Which film's message did you associate more with?
>>214758778I think if god makes you happy and/or stops you from being an evil weirdo then that’s good for you.
Do you think she has stuck her wand in her urethra?
>>214758778I'd fuck her and then fuck her again when she was cosplaying a cat.
>>214758778If God actually exists, then he set up a pretty shitty system where people with functioning brains are forced to reckon with the fact that his biggest ambassadors are redneck retards and third world brownoids.
>>214758778>gaytheist spiel begins with "i'm sorry"tells you everything you need to know.
>>214759023I don't exactly get what is the "gotcha" here, but okay. If you say so, frog person. Who am I to argue with your logic?
>>214758823What is "evil" if God doesn't exist?
>>214759053Spending your day jerking off on public transportation and shoplifting
>>214759053Evil is some random person murdering your friends and family because it gets them off sexually. You don't need a God to understand that much.
>>214759049t. one of the sorry people
>>214759082>>214759083Can (You) prove that is evil?
>>214759120I don’t need to
>>214759159But could (You), hypothetically?
recognizing that we are inherently religious creatures is important because if you don't believe in god you're just going to substitute it with something else and you won't have any idea that you've done it
>>214759210I can do anything, hypothetically
>>214758778>atheists say that no one can prove the existence of god and they're rightI don't get it. I thought this was a pro-christian movie. Why is the protagonist agreeing with the single central argument of atheism?
cringe
>>214759318OK. Our hypothetical is (You) need to prove something is "evil" without invoking the deity. Go on.
>>214759408>Gods Not Dead 6>The Rev. David Hill brings his family to the Passion of The Christ 2 only for his viewing to be disrupted by african americans talking in the theatre
>>214759023She was being polite schizo.
>>214759485Well my personal definition of "evil" is something along the lines of "intentionally harming others". Although that's oversimplified.Murdering people obviously falls under that definition.
>>214758823Whether a religion is good for society is a completely different question from whether it's accurate.A religion is useful if it can trick evil people into being good.Christianity tries to do this with threats of Hell. Eastern religions do it with ideas like Karma.But these beliefs always come with complicating side effects. A belief in Karma and reincarnation leads to ideas like the Caste System. Belief in Heaven leads to people defending child murder.Another big problem with religious morality is that it stagnates. Rules that may have been useful thousands of years ago become codified into doctrine and the original context for those rules ceases to matter. For example, believing that it's wrong to eat pork may have been useful at one time for food safety, but in the modern world it doesn't matter. Believing that sex before marriage is wrong would be useful for a society with no birth control, but in the modern world that belief is a threat to our freedom.Morality needs to be able to adjust to the realities of the day.At the same time, sometimes religions change for the worse. Such as abandoning the actually good moral precepts in the religion like forgiveness, loving your enemy, and caring for the poor.
>>214758916umm... she was just a child when she was turned into a sexy catgirl
>>214759485Hypothetically, he did just that, and you agreed with him. hypothetically.
>>214760168Translation: “No, I can’t prove it. But this is how I feel.”
>>214760294Thanks, GPT
>>214760428You do not actually think that evil is when you disobey god and good is when you obey god. No one on planet earth actually does all the shit Leviticus says to do, let alone the other books.
>>214760373>>214760428That's how morality works. Everyone has different definitions of what "evil" means and they're always pretty fuzzy.I can prove that something satisfies my own definition of "evil" but there's no such thing as an objective version of "evil" that everyone agrees with.Even Christianity can't agree on morality within its own organization. Every individual picks and chooses what they believe and those people are roughly grouped into opposing denominations.This doesn't mean that I think morality is all relative and one morality is as good as another. It means that other people can disagree with my morals and take actions that I oppose.
>>214759375Because the central thesis isn't PROVING himself right. It's accepting God NO MATTER WHAT, and to not question things and be good little sheep.
>>214758778holy crap emma watson btfo that christcuck
>>214760473I do believe that; I cannot justify myself by my own obedience. The good news is God imputes Jesus’ perfect obedience to me if I believe Jesus is the Christ. >>214760550God defines what is objectively good. Human opinions and actions are irrelevant, even when we claim to speak for God. God has the final word on judgment day.
>>214759561Kek
>>214758823>I think if god makes you happy and/or stops you from being an evil weirdo then that’s good for you.thist. atheist married to a christian
I AIN'T 'FRAID OF NO SPOOK
>>214758857this one time at wizard camp
>>214760806>God defines what is objectively good. Human opinions and actions are irrelevantHuman opinions and actions are the only thing that's relevant. Even if there really is a God with an objective moral code, what does it matter if the people can't agree on what it is?And like I said, even members of your own religion can't agree.How can I take people seriously, saying their moral code is objective, when they themselves are split off into bickering factions? You're the same as me. You're just less honest about it.
Judeo-Christian mythology is>Big leader guy demands worship and obedience.>His right-hand man, a straight Prometheus parallel, likes humans a lot and wants them to have free will and knowledge (fire.)>The leader loses his shit, punishes the humans for even thinkin' about it, and reiterates the biggest rule of his religion:>Blind obedience without question. This is the only way into his super special party one day!I don't see how anyone could lay it out and not think that Yahweh is anime villain tier. It's as absurd as any story of Zeus turning into a swan to fuck.
>there are literal genocides in the Bible>Christians: uh, technically genocide and murdering children can be good
>noooo you can't live your life by how you feel, you MUST get your morals from scrolls from the bronze age
>>214760806I simply do not believe you think it is evil to sow crops year after year and not give farmland a sabbath, or to sell a house in an unwalled village that is not returned on a jubilee year.
>>214760168>Well my personal definition of "evil"So what is evil and good is subjective? If I say that murder is good and that being a doctor is evil, am I correct? >>214760473I have good news for you! First of all, the new testament clarifies that the old testament is... old! So you don't need to follow it. Second of all, the new testament claims that every single human on earth's history (except Christ) is a sinner! But Christ forgave all sins when he died on the cross, thus our salvation.
>>214761090If the council of churches can pick and choose which scripture remains up-to-date, how can we discern that any of it holds water?>The only acceptable answer is 'blind obedience.'
>>214760550>but there's no such thing as an objective version of "evil" that everyone agrees with.What? Something being objective does not require everyone to agree on it. If something requires people to agree on it, then it is subjective.
>>214761127It seems that you believe the authority of christianity is The Bible, but that only happens in protestantism. In orthodox christianity, the authority is tradition. In catholicism, it's the church.
>>214761090Jesus said he did not come to abolish the Old Testament Law
>>214761127Also, yes, religion requires FAITH. You cannot prove anything. You can't prove that you aren't a brain floating in space, you can't prove that you aren't hallucinating right now. So yes, the only way to salvation is through faith.
>>214760964Three people who called themselves mathematicians were asked “what does 2 + 2 equal?”The first person who called herself a mathematician was named Crystal Williams. Crystal answered that we cannot know what 2 + 2 equals because it is too complicated.The second person who called themselves a mathematician was named Saul Goldberg. Saul answered that most people should believe that 2 + 2 = 5, but if you were part of a special tribe, then you would know that 2 + 2 = 4.The third person who called themselves a mathematician was named John Smith. John answered that everyone should know 2 + 2 = 4 because it is true. Who was the legitimate mathematician?
>>214761214He textuallu said he came to fulfill it (the law). If something requires being fulfilled, it means it wasn't perfect before. He also claims that there are only two important commandments.
>>214761240sure that many writers with their unique perspectives and biases, spread out over so many decades, none of whom met the guy, you're bound to get a number of povs about what Jesus said and meant, especially after centuries of context loss, and a number of translations and edits by a variety of emperors and kings
>>214761186You just directly implied that one DOES have to follow the new testament.
>>214761090Morality is subjectively defined by individuals, but that doesn't mean I think your definition is as good as mine. Naturally I believe my morals are correct and you're a psycho.Morality isn't entirely divorced from objectivity though. Most base their morals on observation of reality. That reality is objective. So our morality will usually be guided to similar results, particularly on obvious examples like murder.
>>214758971>refuses to post videoGaythiests stay losing
>>214761235hoo boy
>>214761235I'm on your side, anon, but mathematics is a language. There are inherent and clearly defined rules as part of it's existence.
>>214761235retard>>214760964I hope we iterate some new code to follow, we need something better anyway that can adapt to when we find out we're not alone in the universe for example. Kant already btfo'd this Christian narrative
>>214761277The church was created quickly after Jesus death. Paul letters were only some years after his death. Three of the gospels personally met him. What I said was from the gospels, from Christ's words.>>214761278I claimed that you don't need to follow the old testament. I haven't claimed that you need to follow the new one. Even if you are christian, you are still a sinner. It is impossible to not sin, according to The Bible. I'm not judging sinners, that's not my job. >>214761287If morality is subjective, then anything can be good or evil. For a serial killer, murder will be good. Can you debate with him why murder isn't good? There is no way to prove it, since it's something subjective according to you.
>>214761384>Three of the gospels personally met himlol no but source anyway?
>>214761235Your example sucks because we actually know the answer to 2+2.It's easy to demonstrate that 4 is the correct answer, but how do you demonstrate that a particular moral code is correct?Even if there is an objective moral code, how would you know when you've found it?And if we can't know what it is, much less whether we've found it, in what way does its objectivity matter?
>>214761384>If morality is subjective, then anything can be good or evil.No, I believe my morals are correct and the serial killer is a psycho.What aren't you getting about this? Moral relativism doesn't mean I think morality doesn't exist.It's merely an observation of the reality that people's moralities differ.I can explain to the serial killer how murder hurts people and harms society as a whole, but I can't make him care about those things.Explain to me how you would debate with the serial killer that murder is bad.>because God said murder is badHow is that any better than my argument? How are you going to make the serial killer value God's opinion? It's just as subjective.
>>214759979"im sorry,..." is passive agressive twitter speak
>>214761544.It's just a way of saying, "I don't want to offend you, but I'm about to say something you won't like."And it predates twitter by probably hundreds of years.
>>214759053>>214760806>>214760428This whole apologetic is retarded. You're arguing that dogmatism is superior because it does away with uncertainty, therefore we should accept christian dogma as true. It's begging the question.
It’s obvious a designer exists, something doesn’t just pop out of nothing.
>>214762037>something doesn’t just pop out of nothing.It does in Genesis.I thought only religious people believed something popped out of nothing.
>>214762037>something doesn’t just pop out of nothingI'm really getting sick of telling you people this. The big bang theory does NOT state that the universe suddenly appeared out of nothing and then expanded.It only states that the universe expanded from a singularity into the universe as we know it. It says absolutely nothing about where that singularity came from or anything about what may have happened before then.Name a single moment in history when there was such a thing as "nothing". You can't because we have no reason to think that was ever the case.In fact, if you COULD identify a time when there was nothing, we'd have one massive data point demonstrating that the universe CAN pop up out of nothing. Even if we'd have no idea how.
>>214759248this.and the alternatives are always worse
>>214759053If your basis for believing in God is that your worldview falls apart if you don't believe in him, that's not proof he exists, that's just motivation for you to believe he exists no matter what.
>>214762037And an all knowing human-like intelligence doesn't just exist forever and come from nothing
>>214759248Good for you that you can just flip a switch in your brain and believe in something beneficial
>>214758778God's Not Dead is a movie series for faggots.
>>214762400Source: because you say so
God's not dead.He was never alive.
>>214760294>Believing that sex before marriage is wrong would be useful for a society with no birth control, but in the modern world that belief is a threat to our freedom.Every rule is a threat to someone's freedom.
>>214762427Seeing something is beneficial is a good place to start believing in it.And no,spiritual growth is not just a "switch" its a process.
>>214762639No u
This shit is always so pointless. No Christian has ever stopped believing because an atheist posted a Richard Dawkins quote or the Epicurean "paradox." Similarly, no atheist has ever converted because a Christian posted a picture of neckbeard wearing a fedora or a wojak.
>>214758823if the only thing stopping you from raping and murdering is the idea that an invisible cunt is constantly monitoring you, you are not a good person. you are a delusional sociopath.
>>214762744That's another fallacy
>>214762882that's true.reading the bible is what turned me away from religion. I went in looking for answers and I found them.
>>214762970Alright then, tell us all why something can't come from nothing, except for God. We're all anxiously waiting your air tight argument with zero logical fallacies, especially ipsi dixit
>>214763078I'm not the anon who said that, but the idea that things should have a beginning at all is a false premise. We don't know that.Maybe the universe is a bubbling 12 dimensions ocean thatt's just made of timelines expanding and contrapting. And all that stuff has an intrinsic computing power we call God... or Ahura Mazda... or Jehovah.
>>214763161Maybe things don't have a beginning and end, sure. Though I should point out that things having "intrinsic computing power" isn't necessary to explain anything. Any naturalist arguments for God run into similar issues.
>>214763234I was just spouting technobabble
>>214763311Wasn't sure how serious you were but it still was illustrative of one of the issues with naturalist arguments for God.
>>214760339That's adult in cat years.
>>214762918Cool it with the racism okay Rust Cohle?
>>214762918So? There's plenty of those among the human population. If religion stops them from acting like cunts what's the point in saying "um ackshually God's not real and you can be as much of a cunt as you want"?
>>214763078The argument is that causality itself is paradoxical, because eventually if you travel up the chain of cause and effect far enough you will find an effect without a cause. The argument is that there must be something beyond time and causality which set the universe in motion, and that thing is God.Of course, that's not the only possibility. It could be that the universe loops, or that time stretches infinitely backwards. Who knows.
>>214764476>eventually if you travel up the chain of cause and effect far enough you will find an effect without a causeYes exactly, both explanations for the universe have this "problem" so it's not really a problem at all. This is more an argument against what the original anon said ("something doesn't come from nothing") than anything I said, all I'm doing is using his own argument against me.I think people who use this argument think that the big bang is supposed to be the root cause of everything, when in reality that's not the claim and we can probably truly never know what came before. Not having answers is not proof that it's incorrect either.>that thing is GodI know you're presenting both sides but there are people who actually believe this.Again, we don't really need any intelligence to explain the universe as soon as you go with a naturalist argument, so it's just unnecessary and even adds complications. I attribute it to our tendency to anthropomorphize everything.Some people say this tendency itself is proof of God, but again we're combining God with a naturalist viewpoint and it isn't really required to explain why we engage in anthropomorphism.
>>214764673>that thing is GodIs true if that's what you use to define what God is. You're thinking about it backwards, its not >God is real and therefore he created the universeIt's >Something is responsible for creating everything and im going to call that thing God.A Christian is someone who, after exploring that idea, has come to conclusion that the nature of God is Good and to act in accordance to God is to do good things. There are many people in the world today who call themselevs Christians who don't understand this concept whatsoever and are just bandwagonning because they want to be part of something without putting in any effort, similar to bronies.
Pretty sure in the context of that quote Hermione is meant to be being shown as close minded
>>214765144>>that thing is God>Is true if that's what you use to define what God isThe functional definition I'm using is that God is an intelligent supreme being. The question of whether there's a higher intelligence is really what this whole thing is about.If you want to call a non-intelligent force that guides the universe or whatever "God" you can but I don't care to get in that semantic argument.>A Christian is someone who, after exploring that idea, has come to conclusion that the nature of God is Good and to act in accordance to God is to do good thingsLook, you can base lots of different beliefs on the Bible, but most Christians generally take a literalist stance. Baptism is the largest protestant denomination and they generally believe the Bible is literally true, their beliefs about God go way beyond just what you've described here.And again, they believe in an intelligent God, not just a good God.
>>214758971>Atheists think this is a good comeback Retards.
>>214758778I like how they're both children's fairytales, but at least the Harry Potter fan's know that they are fairytales and don't believe in any religious horseshit.
>>214765693>le who use this argument think that the big bang is supposed to be the root cause of everything, when in reality that's not the claim and we can probably truly never know what came before. Not havinYou probably believe in something far more stupid
>>214765938>more stupidThere's nothing more stupid than adults STILL believing in fairytales in 2025.Oh wait, yes there is, retards believing men can be women.You dumb fucks deserve each other lol.
>>214762882Precisely right. This is the only post I’ve responded to after having started, and then deleting subsequently, two others already. I hope you have a great day.
>>214762918You can’t determine good and bad from an atheistic worldview. You can’t even call anyone else a sociopath. It’s just your preference that they shouldn’t. It’s their preference that they should. Why are you so mad? And why should anyone else care?
>>214758778Norm Macdonald went on stage to tell people JK Rowling was a Christian.I don't know if that's true or not, but I believe it.
>>214758924>If God actually exists, then he set up a pretty shitty system where people with functioning brains are forced to reckon with the fact that his biggest ambassadors are redneck retards and third world brownoids.This is incredibly underrated post.All the satanic pizzagate shit rocked me from being a confident atheist to thinking "well if they're rooting for the bad guy maybe I should root for the good guy."It doesn't change the fact that although philosophical arguments can be made for the existence of a generalized deistic God, the God of any existing religion doesn't really make sense. Note: I've been annoyed by people who I thought were in the same boat as me, but were actually "Christianity isn't a religion" or "believe in the bible and christ, but not a Christian" types.
>>214765502Why it isnt?
>>214766067Astrology, pagan shit, some brand worship, corpo worship, eceleb shit, reddit atheism... which one?
>>214762918Social pressure, fear of consequences and early age indoctrination is what stop you from raping and murdering, religion or not religion.You didn't invent your morality, and whatever morality you posess is porbably based on christianity
>>214758778See, this is such a dishonest argument in general. If he really wanted to have an honest conversation about Christianity, he would start by saying “The devil is a woman, she is also my mom.”
stop basing Christianity off what Evangelical nut jobs say or think. Christianity was thought to work hand and hand with le science, we even sainted a guy who came up with such an idea.
>>214766853and before anyone ask please look up what European Church funded the most scientific research during the renaissance
>>214766621Luckily for me I'm not as weak minded as you dumb fucks, otherwise I'd fall into the same categories.What's even funnier is you have no idea how to move forward & keep referring to your outdated children's fairytales .We haven't even talked about the child murder yet lol.
>>214766932You personal vendetta against religion just tells me you are either indocrinated by some shit ideology or you are some undesireable thing in real life that your religiosu parents never liked, and deservedly so.Well you can stop no. They wouldn't heve liked your mental illness even if they were atheists
>>214766932>everything from the Old Testament>picture most likely from xitter or Reddithow about you do your own research instead
Everyone knows the real Gods are Odin and his gang of kids and whatever, dont give me some gay Jew-maker
>>214766990Personal vendetta?C'mon man, I refuse to believe you're this stupid in 2025.The rapture didn't happen, cry more.>>214767031That's 4chan pic right there. Old testament, new testament, quran, torah or talmud you're all dumb weak minded faggots that have to belong to something lol.
>>214761235Wow... powerful...This is like those Indian Facebook-tier stories where some Indian guy dazzles everyone with his superior outside-the-box thinking and everyone claps.You are brainless.
>>214767149No matter how stupid religion is. Your worldview and your reason to have it is worse.
>>214762148This is literally wrong tho lolAtheists are so stupid they don't even realizeTheists don't believe there was ever nothingLol
>>214767375Yeah my worldview is worse than all the pedo shit, child brides & circumcising children, sure it is faggot lol.
>>214766932>Matthew 18:6>“But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea.>
>>214767569Lol the guy who posted that is so stupid it's not even funny
>>214767534No doubt about thatThat's like reducing nature to cancer and diarrhea, an argument only a maladjusted individual with severe personal flaws would make.
>>214767534Yes, an unironicallyGlad we're on the same page
>>214767593>an argument only a maladjusted individual with severe personal flaws would make.Your perception of me is a reflection of you and I'll take cancer & diarrhoea over subjugation any fucking day.You poor weak minded fool kek.
>>214767675Imagine being THIS gayLol
>>214767569>causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sinIs that code for priest, imam or rabbi rape?>>214767639Look stupid, no matter how hard you push your childish fairytales on people, your dead mum's not coming back, m'kay.
What happened to the rapture that was supposed to go down yesterday? Why are you still here?
>>214759120Sure but I'd have to murder rape your whole family.
>>214767717Speak for yourself kek.
>>214767746>your dead mum's not coming backdo not remind me that my mom is gonna die in the future thank you
>>214767675Here's a hint: if you want to be taken seriously try not being that comically angry.Are you a trans and your religious parents misgender you?
>>214767746>WAAAAAA WAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAA
>>214767746You posted a reddit image that implies the Bible condones drowning children. The verse itself says that people who harm children or cause them to lose their innocence should be drowned. Virtually the exact opposite of what you were implying with your reddit imageIt's clear that you are really, very stupid; but what's more important which you don't realize is that you're not as smart as you think you are
>>214767804>comically angry>Are you a trans and your religious parents misgender you?Tell us more anon, how often do they misgender you to make you comically angry?>>214767821Where a helmet retard lol.
>>214758778>and they're right.No they're not. People can prove God exists, they've been doing so for millenia. Why would jewish propagan- I mean 'a Christian film' say that "no one can prove god exists"?
>>214758971>how do you explain walking on waterPeople can't walk on water, so there's nothing to explain. What point is he trying to make here?
>>214767869lol
>>214767846>you're not as smart as you think you areAnd you think worshipping some outdated dogma is being "smart", fuckin hell that's hilarious xD.>>214767911Ah yes, the left wing tranny's. The other bunch of dumb fucks wew.
>>214767978>comical levels amount of anger>no argument>defensive condescensionlol
>SCIENCE? PHYSICS? HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS REE GET OUT OF HERE NERD HYUKHYUKHYUKSee this is the thing I don’t understand about christkeks. An omnipotent Gary Stu god could just create laws of physics for rules of how his entire earthly domain works out of thin air and trying to understand that is LE BAD BECAUSE I HECCIN SAID SO THE WORLD’S A BIG LORD OF THE HARRY POTTERS WORLD IT’S MAGIC why?
>>214767821Doing a real good job to convince people they should go back to church
>>214767978If we’re truly that insignificant then why doesn’t someone just kill em
>>214768115Why don't you? People have better shit to do, even if they hate pedophiles, than to go around planning murder sprees
>>214760294>Belief in Heaven leads to people defending child murder.Actually that's atheism and abortion homie
>>214768107I think wold rather associate themselves to a religious group rather that to some schizo who yells retarded non arguments like he was a charicature of an angry 12 yo gamer
>>214761287If this were true then pre Christian Rome wouldn't have been an empire built on murder, torture and slavery
>>214761287Morality is founded at its core on biology, defined by the survival strategy we picked as a species.And religion is the inevitable answer to antropological needs, occurring in different forms according to what resonates in differen historical/social/geographical contextsIndividual don't choose shit, and you just need to skip a generation or indocrination to morality to revert straight to the cavemen era of morality
Remember when God told king Saul to genocide the Amalekites? Then God got mad because Saul spared their kingMany fun times were had back in the day, when is someone gonna make a movie about this genocide?
>>214761392Matthew and John both knew him. It's in the gospels themselfs. Paul mentions them in his letters, which were some years after Christ's death. We also have John letters. Mark was the student from Peter, which learned the story from him. The only one who didn't had access directly to the story was Luke, which was a historian. >>214761476>No, I believe my morals are correct and the serial killer is a psychoMaybe the problem here is that I'm using the philosophical definition of the word "subjective". You see, something being subjective means that the truth DEPENDS on the subject. The serial killer is a subject. If the moral truth depends on the subject, and a subject does the moral claim that murder is correct, it follows that murder is correct. That's why under moram relativism everything is permitted and forbbiden at the same time. It sinply doesn't make sense. Just because we humans don't exactly know the perfect morality doesn't mean it doesn't exist. A person could know nothing about math, that doesn't mean that math isn't real. >How are you going to make the serial killerI can't change the view of the serial killer. I can't change the view of a monkey or of a 1 year old baby either. If I had to teach them math, I also wouldn't be able to.What I can do is follow, for myself, an objective set of values.
>>214768557That webm is gross
>>214758778All Religions are simply Politics, for when regular politics fail to manipulate people with Reason.You can simply sell divine providence and people will sacrifice things that aren't really in their long-term interests on the altar.For God and Country (but really just the interests of the people in charge of the country).
>>214766669Damn. Off by one. Shame too since it's such a good post
>>214758778She hit the wall after the second movie frfr
>>214768635That's a shallow and retroactive understanding of both politics and religion.
>>214767896>People can't walk on waterNuh uh. Jesus could
We've seen what the world looks like without religion and we don't like it. It's not the utopia atheists imagined. It's a degenerate hellscape where everyone is poor, has no rights, and is addicted to vices while being completely controlled by their government. We want out and BACK to a time where the whole world was religious. It was objectively better and people were happier.
when did you realize the bible was just nonsense bullshit so jews can fuel their desert narcissism?
>>214758778>Well, it depends on what you mean by “God.”If you mean God as “guy in the sky who made everything”, then the propensity of evidence is on the nonbelievers. The only real counterargument to believing that God doesn’t exist is the acknowledgement that in order for us to exist we have to have been made by something we don’t understand, and that increasingly points to a higher power. If you mean “God” as a proxy for the highest possible good (follow the commandments, love your neighbors, the truth will set you free), then of course God exists. There are values that espouse good long-term outcomes, and there are values that do not. God is found in the best long-term outcomes (heaven).Before you ask, I’m a believer. Mormon, to be specific.
>>214769268Forgot pic
>>214758778I believe what a man says over a woman any day.
To all the non believers I'm this thread I will pray for your souls so that you may join me in heaven
>>214768983when did you realize you're a midwit and all the smartest people who have ever lived believed in god?
>holy, perfect, divine, transcendent god>can't act any better than a cosmic Kim Jong Unwhat did jew worshipers mean by this?
>>214769415>picrel Lmao, as if God didn't give you every single good thing in your atheist waste of a life
>>214769415Read Paradise Lost, anon. Hell is the absence of God’s influence, not a place of punishment.
>>214768676No, it's a realistic look at the very purpose religion has been bent to for 10s of thousands of years, stripped of all the fantasy and wish fulfillment.
>>214762363>If your basis for believing in modern physics is that your worldview falls apart if you don't believe in gravity, that's not proof of modern physics, that's just motivation for you to believe gravity exists no matter whatDo atheists really?
>>214769554>My belief in benevolent sky wizard and his retinue of angels living among the clouds is equivalent to your observable phenomena.
>>214769415I love how this is atheist's view of the arrangement. God isn't forcing you into you, he is giving you every single opportunity to abandon your sin and be with him in heaven. You, in your hubris, INSIST or running as hard and as fast away from him as you can until you swan dive directly into hell. How is that anyone's fault but your own.
>>214769751This isn't the atheists view of anything, imaginary godheads can't force you into anything, you have to want to believe the pixies living in your garden want you to follow their rules.
>>214769638I think of it more as a logical proof. I believe in God >> I follow his commandments >> I live a better and more fulfilled life. The benefit of believing in God(result) is a proof of the claim that he exists. Same as “I can extrapolate the existence of a black hole by believing in the claim of gravity.” Once I find the black hole, my belief in gravity is strengthened.
Or in this case, the official representatives of the Pixies translating meaning from the umpteenth revised edition of the Big Magical Book of Rules.It's silly but it is what it is.
>>214769800Except no one is making you do anything. You are heading towards hell all on your own and then blaming everyone else for it.
>>214769832Having little to no power/opportunity to break Commandments isn't the same as obeying them.Being a Neet isn't exactly "Keeping the Sabbath Holy" you know.
>>214769879This is obviously wrong as it's the whole point of being a monk / nun. Isolate yourself as much as possible from the sinful world and eliminate almost every opportunity for sin. This was never regarded as "tricking the system". This was always a legitimate way to live a holy life. You're just retarded.
>>214769879In that case, I would suggest that you (or anyone wanting to put God to the test) actually try to keep the commandments. See the difference between NEETing and devotion for yourself.
>>214759053What is "evil" if God does exist?
>>214769906>or anyone wanting to put God to the test)None of that puts god to the test in any way. Your kindergarten teaching telling you not to hog all the toys doesn't make her a god, or put her to the test. Neither do sign tapping Christian hypocrites.
>>214769923Read Paradise Lost, anon. Evil is absence of God’s influence. Satan is not evil because God doesn’t like him, he’s evil because he seeks to oppose the goodness of God.
>>214769964Back to logical proof idea. You test something by trying it out. Also, why bring up sign-tapping or kindergarten teachers?
>>214769983Paradise Lost is a fanfiction of a collected book of Mythology that itself is heavily plagiarized from older existing myths. It's a neat read but it doesn't inform the real world at all.
>>214770009>You test something by trying it out.What are you considering a positive vs a negative test result exactly? People got gunned down recently praying in church....was that a pass or a fail? Or was "God" just having a laff?
>>214770017I think it’s a rare case of “fan fiction does a better job of filling in the blanks than the source material does”Also, Milton claims to have received inspiration to write the book from an angel. Believe it or not, but it’s pure kino.
>>214770076>Milton claims to have received inspiration to write the book from an angelA lot of people make these sorts of claims all the time, you get everything from Mormonism to Muslims to sellable art like this, it's called a Marketing Tactic.
>>214770055Matthew 16:25-26. The testing process is greatly facilitated by you actually trying instead of critiquing from the sidelines.
>>214770108>Matthew 16:25-26That doesn't say anything about test results whatsoever. Nor does it promise any results beyond "when you croak, nice things will happen, trust me bro". Suicide cults sell the same thing, because the dead offer no testimonials.
>>214770106>Isaiah is visited by an angel, writes poetry about the messiah>Saul is visited by an angel, converts to Christianity >John the Revelator is visited by an angel, writes about the apocalypse and second coming of Christ Joseph Smith is visited by an angel, translates a book, starts a religion and makes no money off of it and dies from it (I’m Mormon btw)These are your marketing tactics. Back to Milton, I don’t know if his writing is the same level of divine inspiration as the Bible (I don’t think it is), but it fits remarkably well within the theology.
My biggest issue is that I personally know a LOT of Christians, and it doesn't seem to improve their lot, or their personal character, one iota.In fact a lot of the time it just makes them smug and feel justified in being cuntish.>Inb4 Real Christianity has never been tried before.
>>214770152Think about those scriptures. What is Jesus trying to tell (You)?
>>214770184All of these guys are simply marketing a story, even if it's just a personal one, for fame, status, power or money.Sure it's not SUPPOSED to bring you temporal rewards, but it's funny how that seems to work.J.S had the misfortune of practicing "heresy" around to many old school Christians and overestimating their sense of humor about it.
>>2147702011. Jesus didn't write them2. The entire Bible is little more than "God is in charge, be sure to do whatever God (in this case his earthly representatives) think is best for you. Again, it's a political tool, as are most religions that aren't primitives getting high in the woods.Sometimes if your plans are actually kinda shit (for anyone not in your inner circle) you need to appeal to Divine Providence to get the proles to do the hard, dirty work.
>>214770305>Jesus didn’t write them Pure midwittery at work here. Jesus is commonly accepted to have said this. If that is insufficient for you, substitute “Jesus” for “The author of Matthew” and answer the original question instead of dancing around minutiae.
>>214770263All marketing a story for what purpose? Isaiah would still have been a prophet without the messianic writing. Saul would have avoided martyrdom if he hadn’t converted, same with Joseph Smith. This analysis doesn’t make sense.
>>214770513>If heavily edited and translated second-hand accounts aren't good enough for youReally, they aren't.
>>214770615Then read the second half of the response and answer the question. For bonus points, if you want more direct communication with God, try praying.
>>214770645Communication implies response. Otherwise I might as well be shouting out my window to get Godzilla's attention.You have no cause and effect to work with at all. You'll just assign effect to whatever random shit happens. Some people pray and win the lottery next week, some people pray and the church roof collapses on them and kills them. In either case it's some Response from God, no matter how arbitrary. Some people get an inspiration to design or make art or write something engaging. Some claim to attribute that to God's Inspiration, which is a fine marketing tactic to a certain audience.But people on the other side of the world with completely different theologies or even none at all, crank out the same exciting buildings and art and literature.
>>214770777This is nonsense on many levels. True, it’s easy to mistake God’s hand for random attribution, but that’s why it’s important to devote yourself and learn to discern. Secondly, cross-cultural acknowledgement of religious accomplishment is common and well-documented. Herodotus praised the Egyptian priests and admired their devotion to the Twelve. Catholics and Protestants appreciate each other’s art. The Muslims have a concept of respecting the “People of the Book” (Christians and Jews) since they all claim to be Abrahamic. There are koans (eastern meditations) that record Buddhist monks as praising the words of Christ as “close to enlightenment”. Again, you won’t learn this unless you apply yourself.
>>214758778The film message I prefer to associate with isMen of the valley! Citizen-soldiers...I am here at the order of General Robert E. Lee, commandin' all Virginia forces. On April 15th of this year of our Lord, 1861, Simon Cameron, the Secretary of War of the United States sent a telegram to our Governor, John Letcher, directing him to raise three regiments of infantry to be sent to assist in suppressing the Southern Confederacy. Governor Letcher's answer is well-known to you, but perhaps not his words.His wire to Washington stated, "You have chosen to inaugurate civil war. And, having done so, we will meet you in a spirit as determined as the Lincoln Administration has exhibited toward the South."Two days later, the Virginia legislature voted for secession.JUST AS WE! Would not send any of our soldiers to march in other states and tyrannize other people! So will we never allow the armies of others to march into our State and tyrannize OUR people!Like many of you -- indeed, most of you -- I've always been a Union man. It is not with joy or with a light heart that many of us have welcomed secession. Had our neighbors to the North practiced a less bellicose form of persuasion, perhaps this day might not have come. BUT that day has been thrust upon us like it was THRUST upon our ancestors!The Lincoln Administration required us to raise three regiments...Tell them we have done so!Dismissed!
