Why do midwits think Deckard is a replicant?
>>214767217They just like to seem smart despite that theory utterly undermining the film's themes and Deckard's character arc.
>>214767217Probably because the film went out of its way to make it a distinct possibility
>>214767217because Gaff knows about the unicornthey infer it is a implanted memory in Deckard's mindwhen it only shows that dreams and aspirations are the same among humansand replicants too
>>214767431What does the unicorn mean then?
>>214767507also, it makes the viewer doubt about human condition through Deckard's ambiguityperfect "show, don't tell"
>>214767217For me it's because Batty beats the absolute shit out of Deckard near the end in such a way that would 100% kill a human and Deckard doesn't seem to be seriously injured afterwards.
>>214767512No idea, ask matpat. but if he's a replicant then the entire worldbuilding falls apart, and at that point you might as well assume every single character is a replicant. There are no other replicants that don't know they are replicants, in the sequel goosling knows he's a replicant, he just gets hungup on his fake memories. Why would they make 1 single replicant who doesn't know? Just to fuck with him?Maybe he started humanizing replicants in his mind so he starts getting schizo thinking he might be one at the end which is why he links the unicorn to his dream.
>>214767512Nothing, it's not in the original movie.
>>214767671>There are no other replicants that don't know they are replicantsRachel didn’t know. It was fairly important
>>214767677When was it added?
>>214767716In a later cut, thus not relevant because that's not what most people watched. Not to mention the licorn version is confusing for nothing.
>>214767773The 1992 director’s cut and 2007 final cut are the most readily available and have been for many years now
>>214767712She seemed kind of isolated though. Like they spawned her for a specific reason. Decker has presumably been a blade runner for a while and has plenty of contacts in the city who have known him for a long time.
>>214767217Some people conflate pointless twists just for the sake of subversion with being clever
>>214767217Because ridley is a retard and a hack for endorsing the theory
I dont get how him being a replicant hurts the themes or anything. He still thinks hes human but has a reason to doubt, no matter if its true or not
>>214767217The older I get, the more I appreciate Ford was a handsome guy. Should have played some more rugged roles. Indiana Jones lies somewhere in the space between boysband and ruggedness
>>214767811It doesn't make them legit nor the most watched (the one aired on tv is the theatrical for example).
>>214767873If he's a rep then it flips his character arc from "I relate more to the replicants because I see something of my own humanity in them" to "I relate more to the replicants, because I literally am one". There's no bridging of the gap between human and replicant, it's just a replicant finding out he's not human, rather than a human finding out replicants are human-like emotionally/spiritually
>>214767507or it's just a fucking coincidence and deckard is driving himself crazy over nothingthis is my headcanon and if you disagree you're wrong
>>214767955I genuinely can’t recall the last time I saw a version aired on tv or shown in cinemas that wasn’t the final cut, so that’s not really a global rule
I will never understand this meme that the 'maybe Deckard himself is a replicant' thing is some stupid nonsense that Ridley cooked up when it's a question prominently raised in the original book in the fake LAPD section
>>214767906>Indiana Jones lies somewhere in the space between boysband and ruggedness
>>214767217Because he is. Midwits can be right about stuff too
>>214767507Does decker say he only ever has dreams about unicorns every night of his life? Did he just happen to have one a few days before receiving the small one? They would have had to implant his unicorn dream to reoccurring every night, or planned it so it happens on that exact night in the film, at which point they are omniscient and the whole premise of replicants going off the reservation falls apart. Much more likely someone has a dream about unicorns at some point in their life and then sees a unicorn trinket and goes "woah how did they know!?"
>>214767818>>214768104Why do you keep calling him Decker?
>>214767873Deckard's journey has him reconect with his own humanity through his experiences with the replicants. He's so devoid of life (and the entire world too), that the ultimate irony for him is seing how the only ones with a crave for life are the androids, leading him to escape his empty existance.
>>214767980>There's no bridging of the gap between human and replicantummm sorry sweetie, seems like you're not caught up with the lore
>>214767217They feel smart for "figuring out" the movie. It's the same kind of people who claim that American psycho was all in his head, or zion was just another layer of the matrix, or the device in the prestige didn't work it was just another part of the ruse and so on. Twin perfect watching type motherfuckers.
>>214768151I'm currently posting from my Huawei smartphone, it autocorrects to that and I'm too lazy to change it
>>214767217Because he is on the director´s and final cut (namely the superior versions). It´s not an interpretation. It´s there. Deckard dreams of the unicorn, Gaff lets him an origami unicorn at his home letting him know he knows his dreams, which means the dream is an implant, which means Deckard is a replicant. Knowing what this means Deckard take Rachel and they both go on the run from the system he just helped protect. Roy also knew, that´s the reason he doesn´t kill him. So yeah, it´s there on the movie. Nothing to interpret about it. Take it up with Ridley if you don´t like it. Speaking of which, if you consider Ridley as an author pondering over the nature of the soul and human nature is one of his recurrent themes so it makes sense for him to make Deckard a replicant.
>>214768070That's not manly in the way Connery or Eastwood were.
>>214767431It even undermines 2049's revelations. I don't think Scott was smart enough to even realize that lol
>>214768062How many of the brainlets on here can read? I reckon not many.
>>214767980Us knowing hes a rep doesnt mean he knows hes a rep, he just has reason to doubt his being human. Doesnt make him seeing his own humanity in the replicants any different, if anything it strengthens it because its evidence they made a replicant that can think like that
>>214768151Nothing of that changes if hes a replicant that thinks he is human though
>>214767217isnt it like crystal clear that replicants have the deer/wolf eye reflection? I feel like every single rep you see in the movie shows that in one scene or another. If he was intended to be one, Scott utterly fucked that detail up so he may as well be human by continuity.
>orgami unicorn is left in his apartment>this 100% confirms Deckard is a replicant!!!Why are retards like this? It was a metaphorical scene, not meant to be taken too literally by autists. Gaff leaves an orgami penguin at the boss's desk, does that mean the boss is a replicant with implanted dreams of penguins?
>>214767217Same reason midwits think he's human.
>>214767677They don't want to hear this. It means they have to acknowledge that Ridley pulled George Lucas modifying his movie to something it wasn't originally. They hate GL for it, but praise Ridley for it
>>214767217Why do dimwits use ``midwit'' as an insult?
>>214767217Midwits like the person who made the film and explicitly made Deckard a replicant?If you really have to ask you might not actually be the genious that you think yoi are.
>>214767980Deckard hates his life and takes it for granted. He's a miserable, depressed alcoholic waiting to die. His experiences with the replicants seeing them value life to damn much reinvigorates his own thirst for life. At the end, he's determined to enjoy his remaining few years and help Rachel enjoy however much time she has as well. That's a good story. Him being a replicant destroys all of that and it bland as fuck. Just a moronic twist for the sake of having a twitst.
>>214767217Because Ridley Scott said so
>>214767512It means Gaff knows Deckard is a replicant. Retards like the OP cant understand symbolism and just seethe at being wrong and make threads like this to make themselves feel better in their stupidity.
>>214768822Uh oh
>>214769020He added this after the fact because he's a giant hack
>>214768931more like ford drops the n word and he had to invent a new cut so people forget he said it. pathetic reallyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omW6hDTDxcs
>>214769107Modern blasphemy laws
>>214767512Gaff knew Deckard's with Sean Young, that's all there is to it
Fact>during the making of bladerunner nowhere in the script was it stated that deckard was a replicant. >nobody involved with the movie back then has so far made any statement that he was always supposed to be a replicant>the only one who claims he was is ridley scott, but he only started saying this around the time if the directors cut. So there are two options, deckard was always a replicant but ridley scott never wrote it down, never told anybody and kept it to himself during the shooting of the first movie, or the more likely scenario, years later, around the time of the directors cut he decided on his own that deckard should be a replicant.
Eh. The question is more interesting than the answer really.
>>214769020That was added in the directors cut.
Question to "Deckard is a human" midwits: Why do you need him to be human?
>>214769146It is never said in the script for The Empire Strikes Back that Darth Vader is Luke's father.Your point is meaningless.
>>214769177We dont "need" him to be human, we just want to point out deckard was retconned by ridley scott later on to be a replicant. And i personally feel it takes away from roy's final speech on the roof. >>214769216Retard.
I actually love the theatrical cut with the noire style narration even though I mostly watch the director's cut. What are your favorite versions?
Roy was more human than the midwits who think that it matters what Deckard is.
>>214769177>>214769216>>214769283Samefag bait.
>>214767217>maybe the replicants were the real humans all along
>>214769146He removed all scenes that blatantly showed who the characters really were. Deckard and Holden had been friends for a really long time. They had been discovering and retiring replicants since the earliest versions, making it obvious that he couldn't be the most latest version a couple decades in advance. They both discuss how scary good the new replicant models are. Gaff is not some mysterious badass. He's a seething, jealous faggot that's mad they brought Deckard the Human out of retirement rather than promoting himself and giving him the job
>>214769020>>214769095´This was actually a mistake. The eye effect was done with practical effects, shining a light to the actors eyes and as Ford was close to Young, his eyes caught the light as well.
>>214769375I never understood this bit of trivia. You're telling me they had everyone line up for a closeup shot and, despite using practical effects and so being able to see the "mistake" on the tape immediately, they didn't bother to film another take and fix it?
>>214769246>We dont "need" him to be human, we just want to point out deckard was retconned by ridley scott later on to be a replicant.No you definitely need him to be human for personal ego reasons. Because the implication that Deckard isn't human would force you to question whether (You) are human. >And i personally feel it takes away from roy's final speech on the roof.Deckard's humanity has nothing to do with the impact of Roy's speech. In fact, Roy, who is overtly, explicitly a replicant, spends the whole film being more of a human than Deckard, and it's only after Roy saves Deckard (in both body and soul) that Deckard snaps out of his programming.
I was very sad when Syd Mead died in 2019. His art was incredible.
>>214767773the theatrical cut flopped. it is not what most people watched.
>>214769521>the theatrical cut floppedso?>it is not what most people watched.even worse
>>214769454They couldn't see it immediatly. The film had to be processed first. So it's entirely possible they didn't catch it or if they did, they thought it didn't matter as most people would not see it.
>>214768951>the man who made Prometheus and Napoleon isn't a midwit
>>214769584... pointing out that the theatrical cut flopped is a direct refutation to the statement it is what "most people watched," ESL-kun
>>214769599nope
>>214768951The writer said Deckard is not a replicant.
>NOOO YOU'RE ENJOYING THE MOVIE THE WRONG WAY! STOP INTEPRETING AMBIGOUS THINGS THE WAY THE DIRECTOR DIDN'T INTEND!
>>214769611yup.
>>214769628you are not fooling anyone
the point of the franchise is the only thing that distinguishes replicants and humans is replicants have a microscopic barcode somewhere on them
>>214769620It's not ambiguous at all.
>>214769644No, you.
>>214767677it was filmed for the theatrical release but cut out because the studio was run by retards who thought the film needed an explicitly happy ending and test audiences were confused on account of being retardedthe final cut is the vision ridley intended to bring to the screen in 1982>>214768151this, it's is literally the theme of the book and the movie and so many of you midwits don't get it>>214768004>it's a coincidencei've seen this cope many times before, and it never works out. either admit deckard is a replicant or kys.
>>214768213>Roy also knew, that´s the reason he doesn´t kill him.He didn't do it because he wanted his last act on Earth to be one of mercy against his persecutor. In that he proved to be more human than Deckard.
If Deckard was a replicant, why was that never brought up in 2049? Wouldnt Jared Leto's character know Deckard was made by Tyrell, if he was able to make a copy of Rachel?
>>214769667reddit disagrees
>>214769732Because it's not canon and also utter shit.
>>214767217its based on a small part of the book.A replicant says to deckard "how do you know you're not one yourself" to try and confuse declared so he can escape.It does cinfuse him for a short while but then snaps out of it.Then spastics say "oi wot if he really was a replicant" and Scott going full retard saying he was, and it stuck ever since.
>>214767217probably because he spends the entire movie getting the shit beat out of him by replicants and somehow doesn't die.
>>214769752the "replicant" police station was a pretty big part of the book though
>>214768213>Roy also knew, that´s the reason he doesn´t kill him.There is zero reason for Roy to know that.
>>214769498>Deckard's humanity has nothing to do with the impact of Roy's speech.It literally shows Roy has developed empathy which is something that shouldn't happen and Roy wants someone to remember him which wouldn't happen if Deckard is a replicant dying soon aftetwards. Jesus fuck you people are too fucking retarded to even talk with.
>>214768907Fucking this lol.
>>214769825*talk to
>>214767217Why do midwits constantly use the word midwit?
>>2147697322049 is canon to the theatrical cut, not any of the alternative editions. the tc of br ends with deckard and rachel driving out into the countryside, which is where they find her remains in 2049.>>214769825>wouldn't happen if Deckard is a replicant dying soon aftetwardsunless deckard is another custom model that's able to age naturally like the nexus-8 line that wallace produces
>>214769825anon you understand the replicant lifespan is engineered on a model by model basis, right? it was initially a stopgap to have replicants expire before they could start questioning their existence and "rebel." But giving a replicant a shorter lifespan means it will be worked harder to maximize the value of the few years it has, meaning it will rebel sooner, etc etc. memory implants extend the useful lifespan of a replicant.
>>214767507>dude let's make a replicant that hunts other replicants>but make him weak and an alcoholic for some reason>and needs to be constantly saved by other replicants>and then just let him go after when he goes rogue
its just a coincidence. i was listening to the song im blue dabadeeba once. and as soon as the singer said blue corvette, i was driving past one. i think thats the only time i saw a blue corvette but the driver of that corvette could listen to the same lyrics and he thinks nothing of being in a blue corvette.
>>214769508Both David Bowie and David Lynch dying really effected me. The former was weird because I wasn't really into Bowie but his death really resonated with me. Syd Mead was straight up supernatural. I'd never heard of the guy. Had been reading about psychic phenomenon. Got into Gundam on a whim, started with the first Turn A Gundam movie. Turned out Syd Mead designed a ton of the mecha and mechanical designs in Turn A Gundam. So I went down the rabbit hole of finding out about Syd Mead's art and his influence on sci-fi. A day later he died. Had the distinct thought/impression that Syd Mead wanted to be remembered and he had "cried out" psychically, which I received as an impulse to watch Turn A Gundam. Obviously this is very debatable, I had been reading about psychic phenomenon and combined with the coincidence of watching Turn A Gundam, learning about Syd Mead, and then his death the following day - these circumstances led me to be biased towards interpreting the events as a psychic phenomenon.But I cannot shake the feeling that he wanted to be known.
>>214767712>Rachel didn’t know. It was fairly importantThat doesn't count because it destroys the argument.
>>214769825>It literally shows Roy has developed empathy which is something that shouldn't happenOk, so why does Roy having developed empathy (which he had from the start btw) necessitate Deckard being human?
if you can drink straight hard alcohol with a split lip, to the point where blood is flowing back in your glass, without even flinching, you're not human
>>214770165it doesn't, anon is just retarded and thinks that deckard being a replicant somehow undermines the message that the future is so bleak and dystopian from technological advances that people don't feel alive anymore to the point that a machine bred for a single purpose feels a higher calling in life and tries to make the best of the short time it hasin fact deckard being a replicant only enhances this message, it's symbolic of him realizing he only has a limited amount of time on this earth and he needs to make the best of it rather than slowly dying in a technological hellhole
