When did this show turn to shit?
>>214761529Game of Troons was always shit
>>214761529Season 5 episode 5 the sand snakes
>>214761529Right after the red wedding when the show runners stopped caring
With the introduction of this OC donut character
>>214761529i've tried rewatching this show so many times and never make it past season 2
I would say season 4, but some people defend it because they like that campy trial scene.>You're not on trial for being a dwarf, Tyrion.>Oh but I am. I've on trial for THAT my entire life!
i watched this show twice and i think it goes to shit around s4-s5
>>214761529Season 2 is the peak. Season 3 is still pretty good. Season 4 is good. Season 5 is average with some particularly bad moments. Season 6 is also average but with less lows. Season 7 and season 8 are mostly nonsensical, but entertaining.2>3>1>4>6>7>5>8
Season 3 episode 3, when they had an irish rock band do the end credits.But really, it was >>214761650
Season 2 with the brown jewish princess>>214761650oh you beat me to it
>>214761529It was never going to be good, but everything fell off a cliff in season 2.
>>214761650>>214762223>>214762232Glad the consensus is starting to become season 2. There was a long period of time where people were defending the shitshow it had become all the way up until season 5, or even season 7.
>>214761679Season 4 was where the show began to lack substance but had some of the strongest performances in the series, it was undeniably great TV.One thing that will never be captured on rewatch is how well structured Game of Thrones was as a TV series. Normiebait? Maybe, but the stakes were high and there were great cliffhangers. Each episode gave you enough to discuss for the next week and that was the magic of the series. After S4, that structure fell apart. I remember they launched S5 with 3 episodes (by accident), I remember being underwhelmed by how dull they seemed, the pace and depth collapse was noticeable and it never recovered.tl;dr: I think S5 onward could've been as good as S4 without good source material to work wit, even a shit story can be great TV if done right.
>>214762200Fuck you cutting the hand of Jamie and the credits start rolling with that song was great
Men call me Darkstar, and I am of the night.
>Karl became an expert knife fighter from spending all his life in the rough narrow streets Flea Bottom, he presses his advantage in a cramped little hut against Jon's noble sword training and unarmored uniform made for warmth>Ramsay possesses this same proficiency for some reason despite being some failson in a castle who rarely faced a real opponent in his life and takes on multiple armored soldiers out in the open without breakout a sweat, it's never mentioned again and he's later just a mediocre archer who's helpless after Jon starts punching him
>>214761529>When did this show turn to shit?
>>214761529Season 2 already had all the hallmarks that would later kill the show. They just took some time to acumulate. Season 4 is almost unwatchable.
>>214761529When, after that being one of the thingsthat drew people to it in the first place, it decided that main characters were no longer allowed to show nudity and if they did it had to be an obviously fake body double. A poor response to actresses asking for more money if they got their baps out.
>>214763046In Darkstar's defense, this line was more meant to contrast him with his family's title "The Sword in the Morning", and less about being chunni.
>>214761529Tywin's death.The decision to write Tysha reveal out ultimately changes everything about Tyrion and Jaime
>>214763046>slices your daughter>refuses to elaborate>runs off into the bushes never to be seen againIVE BECOME SO NUMB I CAN'T FEEL YIOU THERE
>>214763261No anal in Westeros? Kinda doubt that one
>>214763598My criticism that extends to the books is that I think Tyrion should have just died instead of going to Essos and becoming a pointless viewpoint character. I think GRRM just liked the character and had no plan with him beyond Tywin's death.I don't think a revenge arc really suits him, if anything it makes Jaime's and Cersei's individual character arcs much less interesting.I also think that POVs should be limited exclusively to Westeros. Adds a lot of mystique not knowing whether the rumours of dragons are true, would also make it a lot more impactful when Arya inevitably returns as something else, we don't need to see the transformations over there that are easily the worst parts of the story.
>>214761529When Season 5 ruined Littlefinger.The writers clearly didn't understand what was happening in their own show
By the end of season 3 D&D started inventing retarded shit for no other reason than to invent retarded shit while simultaneously shitting on important storylines in ways that simply make no sense which they seemed to sometimes realize because they also started just forgetting about the stupid shit that they had just invented.That said season 4 still had lots of good parts that came straight from the books, season 5 was complete and utter shit with no redeeming parts.
S1: Kino, only missing the Tower of Joy sequenceS2: Still largely good but started bringing in rewrites for no fucking reason, most egregiously in Robb's story.S3 & 4: Course corrected a bit, strong seasons with the most memorable moments.S5: Dogshit
>>214761679people praising his acting in that scene is baffling to me. the more he had to do, the worse it looked. he was awful in the trial. he never even got the accent right after 8 fucking seasons either. he sounded different from his own father and siblings.
>>214765199why would tower of joy be in season 1 lmao
>>214761650>sassy, lowborn camp follower who keeps interrupting the king's war counselThis was trashy romance novel-tier writing
>>214763910No, think there has always been foreshadowing of something more>him becoming Dragon Rider (interest dragons from early age)>A+J=T>him literally threatening to burn King's Landing to the ground>indication Tysha is the wife of Sealord of Braavos and has a daughter, Arya, who meetsSo, I think something bad will happen to them, and Tyrion is going to hijack a dragon and head to King's Landing
>>214765406>he sounded different from his own father and siblings.Just to add to that, you have Cersei and Tywin both pronouncing "Tyrell" differently in the same scene. Could they not agree on a pronunciation beforehand?
>>214765425because that's what Ned dreams about after he's been stabbed through the leg
Around season 4 when D&D ran out of fat fuck's material and had to write the story and dialogue themselves. And then we were exposed to the fact that 100 iq people cannot write intelligent characters. And they were better suited for writing teenage drama for Nickelodeon than some grand fantasy. Seasons 1-4 were some of the best television in history. Seasons 5-8 on the other hand some of the worst, with season 8 possibly the worst series of all time. Until RoP came along.
>>214763196Terrible casting. They turned Ramsay into evil Frodo. I couldn't take this guy seriously.
>>214764815
>>214765425It was in the 1st book.
>>214765532people from the same areas often have different accents in a lot of cases. they seem to have used the northern accent for anyone who was lowborn from somewhere else. robert uses a yorkshire accent because uhhh...he's rough. no one else from the stormlands does.
Charles Dance exclusively carried the show for a while, once Tywin is gone so is the reason to tune in.
>>214761529At the title card
>>214763196I'll forgive them that one because of the feel good factor. This came after six seasons of Starks getting shit on relentlessly, every punch was cathartic as fuck.Pretty much the last good thing that came out of this show.
>>214761636This. It was on a downward spiral after seasons 1-2, but it was still at least decent until season 5.
>>214762278>Season 1 is peak>Season 2 is good, but there's a noticeable decline in writing quality>Seasons 3 and 4 are ok but much worse than 1 and 2>Everything beyond is dogshitThis rule seems to apply to almost every show:>Game of Thrones>Dexter>Rick and Morty>The Walking Dead
>>214766468Well season 1 was nearly a 1:1 re-creation of the book. It had color and travel actually took time and the characters were using almost exact lines from the books. Twas kino. 2 was good too but in my opinion, after battle of the blackwater episode it went downhill. Gay website but this is interesting: https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/8/24/16162814/game-of-thrones-color-spectrum
>>214766561>Locked behind a paywallGay website indeed
>>214766642weird works on my machine. It's not even that interesting. Just keep watching seasons 1 and 2. I will say, I do think that Season 1 of HoTD was pretty great, like 8/10 even with Black velaryons.
>>214761529>>214761558>>214761606>>214761636literally as with everything in our american world it went to shit during our transition from 2014-2015. you can say the show jumped the shark in season 4 because they gave us everything we wanted, the wall, ppl climbing it, giants, the dragons etc. overall i didnt care for the show at all bc it was hyper nerd shit but i watched it with friends and continued to watch to finish. season 5 or 2015 everything became much shittier and after that it was a shit spiral
>>214765823how tf do people read books seriously
>>214761529a degenerate adaptation of degenerate books? since the source material was published
>>214761529Season 5, but unlike what normies would like you to believe, it's entirely GRRM's fault. Remember he said he'd have the book finished in 2016. 9 fucking years ago. He hasn't finished a single page since, you can just tell.
>>214761529Season 2 with Dany and the vault nigga.
>>214768025Also I can't believe I forgot this >>214761650
>>214761529as soon as that fat retarded hack wrote the first page of the first book
>>214763046Basde.
Honestly I think GRRM won I think everyone has just accepted the fact that the new book will never ever come out so people barely give a shit anymore
>>214761529Showrunners only cared about the first 3 seasons and GRRM quit on his audience so they ran out of runway not long after1-3 good4 good, but some very stupid moments5 more bad than good6+ nothing makes sense anymore
>>214761529S03E03
>>214767713
>all these seething bookfagsreminder without the show nobody would be talking about the horrifically overrated booksand that gurm himself lost genuine interest in the main story some time around 9/11
>>214765823SHANSHA PLEASHYOU HAVE TO GET RAPEDIT HASH TO BE BEAUTIFUL WHEN BRAN SHEESH IT
>>214770406No way he will be able to live up to the hype, he's probably going to die a bitch death. Not that the fatass will ever finish the books so that's a moot point anyway.
>>214767713anon you're an ipad baby because your parents were incompetent Reading shouldn't be hard I'm sorry that you were brain damagedI don't think eating paint chips made people this bad
>>214761529When that hack wrote the first book
>>214761529At the end of season one when the dragons hatched and she could control them
>>214761529The first episode where they were already making pointless changes that eliminated characters who had like five minutes long subplots or the radically different white walkers. They do this to buy extra time to insert characters and dialog that didn't exist that serves no purpose to the story. They continue to get more egregious about this each episode, until they're removing all sorts of crazy shit to fit in sequences about how fat Podrick's cock is. Why? Because it funnie! The character and world design is also compromised heavily from what is described in the book (generally a pretty realistic depiction of low technology textiles and armory) so they could have a bunch of women make up shit that would be completely impractical but like, looks really cool! Gay stupid show for dumb lowest common denominator retards who can't think or read or hold names in their head.
Seriously, non stop tampering that fucks with the tone of the bones from moment one: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Differences_between_A_Song_of_Ice_and_Fire_and_Game_of_ThronesBecause they were never trying to replicate the dark gritty spooky books where people die horribly constantly, they were trying to make an award winning set and costume design soap opera for chicks.https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Differences_between_A_Song_of_Ice_and_Fire_and_Game_of_Thrones
>>214761529after the first scene
>>214761529I dropped after watching season 1.
>>214761529I dropped after watching 35.4 seconds. I'm much smarter than the average /tv/ user.
>>214772642>>214772784Holy shit bookcucks are retarded, they literally can barely speak english, never mind accrue the basic media literacy to understand the books were always shit
>>214772193Meant for >>214773669
>>214761529Before it was even made. It's not different than any other "subverted expectations" type of product. Add to that the "grey characters" and you have the perfect combination of flatulence.
>>214761661I imagine the cartoon villain was too much?
>>214770406thats just the black knight art from dark souls lmfao what a hack artist
>>214773702Shut the fuck up you subhuman cunt, you haven't read a decent book in your miserable life. gurm is an utter hack who completely relies on midwit tropes the bitch who wrote twilight was too smart to use
>>214767915Dave and Dan could have ignored all the bran notes because they do not care about him as a character and done an anime original ending not having to consider all the book characters they cutAs long as they don't go full metal alchemist and end on Daenerys getting transported to a ww2 AU and the real nazis open a portal to westeros and she and Hot pie help defeat them before getting stranded back on the real earth.
Whatever episode introduced the red viper Hugo Chavez or whoever the fuck his stupid name is. He's in everything now
>>214774603Yeah they dumped everybody's weird magical backstory. This guy could see the future or something tripping on lean
What do you think she found west of Westeros? Non-Bran answers only.
>>214774651Spinsterville
Rate my cope: Martin will have an ending similar to TV show's, but the biggest difference is not how Dany will become retarded, the Starks wouldn't so unequivocally win.
Around season 2.
>>214761529when they ran out of source material
>>214761529Season 5
>>214774479>ESL
>>214774779>Rate my copeIf you think gurm will ever shart out another proper asoaif story you are already lost
>>214774868Source material was already shit past s4
>>214774875I think it was this season where they saved all the budget for a big cgi battle and the rest of the season really suffered. This trend continued for the remaining seasons.
>>214761529season 2. replacing Jeyne Westerling with le epic mary sue nurse was the beginning of the end
>>214761529ha ha ha ha Imagine wasting 8 years
>>214774651More ocean
>>214761529when they renamed Asha into Yara because they thought viewers are retarded and would confuse her with Osha
>>214774222Meant for >>214773669
>>214775462that was stupid cause Theon could say like one line being "I know some wilding bitch at Winterfell with a similar name" I feel that would remove confusion for any of the 70 IQ peopleanyone below that might confuse the two though despite it being clearly said
>>214763261>>214763711her grandmother is maggy the frog so Robb was most likely given horny drugs. maybe Jane too.
>>214773702>>214775466kys low effort redditor
>>214765531I prefer Tyrion being Tywin's only trueborn son, more poetic.Also works much better for Jaime and Cersei to be Aerys' children, there are a lot of parallels between them and the Targs. It would give Cersei a legitimate claim later on when she inevitably goes insane and becomes queen.Not into secret targ plotlines but this one actually would add a lot to the story
>>214761529season 5.gigachads will tell you it was on season 2 though
>>214776315gigachads would realsie it was always overrated mystery box slop
>>214761529you could see the fuckin cracks in late season 3 desu.I later learned that was actually around the time when they basically started changing shit drastically from the books. That being said now that ive read the books, it would've gone to shit anyways, martin has fuckin written the story into such a fuckin knot, it would take alot more than 2 books to untie that plot and bring it together without some of that BS shortcuts that the show took, I can see why hes basically given up, he knows this shit is cooked
>>214776557correction, I mean late season 2
>>214765425Cutting out dream sequences really ruined a lot of reveals later on desu. Remember them saying they wouldn’t use “flashbacks” but then did one for Cersei. Jon’s Crypt dreams and Ned’s Fever dream should’ve been in it desu. It probably wouldn’t have taken much time either.
>>214774868That’s GRRMS fault. The last two books don’t move the plot forever at all lol
>>214776664forward*
>>214774651The dothraki river
Season 5 There's also a lot of skippable shitty scenes in the first 4 seasons but it's not even close to the slop we got later on
>>214761650She's not even that hot imo
>>214776861If you're on the summer Isles, or really any island, are you immune to the effects of zombie winter?
>>214761529when a magic spell makes everyone bisexual.
>>214772784Many such cases. Hollywood fags ruin everything. I'll never forgive them for WoT
>>214776861>Austrios>Literally just Australia but smallJesus what a retarded obese hack
>>214777139If Westeros is about he size of South America it's actually bigger than Australia
season 1 already had cracks when they made Robb really stupid by sacrificing 2,000 of his men instead of having Roose Bolton feign a retreat. Also the start of "we are not keeping track of number of troops in the armies".
>>214776220Meant for >>214767713
>>214761529The seeds were there since season 2. Replacing Jeyne Westerling with a feminist OC character, making Brienne into a badass confident defiant feminist, turning Cersei into a tragic figure instead of the smart but deranged villain she is in the books, making Shae the "whore with a heart of gold", being very lazy with how they adapted the House of the Undying scene, etc. So season 2 if you really care about the books. To me it started to feel cheap, self-aware of its success and have that reddit MCU zoomer-pandering vibe in season 4.
>>214765489No they established that she came from a noble family in Volantis, to really rub in her class struggle "rejecting the system and my privilege within it" message. Making her Esossi actually makes it worse, now that I think back to it it really makes no sense and doesn't add anything to her character. They didn't even give her an accent.
OPs question is honest to god THE best question to ask someone and quickly gauge their intelligence, media literacy (in a legitimate way, not the reeeedit way), and ability to identify and understand basic storytelling elements / themesIf someone says it was good until season 8, and that the final season was bad and could be saved with a reshoot then congrats you’re dealing with a frothing at the mouth imbecile who in 2005 would’ve been captivated by NCISThe answer is clearly after season 4.> brb sand snakes> brb nothing coming from Tyrion and Dany joining together> brb Arya stabbed in gut side quest> brb the concept of bringing a dragon beyond the wall > brb the battle of the bastards which is the ultimate idiot filter as the distracted by flashy colors crowd thought it was epic tv when it was predictable and dog shitHonestly too much crap to count
>>214761529season 1 was a bit underfunded, hadn't quite found its aesthetic but was storywise excellent.season 2 was finding its aeshetic footing and while the story was excellent I already had some quiet alarms going off when they began skipping some characters and plotlines from teh books. I began speaking to anyone around me interested in the show about how this could snowball into something horrible down the line.I hate being right.season 3 was still greatseason 4 was really goodseason 5 and beyond are slop with the very rare good or funny moments.
>>21477713975% of that map is a joke, retard
>>214777139You really think this is a real map genius?
Slop or Kino? What is it gonna be, /tv/?
>>214778804considering how the targ show went, definitely slop.
>>214778804depends on how involved martin is, either way it's on the slop spectrum
>>214778804It will be aids
Is he ever going to finish The Winds of Winter?
>>214761529I watched this show for the first time earlier this month and I can difinitely answer this question. It went bad after season 4. for certain, even though it was riddled with feminist propaganda and the entire series is femme-slop
>>214761650she is so goddamn hot jfc
>>214779469he's clearly lost all interest and motivation, so no
Rewatching for the first time since it aired. It doesn’t exactly go to shit in season 5 but the cracks are showing when you know where it is going. It officially jumps the shark in season 6 when Arya survives getting brutally stabbed with no explanation.
>>214761529BaelorYes Le epic ned stark dies, but watch the actual episode, it’s barely held thogether with string and tape, and there’s already multiple insufferable Tyrion and Shae scenes, same with ep 10. No one could see it at the time but D&D’s shit sensibilities were already only display
>>214780536>Rewatchingthere's 0 rewatch value
>>214780536any time I try to rewatch it I end up rolling my eyes at half the scenes in any episode so hard that I worry they're going to pop outlike just for kicks I tried watching one episode in season 2 the other day and it came to baelish and cersei talking and she says she'd heard a story about a boy of modest means who had grown up in a nobleman's house and fell in love with one of his daughters but she loved anotherwhich to me doesn't seem like that big of an attack on baelishhis response, and he's portrayed as having become a self made man because he's clever, is to insinuate he'd heard a rumor it wasn't uncommon for brothers and sisters to become lovers. why? what did he think that would gain him? everything about this show is stupid as fuck and the books aren't much better
>>214778804If it's anything like all the previous shows in this franchise, the first season will be pretty great, and every subsequent season will turn into ridiculous, horribly written fanfiction stuffed full of leftist propaganda.
>>214776861>Kong Hongkek
>>214761529There's good moments all the way up to 7. Season 6 finale removes all the key players in Westeros who would impede Cersei and any ongoing pretense of political "games" and manoeuvring - it all just becomes female empowerment bullshit, tragic writing and inventing reasons Danny wouldn't immediately rape king's landing
>>214761529Season 2. The Gurm had literally no plan beyond the "shocking" death of Ned.
>>214761650this and daenerys and the house of the undying are unforgivable mess-upseven stannis story in S2 was bad but no one talks about it S2 was when I realized it had gone to shit. Anything from S3 onwards is bad fanfic IMHO
>>214761529season 5 and up
>>214781982you'd think king's landing would have dozens of ballista, they could make a load and have them stationed all over. they'd have been expecting a dragon attack for years.also, sophie should have married me, and smirkfu, and probably quite a few others.
>>214765823>>214765839God the writing in these books are cringe, literal capeshit tier. Nobody talks like this, not even in ye olden days. You people like this dreck?! Fucking lmao
>>214781982The only thing more retarded than taking the reach so easily off screen was giving it to fucking Bronn
>>214764815this. littlefinger would have never sent the real sansa to the boltons, not in a million years. I dropped the show for a long time when that episode premiered and only came back for le epic wall battle before dropping it again. never even watched season 8.
>>214782314the american tolkien
>>214761529season 2+ I think
>>214779084He is not involved at allRemember his hotd melties?
