N.C.L.E. is worth a watch.Turns out he directed the Aladdin remake with Will Smith as the genie too. Odd choice of project.
>>214739678>The crown belongs to the kingCorrect>He passes it on to his heir, Incorrect. The need to pass the crown to the heir means the king is dead, so the institutes of state pass on the crown.>whom he choseIncorrect, Aegon was the oldest true-born son Son. He was never disinherited, so he was the heir by the laws of succession.>and to whom the lords swore allegiance.Incorrect. Scant few of those lords who swore those oaths remained, and Aegon had not been born when those pledges were made - Aegon's very birth invalidated them.>Violating this order is usurpation and must be stopped (which is what was done).Correct. The usurper Rhaenyra Targaryan was executed by way of Dragon, her name omitted from the histories of the lawful succession of Westeros.>All participants in the coup asked for forgiveness and left hostages for the new king, Aegon III.Correct - Aegon III was himself a hostage of the court of Aegon II in the aftermath of the dance, to reign in the forces that had fought for the usurper-queen.
>>214740019>fantasy He also directed a film this year about finding the fountain of youth. >spyimdb also lists Operation Fortune: Ruse de Guerre which has the tagline>Elite spy Orson Fortune recruits a movie star to help him stop the sale of a new weapons technology.
>>214740019>Odd choice of project.Guess he doesn't want to be known as just the "(funny) gangster film director" but that's what people seem to want from him.
>>214740065>so he was the heir by the laws of succession.there is no formal order of succession
>>214740082>finding the fountain of youthMixed reviews but it was written by the guy that wrote Zodiac. >>214740098What would you have him do?
Any other directors you want to talk about while we are at it?
>>214740635Horror movie. >Guy Ritchie's Dracula
Will their be adlibbed gay kissing in season 3 like season 2?
>>214733595so? king's word is law, green cuck
>>214741189/got/hotd/ritchie/ it is then. >Guy Ritchie’s DraculaCast it. Jason Statham as Van Helsing, Stephen Graham as Renfield, Vinnie Jones as Dracula.
>Jaime Lannister is a secret Hightowerhttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt14270702/characters/nm0182666/?ref_=tt_cst_c_2
>>214741353Jason Flemyng as Dracula and Dexter Fletcher as Van Helsing.
>>214741356And Madonna as Mina Harker.
>>214741513But it’s the bogged Madonna.
>>214741513>>214741534No more Madonna since he divorced her. His worst rated film has her in the main role. A remake of Swept Away.
Can you retards just do /got/dunk/ instead of /got/hotd/dunk/? Hotd has nothing to do with Dunk&Egg.
>>214741636There are barely any actresses in his filmography to pick from, Rachel McAddams as Mina and Kelly Reilly as Lucy for some non meme suggestions then. Jared Harris too.
>>214741640>starting this argument again to keep the thread bumped
>>214741881Speaking of Kelly Reilly and bleak midlands kinos what did you think of Eden Lake?
>>214740065That's the point of choosing your rightful heir: you're doing something you can't do after death. That's why Viserys had to name an heir— he could die at any moment, and people need to know for who they're supposed to serve.>He was never disinherited, so he was the heir by the laws of succession.No. Of course he wasn't the heir, because Otto had begged Viserys to name him instead of Rhaenyra many times. It wasn't done. Aegon is sixth in line.>Scant few of those lords who swore those oaths remained, and Aegon had not been born when those pledges were made - Aegon's very birth invalidated them.That's not how it works. Until the oaths are deannounced they are valid. Rhaenyra was never deanonymized; all lords who swore to protect her rights as heir must do so (and almost all did, preferring to die rather than be an oathbreaker).>Cringe is a coping mechanism. Lannisters, Baratheons and Hightowers begged forgiveness and left hostages. Arryn, Starks and Velaryons celebrated victory. Not the other way around.
>>214741895I will continue to shitpost on these generals
They swapped tranny for a real boy, thank God.
Thoughts?
