watched both Akira and Ghost in the Shell for the first time. Loved the latter, hated the former. Both are visually stunning, obviously. rate my taste
Come back after you've seen Ninja Scroll and Perfect Blue.
>>214760686I have the original first 12 Akira manga in plastic sheaths in pristine condition and I have never read them. When I was a really little kid Donna at Donna’s Book Nook in my hometown told me to buy them because they’d be worth a lot of money when I was older. I wonder if they’re worth much.
I've seen Akira a few times and couldn't figure out why it was so praised.Then I bought 6 hardcovers of the original manga and it isn't any better. The art is great but the story and the characters are very simple and flat.
>>214760686Ghost in the Shell and Akira are both classics, visually stunning, genre defining anime that totally changed the game for animation as a medium.That said, Akira is a movie I just... don't really enjoy. Ghost in the Shell is always a good watch- don't bother with the series though, the movie is all you need.
>>214760799>I've seen Akira a few times and couldn't figure out why it was so praised.>Then I bought 6 hardcovers of the original manga and it isn't any better. >The art is greatAre you simple or blind?
>>214760846It is not enough, all style - zero substance. Dogshit writing ruined the overall impression.
>>214760686personally I prefer the live action Akira
>>214760875Simple it is.
>>214760951Elaborate.
Pleb test: watch GITS 2
>>214760686Akira is one of the most overrated movies of all time. Yes, it is visually impressive, but has basically nothing else going for it.
>>214761046I always liked it apart from the dated computer animation.
>>214760724>Perfect Blue.waste of time>idol culture is badyeah no shit
>"You're supposed to read the 15 novels before you understand the 1.5h anime!"And this is why Japanese media is dead as fucking shit.How about you make something for normal people to consume, not some hikikomori perverted shit?
>>214760686Akira is a beautiful movie but it adapts so little of the story that it doesn't hold up as well as the manga did. The manga did some neat stuff for the medium at the time but I won't spoil it for any anon who may read it someday.Ghost In The Shell is a great movie that takes a shitty manga and turns it into a thought provoking story that has little resemblance to the manganarrative lyrics. The manga just introduces the setting then does barely anything with it of substance or value while the movie adaptation forms a coherent narrative around that setting.
>>214760686Go back to /a/
>>214761163>Japanese media is deadIsn’t demon slayer doing iron man numbers right now?
>>214760686Yeah, Akira is all style over substance. The animation and art direction makes it worth a watch. It has been copied over and over again.
>>214761211That's because most parents think it's Kpop Demon Hunters
>>214761263Sure.
>>214761189>but it adapts so little of the storywhat story?screaming>KANEDA>TETSUO every other page?
>style vs substance Style is substance. It's a visual medium.
>>214760686>visually stunning>hated itVisual medium
>>214760686>rate my tasteAttention whore nigger
>>214761340and a "medium" is supposed to "mediate" something, you absolute american
>>214761119What about Ninja Scroll?
>>214760686>Loved the latter, hated the former.this is a take of someone who actually watched Akira and isn't just some faggot telling people it's their favorite anime movie
>>214761601I still like Akira, even if the plot is mostly nonse. It's just beautiful, and sparks my imagination. Makes me think of a future that never was.
>>214760686I was bored to tears by Ghost in the Shell, especially by that 1-minute ammo refill scene.
>>214761647The same is true about Ghost in the Shell.
Ghost in the Shell is fucking kino.Real animetards think the Ghost in the Shell tv show is better, but it's just NCIS with robots.
>>214760686man, akira meant so much to me back when it came out. i was under the impression it was the start of a new era and we would be blessed with a cool kickass adult scifi action anime every couple of years forever ... haha. yea that didnt happened huh. . and there was no internet so i had very little "stuff". aanyway.
>be me in late 90s or early 2000s>late teens>never been exposed to pokemon or asian cartoons before>my cool friend suddenly starts talking about akira, vampire hunter d, and something else that I forgot>he's cool and has gf so he must know what he's talking about>start watching all of it>it's so cool>wow violence>not like disney at all>edgy teenager vibes>lose interest after a few months>a couple decades later>bored>sees akira on some pirate site>huh that was pretty cool gonna watch it again>wtf is this shit>has to fast forward half of it>didn't even bother to watch to the end
>>214761211>Market is wider>Content is worseHope it helps
>>214761211>demon slayernormie slop, dropped after a few eps.
I see weebs are still in denial, it's time to finally accept the truth: Akira is a shallow, empty cartoon and the manga isn't any better than that.
>>214762419I just like the animation, but I think it's the sort of thing you can really only appreciate by watching in theatres
Ive tried 3 seperate times to watch Ghost in the shell and I saw the live action version at the cinemas and I fell asleep all 4 times, when is it meant to get good?
>>214761327Stuff like ** the rival gang from the beginning returning during a later chapter to help out the gang they wanted to murder in like act one or the book spending an entire volume with the protagonist MIA to the point where the reader assumes they died, the appearance of Akira himself as an actual character that has proper buildup and makes sense.**The same writer also wrote Domo which may have made a better film about psychics since it was self contained in one volume instead of being something massive spread across multiple volumes the size of phonebooks.
>>214762419I used to think it was shallow or muddled but not anymore, it's a deep archetypal story. I think you have to watch this in a state of mind where you take the violence seriously and pay attention to the setting as a place trying to get back up on its feet from the apocalypse.
>>214760686Oshii peaked with Patlabor. GitS is a noticeable drop in quality. Also SAC is better than the Oshii films.
>>214762515it's better with the english dub unironically, more personality and the characters don't just monotonously drone all the dialouge
>>214760686There are a lot of older anime movies like this I just can't gel with because its like they don't really function as stand alone stories. They're often adaptations of source material, but due to restrictive runtime can't have the pacing and steady exposition and coherent build up of that source material. So they're super rushed and don't really explain thing properly and plotpoints fly by without being lingered on or elaborated on enough to digest properly, making for a movie that yes, looks fantastic, obviously has a nice atmosphere, but that I tend to feel just passes through me and leaves me asking questions. Not interesting questions, questions like "wait, so what exactly happened there? How did that character know that. Why did that one character show up like we were already meant to know who they were? How exactly did that thing that happened like an hour in actually work?"Akira and Ghost in the Shell are the obvious examples, but I also watched Char's Counterattack recently and its a similar thing. It adapts like, only books 2 and 3 of a trilogy so it starts right in the middle of a whole complicated situation as if you already know what's going on(because obviously you read book one, something which was never animated) and there are like a bunch of new characters the movie heavily revolves around that it sort of acts like you already know and care about, cause remember when we set up their characters in book one, which was never animated? You better or this is going to be a really weird and confusing experience. This new girl casually commits high treason like 2 minutes into the movie, which is obviously such a her thing to do. Also a whole dictatorship has not only been wholesale established and militarized before the movie starts led by an established character who was very much not in charge of a nation when last we saw him, but they've started a whole war to the point that there are weirdly chill peace negotiations going on.
Heh plebian
>>214761189the movie was made before the manga was finished
>>214761450ninja scroll is 10/10, and the english dub is pretty good
>>214760686>Rate my tasteGood, Akira is overrated, other anons itt are correct
>>214760686akira suffers a bit from neuromancer syndrome. so much of our modern media, games, books, etc are all downstream inspired by, derivative of, or borrowed themes from it, that by the time you actually get around to seeing it you've absorbed so much of what was groundbreaking in it just through cultural osmosis that it doesnt feel as impactful.
>>214760790not really, that's worth like $100 at most.
>>214760686you need a soul and a wide palette of interests to understand and enjoy Akira.anyway seriously though you just gotta fill in the blanks. it's not really "style over substance" like some state, it's moreso an abridged adaptation that adequately conveys the intended effect but only if you take all the storytelling methods holistically.
>>214762887Oh snap I didn't even realize that, thanks anon, makes sense.
KANEDAAAAATETSUOOOOO
>>214760686These films, as well as stuff like Lain, the Matrix, and Neuromancer, were part of the 20th century's growing fascination with cybernetics. In various ways, they're all grappling with the profound effects of technology on humanity as a whole. There's a strong current of pessimism which is refreshing in a culture where optimism towards technology is practically the default.
>>214760686Now watch Cyber City Oedo, Goku Midnight Eye and Angel Cop.
>>214760686akira manga is greatakira anime is an incomplete but nice looking messghost in the shell anime was ok, didnt see it for ages
>>214760686Akira is post-war trauma pornI have no idea how it became the ultimate dudebro anime movie considering what it conveys
>>214763424Most people watch Akira when they're 15 and think the violence is epic instead of horrifying
>>214763408>akira manga is greatIt's hard carried by the art. Even in that regard the ruins of Neo-Tokyo got old pretty fast, it was tiresome seeing all the rubble and debris every page, I much prefer the look of the city from the first volumes. The characters are paper-thin so is the plot, completely forgettable.
Pity bump
>>214760842>don't bother with the series though, the movie is all you need.haha
>>214760686rated.sip.
>>214762546Recently a docu about Domo came out, good stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5w7_IA0QZA
>>214763403Now we are talking!
akira just isn't a good moviegreat soundtrack though
>>214765263Domo arigatou
>>214760686Pretty much agreed. I was on a roll of anime kino as a kid, Ghost in the Shell, Princess Mononoke...and then Akira. One of my friends fell asleep during it. It definitely stood out as the worst of the classics I'd been watching. I still like it though. Definitely think it's good.
>>214766316>>214766316I wrote this like a retard, I mean I agree Ghost in the Shell is much better than Akira, not that Akira is garbage.
>>214761450The best anime action movie of all time.
>>214760724next stop, Wicked City
There was one time I fully understood Akira.Saw themes, story, and characters with complete clarity. It was so obvious to me. but I was crossfadedI've rewatched it once since completely sober and felt in the dark again.
GITS art by the Akira artist
>>214760686Love Akira, love gamelanThe political stuff in the Akira anime is a red herring and the pseudo science is just nattering. The friendship between Tetsuo and Kaneda is a basic movie plot thing he threw in because there's no time for anything smarter in a movie. I still love the it all though and I feel high when I watch it.
>>214761089To each his own. It emotionally moves me every time I watch it.
>>214763364NTA but Nausicaa is the same. They had a premise they started as a manga, then converted it into something that would work as a movie, then they went backwards and spun out a long manga over several years that does way more elaborate storytelling about the same premise. So the manga aren't source material for the movies, it's taking the premise back into a medium that doesn't have the limitations of a movie.
>>214760686Same. Not a fan of Akira but I'll rewatch Ghost In The Shell anytime
>>214760686>>214760799Film is a visual and auditory medium. If all you care about is story, read a book.
>>214761450Wicked City?
>>214767900If I wanted just visuals and audio I would watch music clips.
>>214761119moron
>>214767900>Film is a visual and auditory medium. It's more than that. Having only a great cinematography or animation or sound or script or acting is not enough. Film is a combination of all these, each part should be balanced against another or all you get is a mediocre and forgettable flick.
>>214760686I don't *hate* akira but yeah I definitely think gits is better and has a better waifu
btw Berserk mogs Akira, no discussion
>>214761119Perfect Blue has nothing to do with Idol Culture you subhuman. It’s about Satoshi Kon.
>>214768038The 97 series? How are they even comparable
>>214768075Manga. Don't care about cartoons.
>>214768038Berserk has no ending. Automatically 0/10 trash
>>214768108It's about a journey, not a destination.
>>214768108trvke
>>214760799>the story and the characters are very simple and flat1) explain the story (i bet you cannot)2) dumbfuck teenagers are rather 1-dimensional because they are dumbfuck teenagers3) each character in the film actually pushes the plot, including Nezu4) stop comparing the film to the manga they are different for good reasonsmost manga is weeaboo trash to begin with, but to claim that the story in Akira is simple and flat heavily implies you don't understand any part of the story at all.perhaps a cacophony of school children, space cat-girls, or cybergoth asian faggotry is more suitable for your palate.
ENTER
>>214766470I know what you mean. Definitely reaches another level.
What some of you fags have to understand is that back when Akira was released, animated movies in the West only meant Disney, as for animated TV it was the smurfs and shit like that.So it actually was groundbreakingand paved way for that Japan anime tsunami in the 90s (including Ghost in the Shell and Ghibli). Even nowadays not that many animation get released in theaters.of course if you watch it for the first time now it won't look that special
Anime can be kino
>>214763156DONNAAAAAAA
>>214760686Both are shit compared to the manga.
>>214761327>what story?>screaming>>KANEDA>>TETSUO >every other page?You didn't even read it, fucking retard
>>214766470>Saw themes, story, and characters with complete clarity.The major, albeit basic, theme is "power struggle" which is a common theme, sure. The more nuanced theme is the commonality of vying for a position of power across all aspects of life itself, from the complexities of human personal/intra-personal development, to society, technology, and politics to the simplicities of single-celled animals. There is obvious theistic themes as well but in the film that hand is played mostly as the finale.Like with a lot of "actual art", I find that I can take away something different even if familiar upon re-experience.
>>214768475>Even nowadays not that many animation get released in theatersBecause it's mostly some popular shonenshit arc adaptation now
>>214768661>You didn't even read itIt ends with the most retarded shit imaginable how a bunch of bums proclaim neo Tokyo empire or w/e and tell the United Nations army to fuck off. You have to be 13 to think Akira has some deep and meaningful story.
One last bump.
>>214767959Wicked City is good for the androgynous demon waifu, but it's quite slow and it doesn't have enough action, horror or bondage porn to really satisfy. The little pervert guy is an example of a comic relief character outstaying its welcome; either that, or he's a self-insert character for the audience.
>>214761089The soundtrack slaps too.
Do inflation fetishists goon to Akira and dream of someone crushing them like a grape?
I like anime.
>>214760799It saved the Japanese film industry. I don't like the story but the attention to detail in the animation is something incredible.
Ghost In The Shell is beautiful and obviously incredibly influential but it's honestly like a 6/10 film. Akira is 10/10 in verything.
>>214771204Probably. I certainly wouldn't put it past them.
>>214760686nice, check out Golgo 13: The Professional and Vampire Hunter D next
>>214761426Mediating beauty is enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WinDm6GUXKM
>>214763087Not to mention how many things put in the bike slide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9hCzjBc7Q4
>>214761119basedbasedbasedbased
>>214766626>So the manga aren't source material for the movies, it's taking the premise back into a medium that doesn't have the limitations of a movie.That's really interesting
I mostly like 80s - 90s anime.
>>214760686>am i man or...LE MACHINE???woah very deep mr. oshii i'm sure everyone in high school is impressed by that
>>214771583I feel that way too. It seems like that was the only period where they were allowed to have adult protagonists. Today every anime — even if it's dark and violent like Tokyo Ghoul and Vinland Saga — must have a kid/teen protag. I can tolerate that but it's not ideal for me.
>>214771710There's a few shows out there going back to adult protagonists so hope that trends out more of them.
>>214771710I think what changed was that fans started making the shows. They used to be made by people that actually went outside.
Really people dislike Akira??? Why? because "normalfags" usually have seen it? Is it because it's too old and 4chan retards can't watch anything older than mid 90's anime???
>that feel when you first saw Akira like 22 years ago
>>214771870>thing gets popular because it's good>contrarians have to be contrarianThat's pretty much the Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Dragon Ball, Cowboy Bebop and Berserk hate all in a nut-shell.
>>214760686Akira has the same drawbacks as Nausicaa in that if you’ve read the manga it feels reductive. That being said it’s still absolutely fantastic. GITS suffered from the faithful translation as opposed to one that would feel more natural. I also think the vocal performances are pretty shitty. That being said it’s also absolutely fantastic. And in this case much better than the manga which is a bit unfocused.
>>214771814This is rife in every creative field now. I'm not sure if there's a good name for the phenomenon. I do think it's a big part of why movies and shows are so shit now, though.
>>214771870It's just the typical contrarians on /tv/. Any "popular" opinion they must take the opposite of and argue it. It makes them aroused and they jerk each other off.
>>214770929Yeah I watch it last year (it's on youtube) after not seeing it for a couple of decades and that little pervert guy was annoying. I still enjoyed it a lot though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X9LM3aTiyYHyped for this.
Modern anime does not look remotely as detailed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWQKiefZ-XI
>>214760799Akira is peak animation and light play in hand drawn animation. Plus music is also great. Story - whatever - it isn't super, typical japanese big mutated guy bad boss and from zero to hero. But it isn't awful. Half of marvel movies have more shitty stories.
>>214772040Akira would be 10/10 if they had adapted the manga. The movie ending is just so disappointing.
